I bought a canvas wall tent with my brother for elk camp a few years ago. The warm place to cook and dry out is awesome after being in the field all day. It is not getting packed in but it makes winter camping so much more comfortable and better for longer trips
@BackcountryExposure10 ай бұрын
I think an overlooked aspect for hunting is the ability to hang your wet gear and get it dry. Makes all the difference.
@mobilewintercamp751511 ай бұрын
A hot tent is a lot of work but the benefits of warmth, comfort, cooking surface and dry gear is very pleasing in rough conditions. Yes the trick is to use it for a multi day situation. A base camp for camping, day hiking, snowshoeing , ski touring, split boarding, XC skiing, snowmobiling, fishing or some activity.nice area you are, great stuff. Get a snowmobile 😊❤️🇺🇸❄️☃️🛷🔥⛺️🌄
@Canadian_Craftsman11 ай бұрын
😂 snow sleds are a dying breed like winters with snow ❄️ 😅haha nothing beats a hot tent ⛺️ ✊️🔥✌️💚
@mobilewintercamp751511 ай бұрын
@@Canadian_Craftsman bullshit. I snowmobile every year and hot tent with my sled. Don’t be too quick with that, when the snow disappears and the snowmobiles, so will the cold and hot tents. At that point the last concerns we’ll have is fun and games, it will be survival on a scorched earth. 😊❤️🇺🇸❄️☃️🛷🔥⛺️🌄
@mobilewintercamp751511 ай бұрын
@@Canadian_Craftsman oh and I forgot, Hello 👋 😊
@Canadian_Craftsman11 ай бұрын
@mobilewintercamp7515 heyyy buddy haha yeah it sure has changed in my lifetime scary 😨 ✊️🔥✌️💚
@mobilewintercamp751511 ай бұрын
@@Canadian_Craftsman ya wow in the 70s when I was a little kid we had solid snow for 6 plus weeks on Long Island every year. Now there’s sometimes nothing. The big show is coming all around. Oh well see later 🙃🤡
@5ivebanger11 ай бұрын
I use a pulk sled when I snow camp, and that way I can bring more gear for a 2-3 day trip. Depending on how far I’m going sometimes I even process wood at home and schlep it in the sled. Great video.
@kgwash11 ай бұрын
Fun fact, you can successfully pull a pulk of wood over dirt and some gravel with minimal damage. Of course, it depends on the sled. But my cheap set-up was great.
@JoshuaReidBackpacking11 ай бұрын
Same! A cot makes such a big difference too, Being higher in the tent makes a world of difference with heat.
@samimurtomaki5534Ай бұрын
@@JoshuaReidBackpacking got me thinking that cot with an under quilt must be a winner.
@moosespeak6140Ай бұрын
@JoshuaReidBackpacking thermo fan on top of the stove will do wonders circulating the heat and weighs a lot less than a cot. Not batteries and mine weighs 6 Oz
@danielcollins597811 ай бұрын
Thanks for doing this hot tent video, I need to learn as much as I can how other people do it. Great information
@BackcountryExposure11 ай бұрын
Thank you! Glad it was helpful.
@pyronymph-86811 ай бұрын
Hearing the coyotes was amazing! Thank you for sharing.
@BackcountryExposure11 ай бұрын
Ahh it’s seriously so awesome!
@skibunnie3111 ай бұрын
The winter scenery looked so dreamy out there! I enjoyed your video and seeing someone with a hot tent outside of Ontario, Canada; surprisingly we haven't had cold enough temperatures and dry cold conditions to want to go winter camping until very recently, it's been a rainy start to the season here. Thanks for sharing!
@BackcountryExposure11 ай бұрын
Thank you!!
@kevindavis128111 ай бұрын
I like this analysis. Any kind of camping is a lot of work and the appeal to me (as you pointed out) is that it does keep you busy...In a good way! I found that the more busier you are, the more comforts you add to the experience. This hot tenting thing is definitely on my bucket list. This is coming from someone that only knew cold camping as an option. Cheers!
@billfleetwood518817 күн бұрын
Very informative video. Thanks for sharing.
@davidsugeno532111 ай бұрын
I always enjoy your videos, but this is one of the best and most informative I've seen. Thanks, and keep up the good work.
@BackcountryExposure11 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for the kind words! Means a lot to me.
@jonhughes455011 ай бұрын
I love hot tenting. I recommend a dry wood blade on your saw. I notice you had the green wood blade on. Thumbs up on the video👍
@BackcountryExposure11 ай бұрын
Yeah, it's an all purpose blade, but when it's dead I'll swap it to a different tooth.
@Thundering_Herd11 ай бұрын
I enjoy the work that's part of the getting cozy man.
@jcarn2411 ай бұрын
Perfect description of both the pros and cons. My stove tent is too bulky for backpacking, but helps me get out to dispersed car camping sites in the winter that are normally crowded in the summer months. Lots of work for sure, definitely good to have a buddy or two to divide and conquer all the work it entails.
@BackcountryExposure11 ай бұрын
Hot tenting from the car is a really nice way to do it too.
@bonpecheur456511 ай бұрын
Well that was a good video worth a sub ! I am planning to equiped myself in a hot tent and stove in the future , maybe when I retired . Right now I am doing cold tent camping for 1 to 3 nights as I like to change camp once in a while. I alway's bring my sled for gear , snow can get very deep where I live. As you mention , when cold camping , sleeping time is alway's around 7- 7:30 . I do make a fire around 4 ( already dark ) , and enjoy it until 7 . A hot tent would be nice for the morning or when the weather keeps you inside . Thanks for all the pros and con
@BackcountryExposure11 ай бұрын
A sled is something I'd like to use in the future. Easier to carry all the gear than in a pack. Thanks for hanging out!
@HikingOnАй бұрын
Thanks for the video! Love your story telling style! Preparing for my first hot tent adventure this winter, got a lot of information from your video🤜🤛
@Nordictor7811 ай бұрын
Great realistic video of hot tent camping! Impressive you managed to stuff all that equipment into the deuter 55 😀. When we hot tent we put snow all around the tent skirt to remove any draft, and if the tent handle it, up along the walls for insulation. A light titanium stove doesn't radiate that much heat, there is a reasons why native Americans used teepee. Good old fire pit in the midle is so much better. Silnylon doesn't insulate, it just prevent wind, so what we do is using a big tarp, shaping it and making sure it's possible to have a firepit going, put a mesh net over it so the tarp doesn't get damaged. We make sure the sleep system is overrated for the trip and when it's bedtime we close the tarp, it's more important to get good sleep than constant putting firewood into the stove. This is probably like swearing in church, but to be honest.... Just bring a makita duc101z or similar , it makes wood processing extremely comfy. The pros are it's light weight, quiet, and last long time with a 6 ah battery, cons it's kinda cheating, but is it really? And bring usb heated pads. Put them in your chair, on your body strategically, in your sleeping bag. UNLESS you want to go survival mode camping during winter. Never underestimate the cold, and if it's windy too, you better bring the correct clothing. Just some thoughts from Norway.
@BackcountryExposure11 ай бұрын
Yeah, kind of wild that it all fit in that pack. This tent doesn't have a skirt, but I did pile snow around the edges to reduce the drafting. Thanks for watching!
@UnlikelyHiker11 ай бұрын
Of all the hot tent setups I’ve seen, the one you were using is the most legit imo. Very cool stove and I love the tent insert. It just seems like too much effort for the kind of winter hiking/camping that I do. For an avid outdoor person I’m wicked lazy 😂 Great video as always 👍🏻
@BackcountryExposure11 ай бұрын
ha ha ha! Thanks! I doubt you're as lazy as you think you are. :)
@-humveehoove-610611 ай бұрын
I feel like every tent should be a hot tent. 🙌🙌🙌
@BackcountryExposure11 ай бұрын
Without all the bulk, work and weight. Right? Ha ha
@-humveehoove-610611 ай бұрын
@@BackcountryExposure I got my winter kit pretty dialed in. I got the pomoly stove with the window. For the heat to fill the tent. Hmg windrider with a nortent bivyauk tent tyvek ground sheet and an big windshield insulater on top with thermaresrt xtherm an a custom 0degree quilt for. Hammock gear with the zen bivy sheet, silky big boy saw an a 10 inch machette with 2 liters of water and food to cook plus dehydrated meals I push about 35-40 pounds total.
@-humveehoove-610611 ай бұрын
@@BackcountryExposure also bring a 2900 pot an 1500 pan as my cook kit
@-humveehoove-610611 ай бұрын
What was your total weight by chance I'm consistently changeing to accommodate for lighter weight ?
@BackcountryExposure11 ай бұрын
Sounds like you've got a pretty sweet and dialed system! My pack was almost 50 pounds for this trip. But I was carrying a few things that I wouldn't normally if I wasn't doing some gear testing too. Things like the lantern you saw, a second pillow, and a couple other things. Would have me closer to 45 pounds. :)
@AnotherDayInTheWoods11 ай бұрын
Great vid..! Stay Warm.
@andreasdahl717Ай бұрын
Hi. Cool vid. Why remove the snow in stead i of just compacting it? Works as insulation from the frozen ground. Just dig out a hole for the stakes if thats the consern?
@DadCamps11 ай бұрын
2 questions: What do you keep in that little front pouch? And what in the world do you do to workout? Your ability to breathe while hiking uphill with that heavy pack and talk at the same time is impressive!
@BackcountryExposure11 ай бұрын
That front chest pack is a Kit Bag from Hill People Gear. It allows easy carry of a firearm, and I’ve got some small gear in the front zipper pocket, like a small flashlight, chapstick, lighter, etc. Honestly I don’t really work out. 😬 I should. But I do hike a lot and where I live, basically all the trails are uphill.
@azclaimjumper16 күн бұрын
Attaching the inner tent to the outer tent with cold bare hands in cold, freezing temperature weather is not something I'd want to deal with. Excellent point, about burning in the memory of the roll up stove pipe.B4 taking the stove out into the field for an overnight adventure. The design/engineering of that Winnerwell Titanium stove is attractive when compared to older heavier & poorly designed older stoves. Carbon Monoxide detector - excellent that you emphasized its importance. 9ºF is c-o-l-d.COLD. Fortunately there doesn't appear to be any strong gusty winds which would have been even colder when you factor in "wind chill". You can NEVER have too much processed firewood. Your chest pack - Brand? What were you carrying it in? HOT tenting simply has no appeal for lil ole MEeee. Warm Regards from Reno, Nevada.
@HikingFriends11 ай бұрын
Hot tenting looks so comfy! :D Do you think it's a good idea to try it with a tent designed for 8 people?
@mizii4123211 ай бұрын
Wow 8 people?
@BackcountryExposure11 ай бұрын
I don't know that you'd be able to find a tent large enough to fit 8 people that you'd carry in a backpack. You'd be looking at a canvas tent with a much larger stove. An outfitter style tent.
@eliass33811 ай бұрын
You guys are crazy, no way you can bring a tent for 8 people on a hike
@Canadian_Craftsman11 ай бұрын
@BackcountryExposure actually Seek outside makes HUGE ultralight hottent tipis but expensive!!
@PierreFarrugia11 ай бұрын
Beautiful video 👍 ❤️🇲🇹
@BackcountryExposure11 ай бұрын
Thank you very much!
@crankskinatra603811 ай бұрын
I will be hot tent camping for the first time next weekend thanks for this
@BackcountryExposure11 ай бұрын
Hope you enjoy it!
@taragatorade11 ай бұрын
I loved this video. I will never backpack in freezing temps, but I loved this video.
@BackcountryExposure11 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@JarradShaw11 ай бұрын
Devin, you liked the exped pad even though it is vertical baffles. I understand the r-value, but it was really that comfy?
@BackcountryExposure11 ай бұрын
There’s something about the 20D polyester fabric they’re using on the pad that’s got more stretch to it than other EXPED pads I’ve used. It’s genuinely comfortable. I’ll speak to that when I make my full review of the pad. I’ve been surprised at how good it’s been.
@moosespeak61404 ай бұрын
Your biggest problem I see where you are absolutely chilling your internal tent Temps is no snow skirts. There's no way I'd have a hot tent without snow skirts. You trap way more heat and always remember the back of your stove needs to been.a 1/8 of an inch higher than the door opening for proper draw for your flu pipe
@BlindMonk935 ай бұрын
Thanks for making this, really enjoyable and helpful video, especially as I've bene trying to figure out the right stove size for the Minipeak XL. The stove you have there looks like the Winnerwell FastFold BACKPACK stove (not the regular size Fastfold linked in the description). That's the smallest and lightest Winnerwell stove, similar to the Pomoly mini size stoves. Definitely looks like the right size choice for the tent. Good to know how it performed heat-wise too, thanks again!
@BackcountryExposure5 ай бұрын
Yes it’s the smallest winnerwell stove. Thank you!
@valdius8511 ай бұрын
The version with the sled makes more sense for me. Not sure why though 😂 Bigger tent, bigger stove, sleep with another person in the tent. The idea in general is very primal and I would love to try it one day.
@BackcountryExposure11 ай бұрын
I enjoy it as a way to experience the winter in a different way.
@Shawn_fast11 ай бұрын
Cool video. I have been hot tenting for many years now. The carbon detector in my opinion is not needed at all. If it makes you feel safer, awesome. Hot tents will draft A LOT of fresh air, especially without a snow skirt.
@BackcountryExposure11 ай бұрын
You’re probably right, however I’d rather have it and just have that peace of mind.
@mizii4123211 ай бұрын
Awesome video!
@BackcountryExposure11 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@azclaimjumper11 ай бұрын
I've watched a number of small tent size wood stove videos. In retrospect, do you wish you'd bought the Winnerwell Nomad, size small stove; it comes with pipe sections, not that long strip of titanium that you need to shape into a long tube. In retrospect, do you wish you'd brought a 9.5" Silky Gomboy saw? Warm Regards from Reno, Nevada
@BackcountryExposure11 ай бұрын
Not familiar with the Nomad, but the other stove I have is the Wild Wild West titanium stove and it’s a bit larger, also sits higher off the ground. It seems to have been a hotter stove than this one. For the saw, I prefer the Agawa saw. More stable and I like have the push and pull stroke of the blade. The silky blade is a pull only.
@azclaimjumper11 ай бұрын
@@BackcountryExposure Winnerwell, their Nomad series of small, medium, & large tent stoves.
@ommatrasoutdoor11 ай бұрын
Fantastic its so good👍👍👍
@BackcountryExposure11 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@regbillings495511 ай бұрын
Great video, thanks for sharing your hot tent adventure, :)
@BackcountryExposure11 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@kingtaj3 ай бұрын
Do you prefer this saw over something like a Silky saw?
@howardjackman324211 ай бұрын
I love watching hot tent camping, and I would love to try it,but I think I would want to borrow the gear first just to make sure it's worth all the work vs just a "normal" winter camp. I think if I cooked on the stove like a real dinner and breakfast it would probably make the decision easier. Great video, beautiful views despite the scary low snow levels up there. Hopefully this week's storms help out.
@BackcountryExposure11 ай бұрын
Yeah borrowing the gear if you can to try it first would be good. Stoves aren't cheap, which makes it a difficult barrier to spring for. Thanks!
@thomashughes_teh2 ай бұрын
I'm wondering if you could use a shovel as a sled for the backpack? Maybe a small sled could be used as a shovel?
@ThenaturalmedicAdventures11 ай бұрын
Def intrigues me to try Hot Tenting. Not many opps for that in my home state of TX but SD def has options as we are currently below zero and shall be for a few days.
@Canadian_Craftsman11 ай бұрын
Although it's not superior in weight but as for retention in heat canvas=comfort 😅honestly you'd be blown away just how cozy a canvas hottent is a must have experience✊️🔥✌️💚
@GratefulTrekker10 ай бұрын
Question if your stove is that small and you have the carbon monoxide detector wouldn't a Mr buddy heater work I know you have to bring tanks but no processing? Maybe not for a multi nighter but at least an overnight...also in the winter if you use a sled you can bring the large tank that goes Abt 220 hours
@BackcountryExposure10 ай бұрын
Yeah I’d think that you certainly could do that. I still wouldn’t recommend running the heater while you sleep though. Also, the benefit of the wood stove is the ability to also cook on it. So there’s that.
@Cr0cket2010 ай бұрын
I keep eyeballing a hot tent setup but just haven't pulled the trigger yet. Good things to think about from the vid.
@BackcountryExposure10 ай бұрын
Dude, if you wanna try it, you can borrow my setup. Give it a try and see if you like it.
@Cr0cket2010 ай бұрын
@@BackcountryExposure Greatly appreciate it. Will keep it in mind. Hope you and your family are doing well.
@r-e-s-o-n-a-n-t11 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing. Just getting started with hot tenting. Is wildlife ever an issue?
@BackcountryExposure11 ай бұрын
😁 No, wildlife hasn’t ever been a problem for me. But still be smart with your campsite selection and how you handle your food.
@Thundering_Herd11 ай бұрын
And not all hot stove camps are in snow. So all that snow work is not the norm where i live. But low temps are.
@BackcountryExposure11 ай бұрын
That's fair. Cold without snow... not sure if I like that. ha ha
@Ali-kr2yn11 ай бұрын
Where did you get your lines that wont burn on that hot stove pipe! To keep it stable? I didn’t see a link for that, that is very important, I have a stove, but need to try it, the lines, that never crossed my mind, nor did it come with the stove, where can I find those?
@BackcountryExposure11 ай бұрын
The lines are just simple 3mm cordage or maybe it's 5mm. But the Winnerwell stove I've got has the spark arrestor included with the pipe and it has three rings attached to it from the factory. Then I just tied 10' lengths of cord with a bowline to those rings and then stake them out. Not super tight, just snug. The rings don't get hot so there's no worry in the cord melting.
@Ali-kr2yn11 ай бұрын
@@BackcountryExposure I will look up spark arrestors, an rings!
@BackcountryExposure11 ай бұрын
@@Ali-kr2yn there’s a recent video that Rob Pelton did that’s all about stove pipes.
@stigfloberghagenphotography9 ай бұрын
Nice video ❄️👍
@garenartoun90034 ай бұрын
Thank for video no Damper right?
@brendonm.deverix849110 ай бұрын
Honestly being able to have the hot tent set up in a backpacking type of style was impressive, normally I see hot tenters taking a more bushcraft approach if that makes sense
@HLsab10 ай бұрын
Being an Aussie hot tenting is an absolute novelty , we do get consistent snow over winter in the Southeast of the country and I love everything about camping with a stove . I really enjoyed your vid , whereabouts in the states are you?
@BackcountryExposure10 ай бұрын
Thanks for hanging out with me! I am located in Utah!
@stonedapeadventures11 ай бұрын
did you have to order the winnerwell stove from Europe? when I reached out to them they said it would not enter us market. I use the origanal model but the smaller stove intrigued me.
@BackcountryExposure11 ай бұрын
I didn’t. This stove was borrowed to me from the Winnerwell distributor (Dwell Outdoors) here in Salt Lake City. I hadn’t realized when I picked it up it wasn’t a standard size available here. So that’s why I didn’t speak to the exact measurements of the stove in the video.
@stonedapeadventures11 ай бұрын
@BackcountryExposure thanks for replying. they have some Kool products, especially in the Japanese market.
@tonylu797029 күн бұрын
the moosesaw link no longer valid. do you have any other info or link?
@jrjohnson59014 ай бұрын
Also, do you know of any da hot tents that are under $1000?
@Rixx198510 ай бұрын
Man, you need to try a PULK :) (sled?) you can drag 15 kilos and it feels like 5 easily. got the same tent and stove, I love it.. Nice vid
@jrjohnson59014 ай бұрын
What tent are you using?
@rodoutdoors11 ай бұрын
I'd love a hot tent. I'd love to be able to process wood and have a campfire.. but it doesn't really make sense where I'm at. Sigh..
@BackcountryExposure11 ай бұрын
Where you located? Some areas the system just doesn’t make sense.
@rodoutdoors11 ай бұрын
@@BackcountryExposure I'm on the Coast. So it's basically 3 seasons. Winter backpacking is the same as Spring and Fall. With fire restrictions. I had plans to use my Firebox a lot but last year's Winter storm wiped out the area I could actually use it. Then fire restrictions kick in and the beach is basically the only place I could have a fire.
@haroldmilroy448910 ай бұрын
A pull and a larger titanium folding stove makes it much more pleasant.
@BackcountryExposure10 ай бұрын
Yeah I'd like to get a pulk built for next season!
@haroldmilroy448910 ай бұрын
@@BackcountryExposure I think you’ll be happy you did. Just my opinion but it’s certainly made winter travel much easier for me. Best of luck
@summittaedae232311 ай бұрын
We be don’t get very much snow these days in Scotland. Unless we climb up to the highland summits. Looks like you’d benefit from a pulk in that environment. Great video I enjoyed it.
@BackcountryExposure11 ай бұрын
I'd also imagine with wild camping in your area, a wood stove wouldn't be the best as it'd draw attention to your camp? Thanks!
@quinntheeskimooutdoors6234Ай бұрын
Hot tents are nice😊
@kevinemard537010 ай бұрын
The hot tent stoves are to small i think they should be bigger
@BackcountryExposure10 ай бұрын
Plenty of big stoves available, just depends on how much space and weight you want.
@adventuresbackroad253411 ай бұрын
Too much opening around your tent, you should get a tipi with snow skirt is more hot.
@BackcountryExposure11 ай бұрын
I piled snow around most of the tent to reduce the drafts.
@adventuresbackroad253411 ай бұрын
@BackcountryExposure when ypu wake up in morning, you saw a big gaps all around the botton of you tent. ?
@christopherdesantis987611 ай бұрын
If you can't cut it as an outdoors person in the winter then hot tenting is for you.
@BackcountryExposure11 ай бұрын
Hmmm interesting comment.
@theroyalcapra3 ай бұрын
@@BackcountryExposure I would say that if you can't handle all the work that goes into having a working hot tent, you're a lazy outdoors person.
@JediStockTrader9 ай бұрын
Ahhhhhh the stove just so you know weighs over 4 lbs not 2 lbs... TOTAL... pretty important to distinguish...
@stevenmurphy90412 ай бұрын
backpack or truck winter camping big difference
@brycewalburn392611 ай бұрын
I would seriously consider hot tenting if I lived somewhere cold enough to justify it
@BackcountryExposure11 ай бұрын
Totally fair!
@8thsinnerАй бұрын
You should modify the title here or tag this stove, theres not a lot of users talking about it out there.
@BackcountryExposureАй бұрын
@@8thsinner I had thought about it, but the US Winnerwell distributor I found out doesn’t stock that size. Just the larger option.
@8thsinnerАй бұрын
@@BackcountryExposure I see. But ytube is global. But if the us doesn't supply it did you import yours then? I've just ordered one myself
@juriekakoti25238 ай бұрын
Why did you go there
@BackcountryExposure8 ай бұрын
Cause I wanted to
@paulcook6810 ай бұрын
That stove is useless. You can't keep warm with that.
@BackcountryExposure10 ай бұрын
Then it was just all pretend?
@Avocado7402 ай бұрын
Looks like no fun.
@steveolesen803311 ай бұрын
No snow skirts on your tent...a bread box for a stove...a stove pipe that is a huge carbon monoxide hazard...your video is the poster child for being miserable while hot tenting
@BackcountryExposure11 ай бұрын
Did I look miserable? How is the stove pipe a "huge" carbon monoxide hazard?
@steveolesen803311 ай бұрын
@@BackcountryExposureOK fine....there are several other youtubers who actually hot tent safely and comfortably...I will go watch them
@BackcountryExposure11 ай бұрын
@@steveolesen8033 I am genuinely asking. If you’re going to make the statement, stand behind it and tell me. I wasn’t miserable and it’s far from my first time using a hot tent. The stove pipe is rolled and secured as instructed by the manufacturer, and doesn’t leak. The stove comes from a reputable manufacturer and sure it’s small, but that makes it easier to carry in a pack. Snow skirts aren’t required on a tent. Piling snow around the edges is also an option if you don’t have snow skirts. My sleep system is/was very comfortable and appropriate for the conditions, and I had all the necessary gear to enjoy myself. So what part of it gave you the impression that I was miserable? What hazard am I missing that I should be mindful of? I’m genuinely asking here.
@steveolesen803311 ай бұрын
@@BackcountryExposure do I have to remind you that carbon monoxide is an invisible gas and you can't smell it??? Are you actually trying to tell me that a rolled up piece of thin metal that isn't sealed is not going to leak???? Seriously??? Again there are several other youtubers out there I can watch...take care
@BackcountryExposure11 ай бұрын
Alright... take care.
@26parma11 ай бұрын
Looks absolutely miserable and there are so many examples in this video that vindicate my reasoning for hating winter camping. You all go enjoy the misery...it's still a hard no for me.
@BackcountryExposure11 ай бұрын
I've learned to enjoy it, but I have to go in with the mindset to enjoy it. But I completely get it!
@Thundering_Herd11 ай бұрын
Like with anything got to have the want to"s.
@valdius8511 ай бұрын
If this is what you call misery, it makes me wonder what you call real problems in life.