Bachmann's Best Shunter? Class 08 | Unboxing & Review

[@scot913]

The locomotive was then seen chasing Jeremy Clarkson down the great central railway to near Leicester

[@User-3O3]

Some poo's come out!

[@Veneno2911]

@@User-3O3 lol

[@Veneno2911]

Shouting power! Or the speed or both

[@mynameisjeff8301]

I realized that too

[@williambabcoke248]

Who else wants hornby to make TGV 12?

[@skylershummingbird1667]

From the perspective of an American, the detail level and paint level are amazing for an older model (coming from a person who's never experienced a 1:1 shunter)

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah you're right - I was really impressed with this! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@davidantoniocamposbarros7528]

"The engines were glad when a visitor came" *smooth and devious music intensefies*

[@SamsTrains]

haha!! xD

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[@alvinporter1283]

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[@patrickluka8513]

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[@patrickluka8513]

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[@kevinrussell2718]

I spotted the odd one out - a Sentinel 4DH (4-wheeled industrial diesel shunter). I can also tell you what the livery is: Crossley Evans Scrap Metal Processors of Shipley, West Yorkshire (I have one, along with a short rake of Bachmann POA/SSAs, which is the type of wagon most commonly seen servicing Crossley Evans - I also happen to live in the area).

[@SamsTrains]

Ahh double points there then - thanks for playing! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@FerroequinologistofColorado]

I love the class 08 it’s one of my favorite BR shunter engines

[@Veneno2911]

Mine to but not in the red

[@IronHorseRailways]

Have to agree, also love the class 20 as to my eye they look like a longer version of the 08

[@FerroequinologistofColorado]

North-End Sidings - Model Railway I agree and I think that the class 20 locomotive was designed as a mainline version of the class 08. Hence the longer frame for a bigger more powerful engine. At least I think that’s why the class 20 looks like a longer class 08

[@ArmedForcesVideos7]

Runaway Train Productions Mine aswell

[@eartlcraft]

Runaway Train Productions same here :D

[@lewiscarty5517]

My Grandma had just died yesterday, at the time of watching this, but this video has made me happy, because I love the Diesel Class 08, I think it is my favourite Diesel engine, out of all of them. I saw one Class 08 in the Serco livery at Derby once, and I have seen a Class 08 in British Aeronautics livery at Leicester once.

[@SamsTrains]

I'm so sorry to hear about your Grandma Lewis, I hope you and your family are doing okay my friend. Thanks so much for checking out the video, Take care, Sam :)

[@bollinvalleyrailway]

Hello Sam great review as always, one thing that i would like to address in most of your reviews is the composition of mechanisms. You seem to make your bench mark as a modern Hornby chassis with die-cast and brass bearings. This is fine but it effects the price of a model. A single die-cast chassis block with the bearing surface integrated is fine the weight of the locomotive is not enough to cause wear on the axles . If the bearing surface is square this actually reduces the surface area on the axle reducing the load on the motor and saves money when producing the mechanism. Yes its not as good as separate brass bearings but for even up to 0 gauge it will not cause excessive wear to the axles. Its just a different way of doing things. Yes plastic chassis models are different as well but as we have seen they do still last as long in this scale. Also the use of die-cast instead of plastic offers no quality improvement as both are formed by injection moulds so its the quality of the mould is what determines the result. I think it is used to increase the adhesive weight of a model without compromising the room inside the model for DCC chips and sound, which is required these days. Just hoping this may alter your views on bachmann mechanism in future. yours Patrick

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks for this Patrick! You're right it does effect the price, but given that Bachmann's models usually cost MUCH more than Hornby's, I see no reason why they should fit such poor quality mechanisms. I find axles without proper bearings are filthy each time I come to service them - suggesting that they are indeed wearing. I have found that square bearings produce much more friction too, particularly on larger wheelsets, which leads to more motor strain; a possible reason why I've seen so many Bachmann motor failures! I should point out that all of Bachmann's recent releases have been fitted with brass bearings - which suggests that they too see the merits of them. Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@Kiefer_raptor_shark]

Can confirm Bachmann have updated their class 08, bought a new one the other day and the pickups are on the back of the wheels so easy to clean and the hand rails and steps are fitted, still has the same motor and gearing but mine is fantastic, lovely crawler and can haul allot, got it hooked up to 3 Oxford rail tank carriers at the moment and that’s a heavy train load

[@filipthetrainguy4723]

Me: That's a amazing model! Sam: To clean the pickups you need to take the loco apart Me: So i need to redo the pickups to run it without problems...

[@SamsTrains]

haha yep - it's a nuisance! ;D

[@Bender13]

I was thinking the same thing. if this was a regular runner on my system I would re route the pickups to the inside of the wheels.

[@brianartillery]

I love this class of engine for a couple of reasons: John T. Kenney's illustrations in 'Duck And The Diesel', by the Rev. W. Awdrey - Kenney actually made a machine look completely evil; and secondly, my first model railway engine was a 'Triang' class 08 shunter. Worked beautifully for about three years, until dropped down the stairs by my kid brother. It didn't get up from that, sadly. That is a lovely model, but I've never seen one approaching that level of cleanliness before. They used to work at my local docks - and those were, to an engine, hanging. One, pushing a line of bogie bolsters, showed some people why it's a bad idea not to ask if a railway track is disused, before parking your car on hardstanding with rails running through it. A siding ran into the yard where my late father worked. His company had demolished some old oil storage tanks, and were waiting for the train to remove a load of old pipework. My dad was in his office, and was startled to see three cars sliding sideways into the yard. They were pushed there by the first wagon. The shunter was about 100 yards down the track, and could not see the cars on the track, as there was a shed obscuring his view. The road was blocked by a flag man, but you don't expect muppets to park on a railway track, on hardstanding, out of site. But they did. And paid for it. Shouldn't laugh. 😆😆😆😆😆

[@SamsTrains]

Ahh fantastic Brian - thanks a lot for sharing this!! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@SueBobChicVid]

I love the looks of this one. it really makes the version in the digital train set look like a toy. I really like your content. Keep up the great work.

[@filipthetrainguy4723]

Yep XD

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah me too - it blows the older ones out of the water doesn't it?! ;D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@lukeslocomotives]

Sam, I got a hornby railways one for £90 and holy crap, she runs good. Massive flywheel, 5 pole motor, painted cab, and the other day she assembled a train of 15 coaches in the shunting yard and dragged it uphill to the station where my 80s king class (iv told you about her before) was waiting and if my calculations are correct, that hill would be a 1 in 32 in real life, and the 08 walked away with 15 coaches!

[@SamsTrains]

Oh wow! That makes me want to try a Hornby then - great to hear they're good! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@iceeblueburst03]

I’ll give this Bachmann Class 08 a solid “B” once again. 🙂

[@SamsTrains]

Good choice there mate! :D

[@Simon-Davis]

I own models from both Bachmann and Hornbys stable of 08s, I reckon its 6 of one, half a dozen of the other. The Bachmann has the much better mechanism after they upgraded it somewhat around 12-15 years ago, but the Hornby one has a vastly superior detailed look to it. I prefer operating the Bachmann 08 but to look at the Hornby one is eye candy and it runs well enough.

[@SamsTrains]

Ahh fantastic!! I will have to try a Hornby so I can compare them properly! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@germantanker131johnny2]

It was funny when I saw this pop up on my notifications. I was literally watching a story about Diesel from Thomas and Friends, about about an hour ago.

[@SamsTrains]

Ooh awesome! Hope you enjoy this! :D Cheers, Sam :)

[@frostboy1263]

Sam'sTrains Oh Hey How Are You Doing, I Really Enjoy Your Unboxing/Review Videos, Especially The Thomas And Friends Versions Since I Love The Show, Well That Is Until Season 16. I Also Love The Unboxing/Reviews Of The Real Basis Ones Too Bachmann And Hornby. As For Bachmann And Hornby Thomas Characters, I Prefer Bachmann By A Large Amount But Hornby Looks Better When It Comes To Being Realistic, Anyway Keep Up The Good Work As Always.

[@andosrailway2369]

I always find Bachmann makes the best 60s diesels especially like their 25s, 45s and their 08s. I have a class 40 in br green by them and it’s wonderful engine and my favourite to.

[@SamsTrains]

Ahh is that so?? I'll have to try more of their 60s diesels then! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@MSR_Studios]

"Coughs and sneezles, spread dieseils" -Bill and Ben

[@SamsTrains]

haha!! xD

[@charliepage1927]

I owned a Bachmann 08! It was converted to DCC and it was a fantastic runner! Cleaning those brushes wasn't too much of a hardship once you know about it. I am torn between the Hornby and Bachmann 08. The rodding on the hornby one seem VERY thin. I think bachmann have put bearings on newer models. Amazing pulling power and control on DCC is absolutely fantastic!

[@SamsTrains]

Great to hear that Charlie, they are superb runners! Yes it's easy enough, but time consuming to have to dismantle the model so completely each time! I'll have to check the Hornby ones - they sound interesting! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@mytinplaterailway]

'We' have three of these at the local Heritage line I volunteer on. They are especially useful for pulling Steamers out of the sheds. The surprising detail I found when first clambering onto one was the cab doors. Wooden, with a panel of glass and old fashioned door knobs. Just like the doors on the station or signal box.

[@SamsTrains]

Ahh fantastic - and I never knew that about the doors - very awesome!! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@melvyncox3361]

Looks really nice.Can't believe it's a 20 year old model!Great performance,shame about the pick ups and bearings,but well worth £100.Liked the bull behind the Queen Mary at the end! May be well worth reviewing the Hornby version and see how they compare. Top review again Sam😎👍!

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks mate - I can't believe it either - crazy! Definitely - I'm looking out for a Hornby one! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@anotherdaveinparadise7671]

Had the opportunity to drive an class 08 at the Midland Railway, amazing experience and you cant beat having a shunter in your model collection, always a highlight in my dads great memories Great bud as ever Sam All best Dave

[@SamsTrains]

Ahh fantastic to hear that Dave - lucky you!! :O Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@arbiterofmtringo2345]

I will admit the level of detail is very impressive! This 08 is most certainly a huge step up from the triang ones! I might consider getting one! I hope you are well!

[@SamsTrains]

I thought it was too, particularly for the age!! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@CarminesRCTipsandTricks]

Surprisingly Sam, 20 years old isn't as old as you might think! Model Railroading went through a "Second Renaissance", around 1998... Before then, only KATO and a select few others, had fine scale details included. Then, around 1998, Athearn Trains entered the high end Market with their Genesis Line, Atlas with their Premier Line, Bachmann Spectrum and a few others. These had precision 5 pole Motors, Flywheels and incredible fine details. Including fine Wire Grabirons! .... Before that, nearly everything had molded on Grabirons - even KATO. You had to buy $500++ Brass Locomotives to get the level of detail that this period now had!!! So yes, your little 08 was definitely typical for the time. 😉 Although that LOW Gearing, made yours absolutely superb!! Here in the States, Bachmann Spectrum released an American 2-8-0 Consolidation in 2002, that even today is considered a fine Locomotive! Even if today's Motors and Running Gear are superior. (Yet even today, Bachmann STILL produces that HORRIBLE 2-6-2 Prairie!! Unchanged.)😖 So yeah Mate, you've got a fine little Loco there! 👍👍 Carmine ✈🚂🚙

[@brainlessspudlogic4875]

mmm, by 1998 the German company Brawa were making super fine detail stuff in China. I've got a 22-year-old BR216 loco by them with metal body, NEM coupling, and DCC. Fleischmann stuff made in Germany has always been super detailed. Roco in Austria and metal-bodied Marklin -Trix had metal separately fitted parts long before that era...The Osterthun dot com website is a good source of Ho detail photography

[@CarminesRCTipsandTricks]

@@brainlessspudlogic4875 I purposely excluded German/Austrian Models... We KNOW they're built to a very high standard! The "3 Rail" AC Märklin Trains, I've always been fascinated with. Märklin Mini-Z is mindblowing! I've built Heljan, Fleishman and several other FINE German HO Scale Structures, that were superb. The reason I didn't bring them up, they're all fairly centralized... Central European Models exclusively. With the possible exception of Busch, which makes UK and US Vehicle Models. Lenz might have marketed the first practical DCC Systems... But Digitrax and NCE perfected them, and created intuitive, user-friendly Systems. However, nowadays, all DCC Companies (EXCEPT Lionel) work together like no other part of Model Railroading. They made sure that all their DCC Systems and Decoders (Chips), are forward and backward compatible with each other's Equipment!!

[@SamsTrains]

It sounds like Kato and other European models were way ahead of us in the UK then - for 2001, this was way ahead of other British models at the time! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@timbervalleyproductions]

I recently got one of these in freightliner orange and it's stunning!

[@theowenw06]

Great Video!!! I have driven a Class 08 on the Dartmoor Railway which is now sadly fallen into administration but it is quite nice seeing a model form of a class of loco that is close to me!

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks mate - ahh sorry to hear about that - is that so?! :( Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@GothicSteamEngine96]

Very nice model Sam! You are correct about the whistle as well. The 08s had whistles when they were introduced, same as the class 11s, 12s and the unusual class 13s. I'll be honest when I started volunteering on the Mid Hants Railway in 2010, I thought a diesel with a whistle was a bit odd, but you end up accepting it when you see how odd a class 11 looks with a traditional horn. In my opinion. :P

[@SamsTrains]

Ahh glad I wasn't totally wrong about that, lol! haha yeah - they look very different!! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@benphillips3799]

I've just purchased one of these from Hattons (second-hand) and I am very excited for it to hurry up across the Atlantic now having seen your new review!

[@SamsTrains]

Ahh fantastic - hopefully it serves you well!! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@MikesMovies]

Hi Sam, one of my all time favorite locos, I spend many years working on the real thing and loved them as well. The Bachmann model represented a huge step change in what was available at the time, the mechanism with the 80-1 gears, powerful motor and fly wheel made it, or make it one of the best runners of all time. A simple mod to turn the pickups through 90' so they rub on the back of the flange can be attempted but equally a IPA and cotton bud clean will float off most of the dirt anyway. The Hornby one was basically a copy of the Bachmann but with some significant detail enhancements so it does have the edge. Biggest thing to watch out for on the Bachmann is the original lube can go solid, because the gear reduction is so powerful this can cause damage to the lower gears! All in all a stunner, I have 8 in my collection :) Nice video mate

[@SamsTrains]

I didn't know that Mike - so you can say how accurate these are then! It certainly is a great runner! Good ideas on the pickups - I may look into that! :D Yes the old lube is long gone - I clean it away as a matter of course these days! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@tmcg972]

Thank you for this review. Got a Hornby super duper detailed one a year ago for a similar price, now I'm even more happy I went for this... I suggest you check on roads and rails; they can fit lights and sound to it.

[@SamsTrains]

No problem mate, that sounds awesome - glad to hear that! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@fangliu2763]

Hey Sam,maybe you could review the rivarossi big boy,it’s probably huge and maybe very detailed.😃

[@SamsTrains]

Absolutely - I'd love that for sure! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@Tombola1993]

My favourite diesel shunter. Gotta love the 08s. Such a. iconic and versatile piece of machinery. Astonishing that they’re still working to this day.

[@SamsTrains]

Great to hear that Tomas - absolutely, they're iconic! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@Tombola1993]

Sam'sTrains Yep. This lead to the Railway Series, plus the Thomas and Friends franchise to have multiple 08 characters. That’s how I knew about them in the first place.

[@Sunglass_Man]

The class 08 has always had a special place in my heart. It’s such a fascinating locomotive and is a very iconic train

[@alancarpenter2070]

Hi Sam, the "08" diesel shunter, as it's name implies, was designed for shunting duties and was geared to suit that job. It was to replace the aging steam shunters which needed a lot of preparation for duties and had to return to the shed periodically to replenish it's coat bunker and also water stops, also needing two crew members. The "08s" just needed a full tank of fuel and a driver, turn the key to start it up, and it was ready for a day's work. With only a 350 horse power diesel engine, it was capable of pulling a rake of in excess of 1,000 tons with ease. Some had their gear trains changed to increase it's top speed to 20 - 25 mph for short trip workings. There are some in preservation with their original engines still in use, one on the "Strathspey Railway." Just thought you might be interested. Regards, Alan.

[@SamsTrains]

Many thanks for sharing this info Alan, much appreciated! I really enjoy reading about these! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@plaina3806]

Diesel, Arry & Bert, SPLODGE AKA Splatter & Dodge, Paxton, Sidney and the shunted diesels in The Great Race from Thomas & Friends are based off this type of diesel engine and I can see why this engine is great I love design

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah absolutely - tonnes of engines based on these!! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@daveydidzyboy]

I love the class 08 , they are my favourite Locomotive. I have 14 Bachmann and 2 Hornby high detail ones on my layout. I can confirm that the later Bachmann 08 models that are dcc ready have the pick ups moved to locate on the back of the wheels for better running. The Hornby high detail models are superior in detail, but I find the Bachmann 08 runs better ,especially over points due to having a sprung center axle. Curiously both my hornby high detail 08's are out of action having chucked their wheel conrods !

[@bentullett6068]

I will possibly buy a Bachmann one to see if it is better than my Hornby 08 super detailed version. I get a terrible screeching sound if the loco is ran cab first at a fast pace, but it doesn't effect performance. I have tried lubricating every gear, shaft and moving part of the drive and it seems better but the screeching is still there. I have heard the Bachmann ones are pretty reliable.

[@SamsTrains]

Wow 14?! And great to hear they fixed the pickups - I can whole-heartedly recommend them in that case! I've heard others say that about the Hornby screeching - very strange! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@1maico1]

@@SamsTrains I have mainly Ho Trix models and the axles have bearings but the central wheels often do not. The idea is you get better-running characters if the centre wheels are sprung and floating in the semi-circular metal chassis cutouts. The axles that are directly driven always have bearings.

[@maiyo8518]

That piece on the cab that looks like a steam engine whistle is actually a whistle! And I saw videos of the whistle blowing on the diesel!

[@rydermike33]

A real beauty for a twenty year old model. I do like the 08s. Very nice, thank you Sam.

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks Mike - glad to hear that! :D

[@JPoulAndersson]

Nice loco Sam. I'm a total steam guy as well but do really like the "Gronks".. I think it's the fact that they possess coupling rods reminiscent of the steam era or so. Thanks, Joachim

[@SamsTrains]

Thank you! Great to hear that - they're awesome aren't they?! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@louisbuscarino7330]

Sam your videos are great and for me they have become an oasis from the problems occurring in my country these days between the violence and the virus it is so great to tune into one of your videos and leave the days goings ons . Thanks Sam for all your hard work GOD bless you.

[@SamsTrains]

That's lovely to hear Louis, thanks so much for the kind words. I hope you're doing okay my friend! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@teescottageguyproductions]

I have that 08 on Train Simulator 2020. I got it with the settle and Carlisle pack. The model is so realistic I’m so impressed.

[@SamsTrains]

Ooh fantastic - are they fun to drive?! :D

[@teescottageguyproductions]

They are very fun to drive

[@HarryC_640]

Great video Sam! I absolutely would love to see the Hornby 08 and find out how well it stacks up against the Bachmann. I agree with you that even as a steam man it is hard to not to like the 08’s! Also that was some train it was pulling! When you were talking the wagons just kept coming!! I didn’t think it was ever going to stop!

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks a lot Harry - me too - I'll look out for one! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@highbrookendmodelrailway]

Nice review, looks like a cracking model. What a lovely Shunter - I'll put that on my list of things to buy!

[@SamsTrains]

Thank you! I can highly recommend this for the right price! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@adamrushton1740]

I can highly recommend the Super detailed Hornby class 08, the product code that I would recommend the most is R3433. (08822)

[@SamsTrains]

I've heard how good those are - thanks a lot for the tip! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@robertwilloughby8050]

Interesting fact time, from me - we also made 08 style shunters for Nederlands Spoorwagen, that usually ran radiator first, according to NS's operating manual.

[@SamsTrains]

Ooh that's very cool - thanks for sharing! :D

[@kevinrussell2718]

I have a Hornby Class 09 (similar to an 08, but with a 400hp engine instead of 350hp - easily identified by them being fitted with waist-level jumper cables, for shunting Southern Region EMUs, as the entire class was allocated to the Southern Region during their heyday). As if to add to the confusion, several Class 08s were later converted to Class 09/1 or 09/2! For me, the Hornby model just edges it, as it has functioning lights, which my Bachmann 08 (08021 - Ref 32-115A from 2013) does not have.

[@SamsTrains]

Very cool Kevin, thanks for sharing - I'll have to look out for one of those! Particularly the hornby ones. Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@a.z.pantera5577]

You know, when I watched Thomas and Friends, I never understood why there were so many 08s on Sodor -Diesel, Arry and Bert, Paxton, etc- but then I learned how numerous they were in real life and now I cant really complain haha

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah you're right - there are tonnes of 08s in Thomas! :O Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@petersmith4455]

hi sam, yes the bachmann 08 is my favourite as i think its better built than the hornby one, ie the hornby one is a bit fragile. i have 2, bachmann 08s one in br blue and the other one BASARA. in army blue. looking forward to the black one coming out. of course i still have a triang 08 to remind me of the early 60s. when i was a child,

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks for that Peter - I can see the Hornby being quite fragile! I'll have to try one some time! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@SgtThurston6738]

2001!? that engine is the same age as me! Actually surprised I haven't bought one yet, my custom painted class 06 has been doing all the shunting lol. Great video btw :)

[@SamsTrains]

Wow! That's crazy! I can highly recommend it! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@SgtThurston6738]

@@SamsTrains Indeed I shall Be picking one up hopefully when I get paid!

[@finmiller6075]

Love a good 08 shunter! They are just so reliable in real life and in modle form too! You can't go wrong! Good video Keep up the work🙌

[@SamsTrains]

Me too Squiddy, they're awesome aren't they?! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@vijeolook]

The very similar class 11 which was the forerunner to the class 08 was also exported to the Netherlands and Australia. In the Netherlands, as the class 600/700, it was the main shunting loco for nearly 50 years. A small number of the Dutch loco's have come back to the UK after retirement in NL. If you really like real 08's then you can rent one from Middle Peak Railways. (I've no connection with them, just find it interesting.) Roco used to make an H0 scale model of the Dutch version, would be interesting to see how it compares with the Bachmann/Hornby offerings.

[@SamsTrains]

Ahh very interesting - many thanks for sharing this! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@johnd8892]

Looks like a link may have upset KZbin so posting again without it : Good point about the class 11. So many say 08, but the 11 just before the 08 and smaller wheels. Australian Victorian Railways F class version on a rare local passenger tour a few years ago with steam on the other end : kzbin.info/www/bejne/parMhKJ5oZuHnbM In the second red and gold shunting livery from circa 1955 to 1965. Then Blue and Gold until withdrawn around 1987. Does not have its usual shunters steps for shunters to stand on with a barrier to protect them from the coupling rods. More info : at the problem link Was looking at the HO Roco VR blue and Gold version a year or so ago, but a bit dear and with traction tyres and mainly Roco 1980s mechanism design.

[@andrewdking]

Hi Sam. Now I've seen you have also just reviewed the Dapol 0-gauge one, you really do need to review the Hornby version. I've got one, well it was a Christmas present to my son circa 2006. I can't believe how much prices have risen as it cost me about £44 from the now defunct model shop in Guernsey (no VAT until the Royal Mail wised up). We were amazed at the detail and quality, which is much better than the Bachmann equivalent IMO. It is also geared to a realistic top speed, so the crawl is absolutely amazing.

[@SamsTrains]

I'm working on it - the prices are silly though aren't they? If not for those, I'd probably have done it already! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@user-ck6qt7ld5j]

If your looking for a dapol O gauge class 08, dapol (on their website) have a package with the class 08, and the collector club membership. This is £9.50 cheaper than Rails of Sheffield, and £25 cheaper than hattons, and includes the collector club membership for 1 year.

[@SamsTrains]

Wow! That's a great deal - thanks a lot for letting me know! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@billbenproduction0164]

This diesel shunter is very detailed I got it in the mixed traffic pack, with the 54XX it’s amazing mate. :D

[@SamsTrains]

I agree mate - ooh that sounds awesome too!! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@billbenproduction0164]

:D ur the one who inspires me to buy these model trains

[@thomasholmes7716]

The class 08 is my favourite shunter. I am getting the bachmann freightliner powerhaul class 08 soon.

[@SamsTrains]

Great to hear that - sounds awesome to me! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@iceeblueburst03]

Nice review on the Bachmann Class 08! I remember you showed this locomotive in a couple of your videos, especially the Thomas & Friends characters in real life video where this 08 Diesel Shunter locomotive is based on Devious Diesel, Arry, Bert, Paxton, Sydney, and those Mainland Diesel Shunters, they all share this basis. Overall, this locomotive looks pretty good in terms of livery and detail, the mechanism is not the best, but overall this locomotive is still pretty good! Nice review on it Sam! 😃👍

[@SamsTrains]

Ahh that's right yes it was in that video! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@nathanantwhistle3869]

Well Sam here are some of my scores for others. Patriot 8.9/10 Russian 3.7/10 Hornby Adams radial 9.6/10 2020 Princess Royal 9.9/10 Centenary Smokey joe 8.6/10 Silverlink 8.9/10 14xx 6/10 Black 5 9.4/10 New Stephensons rocket 10/10 Tornado 9.1/10

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks for sharing Nathan - great work! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@davidstrains4910]

Great review Sam it is a nice model I own a blue one with red coupling rods and I got it fairly cheaply but it did need fixing up a bit but now it runs brilliant

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks very much David - ooh that sounds awesome - great to hear it runs so well! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@danielboii]

Big fan from Canada I got a couple of bachmanns motorized trains

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks Daniel! :D

[@danielboii]

@@SamsTrains what is the best bachmann model train because I am gonna add it to my collection

[@williambabcoke248]

Hey sam, quick question: Do you know if Dapol's OO Coaches are any good. Thinking about getting some for around 15 pounds each. Also, before you review the 08 in O Gauge, you should do the 57xx first. It isn't that much more than the Terrier!

[@SamsTrains]

I've never tried any mate - though that does sound like great value! Not sure how well they'll perform though - hopefully a bit better than the OO wagons I've tried! ;D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@williambabcoke248]

@@SamsTrains Well, I bought some, lets see how this goes. Now we just have to wait a month for shipping.

[@PaulSmith-pl7fo]

Hi Sam. What a lovely model. This is exactly what I wanted to find in N Gauge (at a sensible price) but couldn't. I ended up with a special Graham Farish Bachmann Collectors edition in the LMR livery.

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks a lot Paul - ahh sorry to hear that - glad you found one in the end though! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@theretrocrowe]

The Hornby 08 has great features. NEM Couplings, opening cab vent, fully detailed cab, sprung buffers and an open cab window! Mine also has an etched name plate, as I got the Laira Diesel Depot 50 Years version. It has beautiful yellow connecting rods that really stand out!

[@SamsTrains]

Ahh fantastic - I really must try one of those!! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@matthewroe3026]

I have that exact BR shunter just with yellow side rods keep up the good work Sam 😃😃😃😃👍👍

[@SamsTrains]

Oh wow! I bet that looks cool with the yellow rods! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@fyfieldjunction]

I too have a Bachmann 08 from the same batch as yours however mine is BR blue. These ones are not DCC ready however they are very easy to hard wire to DCC if you know what your doing. I’ve hardwired mine as it’s just absolutely fantastic

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks for that mate! And yes you're right - they would be very easy to chip! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@fyfieldjunction]

Sam'sTrains any time Sam 👍. Keep up the good work :)

[@alantoms3263]

Hi Sam, it's a very nice little locomotive which performs very well - nearly as well as the Hornby one - which adds opening roof vent and doors. Hornby one is better, with metal handrails. You should try the internal cab and directional lights conversion - good practice of those modelling skills!! I did it to me Hornby one. Hornby coupling rods are slightly finer / thinner and perhaps susceptible to damage. For rough / general use perhaps the Bachmann wins on this alone. On overall performance, I think you'll find the Hornby one is even better, with it's 5-pole motor with flywheel, nicely geared - didn't compare the weights, but both similar. Hornby one pulling 13 TEA tankers without issue currently. Al.

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks very much Al - I really must try the Hornby, I've heard great things about it! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@WilliamHBaird-eq2hp]

This will be the First British Diesel I will buy! (I live in Canada and Model Canadian Pacific Railway in HO. But I do love the Class 09 Shunter in BR Blue! I will add Kay-Dee couplers and it will shunt in my large Cement industry!

[@SamsTrains]

Ooh amazing - are you going Bachmann or Hornby?! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@WilliamHBaird-eq2hp]

@@SamsTrains Good Question I don't know. It certainly will be interesting to visitors! I want a sound unit and DCC installed.

[@thomasishere9462]

Sam, here's something you should know about my new series, I'm not really going to be using Bachmann Thomas sets, I'm actually going to be using the official Thomas & Friends Trackmaster sets with the Super Stations being the marks of the start, middle, and ending of the layout

[@SamsTrains]

Ooh that sounds pretty awesome - good luck with it, let me know when it's online, and I'll check it out! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@thomasishere9462]

@@SamsTrains You'll know the series' name in the first story in the first season, actually, I'll tell you the name of the series right now, the series' name is Thomas Trackmaster Revolutions and Classic Adventures, it'll use the original music from the original series as I'm building the set for the first season, I have just uploaded the sneak peek at the series, it's just going to be the opening, and I'm going to be using the Bachmann Thomas sets for a separate series featuring the missing story of the series, also in TTRACA Seasons 1-21, I will be the narrator, but for Seasons 22 and onward, Thomas will be the narrator in the episodes, and every engine will have a voice actor/actress voicing the engines, here's a list of engines being voiced: Thomas - Thomas Is Here (Me) Edward Henry Gordon James - James Is Here Percy Toby Duck Donald Douglas Oliver Bill Ben Diesel Lady I'll update the list when I have found the voice actresses/actors for the engines in the series of adventures, crashes, accidents, and more!

[@samuelinfante369]

Compared to Bachmann's shunters here in the USA, this actually something i would consider as a high quality product. Thanks for the review.

[@SamsTrains]

haha absolutely - I'd say this is high quality overall! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@lnerfan4468]

Can you please review one of the modern gronks(08s) from either hornby or Bachmann would like to hear your opinion on them great video by the way

[@SamsTrains]

Definitely! I will look out for one! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@Romin.777]

We had these in service too in the Netherlands 600 series "Hippel" was it's name. I love them. :))

[@SamsTrains]

Ahh so I hear - that's awesome!! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@TATICMOOR]

Yeah, for a 2001 diesel the detailing is excellent and the fantastic pulling power. A second-hand version would cost about £50 if you can get one. The pick ups can be moved to the rear of the wheel set by little bends and a twist on of the pick ups so they slip behind, for the faint hearted. If you have or get the Hornby "Europa" 08 shunter in grey livery as I remember it was released around that time too, to do a fair review of the early 2000s locos.

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah, it's absolutely phenomenal isn't it?! I'd still buy this today, even at £100! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@TATICMOOR]

@@SamsTrains Giving £100 is a good price for a old loco. So okay, I'll sell you one cheaper for £80, LOL.

[@ivovanzon164]

Before Roco came with a real Hippel, it was very common to repaint a Class 08 in Dutch colors. Detail wise it is a good match with the Roco one. For pulling power, someone did haul 30+ 4 axle hoppers with one

[@SamsTrains]

Ooh I didn't know that - thanks for sharing!! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@johnd8892]

Looks like a link in my previous reply may have upset KZbin so posting again without it : Good point about the class 11. So many say 08, but the Dutch and Australian versions were based on the class 11 just before the 08 and with smaller wheels. Australian Victorian Railways F class version delivered in 1951 on a rare local passenger tour a few years ago with steam on the other end : kzbin.info/www/bejne/parMhKJ5oZuHnbM In the second red and gold shunting livery from circa 1955 to 1965. Then Blue and Gold until withdrawn around 1987. Does not have its usual shunters steps for shunters to stand on with a barrier to protect them from the coupling rods. More info : at the problem link of Mark Bau VR Was looking at the HO Roco VR blue and Gold version a year or so ago, but a bit expensive and with traction tyres and mainly Roco 1980s mechanism design.

[@eddyweller4503]

Great review Sam, would love to see the comparison with the hornby o8. Notice you never fit your extra packs, is there a reason? Anyway love the reviews they are thorough and fair. Stay safe see you on the next one Eddy xx

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks a lot Eddy - I'd love to do that too! Usually I just do that to keep them in as-new condition! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@rynodynomyte2755]

Awesome model Sam! These are the world’s most successful shunting engines! So it’s no surprise that so many still exist!

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks a lot Ryno - yeah they have to be don't they?! ABsolutely! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@rynodynomyte2755]

Sam'sTrains your welcome Sam! :)

[@FlyingScott]

The 08s do have (quite underwhelming) whistles, and they also have blind axles which OO models have yet to feature them with, but oh well. For a nearly 20 year old model, they are still lovely. Maybe the O gauge version has the blind axle, cannot wait to find out *cough cough.*

[@SamsTrains]

haha yeah I listened to a video of one yesterday - haha!! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@martinpattison4018]

For years I did not know that 08 Shunters had outside frames. Nice model. Mine are all Hornby early versions. I know a youtube that set his station platforms up to the right height and clearance and checked them with a train of coaches. No problem. He set his 08 Shunter with outside frames around only to see his very nice platforms ripped to pieces along the platform edges by the coupling rods So be warned. Martin. (Thailand)

[@SamsTrains]

Ahh very cool - yes it gives them a very unique look that the old Hornby ones never captures! Blimey, that doesn't sound good! :O Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@rossnation8092]

Hi Sam, On the pick up issue, I have the later (2016 or 2017) plain green release and they do have regular pick ups behind the wheels. Nice video, hope you’re having/had a good weekend. Ross.

[@dommassey1249]

thank you for saying this! i just ordered a new one and was worrying about the pick up issue highlighted in the video

[@SamsTrains]

Hey Ross - that's fantastic news - in that case, I can recommend the recent versions whole-heartedly! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@rossnation8092]

Sam'sTrains I’ve literally just stripped it for an oiling. They’re positioned toward the top of the wheels but rather than picking up on the face that sits on the rail like you’ve described they’re on the backs of the wheels. Ross.

[@rossnation8092]

Dom Massey They’re positioned toward the top of the wheels but rather than picking up on the face that sits on the rail like Sam has described they’re on the backs of the wheels. Without seeing an older one I can’t confirm or deny any difference just states how mine is . Hope that helps. Ross.

[@dommassey1249]

Ross Nation thank you for the information! Are there any bearings on the wheels too?

[@Penguig]

The Farish one is so beautiful for how big it is..

[@SamsTrains]

Ooh really?? I'd love to see one of those! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@lordmarshal3799]

Surprisingly I got one of those in black with early BR Crest for 92 pounds at my local model shop, which is cheaper than my Bachmann Arry and Bert that costs 130 pounds each.

[@SamsTrains]

Blimey that's fantastic - and good point - that just shows how ridiculous the pricing is, haha! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@sambrown6426]

if anyone comes out with a new deltic can you please review it sam? Thanks, and keep up the good work.

[@SamsTrains]

I would love that for sure - I think there is a new one coming soon isn't there?! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@christianmorley6203]

Great review as ever Sam, loved it. The new one seems a tad overpriced especially if it is using the old mechanism which really should be made illegal! I think dropping the price a bit would see them sell out in days.

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks very much Christian - yes I agree, the modern 08s (from both manufacturers actually) seem to be pretty expensive for what they are! I would hope that Bachmann's latest release has been improved.. though I've been proved wrong before! ;D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@prendy1341]

I have to say I'm not big on diesels but the 08 Shunters are definitely an exception!

[@SamsTrains]

haha glad to hear that - I love these too!! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@SqueezeboxOfDelights]

I have a Bachmann split chassis pannier tank engine that is probably the same age as this. I picked it up at a garage sale for £1 about a year ago, and was very impressed with some of the detail - particularly the painted brake lever - but unfortunately the mechanism lets it down. It is very noisy, has exceedingly bad traction despite being fairly heavy, and would only run once I had scraped almost all the oil off the axles. It’s even more of a shame since my next most detailed locomotive is the Hornby WCR pug from the west coast highlander set!

[@SamsTrains]

Ahh very interesting - luckily this has a much better mechanism! Sorry to hear that your Pannier isn't a great runner :( Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@lukeblake7003]

Great Review as always Sam. I am planning to get one of these myself. Your model looks exactly like one i drove on the mid hants railway. The BR Green and Wasp Stripes do look epic on the 08s, the only good livery on that class in my mind.

[@SamsTrains]

Ooh fantastic - that's a great excuse to get one then, haha! ;D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@randytaylor1258]

Lovely little shunter running at scale speed. Un, you could start by attacing the accessories . . .

[@toothpasteater7002]

I’d love to get this in Train simulator 2020. Because I plan on build a giant route with giant shunting yards.

[@SamsTrains]

Ooh me too actually - I'd love to have a go at driving one! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@ianhaynes5898]

I have a later version of this and I always found it to be a very good runner. Top speed seems to be realistic and at its slowest - very slow. Mine came with the handrails but I had to fit the steps. Oh, they must have changed the pickups for the later versions as mine has had no running issues.

[@SamsTrains]

Great to hear that Ian! Yes I hear they've altered the pickup design since mine was made! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@shayleebell9206]

Yes DCC was just beginning, there were really few manufacturers, and it was a bit of work to fit them into the locos but i remember having to order the chips in 2000

[@SamsTrains]

Ahh okay - but presumably the sockets weren't fitted as standard back then? I don't think this has one! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@shayleebell9206]

@@SamsTrains as i say it was not long started so you got the instructions on which wires to cut and splice

[@shayleebell9206]

remember the Hornbys Zero 1 system from the 80s and 90s? but DCC as we know it started around 1993

[@theretrocrowe]

Apologies for so many comments about the Hornby 08, I can't help myself because it is one of my top 3 locos!

[@lukeslocomotives]

Do you have one? Mine is 08865 in EWS Maroon.

[@theretrocrowe]

@@lukeslocomotives Mine is 08644 "Laira Diesel Depot" in BR Blue

[@SamsTrains]

haha that's okay - I'm eager to try one now! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@trmn311]

Yes Sam would love to see the O gauge Dapol model.

[@abrahamzuniga7085]

Can You put a link.

[@SamsTrains]

I will try that I think - they look awesome! :D

[@davidford2169]

I had to run upstairs to see if I had any Bachmann 08,.s....unfortunately I sold them all...but I have 8 hornby 08,s....some with sound which I fitted...not impressed with the sound..but the cab doors are posable....which shows off the interior...so I think personally you now need to do a hornby 08 review.thanks from dave.

[@SamsTrains]

Wow opening cab doors?! I really must try one!! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@GenericGeeza]

I've got a blue class 08 shunter by Bachmann mine runs so well and it had a great crawl speed without being run in, Mine had the same packaging as yours and has a 8 pin DCC decoder but some different detail

[@SamsTrains]

Ooh fantastic to hear that - sounds like yours is a tad newer than mine then! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@GenericGeeza]

@@SamsTrains Only issue is mine has the issue with the pickups as well and now it wont run round my third radius curves

[@user-gt2jh1eb4l]

Just bourght 1 today paided127 with sound

[@Joeben2016]

Hi there joe here it’s been a while and wow you have grown! Love the content keep it up!

[@SamsTrains]

Hey Joe, nice to see you again mate! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@peacheymodels3503]

pickups... do you think running with carpet as your trackbed is exacerbating the issue?!

[@SamsTrains]

It's unrelated - I keep the track perfectly clean. The dirt is carbon produced by the electrical arcing, not fluff! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@FlyingDuckMan360]

So many diesel engines on Thomas The Tank Engine use the model basis of this diesel; Devious Diesel, Iron 'Arry, Iron Bert, Splatter, Dodge, Paxton, Sidney, Ulli, and Fernando.

[@SamsTrains]

You're right - there are tonnes of them!! :O Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@narlord8613]

This shunter was the inspiration for Devious Diesel, & Arry & Bert! Including Paxton!

[@SamsTrains]

Yes you're absolutely right - that's super cool! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@joelightrailway2362]

Excellent review of the Bachmann BR Class 08 shunter Sam 👍👍 For a twenty year old model I find the details of the 08 is okay, but the side rods do not look right as compare to Hornby version as looked correct in my opinion. Buy both the Hornby & Dapol Class 08 as it would be great to have more of these fantastic shunters in both gauges.

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks very much Joe - yeah I thought it was good too - more than okay in fact! I would love to try some other models of these! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@bentullett6068]

I have never had a Bachmann 08 but according to other model railway KZbinrs they are pretty reliable. I have a hornby 08 shunter with the opening cab doors but I have a issue with either its drive or motor as it screeches loudly if run at a high speed.

[@SamsTrains]

Yes they are fairly reliable (while the pickups are clean that is!) - ahh really? I might have to try my own luck with one of those then! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@bentullett6068]

@@SamsTrains i have found out that you have to check the hornby ones are well lubricated as they come with hardly any lubricant or oil new. I have oiled every moving item and it seems a bit better.

[@fulcrumspigot455]

The 08 at 2:14 was allocated to Carlisle Kingmoor depot.

[@SamsTrains]

Ahh brilliant - thanks for sharing!

[@vincebagusauskas278]

The Hornby version it is easier to insert TTS into and a very nice one. Should do a back to back Sam.

[@SamsTrains]

Ahh glad to hear that - I'd love that! :D

[@2010ditta]

Good one Sam. Hard to believe she's 20 yrs old. Nice looking loco and runner.

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks Tim - I struggled to believe it too!! Thanks for watching - Sam :)