Bad units that we love (feat. Bad At Fire Emblem)

You know that unit that against ALL of your tactical fiber you still wind up deploying no matter the cost? Well, in this video today with ‪@BadAtFireEmblem‬ , we dive deep into the units we KNOW are bad, but still love using anyways.
Some of the footage utilized was from ‪@Muuhiro1‬ channel! Please leave a like and sub over there too.
This footage was utilized in the video:
• You're God damn right.
EDIT: As it's been pointed out there is 1 shine in chapter 21. And 1 divine in chapter 25. For some reason these are not listed in Serenes Forest item lists, but are on Fire Emblem WoD. Unfortunately I can't always play every single chapter before making a vid, so sometimes my memory can be a little fuzzy and I use these sources to help. I apologize for any inconvenience. Either way, I still stand by what I said regarding Lucius and don't believe that shine or divine would make enough of a difference to change my opinion.
Timestamps:
00:00 - Intro
01:46 - Mist (PoR)
04:01 - Gwendolyn (Binding Blade)
05:25 - Ross (Sacred Stones)
07:51 - L'arachel(Sacred Stones)
10:55 - Lucius (Blazing Blade)
14:03 - Geitz (Blazing Blade)
17:52 - Outro
What about you? Do you have that guilty pleasure unit that you just ABSOLUTELY love using no matter what? Leave it down in the comments below, super excited to see!

[@mqfii8992]

Ross Is legit a Shounen Protagonist. A young boy with a dream, to achieve his dreams, he must fight and surpass overwhelming odds and become the strongest. And it's up to YOU, the player, to nurture him into fulfilling his dream. And In literally *EVERY* playthrough, Ross and Amelia were worth the grind.

[@HanakkoLove]

The bad units that I always end up using are the gba lords. Even though Eirika, Eliwood and Lyn are trash, I still baby them a lot. For Eliwood and Lyn it's partly because I like to get the Geitz chapter, but the reason for all 3 is because I like the idea of a very powerful main character very much, and it's fun to see these characters actually matter in gameplay.

[@cryguy0000]

Idk, I don't think they're that bad. Definitely not great but they're serviceable in combat

[@BadAtFireEmblem]

I'm a sucker for their animations so I always wanna see them as much as possible

[@hanzou1238]

I always use them because it feels wrong not to. They are main characters so I feel they should be used.

[@joshuabonesteel2303]

Eliwood and Lyn are not even that bad. They have effective weapons and good supports, and their growths will usually help them be usable. If you had said Rebecca or Barte, I would definitely agree with you. Erika is pretty trash, though.

[@hanzou1238]

@@joshuabonesteel2303 You do realize that Lyn and Eliwood are in FE7 where effective weapons only have x2 mt instead of x3 right? Meaning that the Rapier only has 1 more MT effective than the Silver Sword has against everyone, the Mani Katti at least has 3 more. Lyn has no access to reliable 1-2 range in a mainly enemy phase game, and yes Eliwood gets it but after his promotion which is very late. Plus Eliwood is very outclassed by Marcus and Sain (plus Kent and Lowen to a lesser extent) who are both good right off the bat, and Eliwoods only advantage is Durandal access which he only has for 2 maps.

[@AdzumiKuma]

I feel using a bad unit ads a bit of personality to a run like yeah you could use a royal Laguz and steamroll endgame, or you could experience pain of training Lyre to lvl 40 and still not cap str.

[@clumsygolem101]

Heck yeah, my kinda vid! I just love using bad units in general, trainees are my jam.

[@RobotGuy405]

My favorite bad unit is Seth He's bad cause he's a filthy EXP thief smh

[@BadAtFireEmblem]

Pure filth

[@MyVanir]

No, everyone else are thieves that steal exp from Seth.

[@mori518]

I think RD Soren is my fav bad unit. Is his speed subpar? Yes. Does he have a hard time leveraging his magic when enemies actually have res? Yes. Does his durability crumple when you don’t give him an Ike Support? Yes. But he’s my fav character in the series, and I love being able to clear entire waves of enemies with him and Ike in 4-1 and 4-4 (and before that) when he gets going, and I love giving him the 3-3 mastercrown when he caps Magic, skill speed and res.

[@fireembros1165]

I use Soren every time too, but I don’t think he’s really bad precisely because he has so many available tools to mitigate his issues. Innate adept/ike support/staff utility/ early master crown usage/ he’s pretty much handed the solutions to his problems right there.

[@mysmallnoman]

His speed can be easily patched up with Bexp Enemies have decent res but not enough to actually survive getting 2HKOed, and you can forge a fire time for maximum dmg You also can just not have him fight enemies directly on

[@otoryuthesounddragon7089]

My Soren built 2 strenyso far. The beginning chapters have been SOO easy. Man can double like nothing I've seen before.

[@pp-zj1mv]

Give me General Amelia or give me death. Yes, even on no-monster-grinding Ephraim hard mode where you have to feed her pure waters and create a defensive box around her in the ship chapter. That's where I learned that Great Knight Gilliam is amazing for babying the trainees too, since he never dies, never doubles, can rescue well enough, and can pick any level of MT on his weapons. Send Gilliam out alone and watch him turn an entire crowd of enemies into little EXP nuggets for your weakest units

[@screamingice5786]

My favourite bad unit is Ogier, in my head cannon he is the protagonist of fe6

[@pivotkid908]

11:51 MUM GET THE CAMERA I MADE THAT POINT! ERK ELFIRE GANG FOREVER! Holy based Bad at Fire Emblem calling Geitz bad. 100% agree

[@fireembros1165]

Yes you did!!! It was quite a revealing moment for me ahahhaha!

[@Jooberwak]

​​@@fireembros1165 It's also wrong. There's a Shine drop in chapter 20/21 from a monk and potentially in 22x/23x if you attack Kishuna before opening the door. You can't buy Shine until 24/26, though, and in Hector's Story that involves figuring out how to neutralize Vaida.

[@pivotkid908]

@@Jooberwak blame serenesforest for not listing basic weaponry in item locations

[@AceAviations2]

Ross does have a notable niche in Erika's route, he can promote into a Pirate, and the first map after the route split has a case where being able to move over water and NOT being weak to bows is valuable. It's not much, but it's a role that he can fill that no other unit that you have access to at the time. Plus he's one of only two Berserkers you can get, and he could turn out to be better than Dozla(?). When compared to the other trainee classes he and Ewan are the two that have good value, Ewan is one of only two possible dark magic users, unlike Knoll, he actually has a Luck stat. One thing to note about Mist is that she can make use of the magic sword (don't know what the name is) you get in the chapter where you get the Pegasus/Falcon Knight with the unique reinforcement skill. While it would take some work, considering that she's a healer, and thus has a decent magic stat, she can have some 1-2 range MAGIC offense while on a horse. Iirc there aren't many units in PoR like this, you do have to be careful about uses however. Yes it's late into the game, however it's something. What's so strange is that in Radiant Dawn her unique 1-2 range Sword deals isn't magic, which makes it not very good ironically. This is something that I wish Fire Emblem did more, Three Houses did this twice with Anette and Mariane's relic weapons Crusher and Blutgang. This makes them more than just mages and sets them apart from Lysthiea or Dorothea. While she's apparently not a great unit, she at least has something pretty unique going for her. Which is what can set apart bad units from other bad units. If they can do something other units cannot do, even if only for the time before another unit joins that can do their job but better, they have some value that makes them worth using.

[@fireembros1165]

I actually do think Ross has some value, but it comes out moot in the end for me. The sonic sword mist is a meme however. Need to get to B sword which means your either arms scroll feeding her the whole way or your deliberately putting her in harms way and feeding kills instead of healing with her. To make matters worse, Tanith comes with the ability to use it at base and her magic is more than enough to 1 round even the later bulkier wyverns on maniac mode with it, meaning all that extra magic is overkill on mist. It’s nice that she can use it, but IMO it’s too much work for it over just letting other units utilize it.

[@Gronnwolf]

Hoping we get Attuned Rearmed Legendary something Mist in FEH someday so she can finally have that Magic Sword that targets the lower of Def/Res

[@lspuria8440]

Lot! Lot! Lot! awesome collab with Bad at Fire Emblem. I like that channel too.

[@Scotts_GamingWorld]

Nice video and good to meet new Fire Emblem creators (came from BadAtFireEmblem) Will be interesting to see what you do next! And who knows maybe bring the both of you on for a interesting idea XD

[@fireembros1165]

I love collabs so I’m totally down! Great to see you here too!

[@Scotts_GamingWorld]

We got much chaos to explore 😆

[@sharkboydude5111]

Great collab video🔥🔥🔥

[@something1558]

Personally I love training Astrid(RD) cause even despite how she was done dirty she's still one of my favorite charas. Plus she's the only mounted double bow user which is insanely fun and with paragon + blossom she'll cap out her stats faster than pretty much anyone else you use(her growths are surprisingly good and well divided). And somehow prob cause she always ends up with high luck even without a support she can get as dodgy as Mia which is kinda crazy(prob cause her luck growth is insane she always comes close to capping it when I use her)

[@michaelcaban1749]

Ross in all my hardmode playthroughs came through for me. Ross and Garm go brrr

[@ChrispyBoiYTP]

I’m starting out a sacred stones game, Ross is a level 7 journeyman and he actually has higher stats than Garcia already, I got really lucky level ups

[@JM-tj5qm]

Training bad units isone of the most fun parts of fire emblem for me.

[@gyppygirl2021]

Radiant Dawn, Leonardo and Ilyana. 'nuff said.

[@DemonVermin]

Interestingly enough, I have gotten Ross, Mozu, Amelia, Ewan and Donnel to level 10 on their join map or the map right after. Now Donnel was a pain in the ass that I would never do again. Its a fun puzzle and secondary goal that makes play troughs more interesting. The other 4? Pretty easy. Ross, can hack at the archer in the join map and with support can 1v1 the bandit reinforcements. Afterward, Babza’s hideout has a ton of free exp from just throwing the hatchet while I give the kills to someone else. Ewan’s map has a few static monsters and a juicy Entombed in the upper area. Walling off some of the reinforcements that appear behind with Gilliam gives him a ton of free pot shots. Letting Gilliam tank also helps you grind L’Arachel if you really wanna. On her note… she should have joined with C staff. Then she could use special staves from the get go, which would’ve given people incentive to use her. Amelia is a bit trickier, but you can actually feed her the archers if you get her before the route split. Hilariously she can just barely survive a round with the generic Soldiers on the map too. Depending on your luck with speed and if you wanna give her the Dracoshield on the map, you can have her 1v1 some Mercs too. Lastly Mozu is just a case of walling off a few Faceless and using terrain to lock on some 1v1s. It is nice that Naginatas give defense here.

[@Mudlink]

I always have fun using bad units. I make it a point to use one or several in pretty much all of my fire emblem playthroughs. My favorites being Darros, Matthis, Dorothy, Arden, Marty and Shannam. I'm currently playing Engage Maddening with Clanne and he's less than fun for me but that's because I'm not the best at playing Engage. I think everyone should try a bad unit or two every time they play a fire emblem game, just to see if they are actually underrated or just for an extra challenge.

[@halcyon_echo42]

Always loved L'Arachel! She's such a fun character and unit to grow into a powerhouse with a mount

[@victorvicentec.araujo3302]

For me it's Neimi (and female archers in general) because I'm a sucker for these female sniper animations, and even though I know she's bad, I support her with the thought "since I have this Orion Bolt here and no one else to use it, it would be a waste not to give it to her"

[@einjharrelraca]

My guilty pleasure unit is micaiah. I enjoy her in part 3 specifically because she finally gets staff utility. Then i get into part 4 and she continues doing just that. Then the tower i can bless her purge tome negating 1 of her 2 big weaknesses. Also the game has an abundance of physic staffs as well. So shes almost always at 10 range.

[@thomasclevenger2303]

I always love using Ross bc by the end if you make him a berserker he absolutely DESTROYS EVERYTHING. Berserker GBA crits are so satisfying pairing him with Swordmaster Joshua is just a dopamine factory.

[@SultanHardin]

I feel like most of what i'd say was already covered over by Axomm. But if there is one thing not mentioned, it's that additionally to Lucius' paper-thin defense and hp...he also has base Luck on par with Raven....yeah I never understood frail units that risk crit. Understandably, you're going to already be minimizing retaliation damage, but sometimes you don't have a choice. Lucius' problem is being ultra-player phase in a very enemy phase game, so even despite having pretty good offensive potential, he is held back by FE7 being FE7. I'd be willing to bet he'd shine (no pun intended) much more in a game like FE6.

[@farmingsim9813]

My favorite "bad" unit to use is probably Fir, which I really don't even think is a bad unit. Swordmasters in FE6 are super fun with their 30% crit bonus and it's super easy to train her right after she joins thanks to all of the enemy pirates. Though my favorite definitively bad unit would have to be Marty, it's hilarious seeing a unit with 0 base speed cap stats with scrolls and a massive promotion bonuses.

[@spiregg]

Pretty sure 11:50 is wrong. Lucius can use enemy drops from 21 (Shine drop on a monk) and 25 (crazed beast - Divine drop on a monk) in HHM. Sure it's pretty sparse but not nearly as bad as only having access to lightning till 26.

[@fireembros1165]

Strange because Serenes forest doesn’t list this in item locations, but I went and checked fire emblem WoD and they do list it. You’re going to have to forgive me if it’s indeed there because unfortunately, I have to just go by the sources that are available and can’t afford to play every single chapter before I do a video, so a lot of it could be just from incorrect memory as well. I’ll see if anybody has a save around and edit the description with the correction if they are indeed there on HHM. Sorry for the mistake. Nonetheless, it is still only 1 chapter before 26 for divine and as for the shine, sure it gives him 5 more chapters, but… I’m not quite sure it’s solving most of his issues.

[@spiregg]

@@fireembros1165 Yeah, he's still bad. Just wanted to point out an error.

[@fireembros1165]

@@spiregg I appreciate that!! I’ll update it in the description later. Thank you for correcting me

[@Treasure_hunter_21]

What about fe5 morty?

[@zoesequeira5388]

For me it's Radiant Dawn Illyana. I love my mages, and her lightning magic is fun to use against dragons in the tower

[@something1558]

Plus she has the niche of being the only Rexbolt user in the game

[@HanakkoLove]

Lets goooo BAFE sweep

[@BadAtFireEmblem]

It me

[@lupus5859]

Hilariously, I'm the exact opposite when it comes to Lucius and Erk. I've only used Lucius once, and even then grinded him a bit on Lyn Mode to facilitate it, but Erk is a near constant on my FE7 teams. And he's only ended up Magic screwed once, surprisingly, every other time he's been consistently on par or better than Pent (outside of staff rank obviously, but all three of the unpromoted mages share that issue)

[@isaaccollins4533]

I know Marcus is really good in fe7, but Marcus is my favorite to use, I used him to dash across the battlefield made me like him and his insane crit and damage really makes me really like him.

[@medic-ez9fo]

𝑩𝑨𝑹𝑻𝑹𝑬 𝑻𝑯𝑬 𝑩𝑹𝑨𝑽𝑬 (in both FE6 & FE7)

[@WolfBergMenace]

Ross can become a Berserker, that's enough reason for me to use him! Also my #1 bad unit I love is Marisa. Shes a wose Joshua in every way that comes incredibly late but I train her every time because I think shes pretty and I like her colors. Yeah that's pretty much it lmao

[@naotoueda2838]

I use Mist because it's funny having her using Sonic Sword I hate Ross because he is mid, not bad or not good. It's not like Wendy level of bad. It's just an unit with average growths and low bases with good weapon type. But I like using him with Garcia for the fire fire support. My favorite bad unit defiitely is Sophia. I just like purple dark mage.

[@fireembros1165]

Love me some Sophia action too

[@hanzou1238]

The biggest problem Ross has is his middling speed growth. If you can get his speed going then he is amazing. His training isn't that bad either since as long as you don't mind playing slower in CH 3 he can easily reach level 10 on that map. I feel they designed that map specifically for him.

[@NECROcade]

ill give my guilty pleasure unit for ever game ive played: fe 6 sue/hugh/gwendolyn, fe 7 erk/rath, fe 8 gilliam, fe 9 neph, fe 10, pelleus kurth, awakening anna echoes lucas, 3 houses

[@addambarcelos]

If I had to pick a bad unit as my favorite, I would say Florina (fe7). Yes, farina and fiora are certainly better, but I enjoy using her a lot, and being the 1st flier available makes me like training her, especially for the desert map

[@ejirokirishima4604]

Pretty much every early archer is ending up in mybteam, I live archers and of all of them, rolf is my boy, he is always gonna be completly trained in 9 and 10

[@EternatusForever]

The unit I use that's kinda bad is Lilina. her speed kinda sucks, but her magic growth is good enough she easily can one-shot some enemies with elfire. her res growth is also pretty good, but her defence is weak. her Hp can be pretty low, but give her an angelic robe and she should be fine. I've been playing Project Ember recently, and I somewhat turned her into a god. her speed has improved but she still gets two-shot because of her lacking defence. so, she isn't the worst unit, but she is can be bad in a lot of situations, but I still use her because its fun to one-shot stuff

[@thomascompton4418]

My favorite bad units are all the various staffer units lol. I'm good enough to beat fire emblem games on hard mode, but not good enough to speed run the chapters. I always take my sweet time (if there isn't a time limit) so they actually end up pretty beefy (I will toss out a heal even if it heals just 1 hp lol). I remember beating FE3H on Maniac and all my white magic units were hilariously over leveled compared to the bulk of the crew.

[@hanzou1238]

My favorite bad unit to use is Marisa. She is my favorite FE8 character so i always use her. Honestly i have never had her turn out bad and her main problem is lack of 1-2 range and late join time. Stat wise she is great.

[@medic-ez9fo]

The biggest problem about Marisa its the Fact that Joshua exist, he comes way earlier, had better stats and weapon rank and also have a cool hat. she have more growths yeah, but the difference is only on luck, you can baby her just like L'arachel but instead of her that you can mantain her in the backlines healing, you need Marisa in the frontline battling. For someone having the awesome name of the Crimson Flash its sure need some buffs. i Dunno, start at level 9 for example in eirika's and level 12 at ephraim's with better weapon lvl

[@hanzou1238]

@@medic-ez9fo She isn't that hard to level to be fair. There are tons of Brigand reinforcements on her join map in Eirika's route and the monsters aren't hard on Ephraims route so she is easy to level

[@DemonVermin]

Interestingly… for joining so much later, she doesn’t have better growths than Joshua. She trades 5 DEF for 5 RES and 5 HP for 5 SPD. The EN version then gives Joshua 5 more STR growth for the funnies. The only stat she eclipses him in is LUC. They also join at the same level and she has -1 to all stats but RES. Being a female unit, they also gave her less CON. (Lute always being encumbered by Fire annoys me so much) It is… frustrating to discover this about her. Still used her though as my Joshua usually gets STR screwed.

[@chillstoneblakeblast3172]

Because FE4 lets you use everyone, I really enjoy using the Bad units and substitutes. Training Arden Gen 1 is always a Roller coaster: Either he gets too much defense that enemies ignore him, be tanky enough that he takes like 1-3 points of damage from physical attacks or He could just be Defense screwed and become a fun Time wasting Arena Bot.

[@RobotGuy405]

One time I had Arden clear the Chapter 4 arena cause he went ultra instinct on the final opponent and dodged way too many 60+ hits, then he capped it off with a glorious and dominant level up that consisted of a single point of defense and nothing else. He is the unit of all time.

[@nahte123456]

Thieves. In pretty much every game pre-awakening I end the game with a max level thief on my team. I just really dig them.

[@Kylesico912x]

For a recent one for me, it has to be Anna from engage. She's great if you train her up but you have to take the time to train her up. It's not exactly hard but I can see why people skip her as a unit when characters like Ivy, Pandreo and Lindon are easier to set up.

[@Direblade11]

Ross is a good unit and idc how toxic you think I am for spreading the truth. My argument is: because. Fight me.

[@BadAtFireEmblem]

"Because fight me" is a good argument tbf

[@Jooberwak]

​@@BadAtFireEmblemMy argument is "Pirate"

[@EternatusForever]

My argument: GARM

[@weepingdalek2568]

Fun fact, Troubadours only have 6 move in FE8

[@CasualFehPlayer-rf6sl]

I remember the second time playing FE7 I got the Geitz chapter and was confused cause i didn’t get ANY split chapters first play through and was visibly confused as the why the chapter was different.😅 I’m no expert but does Mozu fit in this category? I mean being a villager you already have to invest into her but she’s super adorable and there’s just something funny about watching a nervous farm girl destroy all these high ranking military officers and dragons.😂

[@squatch1565]

Barth is my go-to bad unit. He's never turned out good, and of course armor knights are pretty bad in FE6, I just really like the way his armor looks. Easily one of my favorite sprite designs, even though it's so simple. My other pick is Kieran in Radiant Dawn. He's awesome in Path of Radiance, but RD limits him due to availability and the fact that there's no way to differentiate him from Titania like in PoR. That reason is simply because I really like him as a character

[@GreatAether58]

Barth can actually be pretty solid if you promote him at Lv. 10. All he needs is one level up to reach promotion, and the promotion gains he gets help him out a lot. Even if his attacks miss, having an 18-19 DEF tank that early can be useful. The biggest downside to this is probably that you'd be taking the Ch. 8 Knight's Crest away from Alan or Lance who can arguably use it better. Something to consider though.

[@LadyB_20]

The only ŕeason why I used lucious....was his support with Raven.....sue me

[@agustycrossknight]

I love Wolt

[@gabrielclamens3151]

Yeah, people just use Mist because they want her in the BK fight but eh, never really liked her, her bases are way too low and she dies to anything, Miracle never works too And well, I wasn't very good at FE back then when I first played FE9, and Mist couldn't stop dying to Norris, which eventually built up ressentment against her lol I jut prefer using Rhys nowadays, and babysit Elincia, cause she's fun ! My fav bd units in FE9 is Rolf, extremely funny to use the double bow, which is very unique in the franchise, and a lot better than people give it credit for And his supports with Tauroneo were neat...(and my Rolf had 23 defense, which is quite hilarious) Not much else to add about Wendy, i'm more of a Sophia fan, but I did try using Wendy...t'was tough tho, and it never realy paid off sadly...and Bors is great so...but who knows might give her another shot ! Ross is fine tho, Amelia and Ewan are a lot worse, particularly Amelia... But for Bad at FE, Troubadours actually only get 6 movement in Sacred stones ! Otherwise, not much else to add, great video ! After all of that and the few units I already mentionned...I'm a huge Lyre fan, so I train her by boxing up a mag and making her kick him to death ! Works like a charm lmao, and now, she's one shotting dragons with rend because RD skills are balanced A lot of Thracia's cast is meh but fun to use as well, like Marty or Ronan...I know a lot of people beat the shit out Guy but i'm a huge fan of him, that guy (no pun intended) is insane whenever I use him... The list is long to be honest !

[@min-min3160]

Shame seeing my boy Lucius here but i can see it, Light magic just aint it in the GBA games (not without Slayer carrying it lol) Still love him as well though, can't imagine doing an FE7 run without him.

[@Zyaire286]

Ngl, using bad units in FE is an interesting experience. Granted they probably will not reach the level of performance or love to other high units like the jegan archetype or the lord, but they are what make them so interesting to use. I find myself using bad units that people claim to be bad which most of the times, I halve agree but halve enjoy using bad units in most playthrough :D

[@noukan42]

Except that is just wrong. They absolutely reach that level of performance. Amelia is just Franz + a training arc, and Franza himself is just Seth + a trainijg arcs. To me a good "bad" unit is something like Kiwi in Shining Force 2, that is weak but has many unusual features that make it different to use than anything else. 90% of FE bad units are "Good units, but you have to feed them kills for 2 maps". The exceptions are very rare.

[@Zyaire286]

@@noukan42yea I get that but think about it, think about it. Why have 1 Seth, when you could have THREE Seths later :p

[@asmodeus58XX]

I often babysit bad units for the sake of seeing how far I can go with them. Rebecca is classic, Marisa (often alongside Joshua, not instead of him), Mist (the only mounted healer in the game)... mostly girls, and maybe just because they're waifus. Never tried using Sophia, because she's a whole 'nother difficulty level, but I might give her a try. Might. Imagine if Rebecca joined the party in Four Fanged Offense! Also, I have a thing against prepromotes, even awesome ones like Pent and Louise. Why should I be stuck with a unit that barely gains any EXP? By the time I get there, if I train Rebecca hard enough, she'll be better than Louise, and somehow (in my mind) still get more EXP, despite both being Snipers!

[@declanmcsherry9368]

I really like to use Edward and Leonardo in radiant dawn, obviously Leo is a bad unit and Edward is just outclassed by zihark in terms of train time but I will always take Leo and Edward all the way to the tower just for the challenge

[@Cronos16842]

The bad unit i always use is Knoll. His base stats are bad and he joins so late but i'm inclined to use him anyway. For story purposes i think his supports with Natasha and Duessel are amazing, it shows a little more about the lore of Sacred Stones and that means a lot to me. As for his combat, i normally give to him the Metis's Tome to increase a little his growth rates. I also give to him the 2 body rings you can get throughout the game to increase his CON so he can use Nosferatu as a Summoner losing only 2 speed. I think its worth to mention with 12 CON as a Summoner he can use Luna without losing speed, and if Knoll has enough MAG and SPD he can 2 ORKO Lyon at the end of the game. Knoll can even 1ORKO Lyon if he crits and i think this is amazing...I don't think there's another mage in the game who can do that against Lyon. Even if Luna have low hit hate, Lyon is so slow thanks to his Naglfar that he will get doubled more easily and its also more easy to hit him even with Luna. And yes, i don't early promote Knoll. I grind Knoll to lvl 20 then i promote him to a Summoner. Even if he is not suitable for fighting, i thinks theres so much value on having a Summoner to summon a minion and lure one enemy, you can use staffs and you can cheap a little and get a kill here and there. If i'm serious about give favoritism to Knoll i even give him some speedwings and the Hoplon Guard to do some Nosferatu strats without worrying about his low LCK. Maybe i'm going to far for Knoll, but i'll always do that no matter what.

[@fireembros1165]

I think knoll is actually great. The hoplon guard nosferatu Strats is solid, but summoner alone would be amazing ability. He’s definitely a unit I use all the time!

[@BadAtFireEmblem]

Wait, you're telling me the summon-bot actually has a personality and supports 😮

[@Cronos16842]

@@BadAtFireEmblem Right? Thats crazy haha. Seriously, his support with Lute is a bit silly, its just Lute insecure around Knoll thinking he is better than her. I think his supports with Duessel and Natasha are more interesting.

[@slashspade]

Apparently people think Geese is bad. I don't see it. He comes with B rank axes and Hero Crests are fought over, but pretty plentiful in the beginning of FE6. A few levels worth of training can see him getting to use Armads by the end of chapter 12x when you get it, so he can be OHKOing the chapter 13 boss and the FoW wyvern traps in chapter 14. And Berserker is a fun class because 30 crit boost in FE6. If you wanna argue against him, then yeah, sure... Gonzales has better stats in hard mode because of HMBs but Geese won't be struggling with hitrate issues like Gonzales would be. I dunno. Pirate boy is fun to use.

[@Starwars-Fanboy]

I have to admit, I've never once used Geese but I think I'll try him out next time

[@SyRose901]

My favorite bad unit is most likely Lot(FE6). Two things, Lot is actually pretty speedy and is genuinely really good in the chapters you'd expect to use him, such as Ch2-6. He does not fall off unless your strength is really screwed. The other thing is that he overrides his skill issue by equipping bows on promotion. He'll probably be your best archer, since he is DURABLE. Warrior promotion gives him a whopping +8 HP, and he has the highest DEF growth in the game, he might cap his DEF if you go 20/20 him. Otherwise, he'll thrive with like minimum 50+ HP and 15+ DEF in the midgame, even before the Sacae/Ilia split. Warriors are actually pretty good in FE6, it's just that getting them is a pretty hard task, unless you really gun for Bartre. Promoting Lot is your next best bet. Lot(or Ward) even gives you a free speedwings if you use him in Ch.10(Bartre route). Lot is still not optimal, he has issues hitting his targets, even with a bow, because his skill is unreliably low at times, mine usually gets good STR and SPD but horrible SKL. It's like Gonzales, but no crit and instead you get a bow and good DEF. He did his job well in all my playthroughs, even getting to wield Mulagir at one point, and getting to 20 SPD at one point before Ch.14x. Pretty insane stuff. But yes, I use him every game, he's usually my main Halberd user in Ch.7.

[@fireembros1165]

I’m actually using Lot in the current Ironman and he’s putting in the work. His biggest issue honestly is just that he competes with people for the hero crest, which is highly coveted by units. Otherwise he’s pretty solid in his stat distribution

[@SyRose901]

@@fireembros1165 Stats are good, Bows are good in FE6, by all means, Warriors should be one of the best combat classes in the game, at least on the player's side. But alas, we have Rutger and a hero to contest.

[@flahautjj]

I feel the need to use every single staffbot a fire emblem game gives me religiously. The more useless the better. I always liked Mist because you could sometimes cheese her into getting a usable amount of strength with the way the bexp system worked.

[@broreece]

Garcia should go hero not warrior for speed promotion gains. Ross almost always prefers pirate into berserker

[@JulianneStingray]

Ross the Boss bad? No sir

[@fums63]

FE8 Troubadours only have 6 MOV, so L’arachel would still be kinda mid with better availability

[@JustsomeKid93]

Kinda normie pick but I like donnel. He’s so atrociously, almost irredeemably bad at the start, and most other training projects in awakening can contribute fine enough without too much babying. But man, I sure do love hearing “ding ding ding ding ding ding” like every. Single. Level. Like even robin will get the occasional bad level, but donnel always got the dopamine boost

[@FLITTLEFANATIC]

Honestly, I see the magic units in FE7 as the same units. Canas is better because you got that high base level meaning less investment to promote and extremely good promo bonuses while Erk does combat early on. Lucius is harder to use but if you want a staff bot he does it fine and he does come at a time where exp competition isn't high with Raven being the main competition. He does get C rank on promotion where the other two are stuck at E and need grinding but either way, they function the same since they all aren't going to be the best job for enemy phasing usually except in Living Legend.

[@mysmallnoman]

They don't really function the same where Lucius has massive magic and is way faster

[@FLITTLEFANATIC]

@@mysmallnoman Well in my opinion, that doesn't matter too much. Speed benchmarks (and stat benchmarks in general) in FE7 are low. You need about 11/12 speed to double most enemies in FE7 HHM's midgame, so Dragons Gate and such. For the other mages, this benchmark isn't that hard to hit. Canas effectively gets +3 speed on promotion with +2 Speed and +1 Con, since at base he has 8 speed and is weighed down by Flux when unpromoted by 1. That means only two points of speed and he'll hit doubling thresholds, but he can also double things with one point. Canas on average gets speed every 3 levels and starts at Level 8, meaning he should a point by the time you want to promote, which is usually as soon as possible in order to get started on grinding Staff rank and also because it gives him the speed he needs to double and one round. Erk hits this benchmark usually at Level 11 because he starts with base 7 speed with a 50% growth, but he does take notable investment to get there with 10 levels since Erk usually doesn't get to Enemy Phase with his poor bulk, meaning he'll have to take kills on Player Phase, which does notably decrease his EXP gain when compared to someone like Lowen, who usually reaches about Level 10/11 by Chapter 17. Lucius will get there by Level 8 while he starts at Level 3, so he'll probably get there the fastest if you haven't trained Erk. The next map is an excellent training map so Lucius can get the EXP he needs to reach doubling thresholds and be pretty competent, but remember, he has really bad defenses and it doesn't help his Luck is quite poor, meaning anything that attacks him usually has a chance to crit and OHKO him. It is also notable that Lucius is pretty underleveled at this point, meaning he'll get EXP faster but also he'll have to catch up to your units and it is notable when Canas comes in the next chapter at Level 8 meaning he promotes faster. The next notable speed benchmark to hit its around 16 so you can double Mercenaries, but none of them his benchmark anyway until late (Erk get's it in 17 Levels, Lucius gets it in 15, and Canas gets it in 12 levels after promotion) so the 12 speed benchmark is the one that matters the most, where there combat is most relevant since otherwise they all compete with Pent combat wise which is a tough unit to compare to late game since Pent has usually a lot more bulk than the other mages will have with the exception of Canas again, where its not as bad. The higher magic growth for Lucius is also a bit misleading due to how Lightning's might is quite low being one less might then Fire and two less than Thunder. If Erk has gained lets say like, 8/9 levels from Chapter 14 to Chapter 20 when you get Lucius, he'll usually have one extra point + the might difference between the tomes. When you use Lucius, that power difference will be caught up to but it ends up around the same until like, late game but otherwise its just not that important. A common theme with most of these units (except Canas who can take a few hits upon promotion due to his bonuses) is they can't enemy phase reliably, which is really important in FE7 and means they tend to take a bit of a back seat in earlier chapters where they chip until promotion where they can help combat or help by using staffs, but generally the main differences between units are Canas is less investment, Erk is around earlier, and Lucius gets to use better staffs earlier like Barrier straight after promotion, which can be notable for Genesis to help versus status staves. But otherwise, they fill the same roles. Sorry about the essay but I do find the differences between the two to be fun to talk about and it shows how well-designed they all are in my opinion.

[@mysmallnoman]

@@FLITTLEFANATIC keep ignoring my points

[@FLITTLEFANATIC]

@@mysmallnoman well you didn't read so tldr: speed don't matter they all double speed benchmark low fe7 magic don't matter they use light so dmg lower until late game where they don't do combat much anw

[@mysmallnoman]

@@FLITTLEFANATIC you still keep making garbage arguments

[@Jackraiden500]

I have to disagree with ross. Granted it's been quite A few years since I played sacred stones, but he was A menace as A berserker and crit massively, freakishly often.

[@michaelcaban1749]

Bro I'm telling you he is a monster in his own right. Able to walk on water and mountains for bonuses. High attack stat with Crits up the ass. Garm is a god sent for him. He is a strong solid unit. That's why I always use him and end up with a pretty strong Ross.

[@GameurBlais]

Bad units are the best units, change my mind

[@isuckatgaming1873]

I love to use the wolt and dorothy in fe6, and rebecca in fe7. Bows in fe6 may be good, but the 2 early archers stats hold them back despite that - and that makes them so satisfying. Because fe6 has so many good targets for archers, the reward for training them is often crazy huge numbers due to effective damage and access to brave, silve, and killer bows very frequently throughout the game. Fe7 rebecca i like to use for 2 reasons - she has a great support with lowen being dual fire, and when trained she can double fe7s well known slow enemies on a ballistae. Its not very useful - but is very funny. Dont like neimi in comparison. She has a couple good support partners, but i dont like using garcia, and would prefer not to pair artur and neimi since they're both squishy and dont really compliment each other. Furthermore, she doesnt have any real good targets for her bows - there are gargoyles, but unlike fe6 wyverns they arent dangerous enemies - later there are necrodragons, but neimi has to level up somewhere around 26-32 times in order to have the hp on average to survive a hit! The main thing thay is supposed to be satisfying is getting her to promote into a horse riding unit but fe8 decided to be the one game where non-paladins only have 7 move... thanks for the 5th unpromoted cavalier game.

[@themarauding]

It's Marisa for me, every time, every single time I play FE8, despite the fact I know she's crap, I'll still use her

[@Neogears1312]

Idk mist is your second healer in a game with SIX. Most needing promotion to heal, only 2 getting canto & when she joins you’re not getting another for a while. That’s worth the investment because she will be more flexible then Rhys while having a much better staff rank than a mage who will likely only use physic by end game. Saying she’s bad is really ignorant given the context of her game.

[@fireembros1165]

You still gotta Bexp her up to 10 or heal 66 times at 15 exp a heal in order to promote her to canto WITH a master seal. So 66 turns at a bare minimum if no Bexp. Even then, if your looking for range on staves, physic exists and Rhys has more than enough magic, but I also don’t really use him either. Soren/ Illyana has more than enough magic to promote as soon as they hit 10, which will be faster than Mist with a master seal, immediately have the same stave rank and perform combat with a weapon that strikes on the lower average defensive stat. That being said I do use Mist every time. She’s just not as good as the other options, it’s always a justification I attempt to make, when the other units can just do it more freely with less investment. Yeah sure, she has canto, but it’s really only for 1 range heals then out, which a physic can replicate from range. It’s nice to have, but not necessary.

[@austinhensley6553]

i think RD edward is the best bad unit in the series, you have 3 SS rank swords, 2 of the 3 are the best weapons in the game the 3rd is the highest might weapon in the game but 1 range only. ike is required stefan is ready to go on recruitment, not the strongest but definitely palatable. that means if you use all 3 ss swords you have to use one of edward, zihark, mia, meg, or makalov. RD absolutely hates paladins, meg just doesnt fit what you need from your sword user, mia and zihark are about equal in terms of usability theyre solid not amazing but solid with good support affinities. theres lucia too but if youre using lucia its a favoritism thing. then you have edward, by the time you get zihark edward is usually around level 12-15 and the only unit really contesting his xp is nolan who gets immediately replaced by jill. then you have 1-8 where jill is off doing her own thing where with diligence you can get edward to around 17-18 on hard mode then master seal him . where on average you have a unit now much better than zihark at the cost of nolan who honestly could be master sealed at level 12 or so buy him a crossbow get him a rank with zihark and your chapter 3 laguz map is covered with no investment anyway then drop him. 3-13 you will have a tier 3 jill and possibly a tier 3 edward or zihark, edward is strictly superior on average here because he has an actual luck stat and no longer requires the assistance of nolan who just doesnt have the stats to contest here. and if all else fails, you gave 6 full chapters of xp to edward and he turns out to just be not good you have zihark to replace him and you still didnt really miss anything.

[@jtalkalot19]

"Bad units" dont really exist for me. Its just units who i dont like using or NEVER used. Like Louis and Kagetsu from Engage and Seth from FE8. I use to play with Louis, then Jade came along and I've never touched Louis ever again. I hear Kagetsu is great, never used him. Sat on my bench forever. Seth is apparently a great unit. I know him as exposition man. I didn't know you can play with him. 😂

[@charsage1036]

Honestly ross is my favoritism character i always use. it also helps that chapter 3 is basically perfect for lvling him to ten you ain't gonna really hurt other units to by having him fight and kill 90% of chapter 3 enemies

[@jeremiahfranklin315]

Too bad he always gets speed screwed.

[@charsage1036]

@@jeremiahfranklin315 funny enough in my most recent playthrough Ross has enough speed to double most enemies though also funny enough every character with a low speed growth I used got speed blessed.

[@philbuttler3427]

I mean these games arent hard enough bad units matter that much

[@GamingTranceSeer]

Wendy? Is she the recruit? Or Amelia? I always attack or bench her. I'm just wanting to play the game not grind. Same goes for Ross.

[@gregorbonne9089]

I like using bad units to make the game harder

[@mysmallnoman]

Lucius, Geitz and Larachel aren't bad units lol

[@hunteraurzo]

Lucius is my favorite FE character, so I’ll admit I have some favoritism towards him, but I think you need to reevaluate Lucius. You’re looking at him purely on his role as a offensive Monk, but you’re ignoring his supportive role. Unlike other magic classes, Lucius gets C Staff upon promoting (which is also half-way to B) meaning he’s one rank away from Physic, Silence, Sleep, Berserk & Rescue which you can easily rank up by Barrier and Torch grinding. You mention why not use Lowen with a Javelin, but you can also use Lucius with a Barrier to save Lowen a turn and get Lucius weapon exp. This also means you can save your Pure Waters to other units, or to sell. His magic growth of 60% means on average he will be a better healer than Serra. With that high magic, you restore a considerable amount of Health, meaning you don’t need to buy Mend staffs. That’s 400 gold saved that you can invest into the Secret Shop in Chapter 19/20 that has Killer weapons. He essentially allows Pent to use his high stats more offensively since with his high magic, he can take the role of support off of his hands.

[@fireembros1165]

While I do appreciate his healing contribution and supportive roles, I don’t think the argument is in favor of Lucius even with that. If there is a another combat mage I would refer, it would be Canas. If there’s another supportive healer I would prefer, it would be Priscilla. Unfortunately, Lucius is in a bad position in which other units can just do BOTH his jobs in better classes. Canas due to dark magic shenanigans and Priscilla due to horse utility. What I mentioned about lower with javelin was basically that, Lowem with Javelin WILL one round mages because he hits on their defensive stat, which is usually horrible. Lucius may ACTUALLY struggle to kill some mages due to him having weapon triangle disadvantage, low mt weaponry and hitting on the stat that the mages usually have more of. Ergo, it is more reliable to kill the mages with Lowen, who can 1 round them on EP, then to soften them up and waste actions to clean them up on PP. Obviously there’s more than 1 way to play the game but I do prefer the consistency of another physical unit over Lucius

[@hunteraurzo]

@@fireembros1165 This is the interesting part, because in terms of Canas and Priscilla, its dependent on the map. While Canas is good combat-wise, his speed is 8 with a 35% growth, and Nos slows him down. Even with FE7 speed, Canas can find himself unable to one round enemies. Lucius is a different case, where he’s speedy but frail. Canas is better when you account that he will take damage on enemy phase, while Lucius is better if you account for terrain bonuses for avoid and Def. FE7 maps are varied where terrain can either to consider or barely be there, so their combat utility varies. I do think while Canas is better combat wise overall, Lucius has supportive options that barely needs investment. Canas being supportive exists, but it’s much harder to do. You’re essentially using Canas for his offense while Lucius can do both, with his offense being more situational. Priscilla has movement, but her magic is lower. Since she has no combat options as a Troubadour, promoting her is longer unless you promote early, but you can also miss out on magic growths. That not only effects her healing, but her range for her staffs. Lucius having a C rank that’s half way towards B just by promoting means he can catch up fairly easily in both offense and support. Also thanks to Lucius and his high Magic and Res, he can avoid status staves easier, which can be a problem at lategame. They both have their uses, but this is where map consideration comes in. FE7 maps has a lot of choke points, where one spot is where players will typically place their units and have them control over. I’d argue that for Priscilla, the one extra move isn’t the biggest deal that people make it out to be. For chapters like Chapter 16 & 26, movement is king. Then you have Chapters like 21 & 24 where you’re mainly waiting in positions. This doesn’t mean movement is suddenly bad or useless, but ask yourself: Did you really need that 1 extra movement? This is one of the reasons why Oswin is a good Armor Knight. It’s not just his stats, it’s that the map is designed where he can actually reach enemies and fight them in the first place. Cavs are great because it’s not just strictly their Mov, it’s their multiple combat options as well. A handful of times I’ve counted where it was much better to heal a unit to full than 1 Mov and vice versa. You can essentially let other units last longer on enemy phase because of Lucius and his supportive options. They have similar roles but play them differently. Also I get Lowen was just an example, but I don’t think he was a good example of your point about one rounding considering his speed isn’t amazing. I do also want to answer the question of the Shine tome. Yes, it does help Lucius one round. You said it yourself that you wondered why Lucius was always so close to killing, well the Shine tome does help him reach the threshold to kill. The issue is terrain, as Chapter 21 is really the only map where Lucius can take advantage of terrain, while Chapter 22 you can argue Lucius doesn’t want to kill so you can go to Chapter 22x. Overall I disagree that he’s a bad unit. Personally, bad units are units I’d consider to be the “designated bench warmers”. Just because another unit performers a role better or preferably to your play style doesn’t necessarily mean that the other unit is suddenly bad. Take an Iron Man for example. If Canas and Priscilla died, would you still not want to use Lucius? A bad unit would be someone like Karla, because even if you lost enough units to deploy her, her stats are so terrible that she can barely do much without heavy investment. You can argue that she’s not even worth deploying at that point, hence she’s going on the bench. If a unit has something meaningful that can be used to be helpful in a battle, than I’d argue they aren’t a bad unit, though I understand that’s just my perspective and it’s may or may not be yours.

[@fireembros1165]

@@hunteraurzo I'm not gonna go into the Canas and Priscilla because I can see you value it differently if you don't prefer Canas' combat and don't think the +1 move on a healer is a better option, which is fine. Different strokes for different folks. However Lowen is a fine example of how people overrate Lucius. Let's take the average Lowen promoted at lvl 12 and the average lucius at lvl 12 (just in case we want wiggle room for more stats or whatnot). On average: Lucius offense looks something like 14 Magic/14 spd, which is pretty solid. Lowen has roughly 11 Strength/11spd. Looks less right? Javelin has 6 mt over lightnings 4. Which brings their offenses to basically 1 point difference between each other (with lucius winning). But here's the kicker. Let's say you wanna use Shine.. it weighs Lucius down to 12 spd and now there's only a 1 point difference in spd between both. What exactly is Lucius doubling that Lowen isn't with 1 less spd? If Lowen's spd isn't amazing, is Lucius spd just mediocre? And if they're both doubling, with the average defensive stat for mages being lower than the resistance one on average.. Lowen just outright guarantees kills. Even in chapter 21, with the monks everywhere they have about 9-11 res vs 1-3 def. This repeats (albeit lesser gap) for druids and mages in general. And let's face it.. Lucius CANNOT enemy phase reliably. His luck is too low for it, his dodging REQUIRES a terrain and is again, a %chance. Lowen just uses pure water and voila. 10 Res on enemy phase. 13 Def with a ton of Hp for bulk. Again, I use Lucius everytime and I like him a lot, but there is a huge disparity between what I think he's doing, and what's actually happening IMO.

[@hunteraurzo]

@@fireembros1165 Uhrm, I think I wasn’t clear on the Lowen example. I’m not saying you’re necessarily wrong, I agree with you in a few areas, I just think you could’ve picked a better unit to emphasize your point better because you’re comparing him to a cavalier, one of the best classes in the game, and as a unit Lowen is better than most give him credit for. Lowen by many is known as the Cav Armor Knight, so he’s considered a low speed unit, but on average he will be faster than people give him credit for. You were essentially comparing Lucius to a character with a marginally higher bar, when personally I would think comparing him to a unit like Oswin or Fiora would’ve worked better since you can discuss level, class, growths, join time that can be factored in that would’ve helped your point out more, but that’s just me personally. Also for your example at Lv12, Lucius has 12 Magic/14 Speed and Lowen has 10 Str/10 Speed on average. so you actually gave Lucius more credit than the average is lol. But yeah, we have different opinions, and I do like seeing other perspectives.

[@fireembros1165]

​@@hunteraurzo I wrote promoted, so i factored in the bonuses for them! I should've been more clear that I meant BOTH promoted.

[@Kilo6Charlie]

Amelia (FE8)bis a horrible trash unit who comes way too late with bad promo options (unlike Ewan who comes LATER SOMEHOW) with way too many good alternates in a game where SETH EXISTS. But I can't not use her. It's so much fun to Zero to Hero her and Generals are such a fun class if you don't care about turn count. Their animations are fire, just below Swordmasters and Lyn, and I just love using her... Another thing to add to Mist (PoR), she's a completely unique class in FE9! Nobody else gets her niche, and she's a great carrier of Magical Swords, or if you get Strength Blessed, a mage killer. I can't help it, unique class go brrrr Though by far, I think my fav "bad" unit is Colm (FE8). Yeah yeah sole Thief utility until you get Rennac, but I ABSOLUTELY love the gimmicky Assassins, their animations are top tier, and Silencer is SO COOL. I ABSOLUTELY blame Jaffar and his amazing soloing of his Recruit chapter until his weapons break and you heroically come in and save him. It's so cool and Assassins have been one of my fav FE classes since, only beaten out by Mages in general (especially Shamans) and Halbrediers (I blame Nephenee's amazing first showing)

[@SweaterPuppys]

One of my favorite bad units has to be Fiona, mainly because she’s not as bad as people make her out to be it’s just that maps in FE10 are not friendly to cavs-at least not the maps she’s available on

[@joshuabonesteel2303]

She gets doubled by way too many units. It just makes her really hard to use. Not as bad as Meg, but she is definitely not the best of the dawn brigade.

[@ness6099]

So in the context of Sacred Stones I wouldn’t even call Ross a “bad” unit. Sure in a vacuum the extra levels and promotion gains only make up for him starting behind others, but just hear me out on this. You guys already established that Ross doesn’t really struggle to kill early game units, he just does it slower. However, his contemporaries also don’t do so much better than him against those units on their own. Besides Seth, no one is usually one rounding without a crit anything stronger than a cleric or generic soldier for various reasons, so you need to gang up on guys or soften them up on Enemy phase a bit. Ross might need an extra hit to make them extra soft, but that’s not that tall an order. That combined with a unique promotion path that will USUALLY result in him having exclusive use of a promotion item (two promoted “warriors” is much better than a rogue or assassin in mid game SS), a crit bonus, and so many levels means that even a bad Ross will probably end up in your top 12 units. Garm also carries him against the Demon King, since he will not only probably have the highest crit and damage with it, but it gives +5 speed so against the Demon King’s 19 speed he only needs a pitiful 11 speed to not get doubled and a plausible 18 speed to double the demon king himself. That pretty much covers early, mid, and endgame and like I said, I think he can always justify a slot in the top 12 with decent effort, but you also can just drop him with no cost to you. The unit I always always ALWAYS use is Mia. No, not FE10 Mia, which I’ve argued before here, but FE9 Mia. At least on Hard mode, I don’t find it that hard to get her to contribute. Forging a +5 Iron sword for her seems wasteful when Boyd and Oscar will use those forges better, but early on you aren’t burning through a forge a chapter usually. Before her forge though she’s immediately useful with the armor slayer in the chest like 8 tiles from where she spawns. That won’t solve her forever and won’t get her to one round those enemies usually, but her first two chapters have a LOT of armored enemies, and she’ll be able to double and chunk them down as well as Soren and probably better than Boyd unless he’s strength blessed, but I play on Fixed mode. Part of that also means it’s easier to target stats for growth, so it turns unreliable growths into reliable ones you can focus on. She’s a unit who scales off exp and modest cash, meaning she does have a path to contribute more without competing for a resource everyone wants badly (at least early on forges aren’t THAT in demand). Vantage with her crit bonus for free also means she can face down a few enemies with a high crit weapon and potentially avoid a hit every other unit, just saving you momentum. As for maddening mode… never tried that, but I can also argue that she’s just as important as Marcia on that mode!

[@wolftoadi]

Ill mention fe7 rebecca here. However while id agree that on paper she seems badish and archers arent great in an enemyphase focused game like that, i never had a rebecca that hasnt turned out to be a god. So i personally dont consider her a bad unit especially in hector hardmode. Also...Rebecca>>>Rath

[@generalforsythe3944]

Geitz is actually really good and a lot better than Wallace though. Sure the requirement is stiff but fucking look at Karla's requirement and how shit she is. This whole list is terrible because Ross really isn't that bad (compared to Ewan and Amelia, he's the best trainee unit in fe8), L'Arachel isn't going to get you any hate because they nerfed Troubadors massively in fe8 (their movement got nuked). Amelia should be here because she actually gets use from the memes around "Amelia is good, she kills everything and doesn't die" or Dorcas because "What happened to Dorcas"

[@fireembros1165]

Sorry you didn’t like it

[@hadoukenfighter]

I've used just about every person on this video, its really fun to try to use weaker characters and its a damn shame this doesn't exist as much in Modern FE. My favorite bad units are all in RD, there's just something about how bonkers the end game gets that makes using these low tier messes even more worth it.