Bad King John? The last Angevin King.

[@Embracehistoria]

Thank you all for watching, all the references are below for each episode. References for episode 1 Reference 1 page 161 the year of Magna Carta, Bertrand de born. Reference 2 Histoire des ducs de normandie, ed. Michel, p. 105. Reference 3 R.howlett page 33 of Dan Jones, Magna Carta, William of Newburgh Reference 4 Matthew Paris, Chronica Majora, ed Luard, vol, 2, p. 668. Reference 5 Page xiii of John Nicolas Vincent. Intro. Reference 6 John, professor Nicholas Vincent page 102, paragraph 3 Reference 7 Page 160 of the year of Magna Carta. Reference 8 Page 60 paragraph 2, The course of the exchequer. Reference 8.5 The Anonymous of Béthune, King John and Magna Carta. References for episode 2 Reference 1. Page 1 of Stephen Church, King John. Page 19 of Marc Morris, King John and page 93 of 1215 the year of magna carta by Danny Danziger and John Gillingham. Reference 2 page 3 of King John, Nicholas Vincent. Reference 3 www.independent.co.uk/news/science/alpine-ice-core-economy-thomas-beckett-murder-a9437546.html Reference 4 page 98 of the year of magna carta. Danny Danziger and John Gillingham. Reference 5 page 73 of the year of Magna carta, Danny Danziger and John Gillingham. References for episode 3 Reference 1 Kate Norgate, England under the Angevin kings, page 230 paragraph 2. Reference 2 The Battle of Bouvines according to William the Breton (prose account) paragraph 29 Reference 3 Page 17 of Stephen churches, King John, page 28 of Marc Morris, King John and page 233 of Kate Norgate, England under the Angevin kings. Reference 4 page 240 Kate Norgate Reference 5 page 34 of Marc Morris and page 243 Kate Norgate. Reference 6 page 89, paragraph 2 of the annals of Roger of Howden. Reference 7 pages 106-107 of Annals of Roger of Howden 7 Reference 8 page 261 Kate Norgate Reference 9 page 261 Kate Norgate Reference 10 page 111 Roger of Howden References for episode 4 Reference 1 Gerald of Wales, on the instruction of princes page 7 Reference 2 page 105 paragraph 1 of the year of Magna Carta. Reference 3 Roger of Howden, 114, paragraph 5 References for episode 5 Reference 1 The Annals of Roger de Hoveden page 173 paragraph 6 Reference 2 The Annals of Roger de Hoveden page 222. Jim Bradbury, Philip Augustus page 92. Marc Morris, John page 73. Reference 3 Jim Bradbury, Philip Augustus page 92. Reference 4 The Annals of Roger de Hoveden page 192 Reference 5 Jim Bradbury, Philip Augustus page 95. Reference 6 The Annals of Roger de Hoveden page 257 Reference 7 page 314 Kate Norgate, England under the Angevin Kings. The Annals of Roger de Hoveden page 257. Jim Bradbury, Philip Augustus page 109. Marc Morris, John page 74 Reference 8 The Annals of Roger de Hoveden page 221 Reference 9 Stephen Church, King John page 52. Marc Morris, John page 76. Kate Norgate, England under the Angevin Kings page 315. Nicholas Vincent, John page 21. Reference 10 Stephen Church, King John page 52. Reference 11 The Cistercian Order's relationship with King Richard and King John www.academia.edu/28469584/The_Cistercian_Orders_relationship_with_King_Richard_and_King_John Reference 12 Nicholas Vincent, John page 22. Jim Bradbury, Philip Augustus page 113. Stephen Church, King John page 56 References for episode 6 Reference 1 The Oxford illustrated History of Ireland, R.F. Foster page 21. Reference 2 www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/canon-law Reference 3 King John, Stephen Church, page 20 Reference 4 Gerald of Wales topography of Ireland page 33 Reference 5 The Oxford illustrated History of Ireland, R.F. Foster page 52. Reference 6 Annals of Ulster U1171.10 Reference 7 Gerald of Wales topography of Ireland page 15. Reference 8 Gerald of Wales conquest of Ireland page 70 Reference 9 Gerald of Wales conquest of Ireland page 78 Reference 10 John, Nicholas Vincent, page 15. Reference 11 1215 the year of Magna Carta, Danny Danziger and John Gillingham, page 225 Reference 12 Annals of Ulster U1185.5 Reference 13 John, Nicholas Vincent, page 18 References for episode 7 Reference 1 The Annals of Roger de Hoveden, page 452 Reference 2 King John, Stephen Church, page 63. King John, Marc Morris, page 103. The Annals of Roger de Hoveden, page 451 Reference 3 The Annals of Roger de Hoveden, page 451. Reference 4 Jim Bradbury, King Philip, page 128. Reference 5 King John, Stephen Church, page 65 Reference 6 The Annals of Roger de Hoveden, page 456 Reference 7 Jim Bradbury, King Philip, page 133 Reference 8 The Annals of Roger de Hoveden, page 457 Reference 9 1215 The year of Magna Carta, Danny Danziger and John Gillingham, page 154. King John, Marc Morris, page 109 Reference 10 England in the thirteenth century, Harding, Cambridge, page 68 1215 The year of Magna Carta, Danny Danziger and John Gillingham, page 38 Reference 11 1215 The year of Magna Carta, Danny Danziger and John Gillingham, page 34/35/36 England in the thirteenth century, Harding, Cambridge, page 68/69 Reference 12 England in the thirteenth century, Harding, Cambridge, page 52/53 1215 The year of Magna Carta, Danny Danziger and John Gillingham, page 51 Reference 13 England in the thirteenth century, Harding, Cambridge, page 264 Reference 14 King John, Stephen Church, page 70 Reference 15 The Annals of Roger de Hoveden, page 462-463 Reference 16 King John, Marc Morris, page 112. Reference 17 The Annals of Roger de Hoveden, page 463. Reference 18 King John, Marc Morris, page 114. Reference 19 Jim Bradbury, King Philip, page 133/134. Nicholas Vincent, John, page 27/28. 1215 The year of Magna Carta, Danny Danziger and John Gillingham, page 156/157 King John, Marc Morris, page 115/116. King John, Stephen Church, page 86/87 The Annals of Roger de Hoveden, page 472 Reference 20 King John, Stephen Church, 72/73/74/75 Reference 21The Annals of Roger de Hoveden, page 464/465 Reference 22 1215 The year of Magna Carta, Danny Danziger and John Gillingham, page 157 Nicholas Vincent, John, page 29/30 Jim Bradbury, King Philip, page 135/136 King John, Marc Morris, page 118/119 Reference 23 The Annals of Roger de Hoveden, page 466/467 Reference 24 Jim Bradbury, King Philip, page 141 Reference 25 The Annals of Roger de Hoveden, page 533 Reference 26 King John, Stephen Church, page 102 Reference 27 King John, Stephen Church, page 104 King John, Marc Morris, page 125 Jim Bradbury, King Philip, page 144 Nicholas Vincent, John, page 31 1215 The year of Magna Carta, Danny Danziger and John Gillingham, page 158 Reference 28 King John, Marc Morris, page 125 References for episode 8 Reference 1 King John, Marc Morris, page 148 King John, Stephen Church page 110 Philip Augustus, Jim Bradbury page 144 1215 The year of Magna Carta, Danny Danziger and John Gillingham page 159 Reference 2 The Margam Abbey Chronicle Reference 3 King John, Marc Morris, page 151 King John, Stephen Church page 108 Reference 4 King John, Marc Morris, page 12 Reference 5 King John, Marc Morris, page 13 King John, Stephen Church page 115 Reference 6 Philip Augustus, Jim Bradbury page 149 Reference 7 King John, Stephen Church page 117 Reference 8 Philip Augustus, Jim Bradbury page 147 Reference 9 Philip Augustus, Jim Bradbury page 150 Reference 10 King John, Marc Morris, page 45 King John, Stephen Church page 123 Philip Augustus, Jim Bradbury page 152 Reference 11 Magna Carta, Professor Nicholas Vincent page 31 Reference 12 King John, Stephen Church page 136 Reference 13 King John, Marc Morris, page 127 Reference 14 King John, Stephen Church page 138 Reference 15 King John, Marc Morris, page 131 Reference 16 King John, Stephen Church page 150 Reference 17 King John, Marc Morris, page 131 Reference 18 1215 The year of Magna Carta, Danny Danziger and John Gillingham page 149 Reference 19 1215 The year of Magna Carta, Danny Danziger and John Gillingham page 150 Reference 20 A history of Wales, John Davies page 131 Reference 21 King John, Stephen Church page 135 Reference 22 King John, Stephen Church page 135 Reference 23 King John, Stephen Church page 142 Reference 24 England in the thirteenth century, Harding, Cambridge page 267 Reference 25 1215 The year of Magna Carta, Danny Danziger and John Gillingham page 167 Reference 26 King John, Stephen Church page 204 Reference 27 King John, Stephen Church page 212 Reference 28 John, Professor Nicholas Vincent page 90 Reference 29 King John, Stephen Church page 218 Reference 30 John, Professor Nicholas Vincent page 99 215 The year of Magna Carta, Danny Danziger and John Gillingham page 270 King John, Stephen Church page 248 King John, Marc Morris, page 284

[@MarcusAgrippa390]

3 hours of Embrace Historia? Yes please!

[@Embracehistoria]

What a terrible fate. Lol.

[@Andy_Babb]

My 23rd great grandfather, John Fitzrobert de Stokes, 3rd Baron Warkworth, was a Magna Carta surety. Blows my mind that I descend from somebody who signed the Magna Carta

[@skinfiddler]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Andy_Babb]

@@skinfiddler … right.

[@JustinWAL19]

I'm descendant from the female line of the Plantagenets. I believe one of sisters of the kings or daughters the records got merky when I got to that level.

[@Andy_Babb]

@@JustinWAL19 that’s so cool lol I learned my 25th great grandmother was the mother of William the Bastard/Conqueror and traced that same line back to close to the year 800. It does get murky though after a few hundred years lol

[@user-wr4eh7gh4b]

@@Andy_Babbhow did you find this out?

[@TheJennick13]

I've had 3 boys & can definitely say being a younger son has a serious effect on their egos & personalities, they want to compete & surpass their older brothers & that can make all kinds of conflicts to happen- as we see w John.

[@devinwalker7740]

Great show, I can only imagine John on crusade. Would have been very interesting.

[@Aspasia2929]

Tens of Thousands died and more suffered because of that arrow landing in King Harold’s eye. From The Conqueror to Richard II they were ALL Frenchmen who ruled England. They all spoke French and had their roots in France, married French noblewoman. Henry IV in who became king 1399 was the first ruler of England whose spoke English as a first language since Harold Godwinson!

[@skinfiddler]

Bad enough that no future King was named John

[@robertalpy]

John may have been no Richard in open battle, but he could crack a castle with the best of them.

[@valmarsiglia]

Kudos on all the wonderful detail. A three-hour presentation on king John is exactly the nerd table for me to sit at!

[@collin4592]

Everyone always hates on Stephen, John and Richard III. Yet I feel like they are much better than other kings in their time. Thank you very much for this series!

[@hogwashmcturnip8930]

Agreed. John was certainly better than brother Richard, yet he is one oh the darlings. To talk about the cruelty of these 3 is ignoring that it was expected in their time. And in every case the only people who spoke against them were the barons they tried to reign in. I get sick of hearing how wonderful Magna Carta was. All it did was absolve barons of Their criminality. It certainly did Nothing at all for the Common man, other than give the barons more powers to subjugate them.

[@JustinWAL19]

I've never understood it. I'm a descendant of the Plantagenets though one of the daughters of Geoffrey.

[@PaddyMac]

@@JustinWAL19A fair chunk of us are tbh. Those royalty lot spread like rabbits 😅

[@Aspasia2929]

Stephen broke his VOW to his Uncle and King Henry I to support Henry’s daughter Matilda as his legitimate heir to the throne. Empress Matilda was sent to Germany at 8 years old in preparation of her marriage to a man nearly 30, Henry V Holy Roman Emperor. Matilda wasn’t just arm candy, while in her teens she took an active role in governing and even served as regent, so she didn’t lack the experience or the fortitude to rule, what was Stephen’s credentials? He was by all accounts mailable, so he would do as he was told, and he had a penis. John and RII had a lot in common they were both mercurial, paranoid, ruthless killers who murdered their nephews because they were in the way of the throne, so by any decent standard really bad guys! There are tons of documentaries you can watch to learn more and make an INFORMED decision rather than hazard a guess!

[@Aspasia2929]

@@hogwashmcturnip8930Medieval times were brutal but even then murdering children was considered heinous, but I agree about Richard. He can’t even be considered a true English monarch because he never governed. During this time in history these monarchs were less ENGLISH Kings than Frenchmen who RULED England. Richard I is definitely the worst of them because the only thing he wanted was the money he could access as “King of England” he never spent more than six months there. I think it’s RI’s connection to the fictional novel Robin Hood that created the false impression that he was a great king. That being said, just because John was better than Richard doesn’t mean he was a good ruler.

[@wimdefoort7698]

Very impressive sir

[@Embracehistoria]

Thank you.

[@cyrilthompson1846]

Other sorces say that it was a Pope asked Henry to invade Ireland to reinstate local kings.

[@djackmanson]

Nice sneaky Atun-Shei shout out!

[@SkillyMackabee]

Idk how I missed this upload! Great content U’d really enjoy Mike Walker’s radio series on Plantagenets, if u haven’t already listened.. The episode on ol SoftSword is a gem of dark hilarity.

[@XofHope]

Thank you so much for such a detailed telling of this period of history! The little funny comments in the balloons are a great way to lighten up this very long documentary! I'd only suggest a bit of a more energetic narration, as the rather monochordic tone sometimes wasn't the best to keep me awake.

[@Andy_Babb]

… the king had to revolt. I find that just so fascinating and wild lol

[@amyrat151]

56:14 Oh my God! I love you.

[@ankhpom9296]

Descriptions of John could fit Trump.

[@mominsox7509]

TDS

[@wmr9019]

William Marshall, that name brings joy to my heart he is my 25th paternal great grandfather, I am proud to be a descendant of such a man 💖

[@janiworthen]

@wmr9019 And John was wise enough to name William Marshall as guardian to his son, Henry, in his will.

[@robertalpy]

Henry III was Bad King Johns son I believe, not his great grandfather. I may be wrong about this, though, through watching this station and others, I likely know more about the list of British Monarchs than any American has any business knowing...lol!

[@Aspasia2929]

Stephen broke his VOW to his Uncle and King Henry I to support Henry’s daughter Matilda as his legitimate heir to the throne. Empress Matilda was sent to Germany at 8 years old in preparation of her marriage to a man nearly 30, Henry V Holy Roman Emperor. Matilda wasn’t just arm candy, while in her teens she took an active role in governing and even served as regent, so she didn’t lack the experience or the fortitude to rule, what was Stephen’s credentials? He was by all accounts mailable, so he would do as he was told, and he had a penis. John and RII had a lot in common they were both mercurial, paranoid, ruthless killers who murdered their nephews because they were in the way of the throne, so by any decent standard really bad guys! There are tons of documentaries you can watch to learn more and make an INFORMED decision rather than hazard a guess!