Back to Basics Palm Strikes

[@ignitionfrn2223]

9:10 - Palm hook 10:15 - Thumb down variant 10:50 - Chin jab 13:50 - Palm smash 17:50 - Leaded gloves

[@puppetmastercoaching7388]

Used spend time training with bouncers from Birmingham's roughest pub. They love the open handed palm strike from waist level, sucker punch, first blow. It's a real fight stopper, and if you get in legal trouble after "I felt threatened so I slapped him" is a lot more defensible than many other potential first strikes.

[@tonyjepson6035]

Your right, people do get sloppy with there techniques. On the surface, it's a simple motion, but as you've shown, it has plenty of variation !!

[@doka-jx1yz]

Having a copy of Defendu and All In Fighting its interesting to cross reference the two.

[@BradentonSlick]

Thank You! So many people disparage the palm strikes in favor of fists. 1. using the heel of the palm allows forceful blows to areas that have bones near the surface. 2. If you have grappling/throwing skills you can follow the strike smoothly. 3. If bystanders witness the fight they will likely report you as less aggressive to the police since they "did not see fists" from you.

[@BradentonSlick]

Guess I should have watched the whole video before commenting. You pretty much covered it all oops.

[@combativesoberweyer2452]

Hi, great video - and really would like to see a video from you about bareknuckel-training 🤘

[@fredazcrate4362]

Awesome ladd. 👍

[@joshuaalexander7637]

Thanks

[@johnwilkinson5811]

Yes. A few small points to add. The Defendu system has body punches because they don't result in broken hands. Punching a WWII German infantry helmet most certainly would result in broken hands. Broken hands on the battlefield making you a liability not an asset. Open handed strikes can be (are) treated differently to punches by the police and courts in some jurisdictions. Punches often treated as worse. If you are arrested your hands will be photographed and the photos used in evidence against you if your knuckles are covered in bruises. In circumstances where there is any question as to who was involved in whatever incident it makes sense to not be the fool with bruised knuckles when the police are searching for someone to put in the frame.

[@toddellner]

Not just broken hands but horrible infections from getting teeth into the knuckles.

[@TommyMooreww2combatives]

Howdy fella, I’m not really partisan, I like both. Context defines content. And we have to face the reality that very very often, angry humans punch. Regardless of what they’ve trained. I always advise people get as good as they can at both! 🥊👍

[@toddellner]

@@TommyMooreww2combatives And that's why we train - so we can do better than how we do without training

[@johnnemo6509]

@@toddellner Not just hands, on business in Korea I learned to check guys foreheads for tiny scars ..usually came from tooth shards.

[@dementeduncle]

Everyone should train bare knuckle and palm striking....if you don't practice you won't be ready to apply when needed.

[@gmp7458]

Thank you, I have the All in Fighting book it's very helpful to see strikes in action.

[@TommyMooreww2combatives]

Cheers fella, happy training!

[@boggycreekbeast]

Good video. Tyson most likely broke his hand because he was used to gloves and his fists aren't conditioned for bare knuckle. Add to that his punching power and that's a recipe for broken hand bones.

[@TommyMooreww2combatives]

Exactly mate. A sloppy punch can break your hand, or get you a fistful of nasty teeth. And a shit palm strike can get you a broken wrist and a handful of nasty teeth. Moral of the story is, do your best to not be sloppy, but shit happens!

[@boggycreekbeast]

@@TommyMooreww2combatives After the video above I am rethinking everything. Hate to bother you but I had asked you about iron palm bags elsewhere and whether or not you knew a good one I can buy. It was in regards to your Grip and Rip video(you had a leather shot filled bag in that video).

[@TommyMooreww2combatives]

I had mine custom made, but all martial arts stores sell iron palm bags. Then Amazon don’t lead shot 🥊🙏

[@boggycreekbeast]

@@TommyMooreww2combatives Ok. I'll shop around. I just don't want to buy something that will fly apart just when I'm starting to train. Your channel is very helpful.

[@johnnemo6509]

@@boggycreekbeast sand.... sand is your friend ..its cheap, easily available. you can vary the resistance by adding water. its also easy to dispose of in an environmentally friendly way when you are done with it.....My boss's petrol tank for instance.

[@buckarue100]

Another excellent video.

[@shadowmoses5347]

palm strikes work better on the body great example great for internal damage mix them in with punches

[@marcvinyard3050]

Thank you for the fantastic video. A couple of questions: 1.) with palm hooks is okay to keep your elbow down a bit (lower than the wrist) 2.) With your open hand in someone's face, is there much chance of having your fingers bitten off.

[@TommyMooreww2combatives]

Hi fella, with the thumb up version, it’s like a solid slap with the body mechanics of a hook. I prefer the thumb down version where the elbow and wrist are parallel, but see what works for you 🤙. There can be a risk of biting but in reality you’re hitting really hard, gripping and ripping, or hitting again, very quickly. There’s little time for people to reach if you do it ballistically 🥊🙏 good luck and happy training mate

[@marcvinyard3050]

@@TommyMooreww2combatives Thank you! much appreciated

[@johnnemo6509]

@@TommyMooreww2combatives This is why the hand pad drill you show are important. Bob bags and heavy bags tend to stop the palm strike, whereas the hand mitt trains you hit though the target. I've never had someone bite a finger when using palm strikes (as you say contact time is to short if you are following through or striking ballistically), only been bitten in grappling (vertical or ground work). If you do find your fingers is someone's mouth rake them out like you're stripping wall paper.

[@boogboog8097]

Balls and eyes are the main targets, then throat, then knockout if you have the skill. Most people dont want to put the work in to gain knockout skills.

[@TommyMooreww2combatives]

That is very true. There’s a reason Kung Fu means hard work. You only get out what you put in 🙏🥊

[@exempthumanspecimen3403]

If you watch the UFC- and who doesn't? The 2 strikes that always result in a stoppage are Eye Poke, and Groin Kick Even amongst elite athletes these 2 have outsized effect

[@boogboog8097]

@@exempthumanspecimen3403 Yup banned because that's all anyone would do if they were allowed. You can maybe find an online version of Bruce lee Jun Fan Gung FU where most of the book is combining lead hand eye jab with lead kick to the balls.

[@johnnemo6509]

@@exempthumanspecimen3403 read up on Harry Greb (298 pro fights 261 wins) who fought blind in one eye and had impaired vision in the other due to being thumbed in boxing matches....makes you understand why eye pokes are banned ..they can be career ending.....but not for harry it seems. Worth observing his boxing style to see how he adapted to impaired vision.....useful to think about when things can get thrown or sprayed into your eyes.

[@puppetmastercoaching7388]

Balls are a harder target than you might at first think - and don't necessarily represent the knock out blow people think. Eyes, throat, tip of nose.

[@constantinosdroudes2980]

Hey what's your backround buddy? Have fun and thanks for the videos....

[@TommyMooreww2combatives]

Hi mate, boxing, Judo, JKD, MT and lots of combatives and other stuff in between. But my first and long lasting loves are boxing and judo 🙏🥊

[@edi9892]

It's amazing how much the hand and wrist hurt from striking a heavy bag for the first time, especially without gloves... I can hit much harder with palmstrikes and slaps.

[@Jim-Mc]

In Paris a couple years ago I got grabbed (hard) by the arm by some 'string men' going into a tourist spot. 4-5 really big ones. They let me go after I wouldn't pay them. If I'd fought I probably would have seriously hurt one, but gotten literally stomped to death by the rest. So what are your thoughts on multiple assailants?

[@TommyMooreww2combatives]

Well there’s of course being aware, escaping etc. Let’s say those have failed and you have no choice. Try and use an improvised weapon (or a real one of law allows), keep mobile, learn to hit fucking hard and if grappled, grapple out explosively. There’s no easy answer but people that tend to survive group attacks usually attack first, keep attacking, keep moving and get gone or arm up and do the above. Always worth drilling it, sparring it, testing it 🥊❤️

[@peterscottodonnell7290]

Fair bairn is the best

[@fredazcrate4362]

🤔💯👌👍

[@toddellner]

The central part of the hand isn't useless. I nearly lost an eardrum from getting whacked upside the head with the open palm over my ear. It wasn't even intentional like in _All In Fighting_. It was incidental. Being able to "get the job done with the fists" is fine during the fight. So is getting teeth knocked out, fractures you don't notice at the time, stabs that feel like punches but don't slow you down, so on, so forth. The whole point of the exercise is to be able to go home, go to bed that night and get up in as close to good health as possible the next day. Minimizing injuries is part of the program. Broken metacarpals aren't the only problem. When I was in nursing we had a guy come into the hospital with a galloping blood infection from punching someone in the mouth, getting his knuckle cut on a tooth, and acquiring some of the horrible bacteria that live in the human mouth. One guy spent a few seconds unconscious. The other had multiple surgeries, several rounds of IV antibiotics, and a financially crippling US hospital bill. [Be thankful for the NHS, flawed as it is.]

[@TommyMooreww2combatives]

Howdy, my main gripe is people doing piston style palm heels and using the less useful part of the palm (but we’ve all been there). Slaps you can get away with central hand, but I prefer as a rule the hard palm base. But I’m also a confident puncher, for me training both is important. But of course, horses for courses! 🙏🥊

[@toddellner]

@@TommyMooreww2combatives The good stuff is all good. I'm just a little oversensitive to some things that weren't supposed to work after they did and worked very well. I lost my sense of balance and thought someone had set off an explosion next to my head. As the man famously said when he regained consciousness in hospital "It looked like such a little chainsaw!" :) I also got the fear of God put into me about punching people in the mouth after taking care of the guy who got the infection. Changing dressings after a resection of the hand is not for the weak of stomach.

[@johnnemo6509]

Palms/punch doesn't matter if the cat is black or white ..as long as it catches mice. People who favor punching should take a leaf out of the prize fighters book and invest in a good tight pair of gloves (don't mean boxing gloves but good quality dress/driving gloves) to reduce the risk of hand damage and cuts/infections. I agree with Tommy Morrision's comment that 80% of your striking practice should be done with power, this really teaches hand structure, .As a lad I was made to do punching and grabbing drills using wet sand in a bucket, made for thick skin and strong ligaments and tendons. Likewise grabbing throwing with coffee sacks filled with sand later on. The other lost art from "Bare knuckle" and prize fighting is the art of "thumbing". For Palms/ punches wrist strength is also key, fortunately with the advent of the internet and in the present lock down wrists are getting all the workout they need.😂

[@Speed_Racer.]

Wrestler Andre the Giant was the master of the open hand strike. He would open hand strike the face and then karate chop meaty parts of the body like the neck or shoulders. Wrestling is fake but I think that will hurt in real life