The WORST units in Fire Emblem (All Games)

[@dimik6745]

let's be real, the worst unit in fire emblem is you, the player

[@aydengarcia9073]

Self projecting?

[@dimik6745]

@@aydengarcia9073 i could never!

[@darkdragonmedeus705]

Mark the tactician from FE7 doesn't fight.

[@dimik6745]

@@darkdragonmedeus705 yeah he's terrible!

[@AzumarillConGafasBv]

Thanks, Shozō Kaga

[@Yarharsuperpirate]

Legit surprised you didn't list Anna for 3 Houses. She has no supports, bad stats, bad growths, and her skill affinities basically force her into underwhelming classes. Her only contribution is giving you paralogue access which has some good items to grab.

[@FireEmbros]

@@Yarharsuperpirate Anna has some very interesting tech, which is, if you wait to recruit her after timeskip she comes with absurd bases because she levels as an enemy thief. It’s super niche but really cool and kind of redeems her in terms of her output

[@darkdragonmedeus705]

@@Yarharsuperpirate I agree, while 3 Houses basically has no bad units per say. Ashe can actually become amazing as a Wyvern Lord or Bow Knight. And Casper feels built to be a War Master albeit Felix far outclasses him at that.

[@burra007]

@@darkdragonmedeus705 That makes Casper a bad unit, a REALLY bad one. As you wrote, Felix outclasses him, but he also starts with poor survival skills. His low HP and speed is were guilty of many resets due to his constant deaths. And this is coming from a casual normal difficulty player.

[@darkdragonmedeus705]

@@burra007 Disagree. Caspar outclasses Atois and Gilbert. Also, he has still turned out to be a solid unit on Silver Snow Maniac Mode. He has a healthy balance in his HP, Strength, Dexterity, and speed. All the brawling classes in general are really good. Gauntlets are the only weapons that cannot be triangle picked + they grant so many buffs to evasion combined with them behaving like brave weapons. Being subpar with an easy S rank unit doesn't lower you very low, at worst, he is still C or B rank.

[@Mir-d3k]

@@darkdragonmedeus705 Gilbert, I could agree on, but Alois is harder to argue Caspar as being better than imho.

[@hadoukenfighter]

Seeing Marisa on here reminded me of my recently failed FE8 ironman where Marisa died from axe units due to having only 18 speed...on promotion...

[@FireEmbros]

[@Mir-d3k]

OOF

[@myselfalex15]

I have to disagree with Marisa since she always does me justice but I have to say Knoll especially with his very bad luck growth stat.

[@Mir-d3k]

@@hadoukenfighter oof

[@Mir-d3k]

@@myselfalex15 Tbh, the recommended strategy for Knoll is to promote him to Summoner immediately. His low luck doesn't mean anything when he isn't gonna see combat.

[@something1558]

Marisha just being base Joshua but basically worse in every way really have me be questioning the balance in these games sometimes

[@MidwestArtMan]

I end up playing Marisa anyway because Joshua considers killing a kind, unarmed Natasha on a coin toss, and Marisa has the coolest palette in all of the GBA games.

[@butteredsalmonella]

@@MidwestArtMan Joshua 100% rigged that coin flip lmao.

[@Sgticecube]

Marisa is also hot

[@ewsdw7505]

who cares. I can understand if it's another FE, but FE8 was balance around grinding so you can literally level her up the minute you go into the tower. It's not Intelligent Systems fault you guys refuse to use the tools they gave you.

[@obiwancannoli1920]

​@@ewsdw7505 well, let's compare them. Joshua joins in Chapter 5, Marisa joins in Ch.10 (Eirika) and Ch.12 (Ephraim), both being a lvl 5 Myrmidon. Joshua has higher bases and growths on every stat except luck (both base and growth) and defense's growth (by 5%). Marisa is still worse than joshua on average if you grind them both up, with Marisa joining 5 chapters later. Joshua has a cool hat.

[@Zev95]

The worst unit in all of FE is the unit that You (the reader) like best, clearly. Yes even that one.

[@theburningfalcon974]

As a ashe fan this hurts me at a spiritual level...

[@NoneyahBusiness-cd5ow]

Seth fans:

[@nakitakurusu6886]

No it can’t be donnel is the best boy

[@nakitakurusu6886]

Don’t tell me jean is trash too and ross also

[@aprinnyonbreak1290]

Damn, I can't believe (your waifu) was trash all along

[@Speedwinghere]

Donnell does have the mild benefit of super high luck and arm thrift so you can at least train him with forged weapons at less of a cost than most others and will outpace the rest of your army after the initial pain of getting him going. Also eventually if you're looking into taking a team into the DLC like apotheosis he can hit the funny number where his weapons stop degrading at all which is kind of nutty. I don't think he's particularly great but if you are willing to put up with it the return is pretty notable. Setsuna has some of the best critical quotes in the game which has to be worth points (right?) The irony of Setsuna is if she was in conquest she would actually be pretty good honestly, she's just in the wrong game. She does have the benefit of being able to pass quick draw and certain blow to the male characters which Takumi can't, although those skills are more valuable in rev than in birthright really. If nothing else she has a pretty free access into kinshi for ferrying and decent enough backpack stats, so like you said post awakening no unit is truly bad really as you can always find a way to use them in some form Jade is trying her best, mage knight jade sweep (ignore every other viable mage knight). Congrats on 2k man, well deserved for the amount of effort you clearly put into your videos, see you at 3k soon!

[@segafreak2000]

Honestly, nah. If you are already throwing DLC into the ring for Donnel, then everyone can hit that 50+ luck required for a 100% activation rate on Armsthrift (because of Limit Break). That does not make him special.

[@Miedeth1]

If we're talking crit quotes, my vote has got to go to Frederick in awakening. "Pick a god and pray" is my favorite crit quote.

[@TheNachmar]

I will always remember the first time I beat Birthright, with my girl Setsuna. Garon launches into his whole bad guy speech and Setsuna replies with "I'm bored..." and murders the fuck out of him

[@vapiddreamscape]

Donnell can also give his kids aptitude which w a galeforce or pavise/sol wife can absolutely crank his progeny

[@gameregression539]

I think it's funny that Anna was even in consideration for the worst unit in engage considering she one-shot sombron during the enemy turn in the final chapter for me.

[@markos50100]

I almost always have anna as my first s rank wife playthrough. The little gremlin anna carried my playthrough of engage as well.

[@gameregression539]

@@markos50100 It was her and Framme for me. Framme was hitting people for over 100 damage most of the time and Anna was hitting twice on almost everything

[@amnora]

@@markos50100 bro same, my Anna was at some point even stronger than my Alear and was one-shotting everything she touches (paired with Tiki)

[@VikTimmy]

The only reason someone would consider her for worst unit is if they never tried classing her into magic classes, she has no business doing anything with her axe fighter base class with her stat growths, but she will dominate the entire game for you if you make her a mage asap

[@acerbusthedarkenvtuber5684]

@@VikTimmy As someone who has experimented with Warrior Anna, man did leveling her first as a Berserker with Tiki help. She can definitely become a powerhouse, but it's a pain.

[@celestialspirit9064]

Actually crazy how hard they shafted Jade with her recruitment timing. Walked into a promotion drought immediately followed by a skill drought from chapter 10 😭

[@FireEmbros]

It truly was the double whammy of all time!

[@dracotias]

@celestialspirit9064 it's even worse if we include doing the DLC early as you then get Madeline as an already promoted Axe general and is just a pretty solid unit as well as another axe character in Nil who also just so happens to be a dragon giving him bonuses with multiple emblems etc

[@Rennnix]

I still remember my Hero-class Donnel 1-man army an entire map with Sol. I always saw Jade as a powercrept Louis, armors are good in Engage and their movement can be patched with Sigurd's ring, at least she has better Res than Louis, so she won't be 1-tapped by mages.

[@hanzou1238]

That's why you send Louis Griffin. He keeps the high defense while patching up his Speed and Res, not to mention also gaining access to staves for support.

[@neat3655]

ye kinda crazy he put Donnel in Awakening as worst unit meanwhile Jean in Engage feels even worse

[@minecraftman5509]

@@neat3655 Jean isn’t the worst because he has a CRAZY Mag stat, and can genuinely one shot people in later chapters. Unfortunately, it takes an extremely long time to do this and if you’re playing Classic and anything besides Normal, it’s a bit difficult to keep him alive.

[@itzgladgatorgonegladitzmad9701]

@@neat3655 Qi Adept is an easy enough class to train in. Simply keep blocking when possible which is not to hard. Then reclass him and he will do decent. By no means actually worth the investment but still viable to train without much hassle or change in game plans if you aren’t going for super low turn counts.

[@nigini6092]

In what UNIVERSE is Sophia worse that Wendy. Yes this is a trash vs Garbage situation but Wendy doesn't offer you ANYTHING. The guiding ring is optional, but it's SOMETHING. Wendy, instead, is absolutely worthless

[@mauricioalvarezpino1818]

@@nigini6092 Wendy can help in killing Leagance by giving Barthe or Bors the triangle attack crit. Is it useful? No. Is it really funny? Yes, and that's all that matters sometimes.

[@themarauding]

What do you mean you don't like the armour knight who can be trashed and one rounded in her join chapter?

[@Mir-d3k]

​​@@mauricioalvarezpino1818That's assuming you haven't already benched Bors, which you likely have because Binding Blade is one of the worst games for armored knights, and that you get all three in position, which is likely gonna take eons.

[@kirua258]

Well, there is the fact she HAVE to be either Carried (so she make an unit worse because of it) or have to navigate through the Fog of War (and with Wyverns free on the map... Yikes.) is a SERIOUS problem. Also Triangle Attack could be used (Not the greatest argument but it's not nothing). I prefer someone who does nothing better than someone you HAVE to protect (because she need to be alive to go to the chapter 14x) and does still nothing, hindering your group because of her.

[@nigini6092]

@@kirua258 doesn't matter, since the guiding alone is the "reward" Compared to Wendy whose only "reward" Requires you to field two other horrible units in Bors and Barth

[@MidwestArtMan]

I consider Hayato to be the worst in Birthright. He joins at level 1, at the end of the chapter, when you already have Orochi. On top of that, I think he has the unfortunate join time of being the guy who pushes you over the deploy limit if you haven't lost anyone, meaning someone gets benched for the first time next chapter. I have never given him a single EXP point. I've never seen a video where someone looks at which character joins on the first "bench someone" chapter in each game. It would be interesting to see how much play time they usually get and who is often the first to sit out.

[@FireEmbros]

@@MidwestArtMan you gave me a great idea, so thank you for that. I might very well explore this idea about, who’s the first unit to get benched? That’s some interesting food for thought

[@aprinnyonbreak1290]

The second staff user, and second thief would be interesting characters to look at, too. There is, of course, nothing ever stopping you from using two, or more, and yet

[@yichlyichl4204]

@@aprinnyonbreak1290 I tend to use at least two per army, though as soon as any classes that could already fight get staff access anything that uses staves exclusively jumps to the top of the "likely benched" list

[@theleftfootedsultan]

BR Hayato is very similar to CQ Mozu; terrible in their base class, but provides an extremely unique role more or less instantly after a heart seal. Oni Hayato is one of very few Hoshidans that can genuinely tank physical attacks, and the only first-gen other than Corrin who does so using tomes. Getting him there takes a bit of investment, of course, but there’s a whole side of chapter 14 begging for a Pike-Ruin Club wielder with decent bulk, which he is at base after just twenty swings of an axe. His accuracy can get EXTREMELY annoying in the lowest-skill class in the game, but fortunately he has enough offense and bulk to usually get away with a forged bronze tome rather than, say, a Horse Spirit.

[@hanzou1238]

​@@theleftfootedsultan you have Rinkah though who is already in that class and while she doesn't do well with magic she still hits hard enough

[@GreyBokoblin3]

Karla is the worst unit in Fe7, because she is a pain to get, and kind of sucks.

[@shade4759]

@@GreyBokoblin3 I mean, comparing Karla with Karel or even Guy is a joke.

[@kylemanocchio5044]

Who thought New Mystery Of The Emblem Bantu was a good idea?

[@Yarharsuperpirate]

Over correction from his SD self Alot of characters in direct sequels tend to suffer from this, if they were insanely good in the first game. They get over nerfed to beyond useless.

[@yoel9396]

To be fair, half of new mystery's roster sucks to a varying degree

[@bificommander7472]

I actually really relied on Ashe during my Maddening run. Deadeye shot was one of the ways I could chip at enemies and not get hit back.

[@buddyjesus10]

I've always been a big believer than Fiona is much worse than Meg. Meg starts behind but is only 2-3 levels from being productive and if trained up can be pretty valuable in part 3 due to her solid mixed defenses. Fiona's bases are so awful that many enemies threaten to one round her and it's difficult to train her up because her accuracy is so miserable. She has the better endgame, but at that point you have a ton of options. I don't think her being a cavalry unit is worth that much cause so many of her maps are indoors or have significant amounts of cavalry hampering terrain.

[@aprinnyonbreak1290]

Agree. Niether is going places, but, with the resources you do have, Meg makes much better use of them than Fiona does. Meg, bad as she is, actually has real niches within the Dawn Brigade, that she can step into with a bit of investment. She can actually really help through some of the worst parts of the Dawn Brigade if you give her a chance. I don't think I have seen Fiona ever pay off for the Dawn Brigade, and is always taking the place of someone much more capable if you try and force her to work for endgame.

[@dilly28]

Hell she can at least shove and block a Tiger which is far more than Fiona is gonna do on pretty much any playthrough. Endgame isn't the whole game and you can make an argument with the Royals that Endgame is easy

[@hanzou1238]

Fiona does come with a free Savior skill which can be helpful. Being able to rescue a support partner and get their bonus while not taking the rescue penalty is great. When I did a run using only the Dawn Brigade in the tower she was much more helpful than Meg. Picking up Sothe gave her 30 avoid which made her practically unhittable

[@kirua258]

@@hanzou1238 Actually, she's so much absent it's not even funny. I tell this as a Fiona Enjoyer but she's available litteraly 5 chapters before part 4. 8 Strengh, all chapters she's in, her only advantage is a bane (Move), even her okay speed is down because she have not that much strengh. To be fair, her not farmed battle aptitudes are so horrible, having a malus for saving someone is... not that important. She CAN be great, i'd be the first to claim this but... She'll never be. Meg can hold a chokepoint on the laguz chapters, her bases are enough for this. Fiona cannot do anything remotely close to useful without favoritism. Also, Trained Fiona and trained Meg aren't that differents, Trained Meg can be really good too. But Meg is easier to make there than Fiona.

[@Saltyoven]

Lyre is worse than both though IMO. Wendy at least has opportunity to be good through an early enough join time and utilizing bonus exp. Fiona at least can be used to reposition other units. Lyre has nothing. Her only purpose in use is to steal exp to prevent part 3 units from getting too strong.

[@Lee-vj2mi]

Always love to see my girl Lysithea lingering in the background of a blue lions run.

[@SultanHardin]

While i'd probably agree with most of these, I was actually blindsided by the Forsythe pick. I'd agree he has a difficult time getting the ball rolling, but I find to really only last until he promotes (just into Knight). And while sure, he competes with Lukas, the openness of Alm's maps I actually find to work in his favor, as I could have him tank one side, while Lukas tanks the other flank. I feel like his growths lead him to feel a bit less of a traditional armor: he gets more speed and res, while sacrificing a smidgeon of defense.

[@FireEmbros]

I answered someone else this too, but it’s hard to actually gauge who the worst is in SoV. Since there’s no deployment slot competition and everyone can do “something”, it really came down for me to which unit has the hardest time doing that something and Forsyth just personally felt redundant. I really like his character though and his palette is wicked ahahah!

[@Nexusspeeth]

I love Ashe unconditionally, but he definitely feels like they thought “oh, we need a BL archer” and slapped him in there. I still love using him, due to his strength in axes and can easily become a cavalier, sniper, or wyvern lord, but you do have to put a ton of work into him.

[@Hamantha]

12:21 okay but hear me out… he’s a cinnamon roll

[@Hamantha]

He’s literally babie and I will not accept criticism towards him

[@sansfangirl4life439]

as someone who plays blue lions a LOT (fave route in the game xD) i love making ashe either wyvern or sniper/keeping him as archer just because lol but to each their own x3 great video!

[@ikecampbell2221]

@@sansfangirl4life439 Ashe blindsighted me ngl. I thought it was going to be Cyril or Caspar

[@sansfangirl4life439]

@@ikecampbell2221 yea same! i don't play on high difficulty or anything, so maybe that factored in this list, which is fair!

[@AshenDust_]

@@ikecampbell2221 Cyril is an amazing unit, he has Point Blank Volley for Chapter 5 and great boons and growths.

[@ultrayoshi100]

When i did a 3 Houses playthrough for my mom Ashe ended up being her favorite character so i deployed him often. But, he would get incredibly stat screwed on his level ups. To the point that him saying "Is this some kind of joke?" became his catchphrase because he got 2 stat ups on his levels constantly

[@TroyYoung-e6v]

Nah, FE10 is totally Fiona. Fiona is either indoors or on a water map for the first 4 playable chapters after recruitment (prison break, swamp rescue, Fort Nevassa, river crossing). Indoor cavs have movement reduced by 2 and horses cannot cross water terrain at all. Meg is super hard to use, but at least you CAN baby her into a competent unit, but even trying to use Fiona is actually impossible. Thank you for saying Marissa in FE8, lol.

[@fen6300]

I have to disagree with Meg. Fiona sucks more, because cavs in this game are hard nerfed. They can't go up ledges, which is a huge disadvantage on certain maps. She uses lances, which has weapon triangle disadvantage against axes, when they're at their peak in the series. Meg comes with a critical negate skill, while Fiona has savior, which can just be transferred to someone better. Meg's growths are bad for an armor knight, yes, but she can use the BEXP mechanic, and max out everything. In endgame, she doesn't have a lot of competition for Alondite, while you might want to give the Wishblade to an other lance unit (Nephenee, Oscar). Sure, she's bad, but the finality is that I could make Meg work in some runs, and I never managed to for Fiona.

[@FireEmbros]

@@fen6300 I usually think about HM RD so the weapon triangle doesn’t exist and Fiona’s utility in being a savior bot becomes more useful than megs combat. Hence my choice, but yeah, I agree if combat was the sole factor, Meg at least has some bulk at base to deal with stuff.

[@aprinnyonbreak1290]

I'd also note that Meg is actually helpful if you do train her a bit, while Fiona never really is. Meg with a bit of training is a valuable bit of resilience to the Dawn Brigade. Not good, but a niche filler of a desperately needed niche. Fiona, by contrast, does basically nothing for the Dawn Brigade, and isn't on par with anyone you'd actually think about otherwise.

[@hanzou1238]

Typically Mia would want the Alondite and she is much easier and more worth it to train than Meg

[@fen6300]

@@hanzou1238 the point I'm proving is that Meg isn't the single worst unit in RD. Sure, you could put Alondite on Mia or Zihark, or even Stefan, but the Wishblade can be equipped on so many more units that are better than Fiona it's hard to keep count. And now that I think about lance units, Danved is really bad in FE : Radiant Dawn

[@thericeknight]

I disagree too, as I have given Meg a chance in one of my runs, and she did very good. A durable and speedy tank that can also proc skills. Fiona on the other hand... I also gave her a chance but she's really bad. Savior is the redeeming factor but I rarely use rescue anyway, so it's pretty useless for me.

[@tricky2795]

Fe6: IMO Wendy is worse, Sophia can at least grab desert items with the Desert Trick with unrestricted movement on the Desert, that's more contribution than Wendy ever does outside of memes. Fe7: Karla, not only does she require another bad unit to be trained up, but she is also bad as a unit with 1 range lock. Fe11: I might give it to Bantu from my H5 experience: can't reclass, can't use forged weapons, requires you to save a village in C5 to use, which makes the map harder in an already very busy map, it's easier to let the Firestone village be destroyed, you can't even sell the Firestone so the only reason to save it is to use Bantu. But to be fair, Radd sucks too, probably the last unit you would give your Master seal in a game where Master Seals come quite late (First Master seal is in C10, and two more in C12 and the 4th one is all the way to Chapter 16) So basically, Bantu: a potential short term unit that makes C5 harder to secure his Firestone vs Radd, the worst unit for free that can still reclass

[@nick3805]

10:38 I would rather nominate Clive as the worst Unit in Shadows of Valentia. True, Forsyth does struggle with his low Bases and needs some Effort put into him to become good, but in a Game where you can take all of your Units into Battles even in Endgame (save for Dungeons) that isn't nearly as difficult. Forsysth has 10% more ATK and 15% more SPD than Lukas and isn't nearly as affected by the Slowness of his Class as his red Counterpart, he might even double frequently enough. His lower HP and DEF Growths don't really matter due to the Growth Bonuses of his Class and also it's Promotion Bonuses. Clive, on the other Hand, faces more Competition with Mathilda and Zeke joining later, both with great Bases and great Growth Rates (especially Zeke whose lowest Growth sits at 45%) while Clive has the Bases of an early Game Unit and not really at all the Growths to keep up, with his only Growth that is higher than Zeke's lowest, being HP. Clive has decent STR Growth, but is just as slow as Lukas while not profiting from a high innate DEF Growth or DEF Class Bonuses. Likely even before you obtain Zeke, it will be hard to get anything done with Clive even in Normal Mode and he will be rendered entirely obsolete by his stronger, faster, and more defensively capeable Counterparts Mathilda and Zeke (and even Conrad when the Parties join up at the End). Forsysth at least has the Niche of being a much more offensive-oriented amored Unit which sets him apart from Lukas (and later on Valbar) and allows Uses the other (two) can't provide, as he is harder to get doubled and might land a few Double Attacks himself. With Clive's sole Niche is being a high Mobility Unit in early Game which is of little Use due to the limited Map size of SoV and also because he isn't a Jagen and has early-Game-Unit-Stats he is not able to go ahead on his own, meaning that despite the higher MOV, he'll have to advance together with your other low-MOV Units in Order not to die. As for Ashe, I have to say that I have been particularily lucky with him. In my 11 3H Runs, Sylvain consistently got RNG-screwed, meaning that Ashe was to jump in as Wyvern-Rider Replacement. His Stats were mostly okay, but not out of the world-level good either, but it worked which couldn't be said for most of my Sylvains.

[@zarekthompson5071]

Congrats, nice to see a new vid, 2K is awesome

[@IrishCoffeeGaming]

Congratulations Fire Embros Keep Up The Good Work

[@moonyume.]

It just speaks for 3 houses that in every playthrough i have used ashe..... anyway i dont know the name in english but he always crits with the bow that gives crit and he saved my first blue lions playthrough

[@benchico4444]

Promoted Meg in endgame is passable. Lyre is much much much worse

[@fatrat9021]

this was so surprising to me, Ash did so well in my playthrough as a pure archer classes focus.

[@lunanacomet]

Anna is a WMD in Engage and is almost mandatory in Maddening, wild for you to say she has problems (except if you keep her in axe fighter instead of leveraging the obscene magic stats), but Jade, I agree. Honorable mentions for my worst unit candidate (on maddening) would be Alfred for having a damage reduction skill which is either win-more in lower difficulty or too unreliable in high difficulty to matter, Lapis for having pretty bad damage even with stat investment, Celine for the 900iq gimmick of split str mag growth on a unit that is skewed towards magic with no defensive spread to hit in melee to make use of said spread stat, and uhhhh Boucheron because his name is funny

[@LiveFromTheAsylum]

Another detriment to Wallace: You only get his chapter if your Lords have a combined level of 49 or lower. Which, sure, sounds like it's high, but you're about a third of the way into the game at that point, and you even get your first promotion item for one of the other two Lords literally a chapter or two later and may well be able to use it right away. It's actually harder to get the chapter for Wallace than it is to get the other one.

[@commbruce]

This is crazy. Forsythe was my tank in SoV but I used the DLC broom to change him to a sword class and with the resistance on the last promote he could one shot just about anything and survive. Several maps was just me teleporting him to the boss and killing it. As far as Engage goes, I misused Anna in my first playthrough (as did I Jean), in my second Anna (and Jean) were my two most valuable units who didn't say 'Zappy'

[@DavisG603]

Congrats on 2k my man. Well deserved!

[@FireEmbros]

@@DavisG603 thank you bro! You’re next!!!

[@TazmaniacYT]

Great video thank you

[@Gamenut5555]

I think the answer for 3H is Gilbert. Only available for the back half of one route and is largely average in terms of bases and growths. Is there anything he can do that you aren’t already doing?

[@FireEmbros]

@@Gamenut5555 Gilbert is basically a free rally def and shield adjutant right off the bat. He’s also relatively close to great knight and has no noticeable banes to prevent him from reaching it. He also can stack prot like a mofo and just have a lot of enemies TINk into him with solid authority rank. He’s got a lot going for him, it’s just that people don’t really usually use the pre promos in 3H and stick more to the students so some obvious qualities are missed out.

[@riennerabbit]

Nice video man! When I played engane I actualltyused Jade as my tank vs the more commonly used Louis. I struggled a little bit with her but I thought she was overall alright, was pretty surpirsed when I found out a lot of people considered her mid/low tier! I actually ended up running Anna as a hero class in my first run too, since I actually didn't realize she had terrible strength growths at the time. Surprisingly, she was incredible at being that class, especially with a radiant bow 😂 on my second play through I did use her magic stat properly and turned her into a mage knight.

[@FireEmbros]

@@riennerabbit yeah the units in engage can all be “fixed” and put in the work and that’s actually one of my favorite things about engage. It doesn’t make a unit unusable and there’s always a way to perform some role/function!

[@corpussakahagi2116]

Funny thing is, Atlas got salvaged in Echoes due to the Mercenary line being able to promote back to Villager once at a certain level in the last tiers of the Mercenary line.

[@lanceknightmare]

Atlas is the worst of the Dread Looping units. The top three are 1st. Kliff, 2nd. Saber, 3rd. Kamuei. He does have a small niche when you first get him.

[@fangjustice]

"On this list, there will no doubt be someone's favorite" *Me preparing to see Nino on this list*

[@Mangs1337]

Congratz on 2k, well deserved. Thought I'd give my opinions on your picks. *Spoilers for the video below* Fire Emblem 1: I agree with Jake, as Ballisticians are so bad in this game, Beck is a contender too. Fire Emblem 2: Atlas is bad for sure, but another unit which is often overlooked for its awfulness is Nomah. While Atlas can grow into something with enough patience, Nomah will never amount to anything. He joins mediocre, and just gets worse as the game goes on. Utility-wise, he can heal, but his spells are nothing special, you have at least 3+ units that can use the exact same ones he can at this point during your playthrough. Furthermore, he's super slow and super frail. At least if they had given him some cool utility spells he could have served a nichè, but when you get him he's literally just a bad spell-caster with non-existent growths. Fire Emblem 3: I agree with Roshea. Joins so late and most remaining maps are in-door maps. Terrible unit. Fire Emblem 4: Arden is a big meme, but I would argue that some of the substitutes in Gen 2 can be worse. Patty's substitute character Daisy is so bad that she struggles to hit things to steal. Even getting her through the first arena enemy is a chore. She's a thief that sucks at thieving. Fire Emblem 5: Agree on this one, there is literally no scenario where Robert stands out or contributes. Fire Emblem 6: Hard agree here as well. Sophia is completely useless. Even when trained, she's not that good as her growth rates aren't even that high. Fire Emblem 7: Once again I have to agree. It's a shame, because if he joined a little earlier Wallace could have been of some use to those who lost/did not train Oswin, but by the time he joins, he's not able to tank at all. I think Karla might be a contender due to her awful recruitment conditions and low availability, but Wallace might just be terrible enough to outshine her. Fire Emblem 8: Always found Syrene to be awful as she joins so damn late with terrible bases. I don't care if she flies. Fire Emblem 9: Rolf is pretty bad, but I think a contender for this spot could also be Mia. Fire Emblem 10: I think Fiona deserves this spot more than Meg. Meg can be trained, Fiona is terrible even when trained and has even less chapters to grow than Meg. You have to Glare-abuse her for her to even work, and even when you do that she's not that good. Fire Emblem 11: Radd is bad, but I'm gonna have to say Lorenz here. By the time he joins, his defenses do not hold up and he can't even do the one thing he's supposed to be good at. Fire Emblem 12: Have to agree again, Bantu got done dirty in this game. Fire Emblem 13: I don't have opinions on Awakening. it is the game I care the least about when it comes to unit viability. Fire Emblem 14: If allowed, I think Rev Gunther is a contender for this, if not, I agree with Setsuna. Fire Emblem 15: I think Forsythe doesn't warrant being on this list, I think maybe Luthier is worse, as he just gets outcompeted by so many other units, but I may be wrong here. Fire Emblem 16: I have no idea what makes a unit good in Three Houses because I'm not connected to the metagame, but I always found that Gilbert offers nothing new by the time he joins. Fire Emblem 17: One of the biggest disagrees. Jade has some potential, and her PRF is actually somewhat useful as it patches up her one weakness, mages. A unit that has absolutely nothing going for it is Bunet. Bad bases, bad growths, garbage skill. Easily the worst unit in Engage. Great video, congratz again!

[@maskolino3533]

​@@Mangs1337 FE11 Lorenz can silver bow spam on the next maps with wyverns which is definitely a better niche than Radd Quetz will ever have.

[@FireEmbros]

I thought about Nomah for gaiden too, but i'm a big contender for bases over growths kinda guy, so I think that seeped in abit in my analysis of units. FE4 I didn't consider much of the kids, so I'd probably have to revisit that to be frank. The substitutes probably are in a worse position than Arden to some degree! Bro. Bunet is the best cook ever. He can't be worst unit just on that alone! ahahahahha! But no for reals, the reason I like bunet is that he's not in a bad class to start with (even if his stats are kinda low) and he can do a really tech and niche thing later on in the game with Favorite foods and Seconds? that's pretty cool. Gimmicky, but somewhat fun!

[@ChillstoneBlakeBlast]

Daisy isn't bad. Just give her a Magic sword and she does her job as stealing gold. Abusing miracle numbers with Daisy is a ton of fun. Her Strength offense is garbage, but FE4 enemies don't have a ton of RES

[@oof5992]

>Rev gunter >Worst What have you been smoking? GK/ Wyvern Pair up + Flight + Near instant Rally defense in a route where you get 2 early heart seals for free and can buy 2 more. He obviously does fall off rather quickly combat wise but his support utility will remain useful all game until you get other units to fulffil any of the many roles he does, which is far more than you can say for units like Rev Flora, odin or any of the late kids. Even if you never intend to make him a wyvern, GK backpack/ Killer lance poking is useful enough until you get units to replace him, including being your only source of shelter until Silas realistically. Even if he was worthless he would still be in the same game as Rev Effie, who's basically a worse version of him at base haha.

[@luthierisbestboy8177]

Luthier isn't bad! 😭 Give him some extra speed with the Speed Ring and the fountains, and he'll be fine.

[@tomsciler6304]

You have a good list, Axomm. You make a good case for each unit on why he/she is on the list. Congratulations on the 2000 subs!

[@FireEmbros]

Thank you so much Tom and for always being around too!

[@jamestopfaff]

Super happy for you buddy!

[@RisingSunReviews]

Congrats on the 2k. Some of these would not have been who I'd put, or at least not at a first glance. For Path of Radiance, I liked using Rolf my first time playing him, and him using bows was something unique he brought for a few chapters. For Radiant Dawn, I can't argue about Meg. This is one of the things that frustrates me with Radiant Dawn, is that they have multiple armies, all with characters I want to use, but because they have so many different parts, they didn't give a lot of chapters to any one army. This made it harder for training projects to get up to speed where they could really pay off. Congrats on the 2k subs, looking forward to more Fire Emblem content.

[@FireEmbros]

@@RisingSunReviews thank you and I look forward to putting out more good stuff! For RD I really wished they had done slightly better balancing, because a lot of units either fall in god tier good or just absolute garbage and it’s rough to enjoy a balance like that sometimes!

[@domdollahyt]

Congrats on 2k! W list

[@FireEmbros]

@@domdollahyt thank you so much!!!

[@DillonMagreveous]

There is no way you ranked Donald below the 2 trash cav

[@jordandaigle6227]

I'd say Fiona is worse than Meg. You'd think being a cav would work but she's only deployable on swamp maps basically... Plus Meg can survive at least one hit in her join chapter.

[@GameAW1]

The only reason I'd disagree with Fiona is because as a cav, she can rescue and gtfo. Its about all she can do. Lyre needs to depend on RNG and her skill kicking in to do any level of damage and has the cat gauge. Otherwise every enemy to her is the Black Knight.

[@aprinnyonbreak1290]

Meg also has better short term ability if you do train her. She reaches "acceptable" levels of bulk pretty quickly, and this is actually something the Dawn Brigade desperately needs, especially in part 3. She's not exactly "good", but, the Dawn Brigade as a whole isn't good, and Meg with a bit of investment is a surprisingly big help. Contrast, Fiona does nothing. She will never pay off during the Dawn Brigade, and while she has theoretically more potential as a later game unit, she'll never actually be on level with anyone actually good, and will always be taking the place of someone much, much better.

[@dilly28]

@@GameAW1 Lyre is terrible true but you can sorta salvage her with stat boosters due to laguz getting double value. Then she's stuck smoking weed all game and still being mediocre but still it's arguably easier than getting Fiona rolling

[@GameAW1]

@@dilly28 I can confidently say that's not the case unfortunately. I did a run on the easiest difficulty and did all I could to get her as capped as possible, giving her all the babying a unit could possibly get. She struggled to damage even the mages despite the double stats. The girl is better off being a regular house cat unfortunately

[@jordandaigle6227]

@@GameAW1 The problem with Fiona is that she really can't even rescue reliably because half of the maps are swamp maps, where she can't even traverse at all. Can't rescue if you can't reach the unit you want to rescue.

[@ghostslyone]

Yeah, Marisa is pretty hard to keep alive, but she was also the Assassin who got the One Hit Kill Crit against the Demon King in my run. I won't deny, she required SO MANY TRIP through the training tower to get to that point!

[@Donlot_]

Huge congrats on the 2k subs bro! Now onto the video topic since i disagree with some of the placements: FE6: While Sophia is a close competitor, i think Wendy takes the spot for worst unit. Sophia at the end of the day gives you a guiding ring, but even if you don't count that, you can theoretically train her to level 10, earlypromote, and have a staff user who still reaches ~25 magic at 10/20 (with a possible +5 from apocalypse if you bother getting her dark rank up). Making her a nice extra support unit with a huge healing amount and staff range. Considering she is low level, she gets exp very quickly, even if her hit rates are not good. Having magic helps her not take deadly counters. Wendy on the other hand sucks at base, and keeps sucking even after you train her considering her growths are on par with Bors while having much worse bases, appearing much later than him, and needing to be trained in the axe heavy western isles, where most enemies one round her at base. The single 2 things that Wendy has going for her is the fact she has some of the quickest supports in the game, and she is needed for the Armor triangle attack, which you barely end up using either way in my experience. FE9: Mia is slightly worse. While rolf is not good, his growths are alright, the triangle attack is nice to have later, and he has a bond support with Oscar and Boyd for 10% each, and Shinon for 5% later on, giving him free +25% crit whenever you need it. Alternatively +20% crit on Oscar or Boyd if all 3 are close. He is also the only unit other than shinon who can use the Double Bow later on. And lastly, Deadeye is actually a phenomenal skill, setting enemies to sleep for 5 rounds, effectively completely disabling them with ~25% chance later on. Rolf can also still be useful even at base if you say forge him an Iron Bow for the Boat chapter with the ravens, or just train him a bit till he can use the steel bow. And he'll always be useful against fliers, or atleast stronger than Mia thanks to effective damage. Even if it's not that much. Meanwhile Mia, may appear a bit earlier, but she needs strong more costly weapons to even do significant damage later on, with an awful occult skill that barely does more damage, and eats through your weapon durability. FE10: Hard disagree. Meg is bulkier than eddy while ending up with around the same offensive stats after some leveling. He does catch up to her in averages after promo due to the god awful general speed cap, but she's not as bad as people think or say. Am i saying she is better than eddy? No. But she certainly is better than Lyre, considering she can contribute if you lost even a handful of units in the dawn brigade, since they frankly just don't get all that many. Even if it's just shoving around a bit here and there or playing lure to get you time if you didn't bother training her at all. Lyre on the other hand come at a time where she is outmatched, outleveled, and simply not needed because you have more than enough other much better units lining up to fill the ranks whenever someone dies. While she does benefit a lot from stat boosters, those don't make her any less worse to train. She struggles to kill even the weakest units while transformed, is useless while untransformed, and needs severe tainting to get ANYWHERE, even IF you give her a stat booster, because she gets little to no exp. Meg atleast can be trained quicker and relatively normally after just a level or two, or be more useful at base for the aforementioned reasons. FE13: Vaike is clearly much worse than Donnel. Don't think we need to argue that. FE14: I like setsuna so clearly you're wrong.

[@FireEmbros]

YOu might be on to something in FE10, I do think I might've been a little too harsh, but I do think the Laguz are overhated. If anything it would be Fiona competing for that spot IMO. Sophia is... rough man ahahahha and I like her as a character, but as a unit it's just so so difficult to make her work. But yeah, she can be a big magic stick. FE9 was a tossup between Mia and Rolf, I just think the lvl 1 thing in maniac mode is a death sentence due to how much BEXP or babying you're gonna have to do. For better or for worse, Mia can at least have an easier time killing mages.

[@Donlot_]

@@FireEmbros Fiona is really good once trained, even if her earlygame is utter garbage. Earth Affinity and the relatively high amount of deployment slots in the Dawn Brigade means you can pair her up with Nolan, Zihark or Volug for up to +45 Avoid at A rank, and all you need to do is bring both units. Imbue + Savior + Earth Affinity means she can essentially become an unkillable ambulance, and she contributed more than anyone else (apart from maybe her support partner Volug) in the Tower for me. Her Lategame potential is immense. That's more than meg or Lyre could ever dream of doing, even if it takes a heap of investment to do.

[@Scotts_GamingWorld]

Good Job on the 2k subs my guy! keep it up!

[@FireEmbros]

Thank you so much!!! I’ll keep the grind going!

[@zswords]

Hmmm,to give you some engagement on my 'huhs': Meg Over Fiona is a crime. Both are useless and screwed by Radiant Dawn unit allotment, but, Meg if developed, at least gives you return on investment and has the silly niche of Ikea BK. Fiona is just.... bad. Setsuna over Subaki suprised me, but I guess Subaki is just being carried by 'no flier can be bad in any game with rescue/pair up by virtue of being an uber' and Jade, though I do think she's fine, did surprise me over Lapis, Boucheron, or Bunet. I'm guessing chain attack mechanics keep the fighters at least, on the radar, but Bunet is... 'hey what if you just immediately gave Jade a master seal 4 chapters after recruiting? Yeah I'm worse than that' if I remember bases right. Overall though, very reasonable choices, though I feel like this video could of used more depth to it for sure, like, its a solid list, but, not enough 'why' across the board.

[@vao519]

i actually did make a Super Donnel and it wasnt that hard for me because i got super lucky with growth and he always got alot every level up

[@matthewkuscienko4616]

That's................literally what he's most known for (other than armsthrift) lol

[@hyperm8]

I thought for sure Bunet was gonna be the worst in Engage, Jade surprised me. Also congrats on 2K!

[@FireEmbros]

@@hyperm8 thank you so much! Yeah I’m a bunet enjoyer. I think he got a bad rep he just couldn’t shake but he’s not nearly as bad.

[@Vanndril]

@@FireEmbros I'd use Jade over Bunet any time I'd have to choose between them. Jade has an interesting potential niche as a simultaneous DEF and RES tank as Mage Knight that pretty much only she can pull off as well as she does. With a proper build, she can end up surprisingly tanky against all damage.

[@nachohangover5104]

Bunet at least doesn't eat a precious early master seal, unlike Jade. He's still bad though.

[@aprinnyonbreak1290]

Jade has more potential than Bunet if you use her, but Bunet has more immediate use with no expectation of long term return. There are universes where there are units on your team worse than Bunet when you get him, that can be replaced by him until a better replacement comes along. Things are looking grim if this persists more than like two chapters, but two chapters of more or less capable, free use is better than Jade, who doesn't start good at all, needs investment to get there, at a point where investment just got harder.

[@FireEmbros]

@@aprinnyonbreak1290 Yeah that's precisely my logic. Bunet, for better or for worse, can do something at base and isn't that far from the GK lvl 5 which his defenses get a significant boost and you can do some lucina shenanigans with it. Overall he's just ok for free, which is better than costing something IMO.

[@ceruleanvoice3538]

I would've put Lapis because she is immediately outclassed by Diamant and Kagetsu soon after. Her personal also reduces her crit rate which is the opposite of what you want for your +30 crit corrin killing edge.

[@chachuma5284]

I thought I was safe from a favorite character being named, and then you hit the jugular with Ashe. Ashe is ussually a main unit for me, its hard to not have him redeem his foster father and he has a great relationship with Petra (she's the best unit in my opinion, nothing hits her) For me, Casper is the worst.

[@HeyImWilla]

In my playhtroughs, my worst unit is me because I make some stupid decisions at times 😅

[@tedley70]

I'm a little surprised youo went with Marisa in Sacred Stones, butI supposed I can get behind that. I freaking love the trainees: Amelia and Ross have always come up to be outrageously capable, top-tier characters, in my experience.

[@KitsuneVoidsinger]

I do still find it funny when i see people argue anna in engage being bad. Jade is just sadly existing in a game that gives you better tank units but anna... it does take some invetment. And especially maddening where grinding is unlocked a lot later... isnt easy. But when she no class growths included has 50% magic, dex, and speed growth. That alone is worth the respec even if admittedly awkward at where you get her. You put her into sage and that magic growth becomes 80% which in maddening is 8 guaranteed growth points per ten levels. 100% if you have the dlc and tiki which when paired with her speed and dex is... honestly kinda insane xD Jade however... i mean, pannette exists. Her passive means she wants to not be at max. Put ike on her and she becomes tanky, WHILE also dishing massive damage and crits in the process. Jade just sadly doesnt get a real chance to shine as sadly theres just someone who does what she tries to do but better

[@PH_777]

I don't think Arden is the worst unit in Genealogy of the Holy war. Arden has issues but he can train very easily in the Arena, and there is plenty of maps where he can contribute, he might take 2-3 turn to kill a pack of enemy but he won't die anyway, he can even one shot mages, since he can contribute on enemy phase to me he is much better than a lot of other units that can only kill one unit on player phase. Beside him i think you always picked a bottom 3 character for me.

[@FireEmbros]

I do think that perhaps one of the sub kids is the only one that can beat arden in terms of bad IMO, but part of me didn’t use Arden in the arena either because I wasn’t pairing him with anyone, but I can definitely see his value as a parent to pass on the gold plus vantages, and the physical bonuses, so there is that going for him.

[@Mudlink]

Pretty good list here, you especially opened my eyes about Robert because I always forget he exists (granted outside of Selphina that entire group is horrendous). The only one I'd disagree with is Donnel mainly because it is pretty easy to get the ball rolling with him (mainly by trapping archers in his join chapter and once he becomes a merc or fighter he gets quite a big boost). If anything I'd have said Ricken is the worst unit but that's immense bias on my part, I've never got him working.

[@nachohangover5104]

Here's the thing... There is only one second seal before chapter 15 in Awakening. If you give it to Donnel, not only are you dragging him kicking and screaming through E lances to level 10 just to reclass... he's making it so nobody else can reclass for a *long* time *and* he's stuck at E weapons again.

[@dilly28]

@@nachohangover5104 Plus Donnel has cursed seed despite being a farmer

[@lucaskincanyon7393]

-1 SKILL AND SPEED?? HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE WHAT??? 7:43

[@FireEmbros]

@@lucaskincanyon7393 I asked myself the same question when it comes to balancing ahhahahha

[@whiteraven562]

I would've given 3 Houses worst character to Anna since she doesn't get any supports and thus can't get any of the buffs from being near allies. And she also takes up a slot that could've been used to unlock more support conversations between your units that you actually care about if you bring her into combat

[@sorrythisisathrowaway4585]

Manuela is worse than Ashe imo Ashe at least can be in your party from the word "go". In that time you can get him into a physical class or a magic class or whatever you want. The fun thing about Ashe is his flexibility, even if he's overshadowed by most classmates. Want a mixed class? Ashe learns physic and isn't the worst dancer pick. Want air support? There's nothing holding him back from wyvern. Want an archer? He's ya boi. You have to wait quite a few chapters to grab Manuela. When you do, you get a full mage... who also has a reason bane. Really mediocre spell list, barring warp, which you WON'T get without heavy investment (especially when Lysithea, Hapi and Linhardt are right there and have had much more time to grind). Can't really reclass her to physical because her strength growth isn't great.... yeah...

[@FireEmbros]

@@sorrythisisathrowaway4585 I actually really like Manuela. Solid spd to avoid doubles on maddening from a good plethora of enemy units, warp and ward but really, the most underrated, silence. It’s actually really good for a couple of maps. She also has hex blade which is nice with higher forged weapons. I don’t know, I kinda really like what Manuela has to offer. Poor Ashe though, guy is in a rough spot lol, Jack of all trades master of none, but I guess what really irks me about him is the abysmal strength. It’s just almost unsalvageable.

[@oof5992]

@@FireEmbros Silence also gives a lot of fixed exp iirc, i remember my manuela going above the maddening exp curve using it.

[@FireEmbros]

@@oof5992 yeah silence is really good to have on a unit for sure

[@MerlinCross13]

It's DLC so I'm not sure it should count but I lugged Jade around and found her completely fine on my hard mode Engage run; but she was also sporting Tiki's ring most the game. Which kinda turned her into a monster. I also had her drop out of knight and go into Fighter/Warrior for bow access.

[@bandelby5365]

Pre Video: If i see any of my Husbands on this list, i will riot

[@bandelby5365]

WE CHEER MY HUSBANDA ARENT USELESS!

[@FireEmbros]

Ahahhahahahha glad they dodged the bullet!

[@hgnbfc2]

In my initial run of Valentia, my Forsyth was unreasonably good. He kept getting speed for whatever reason, and my endgame he was sitting at around 13-14 and wasn't able to get anything but dread fighters and gargoyles. I had a similar thing happen with Oswin when I first played Blazing Blade, where he could actually double even Myrmidons and Swordmasters in the late game when they carried heavy weapons.

[@FireEmbros]

@@hgnbfc2 blessed oswin do be wild ahahahh. It does help that fe7 enemies are so slow and weighed down by everything!

[@addambarcelos]

Congratulations for the 2K, man o/. Also, florina dodged the bullet so I'm happy with that xD

[@atianamathisa]

On all of my numerous SoV playthrough Forsyth always managed to overshadow Lukas (despites my best efforts to keep Lukas strong) so I dont really understand how he can be considered as worst unit when well... Atlas exist

[@VikTimmy]

Anna in engage is a freakin beast, she just needs to be in a different class with her stat growths, which favor magic despite her starting as an axe fighter. Make that change asap and she can carry the entire playthrough for you.

[@FireEmbros]

I did a whole playthrough documented with an analysis video on Anna and how she's pretty good going into late-mid to endgame, but her performance at early game is atrocious, and her midgame is worse than a lot of alternatives that just do better. Basically, to me, she's not worth the investment with other alternatives more readily accessible with just as good of a performance.

[@hanzou1238]

I'm not going to say you are wrong about Forsyth however for some reason every time I do an Ironman of Echoes he somehow becomes the MVP of part 3 on Alms side even when I don't out of my way. 5 res isn't bad at base and he joins tied with what is probably the highest defense at the time. That res lets him do fairly well against the early magic users and on promotion he gains enough defense to wall most physical attacks for a while and he will always have the res advantage over Lucas making him better later on. I would personally say Conrad since he joins late in Celica's route and can basically do nothing with all the swamps. The 3 whitewing sisters just take any use he would have as a mounted unit and do it much better since they fly.

[@FireEmbros]

Yeah Conrad is in a rough spot, but his res is actually incredibly solid for a cav unit at that point which is impressive! I feel bad, because I don't feel that any unit in SoV is truly "bad" especially since they don't compete for deployment spots, so I guess the truth is Forsyth is the one I felt has the least use IMO.

[@Darkster45]

Really would have never thought of Jade as the worst unit for Engage. She was a powerhouse in my run and one of my most dependable units, i gave her Ike and she could basically tank anything. Really the only times i can remember her dying were from unfortunately timed enemy crits. I thought for sure he was houng to say one of the early route guys like clanne, framme, etie, or boucheron. Idk maybe i played the game wrong but she was like a top 3 pick for me.

[@oof5992]

Setsuna is a pretty bad pick when taking in mind her Rev performance, i'd honestly choose Flora as the worst unit because she just doesn't contribute much, either joining in a route full of enemy capturable maids/ great staff users of your own, or joining extremely late in Rev where even someone like a instant promoted Azama can do her job, especially with the 3 dragon vein cost for her in a route where dragon vein points are competitive. Setsuna in BR is godawful i agree tho haha. Yukimura would be a good pick due to his awful availability but he's just very solid in BR. This is without counting any of the children like Siegbert or Ignatius who have extremely hard recruiment conditions. Also congrats on 2K

[@FireEmbros]

@@oof5992 Flora was in my radar, but recruiting her late can give you a pretty solid rank staffbot with magic shuriken, so I couldn’t see myself putting her below Setsuna. Having access to staves at base is just really really good and will always server a purpose in fates I feel. But I agree, it was tough for me to decide too

[@matthewkuscienko4616]

For me personally, when talking about Birthright specifically, I think the worst unit in that game (and I know this will probably be a controversial pick, so just please, hear me out) is Shura. While he's not entirely unsalvagable thanks to stuff like the sol ninja build or being able to contribute as a berserker backpack, they both require a heart seal to use, and the former build is pretty high investment for such a lategame unit: seeing as you need 2 heart seals (one for hero, one for master ninja or mechanist), 3 levels in the hero for sol, and either 20 uses of a shuriken or an arms scroll to get him to D rank so he can proc sol. The berserker backpack, at the very least, doesn't actually require any level ups if you don't care about anything else, though it does seem like an unfortunate waste of that class, especially when you consider that he's the only unit in Birthright that actually gets the berserker if you don't have the fighter talent for Corrin, and it's even worse when you consider that the class is more than just a glorified backpack. If you don't want to reclass him for some reason, not only do you have Takumi (amongst other units) that can use a bow, and if you take heart seal classes into the equation, you're actually pretty spoiled for choices when it comes to bows -- especially when the mechanist is arguably one of the best classes in Birthright (albeit not for any reason that involves their bows). And the last point about how many bow users you have is made arguably pretty moot when you realize that Birthright is FAR less friendly to bow users than the other 2 routes of Fates, with this being one of the primary reasons why Setsuna sucks so badly in Birthright. Speaking of Setsuna, the one saving grace she has is the fact that she's available way sooner than Shura, so as bad as she is, if you really want to use her, you have pretty much the entire game to invest in training her up; I do disagree with the point of her supposedly not being bad, though: her bases aren't anything special (even for as early as you get her), her growths in everything barring speed are mediocre to bad, her low strength and defense hold her back from preforming well if you decide to reclass her into a ninja (which is also a major opportunity cost for your first heart seal), and again, bows aren't good in Birthright -- and even with all this going against her, the simple fact that you have her for the majority of the game AND that she has supports with units that aren't exclusively Corrin are more valuable than anything that Shura can provide. The biggest problem with Shura in Birthright, in short, is that he's a very lategame unit that needs considerable investment to do anything of value because his starting class uses the worst weapon type to have in the game, and there isn't even really anything that he can do that other units that join before him (which is basically everyone else) can't

[@oof5992]

@@matthewkuscienko4616 Great Analysis and I have to agree with you on BR Shura. And yeah BR Setsuna sucks, but her Rev version is really good.

[@eb.3764]

If they didn't waste that one chapter with just Micaiah and Black Knight and given us 2 more levels, levelling up Meg and Fiona would be much easier

[@okdude503]

Congrats on reaching 2k subscribers, It's nice seeing new creators in this small FE sphere.

[@FireEmbros]

@@okdude503 thank you so much!!

[@tomascarreno2332]

ashe carried me in blue lions, love my guy

[@danielpatterson1576]

I really don’t understand how Anna would even be a consideration for worst unit in Engage for anyone. There are too many video examples of people getting her to promotion in 1-2 maps in Maddening, and once she hits promotion she is immediately one of if not the strongest nuke in your army and will stay that way for entire game. Very low investment relative to basically the biggest return in the game. Not to mention she is basically your best source of income, which you’ll need if you want good refines and more seals. The only thing I can figure for why anyone would have a problem with her is that the player hates mages for some reason and refuses to put her in Mage Knight.

[@FireEmbros]

I actually made a whole video about how much money she makes during a playthrough and… it’s not a lot. You can go watch it to reach the conclusions, but… it’s not as much as people actually believe. Anna also is not “one of the strongest nukes in your army immediately”. As a matter of fact, her 10/1 averages are comparable to clanne, which is 1 less magic than her but 2 more spd, or Citrinne, which she has 4 less magic but 1 more spd. To make matters worse, Anna only surpasses clanne in a noticeable amount of magic around lvl 10/10 but never quite matches his speed. Basically the effect that happens with Anna is confirmatory bias. Sink a ton of resource into her, she performs well, ergo she must be a good unit. When in reality, all those resources can go to other units and there are more readily accessible/less resource draining options, that can perform functionally similar to her at many different points of the game. She is never the best at anything. Early game loses to Citrinne, mid game to Pandreo, endgame to veyle. Always loses to clanne in spd basically barring very very endgame stats.

[@danielpatterson1576]

@@FireEmbros I really don’t how you get Clanne to remain comparable in the magic stat unless you’re using fixed growths, because out of 5 different runs using him, never once has his magic been able to keep up past chapter 11. Clanne is terrible in magic classes without being overleveled or getting fixed growths, he’s just objectively better in physical classes, and you’re just wasting his potential and his utility by keeping him in a magic class just so you don’t have to use Anna. And while she might end up with only 1 more Spd than Citrinne at 10/1, she will immediately outclass Citrinne upon gaining any levels thanks to her far superior Spd growth. As someone who loves Citrinne and uses her on every run, she literally only competes if you have Dire Thunder or massively overlevel her, orherwise she won’t double anything but armors, and she won’t kill anything she can’t double. Same story with Veyle. She very late, by that point your Anna will almost certainly have comparable magic and far better Spd, and with Veyle having low base Spd growth, she’s never going to have the same consistent firepower that Anna has unless you reclass and overlevel her. Veyle will otherwise be nothing than a chip damage to help other units grind xp, and you’ll already have several of those, especially if it’s a maddening run. As for Pandreo, yes he does beat her technically in stats. But my question is, if you’ve already got Anna leveled up doing the job, and they end up with similar stats when he joins, why invest in another nuke who’s just gonna do the same job? Or rather, why not have both, especially in maddening where you need all the firepower you can get? Finally, as far as resources, Anna only really needs Micaiah. Everyone in your army is gonna need seals at some point, and Anna makes an extremely strong case for your early game seals. And most of your other units are either combat units or abusing Chain Guard for xp, so really, who else are you gonna give Micaiah to in the early game besides Anna or Jean? Those are the two who get the most value out of Micaiah, and Anna is arguably the more useful.

[@FireEmbros]

@@danielpatterson1576 Yes, you use fixed growths, because fixed growths is how averages are calculated anyways and when discussing units stats, you go by averages, not by random level ups usually. She doesn't "immediately outclass" citrinne. Citrinne has 4 full magic points lead (so basically 8 damage) in a point in time where her spd is enough to double everything that needs to be doubled and you just get the lyn ring shortly after. Whatever NEEDS to be doubled, CAN be doubled by mage knight for the "most" of the solm arc. This doesn't hold true roughly after chapter 16/17. Also this MASSIVE speed lead is 3 points by 10/8. 3 whole points in spd for anna vs 3 whole points in magic for citrinne for lvl 19 internal basically. Also base veyle, reclassed to mage knight, wins in EVERY stat barring HP and ties for magic against a 10/20/1 Anna. Every. Single. Stat. Base veyle. She joined and you just second sealed her. No micaiah, no levels, no growing. Base Veyle. Imagine if instead of investing experience and resources into Anna, you just used pandreo who was just free and saved all those experience and resources for another unit that didn't require them? Or, even better, spread them throughout most of the units that just required a slightly push so that the average level snowball would be higher versus the enemy? The whole "anna only needs micaiah" is really the crux of the issue. Anyone can use micaiah. Literally anyone. It doesn't BELONG to her. It's like saying, she deserves all the exp fountains or all the stat boosters, or all the kills. Celine can use micaiah and snowball, citrinne, chloe, ANYBODY can use micaiah and snowball, but even better, any one of those i mentioned can use micaiah and STILL do combat without having to be relegated to a staff bot that gets 1 rounded by the majority of enemies at that point the game. Again, it's confirmation bias. Anna does scale well into endgame, but she requires a massive resource dump but it doesn't feel that way because engage is well designed to make every unit usable, which is great. But ignoring the competition for the early master seal and second seal, the level differential between her and the rest of the army. The NEED for micaiah (not the want, the NEED) to then get a unit that does somebody else's job worse for every portion of the game is a rough sell for me.

[@danielpatterson1576]

@@FireEmbros it’s really not confirmation bias, but we’ll just have to agree to disagree. My entire point with Micaiah is that while everyone can use her, not everyone needs her. You only have one, so she should be used on someone who gets the most from her snowballing utility, not someone who’s already going to keep up from combat xp and would do better using the limited combat rings in the early game. But again, this is a difference of perspective on how we view the value a ring can provide and how to best use that value, so we can just agree to disagree on that.

[@lspuria8440]

Of you've ever wondered what it would feel like to play a fire emblem game with all these bad units, wonder no more and play Fire embad. This is a fe6 hack that replaces all of the units with bad ones from the entire series.

[@FireEmbros]

ahahhaha damn this sound amazing!

[@nagabulu7055]

My setsuna was actually insane for some reason she just loved to crit constantly and was one of my best units

[@Vfanatic1]

I call shenanigans in Michah not being worst RD character given if she died it's game over yet she's a mage with no double cast potential

[@VeXJL]

I don't hate the Setsuna pick, though I do feel like there are worse units out there, particularly in the second gen. Selkie for example needs Kaden (who I also consider to be worse than Setsuna) to get to S-Support, and is damned at base cuz she starts in the godawful Kitsune classline. At least Setsuna starts in Archer so the path to salvaging her is clean and easy since Archer is a ranged class with good skills like Skl +2 and Quick Draw. Basically like Mozu w/out needing a Heart Seal.

[@FireEmbros]

Fates is so tough to rate, because there are x,y and z niches units can occupy, even if momentarily, as a backpack, or for a specific role in one or 2 maps. So it was really hard to pick one. I guess it came down (for me) to who would I least miss? Selkie is rough, I thought about Kaden too, but he does have effective against cav and that's kinda almost always nice. His bulk is deceptively solid too.

[@Mir-d3k]

@@VeXJL "the path to salvaging Setsuna is clear" miss!! MISS!! miss!! miss!! MiSs!!! DOH I MISSED!!!! In layman's terms: Poor damage and poor accuracy are a losing combination. And remember, Yumi hit rates suck donkey balls. Honestly, the fact Setsuna is so bad despite being an archer in a game where archers don't suck is damning...

[@Thunderation13]

Meg is better than Fiora because turn 1 shoves are more useful than rescuing when every map after she joins has something restricting cav movement potential. And both are better than Lyre because deploying them doesn't prevent you from deploying someone else who will actually contribute.

[@slanax]

I'm gonna bat for Meg here. She and Lyre both need a lot of babying to get going, but if you do that with Meg you get a fairly tanky unit in the army that really needs it for their defend and defend-adjacent maps and if you do it with Lyre you still have a laguz that has to deal with gauge and doesn't have 1-2 range. (granted I don't know how well that scales into the highest difficulty but both of their combat comes out to an effective 0 contribution on Hard so does it really matter) also the biggest trap in FE isn't actually Donnel. It's Engage!Anna's personal skill. No, random youtube Engage guide spitballing High Priest Anna to max out her Luck, it doesn't make you money. It refunds you the two seals she took to be useful, eventually, at a point in the game when money is no longer relevant. Imagine actually following a guide that tells you to do High Priest Anna, painstakingly training her through the earlygame and trying to feed her kills for her 3% base chance, and then when you *finally* get Byleth for Arts proficiency and you can start the *real* money farm- oh wait the game just gives you 40k gold for free at that exact point. It's like the devs did it on purpose I swear

[@FireEmbros]

@@slanax I actually did a whole series on how much money Anna makes through a regular playthrough and a condensed video with the results on this channel! You’re correct, it’s not a lot ahahhaha. People seem to severely overrated it, because they probably like the effect of SEEING the gold go up.

[@hanzou1238]

I've been trying to get a 100% save file in Engage and having to farm money with Anna takes forever. Even with max luck and Byleth it still takes around 3-5 battles just to get 10k

[@Mir-d3k]

The real biggest trap is this stuff about "laguz get double benefit from stat boosters". On paper, it's true, but with how slow laguz are to improve, I'd still get more mileage out of a beorc with it in practice because laguz have to stand around being liabilities for several turns before they can do anything...

[@hanzou1238]

@@pandabanaan9208 Problem is Anna still requires heavy favoritism be being given exclusive access to the Micaiah ring which gives a different unit SP. Plus when you have Pandreo, Ivy, and Veyle who are all given to you good right out of the box it isn't worth it to put that effort into her, and even Chloe is better while also not needing that extra help. The other early units you mentioned can still be leveled normally just by being used to fight with little issue meaning they need less investment and therefore are more worthwhile. Also they still have unique things they can contribute. Etie has one of the highest attack stats in the game which is only 2 less than Amber and Panette, so you can completely focus on speed to have her double most enemies since she has a fixable speed stat, not to mention nice supports with Lapis and Yunaka meaning a fog machine Yunaka (or dragon Alear if you want) can make the 3 of them all practically unhittable and make enemy placements much easier to deal with. Etie with Dual support has hit up to 200 avoid meaning she can never be hit by anything if needed, however I can also adjust that so the enemies will still attack her where she then cleans them up on enemy phase. This is after training her normally and her also having less direct competition. Panette works better as a vantage tank than a speedy unit, and while yes Amber is stronger by 2, that almost never lets him kill things that she can't. However her having 1-2 more speed means she hits doubling thresholds easier when run with Speed taker. Same with Ambers bulk, it is higher than Etie however dodging all attacks will allow you to take more enemies than trying to soak the hits.

[@hanzou1238]

@@pandabanaan9208 First off any unit you want to use long term would want Micaiah to get double SP and there are plenty of units who are better than Anna to invest in long term. Also Veyle reclassed to mage Knight has 26 Mag and 27 SPD which is more than good enough, and Ivy can easily be fixed with a Hit engrave or just give her Byleth. He gives her Divine pulse, +12 Luck and a magic and speed boost. She never really wants to receive his dance so she can easily give it instead with her high mobility. It's funny you say I am coping with Etie when you are arguing that Anna is good. As I stated before only Strength and Speed matter. Etie can reliably be a dodge tank meaning her defenses and luck really don't matter for the most part. 26 speed is easily workable. Putting Lyn on her gives you a 38 Str and 41 SPD Warrior who can one round most enemies and chain attack from 3 range. Etie also is slowed by the Noatun which is her best weapon ( while Anna takes a -4 penalty from Bolganone or the Levin Sword) and she is fairly accurate with it. Also the Silver bow can be very helpful, Amber and Panette at 40 Str fail to kill endgame Wyverns with a steel even when doubling while Etie gets the kill with Silver. Yes her personal is bad but most personal skills in the game are bad outside of a few, once again Anna's is included in the bad. Not sure how you can call Vander the worst unit when he is incredibly good for the first 9 chapters of the game. Yes he isn't good late game however all Jagen characters are like that.

[@shinyraikou1518]

Amazing video and congratulations on 2K subs, as always, I will give my own thoughts on the games I have a good grasp on, aka SD onward minus Fates, so I'll walk through my own thought process for some of my own picks. As expected, spoilers below for the video for those who haven't watched it yet FE 11: While I get Radd being the pick, budget Navarre isn't really a bad thing to work with when the unit quality in the game is very low to begin with in terms raw growths and poorly distributed bases, I will raise another unit who is arguably so bad that you have to pick between two choices, that being Arran and Samson, or more specifically the Paladin who is outclassed by literally every other raised cav by that point in the game, and yes that includes funny Matthis, and to top it off picking Arran forces you to miss out on an actually usable axe unit in the context of SD. It's a bit of a copout and if the village choice is unreasonable, I would give a second pick to Ymir, since sacrificing all your fodder for a warrior when you have 3 candidates by C2, he's just not worth going for a recruitment intentionally unless you're using the full content patch for the game FE 12: I do agree with Bantu, but there are some notable characters who fell off very hard in the utility department, so I'll give a few honorable mentions. First, Tiki practically fell off a cliff because of the starpshere changes followed by her no longer having effective damage on the final boss. This coupled with her losing a ton of stone access on Lunatic up is something to add on to the list of things working against the manakete girl, making her a pretty interesting runner up in my opinion. Another few cases is the obvious wolfgar massacre as well as Caeda's wing spear becoming much less valuable. If we're not factoring falls from grace, then Bantu by metrics is definitely the worst, but to provoke discussion I will cast my vote on Tiki for the sake of discussion FE 13: I love this game and Donnel, and while I do agree that he is 100% a trap, there are three other units I would raise up as worse than the Zero to Hero. First mention is Ricken who while I admit might be biased from him ending up -2 or more in his stats, being in the join chapter he is also makes him an annoyance to actually keep alive. Another candidate I would argue is Tharja who has some of the weakest growths in the game comparatively, and ended up with specialty stats while the rest of the roster can actually become juggernauts. In reality though, I say this sadly as a defender of the real worst unit of Awakening in my opinion, it has to go to Stahl. You get Sully who makes the benchmarks needed for a good cav, and Stahl being notoriously doubled is an immediate red flag. Donnel at the very least will snap out of the worst of his stats with a second seal, which is more than I can say for especially Stahl who lacks in the bases he needs, and the unfortunate reality of being the sword cav FE 14: LMAO Fates, moving on FE 15: Forsythe catching is not surprising, but I would personally consider raising Luthier or Nomah as a counterpoint, yes Nomah can by all means do 'something', but let's be real for a moment, Celica's side is 5 dread fighters and 2 potential mages already besides Celica, not including Genny in the mix, which leaves Nomah with no real spot to fill other than a mage, except you also have the 3 whitewings to fit on your team. Nomah simply doesn't fit when you step back and look at the Celica route options, and this is all before considering hunter volley Atlas and Leon. There's simply no reason to ever really deploy Nomah outside of his glorious beard Fe 16: Uh... yeah I got nothing for 3H either, so sure Ashe can be the worst this time, I have no real horse in this race, maybe like... bow Mercy just to say something FE 17: The amount of character development to not say Anna must have been incredibly strong, but I don't think Jade is the worst. In all honesty, I started a Goldmary support run, and realized how plainly awful Etie is as a unit. Can't use bows to save her life, always slowed down even with inherited build from Leif, and overall quick to die. I do think Jade is also not on the good side, but I think I'll give the edge to Etie after being funneled into an archer who deserves to be a benchwarmer, especially when you look at the bow options you can do better bow shenanigans I'm always open to discussion, but these are my immediate thoughts on the games I feel knowledgeable enough to open the floor to, and I will add on that the points raised for the units I disagreed with are really good, and will admit they are good conclusions for the reasons stated

[@FireEmbros]

"The amount of character development to not say Anna must have been incredibly strong, but I don't think Jade is the worst." I audibly laughed at that one ahhahaha! I'm so grateful you commented on this video, I owe you a lot on discussion and am really grateful you've been following the channel for as long and engaging as much! I'll bounce back on the choices: I do think if I had considered Ymir, it probably SHOULD be him, but to be honest if you've reached the point that you need him... we have a lot more pressing issues ahahaha. Poor tiki got nerfed so hard in New Mystery that it's borderline criminal. They really messed her up, didn't even toss her the bone of having dragons to kill, making her join AFTER the majority of dragons (barring endgame chapters) have been dealt with, only to give you Nagi a couple of chapters later that can dunk on all of them anyways. Truly a shame. Ricken was on there too. He's in a rough spot, no real advantages over anybody else and not really a good parent. But my logic was at least he hits magic and can be effective against wyverns which means training can be "somewhat" easier. SoV. I agree, I was between Nomah and Forsyth, but ultimately I decided that like Reinhardt, magic is everything, but I totally get where you're coming from. Nomah is the worst of a heavily saturated class already present in that route, so makes sense he wouldn't be as valuable!

[@shinyraikou1518]

With the thumbnail I was very much walking into it expecting Anna, so seeing it not be her was a very pleasant surprise to fall for the bait answer And these discussions have been a very fun part of the process, and the channel is amazing, so it's always worth coming back to see what new content comes out The Gaiden characters for SD are a pretty easy dunk since the resource investment is outing down a huge chunk of the army for what was essentially a substitute unit, and yeah reaching Ymir's chapter does require a rather special degree of planning to say the least I definitely forgot the part where Tiki missed out on a ton of feeding, which was another point going against her for New Mystery as a whole. I still think she's the one character with the largest scale fall off across the series. Also, I'm glad that the answer for the FE12 worst unit wasn't one of the 4 endgame bishops, considering they really do just heal in endgame as the best case, which would have been an easy alternative answer The advantage against wyverns is certainly nice, but at least from what I've seen, Ricken has some really bad speed issues, and Awakening is a game where the floor of good speed is too high for Ricken to reach assuming lunatic, so he is easier to raise, but raising him to likely fall off for the valm arc is definitely worse than Donnel material for me I could have mentioned how Lukas exists invalidating Forsyth for Alm's route in the discussion, so for putting a bit of fairness, he does also suffer in his own way for the soldier deployment slot, but yeah, Nomah for sure gets my vote with how stacked Celica's deck is for deployments as a whole. The army quality between Alm and Celica is very nutty

[@Gensolink]

honestly I feel like RD in general do its units a disservice. Like why so many classes have such weirdly low caps, why are laguz SO TRASH, even if you train some of them and they level great they're gonna get chained by their caps, especially frustrating since you get less master crowns for promotable units.

[@josephchacra2840]

Lapis came to mind for Engage, but I think you're right that Jade struggles more

[@themarauding]

I've got to challenge the FE6 and FE7 picks. FE6, Sophia is bad, no doubt, but she's a shaman, you knew she was going to be squishy and the Ring is better than nothing. Compared to Wendy though, an armour knight incapable of doing the one job an armour knight should be capable of doing and can be one rounded on her join chapter, Sophia doesn't come out looking quite so bad. FE7, I'd have picked Karla. Similar quality issues to Wallace and you have to jump though a lot more hoops to get her.

[@themarauding]

And for Echoes, I'd give it to Valbar. Same issues as Forsyth in that he's slow, but on top of that he's the one stuck in desert maps which make his already big movement issues even worse.

[@FireEmbros]

@@themarauding I can definitely see the Wendy argument, but I don’t agree with the Valbar one. Valbar is for better or for worse, the ONLY unit in célicas side that for a while will be taking 0 damage (or 1 in this case) from multiple enemies, particularly from the archers in the desert maps too, meaning you can just walk in with him and setup kills for everyone in the narrow hallways while he soaks up the damage. I think he’s too unique by virtue of being the only armor knight accessible for a while on Celica route

[@themarauding]

@@FireEmbros Honestly I'm just remembering the sheer misery of slogging Valbar through the desert tiles and probably unfairly holding it against him. Once he gets into position, I'll grant that he's an acceptable tank and yeah, he's the only one Celica gets outside of Atlas if that's how the player chooses to go with him. I just don't want to have to slow everyone down to his glacial pace to actually use him.

[@themarauding]

@@FireEmbros You're going to have to do a second video for all the bad characters who didn't get hauled up the first time round. :p

[@FireEmbros]

@@themarauding I gotta get creative with it then!

[@AlexT7916]

I would say Fiona is worse than Meg, because almost all of the Part 1 & 3 chapters where Fiona is deployedable hate Cavs in some way, be it that they're in door maps that reduce her movement, swamp maps that basically make her movement 0 or ledge heavy chapter which she can't travel over restricting her from accessing large portions of the map

[@Mir-d3k]

What can Meg do, though? She comes off as a worse Edward, and Edward is already suspect as a unit... also, despite her class, she isn't even that durable.

[@zenith3594]

As a big Nino fan, I was 100% expecting you to say her so I was pleased when you didn't😂

[@lolmetaknight]

What about Midia from fe3? she comes even more late than Roshea.

[@tedley70]

Another comment: I read somewhere that Ashe has the game's absolute most "base" stats and growth: like, he can't be the best at ANYTHING. I didn't bench *anyone* in my first play through: I worked really hard to love them all. Ignatz *appeared* in my first run to be the least useful, but in later runs I got him up to snuff; in fact, with enough love and care, he can become fantastic. I'd question if it's really worth it, but Ashe just... can't... do... anything... special.

[@nicholasapodaca9886]

Engage Anna is super strong if you use the reclass system to make her a mage knight.

[@MaliciousMalcontent]

I don't think hard 5 is really a proper way to rank a unit in Shadow Dragon at least, you have to grind a boss to break their weapon and most units are unusable, it's just a % adjustment to pad out the game not a real difficulty mode.

[@FireEmbros]

@@MaliciousMalcontent you don’t need to grind any boss to break any weapon on H5. It’s very doable without any grinding at all. People even do it at 0% growths, but I’m not going into that. The difficulty from sd in the first 3 chapters CAN be a little RNG, but you don’t need to grind out the bosses weapon.

[@ebinku]

I disagree with Forsyth because he is much easier to reach the speed treshholds to not die to cantors and witches in one round of fight compared to Lukas.

[@Glass_Olmund]

Donnel contributes galeforce access to his daughter, so there's that. But I guess that falls in a similar category as the pursuit ring in FE4.

[@matthewkuscienko4616]

Kinda-sorta, really, as that doesn't have anything to do with how good he is as a unit if you raise him. Even then, however, Gaius fulfills the same niche as a dad in Awakening, but he's arguably better thanks primarily to having arguably better stats and also passing down the myrmidon class, which is one of the best classes to pass down in the game thanks in no small part to vantage. Because of this, for 2 of the 3 girls that want to get galeforce from their dad (Kjelle, Nah and Noire, to be exact) in my opinion want Gaius more than Donnel

[@GoonCommander]

bruh if the units in fe5 start to feel same-y you gotta pull out of that arena.

[@maskolino3533]

"You never player Hard 5 and you don't know what Bantu can do at base." So...what does Bantu do at base?

[@FireEmbros]

Bantu actually has some really solid hit rate and attack power. He actually has 2 more attack points than hardin at base with a silver lance, which is nothing to scoff at. Also 8 spd is good enough to avoid some doubles by the time he joins which is pretty impressive. It's moreso that the enemy quality in FE11 is pretty bad, meaning that Bantu can get away with a lot more on his bases.

[@maskolino3533]

@@FireEmbros so...a worse Jagen, basically

[@FireEmbros]

@@maskolino3533 two Jagens is better than a Jagen and a radd

[@noukan42]

​@@FireEmbrosi played hard 5 twice and didn't know it lol. I always just assumed he was going to be dounked and killed by everything(and want to save the fire stone to powerlevel Tiki).

[@FireEmbros]

@@noukan42 yeah, by no means is his material for endgame but he’s super useful to guarantee a kill or tank a hit or two for those mid chapters

[@GreatAether58]

I agree with pretty much all of these picks. Especially Meg, Ashe, and Jade. None of them have much going for them.

[@Shinotheblackcat]

I personally think that karla is the worst unit in fe7

[@FireEmbros]

She was a close contender, but ultimately Wallace was just a net negative.

[@ZX-Gear]

With Karla,she has all these hoops and ladders you have to go through just to unlock her and she is Hector Mode Exclusive as well and all you get is another Wo Dao as far as weapons go. You are better off with HHM Harken and his Brave Sword.

[@FireEmbros]

@@ZX-GearKarla is indeed in a rough spot, but I think she serves more purposes in ranked or completionist runs than Wallace IMO

[@catman9222]

​@@ZX-Gear Karla doesn't inherently cost you a better unit. Wallace can cost you 2.

[@darkdragonmedeus705]

Karla being the worst should be the ultimate no Brainer tbh. Wallace at least clicks with people who do Lyn's story on normal/hard mode. Wallace as much as the forced promotion stings really bad, we do have to be honest that he is simply the most convenient character to beat Lundgren. A ZPG run makes this especially true. Nino also has niche mentioned in video, but Karla is legit the worst ever in FE7. She is the hardest unit in the game to recruit; got to train Bartre the Fartre to a level 5 Warrior, who is already known to be a pretty bad unit. Then you got to gamble a fight without either getting killed. Then she is only available for 2-3 maps as an under leveled Swordmaster. Keep in mind that FE7 is the most anti sword user game in the series besides Shadow Dragon and maybe FE9 Maniac Mode. And she has everything wrong with Marisa too.

[@hrr2b239]

I think these are some pretty solid picks overall, I have some minor disagreements here and there with some of the picks but for the most part I think almost all of the units you gave are reasonable choices. The one exception I have to that is Forsyth, who I think is not as bad as portrayed. In general, fighting every dungeon enemy spawn once is considered for efficiency play, and since Forsyth is recruited inside of a dungeon you can actually get him promoted into Knight before leaving Deliverance Hideout. While this does lose out on a few turns, you *also* very much want to promote Python before that point, and so doubling up on the two of them makes the loss minimal. Additionally, Forsyth has a pretty noticeable advantage over Lukas in the form of his Speed growth allowing him to double enemy Armors and occasionally even Archers or Cavs, and his higher Res stat making him have a better time against Witches in Act 3-4. My pick here for SoV would probably be Atlas again, as no matter how you use him he poses a challenge. You’ll either have to fight extra map spawns if you double back to Dragon Shrine to promote him right away, or you have to wait all the way until after Grieth’s Citadel to promote him. It’s a catch-22 situation that really puts him in an unfortunate place. Jesse also gets a mention for redundancy, but Merc is such a good class line he can still be salvaged. He does have the same problem of waiting until after Citadel to promote, however.

[@FireEmbros]

I thought about Atlas, but the only reason I didn't go with it, is I've seen the power of hunter volley's atlas with his absolutely colossal atk stat and it's no joke ahahhaha. Forsythe just felt the more "redundant" to me, but to be honest he's not bad by any means at all. I love him as a character though, it was just a matter of "least" useful, but by no means bad. Valentias is pretty ok in balance for that.

[@hrr2b239]

@@FireEmbros You’re definitely right that Volley Atlas is a great player phase delete button once he gets going, it’s just a bit of the Donnel argument where the investment it takes to get him there is higher than most other units. I do agree though that the SoV cast overall is pretty well balanced (base stat promos help with that) so perhaps we’re just splitting hairs here!

[@benpalmer1583]

I've made Jade into a decent unit in Engage Maddening difficulty. Was it easy? NO. I benched her for like 5 maps then decided that I'd prefer her as my armor unit; I gave her resolve and defense +2 so she could take a couple hits maybe. Then after I got Leif back, I had her equip him to get the enemy phase DEF boost when engaged (I prefer the Armored bonus to Leif best). Then the Arms Shield stacks up extra damage reduction. Using game systems to reduce most incoming attacks by 15 damage made my armor unit function like an armored unit- yay. I like her, but to be clear, I am not saying she's "good". Also, I didn't know early promotion was incentivized in Engage, so I sat on promotion till my people were like level 20 anyway

[@RonyLT]

Engage is the first Fire Emblem I've ever played (Blazing Blade is the second). And I wouldn't ever consider Anna as the worst character, since she is amazing tô farm gold, which is AWLFUL to do in this game.