Badenoch v Jenrick: What Now?

[@goughrmp]

Guess he weren’t so Cleverly

[@GoogleSnakeee]

none of the tories are

[@TheGerkuman]

His supporters definitely aren't, if the rumours are true that tactically voting at the wrong time caused the damage.

[@nothereandthereanywhere]

He was the least bad option :D Really, Tories are in the mud now. Not interested at all

[@indefatigable8193]

*breaks into My Fair Lady level singing*

[@JupiterThunder]

He's a bloated imb3cile.

[@SRFriso94]

Recently heard a comment: "Kemi Badenoch could start a fight in an empty room." Sounds about right, if she gets chosen as leader, I recommend you buy popcorn.

[@Alexander-yb1zc]

I saw a similar comment but it was "She's the only person who could start and lose a fight in an empty room" 😂

[@selwynpigg4261]

Let s hope she takes the fight to Starmer if she wins!

[@jamesholt4449]

@@selwynpigg4261 Prefer starmer over Kemi

[@OrionTails]

​@@selwynpigg4261her only qualifications are the two things I'm not allowed to say 😅

[@herbivorethecarnivore8447]

@@selwynpigg4261 Look, a real Tory in the wild. They're an endangered species

[@vishmaster09]

The cleverly giving votes to jenrick is hilarious how it backfired

[@Qatari2007]

Plz explain?!

[@kicorse]

​@@Qatari2007The video explains it at 5:26

[@JohnPark-xf2gq]

Cleverly is like an athlete well in the lead in a race who stops ten metres from the finish to celebrate his win then watching his rivals go past to win Jimmy dimly you plonker.

[@KarakuraNinja]

​@@Qatari2007people were trying to do tactical voting based on the idea he was winning hard to block Kemi out once and for all He wasn't expected to lose one day later after leading so much and with likely Tugenhaut votes going to him Idiots should have voted their conscious.

[@horrisnorris6478]

All the comments on TLDR's interview with Cleverly were about how he seems like the least insane candidate, and therefore the Tories won't pick him. They were proved right very quickly!

[@Almirante1741]

Maybe because the Tories don't have to please left wing voters.

[@GoogleSnakeee]

@@Almirante1741 then they arent winning any elections🤣

[@Aubrey2004-j4k]

@@Almirante1741lol lets be real

[@Zenkrypt]

​@@Almirante1741 Its about pleasing the centrists and moderates (the voting bloc that determined who wins an election). Also, many moderate tory voters who were disappointed with the last government and didnt vote, will probably be disappointed with another liz truss like tory PM.

[@nothereandthereanywhere]

@@Almirante1741 Not many in UK are really 'left wing', more like centrists. Yes, some topics we could exercise a liberal approach, or a bit greener focus, but that in itself isn't left wing. Most of the focus to people are centrist policies, live and let live and have a good and pleasant life in nice environment. Tories won't deliver it. Nor Reform.

[@Cassandra03]

It'll clearly be Badenoch, she excites tory party partisans, but she'll lose massively in the general, she has next to zero broader appeal, either with moderates nor reform voters.

[@scarletcrusade77]

source : Trust me bro

[@Cassandra03]

@@scarletcrusade77 source: near universal consensus and consistent polling

[@henrykjohn78]

Agreed. I love the fact that a black woman can be in this position (albeit I disagree with her on everything) but she won't win back the reform voters (who are mostly racist let's be honest)

[@scarletcrusade77]

@@Cassandra03 There's clearly an appetite for right wing/conservative politics in the country they just need to make a good enough appeal/ model for it. There's a broader right-wing shift in politics in Europe so it's wrong to say there's no broad appeal.

[@patrickproctor3462]

​@@henrykjohn78 Putting your own country and countrymen first in all spheres of policy is not racist. Stop lying and spreading that misinformation.

[@blisseyran-dom6822]

In an attempt to ensure it's Jenrick vs Cleverly, they accidentally knocked Cleverly out 😂

[@Hadar1991]

And they even did not manage for Jenrick to have more votes than Badenoch, so double failure. :P

[@jonnobloggs1139]

Does that mean that they will all vote for Wee Bob to ensure that Kemi is leader .

[@alexhutchinson7072]

6:25 Much love for TLDR acknowledging both of David Tennant's doctors 😂

[@tobyanderson5328]

How do you tactical vote YOUR OWN candidate out? Being a Tory seems like an everyday humiliation ritual

[@MichaelJones-wh9cy]

Mel stride was in sunaks cabinet as work and pensions secretary

[@TheSurrealWolf]

Tory members showing they have learned nothing from Liz Truss lol

[@thurmanmermon4160]

I'm not so sure, despite Truss being a headcase there is a very real sentiment against the centrist ruling class and the Tories are in a position to seize on that now if they play this right, Starmer is not much of an improvement on Boris/Truss/Sunak

[@TheSurrealWolf]

@@thurmanmermon4160 although I agree with the logic and sentiment of what you say, especially Keir being no different, I don't think the pull against the establishment is very strong. As shown by the election results. Reform did ok, but lib Dems did better. Showing to me that the population are far more in the camp of, let's be sensible and centrists. And maybe you're right, there is a lot of anti establishment feeling, it's for the left not the right, as shown by Corbyn winning his seat and his vote share in 2019. The Tories can't hope to win by moving right

[@thurmanmermon4160]

I think all the Tories have to do is put in someone who can throw punches without being as volatile as Truss/as inflammatory as Braverman/ doesn't fight as dirty as Reform and they've got a solid chance, Badenoch may tick all of those boxes but we'll see

[@TheSurrealWolf]

@@thurmanmermon4160 Potentially. But i think the Tories need something completely different now, the damage that has been done is too great. They need to offer policies that truly help peoples costs and general feeling of prosperity. The tories are too old and useless to offer greatness these days. So boring Keir will stay in.

[@seriousmaran9414]

And either would be good for Labour. Chances are neither is going to be Prime Minister.

[@Qatari2007]

Sure sure

[@NovaHessia]

Certainly not on their own merits, but Starmer seems to be fucking things up sufficiently that at the next election people might just vote for *whoever* is not Labour.

[@seriousmaran9414]

@NovaHessia simple plan, start by things looking really hard and then provide benefits. Labour can produce for Britain, they have in the past. Tony Blair certainly did it, then the voters let the Tories back in. I would agree thatStarmer is not perfect as Prime Minister.

[@Da1Dez]

Nor is Starmer come next election.

[@thurmanmermon4160]

Starmer is not Blair, Blairs approval didn't tank in the first 100 days like Starmers has

[@davidk7262]

The best possible outcome for Labour. Starner better make sure to decalre this gift.

[@robertmaslin3844]

@SDDT24 can you name this so-called corruption? Labour is more open than 14 years of the Tories.

[@davidk7262]

@@SDDT24 There is no alternative. The term corrupt is pretty hyperbolic but I would be lying if I said I was not slightly disappointed with the whole gift nonsense. What I really care about is the country being fixed however and that is going to be years before we can even begin to judge.

[@henrykjohn78]

​@@SDDT24MPs get gifts my guy

[@henrykjohn78]

@SDDT24 the tories passed laws where they didn't have to declare their gifts... they were certainly up to worse

[@henrykjohn78]

@SDDT24 starmer apologised and repaid his gifts while being prime minister. Boris Johnson recently said he regretted apologising for his scandals. They are not the same, it's just trendy to say they arem

[@aubs400]

This will probably convince the last few Tory moderate voters to either vote labour or Lib Dem, depending on where they live

[@TheMarioExpertMan]

Let's be honest. Whoever was selected, tory moderates would vote Labour or Lib Dem anyway. The Tories are doomed to opposition

[@Qatari2007]

@@TheMarioExpertManwe’ll see in 2 years 😂

[@quintuscrinis]

​@@Qatari2007 2 years? The next election isn't due for 5 years.

[@quintuscrinis]

​@@TheMarioExpertManpeople said the same in 1997 and look what happened. Yes it took a while but they still came back for another 14 years!!!

[@TheMarioExpertMan]

@@quintuscrinis after 14 years of failure, austerity, crashing the economy, nobody's forgiving them

[@mix3k818]

Would be nice if the Lib Dems were just as popular.

[@Queue_M4]

With Labour doing a piss poor job so far and the right separated between Reform and Conservatives. I could see Lib Dems becoming the second party in the next general election. I'm definitely thinking of voting for them.

[@Bushflare]

@@Queue_M4 Reform actually got more votes than the Lib Dems last election so I think there’s actually a good chance the Lib Dems and Reform will be jockeying to eat up Labour’s votes the same way they did the Tories last time. Interesting times we live in.

[@tessjuel]

@@Queue_M4 The Lib Dems may even become the second biggest party through by-elections and Tory defections before the next general election. It's extremely unlikely of course but not impossible.

[@polixthepole]

I feel like they’re the only legitimate political party right now

[@thurmanmermon4160]

No it wouldn't, bleating about rejoining the EU isn't addressing the issues its just fuelling the polarisation

[@bewater4732]

This is great news for the Reform voters amongst us.

[@herbivorethecarnivore8447]

They can have their own special corner where everyone can ignore them

[@mr.netflix9149]

Why? Because Reform was able to sway the Conservative party?

[@almighty3946]

@@mr.netflix9149because reform will never win a majority of seats.

[@vishmaster09]

I don't get why the Tory party plays musical chairs with leaders. It's damaging to the party The MPs vote for one person, then after a year if they don't do something miraculous the MPs vote the same person out

[@russianbot7875]

Cameron, May, Johnson, Truss, Rishi and whoever next. Blair, Brown, Miliband, Corbyn, Starmer. Clegg, Farron, Cable, Swinson, Davey (had to look these ones up). The main parties all have revolving door policy when it comes to leaders

[@yurisei6732]

They don't swap leaders much more often than Labour do, they just had brexit and covid back to back which were both issues where no one was going to agree.

[@lai17]

⁠​⁠@@russianbot7875blair became leader in 1994 and cameron in 2005, so you’re comparing them a timeline that is 11 years longer

[@battlep0t]

@@yurisei6732 Labour have had 5 leaders in 30 years. The Tories have had 9 leaders in that same time frame.

[@EzRida04]

Starmer is very happy about this either way!

[@RedJadeArt]

6:20 to clarify it meant single sex toilets. That is to say, every public and work space would have to have a toilet exclusively for the use of women. It would be pretty impracticable for smaller restaurants and offices which tend to just have one shared bathroom. Not to mention airline and train cabins which all have gender neutral bathrooms.

[@Qatari2007]

What about men?

[@RedJadeArt]

@@Qatari2007 presumably it would mean specifically men’s and women’s toilets. But that would mean like, building at least two toilets in every building, and I’m not sure where we’d get the money for that. Ntm I would question the “concerns” over privacy if the toilet was lockable and contained only one stall - generally two people don’t use one stall at the same time regardless of gender - so it sounds like she just disapproves of a woman using a toilet which a man might *previously* have used at a different time. To me that sounds more like a misandry concern than a privacy one.

[@SlothWindGod]

​@@RedJadeArt Believe it or not its not about misandry, most of these bathroom policies are specifically designed to appeal to anti trans voters, and all those on that side of the aisle.

[@RedJadeArt]

@@SlothWindGod a lot of anti trans bigotry is actually misandry directed at trans women tbf. Trans women get a lot of flak from cis women and stereotyping as sexual predators; because trans women are seen as being a subset of men - and men are correctly understood to be dangerous to women. So some cis women direct their justifiable anger that they have for cis men towards trans women, because they’re considered a much more socially acceptable target for things like bullying and harassment. It’s much easier, and safer, to vent your feelings by punching down instead of up.

[@kicorse]

​@@SlothWindGodThat's true, but it is noteworthy that almost all of the transphobia we see is directed at people who the transphobes regard as male, and connected to negative stereotypes about men. I don't think I've encountered any scaremongering about "biological females" who live as men.

[@karankapoor2701]

Anyone who's the next leader isn't gonna win without an alliance with reform

[@tuck1s]

The move to the right also leaves space for a possible Lib Dem recovery. Having distinct choices is good.

[@alfsmith4936]

@@tuck1s Shhhh!!! Lets get rid of the Conservative party and Reform Ltd first.

[@weird_autumn42]

​​@@tuck1s it's not so great when one of those choices (reform) is living in a different reality and wanting to do insane stuff like leave the ECHR

[@SU_Plata]

​@@alfsmith4936 right wingers preparing for a domestic conflict and outright refusing to protect western institutions: yeah.

[@SU_Plata]

​@alfsmith4936 I'm glad more people are realize "Hey we don't need everyone voting or democracy" now and better yet, opposing liberial armies are just losing recruits and retention crisis, I'm pretty confident

[@PlayMoreGolf-RipOff]

I will be shocked if one of those lasts until the next general election!

[@robertmaslin3844]

Two headbangers left, the Tories will be in opposition for the foreseeable future.

[@Alexander-yb1zc]

67 seats were won with a 5% margin and the lib dems would only need 30 seats from the tories to become the opposition

[@Qatari2007]

When they are ALREADY only polling 1% behind labour? Lmao

[@RonaldReagan84]

@@Qatari2007 Who asked for your opinion? Sod off.

[@Lando-kx6so]

Maybe lib dems will surpass them come 2029

[@isaacmason3939]

Opposition in parliament or opposition with eachother?

[@ellisford7596]

2:30 Mel Stride has held a cabinet position. He was the Work and Pensions Secretary and Lord President in 2019...

[@jamesholloway8532]

Yeah I'm going through all the comments now to see if anyone has picked up on this!

[@jameslewis2635]

Out of touch right wing lunatic vs out of touch right wing lunatic. The only difference I can see between these two is the level of nastiness between the two for which Badenoch is more well known but that's because before this leadership campaign started hardly anyone had even heard the name 'Jenrick' before.

[@user-fk9mo2ld6w]

Spot the lefty

[@RonaldReagan84]

@@user-fk9mo2ld6w Spot the loser who plays runescape, how beta can your taste in games be?

[@JamesFTW1]

@@user-fk9mo2ld6w Spot the rightoid

[@neonwired4978]

@@user-fk9mo2ld6w all the normal people who don't like hateful bigots like these two.

[@Bean_guy2]

@@user-fk9mo2ld6w Ah yes, famous leftist Kemi Badenoch

[@17mzmz]

Small correction: Stride was in the last cabinet W&P secretary.

[@cadge]

Bring on Bad Enoch, she is an early Xmas present for Labour.

[@aaravkurdikar1757]

2:29 *Mel Stride was in Cabinet as Secretary of State for Work and Pensions under Sunak

[@jackholmes1017]

If it’s true he was eliminated trying to get Jenrick through over Badenoch or that torys voted for their second choice, thinking he was comfortably ahead, then that is the perfect microcosm for this shambles of a party.

[@lavenderb3an]

Excuse me but "Stride had no cabinet positions" is simply incorrect. Before the election Stride was the Secretary of State for Work and Pensions. He basically ran the DWP for the entire time Sunak was PM.

[@larsjorgan7964]

Baldrick versus Badenough. What next? indeed!

[@Yutappy99]

Don't worry. They will just have another leadership contest a month after whoever wins this one. Conservatives are running monthly leadership contests now. Make sure you buy your raffle tickets.

[@martinaltmann4031]

Interestingly, here in Heidelberg, there is a local SPD politician called Tim Tugendhat.

[@mr.netflix9149]

A Heidelbürger ^^

[@ivankolinic5679]

Kemi BadEnoch v Robert Generic, very good choices

[@JohnPark-xf2gq]

The nasty party becomes the nas zi party.

[@stephenoxf]

That paints Robert in a very good light, generic is a good trait to have in these times

[@nothereandthereanywhere]

I'm sure Labour and Lib dem celebrate :D

[@SuperHorseSense]

Neither of these two will ever become PM, nor should they.

[@thepepper191]

At this point they’d be better off keeping Sunak. That’s saying ALOT

[@garagefridge8930]

As a member who will be able to vote, I like both Jenrick and Badenoch. I'll vote Jenrick as he is my local MP, and I think he would make a better PM, however I do also think Badenoch would make a great opposition leader.

[@Godonstilts]

"He has vast experience in government..." pretty meaningless when the main party has had a new cabinet every 6-12 months over the last decade.

[@BH-yk5cn]

Most voters lost for the Tories was among people deciding not to vote. Stop trying to win over people from other parties but instead win back the nonvoters. This goes for all political parties.

[@mr.netflix9149]

How tho?

[@rad4924]

Badenoch is the only sensible choice for them, so naturally I expect them to vote for Jenrick.

[@Bobbydyland]

On thing we can trust the Conservitive members to do is deliver a right nutter for the Tory leader. Can't wait for Liz Truss 2.0

[@Qatari2007]

Not as well as Labour has done though 😂

[@RonaldReagan84]

@@Qatari2007 At least we don't enslave migrant workers unlike Qatar. You stink of blood.

[@Bobbydyland]

@@Qatari2007 I think you are replying to the wrong person. I have no idea what you're referring to or why you liked your own comment.

[@Zenkrypt]

​@@Qatari2007 no one here has forgotten liz truss.

[@jackster2568]

​@@BobbydylandKeir the would be tax dodger

[@rafaelmartinvannostrand2084]

The Tory party: 6 years providing the greatest entertainment

[@daviesuk89]

Centrists, who make up the majority of the voters wouldn't consider voting for either of these candidates unless Labour really f'd up. At elections you should have to actually have to think and consider who you'll vote for rather than who is less shite.

[@neonwired4978]

lib dems are rubbing their hands

[@AustrianPainter14]

Haha no Most indigenous British are nationalists. Nearly all foreigners are neoliberals.

[@LOLE_Editz]

​@@AustrianPainter14Everyone that paid attention in History knows that the UK doesn't have an 'indigenous' population.

[@AustrianPainter14]

@LOLE_Editz You foreigners move the goalposts every year. So now Europeans aren’t even indigenous to Europe??? So where do we go next?

[@Bushflare]

@@LOLE_Editz Too obvious.

[@RedJadeArt]

7:04 “over the next 5 years” that’s a little optimistic..

[@-M_M_M-]

I don't understand why Cleverly is seen as the more moderate. I think he was clearly on the classic liberal to libertarian side of things. And it's a pity to see him leaving the contest.

[@Kaede-Sasaki]

Does britain even have libertarians? It would be like finding out that China has a party that wants to bring back the ming emperor.

[@HeliumFreak]

Left with deciding who is the least worst rather than who is the best

[@chrisincambo]

The consensus here is the Tories must field a sensible centrist to regain power, seeming to have already forgotten the very recent election in which they tried that and got decimated.

[@chrisincambo]

The clear winning strategy here is to put in place a leadership that is aligned with Reform, then at the next election the Tories won't stand in any seats held by Reform or in which they came second to Labour with Reform returning the favour. Conservatives will win, Reform will win about 30 seats.

[@chrisincambo]

Labour needs to remember that they didn't win the last election, the Tories lost it. If they want to stay in power they will need to deliver economic growth as promised, however early signs are not looking good.

[@Rum-Runner]

Their loss in the last general had nothing to do with Sunak’s perceived centrism. The UK wasn’t voting based on ideology, they were voting based on the failures of the Tory government. The “clear winning strategy” _could_ be to choose a leader that competes with Reform on the right, but nothing has shown that that is the _only_ winning strategy. If Labour fails in the same areas as the Tories did (which isn’t at all unlikely), then we could probably expect that there would be a certain appeal for a common-sense centre-right government again.

[@Ptaku93]

(allegedly) a right-wing party electing a right-wing leader?? preposterous!

[@mr.netflix9149]

An (allegedly) right-wing party electing a leader who bases her politics on transgender issues instead of stuff people actually care about? Strategically questionable!

[@Bushflare]

Nothing the Tories do will matter if they can’t convince people to vote them over Reform and they proliferated most of the problems which made people switch to Reform so… quite the hurdle.

[@yurisei6732]

Tories didn't just lose voters to Reform, they also lost voters to the Lib Dems and to Labour. This election was a protest vote, so people weren't particularly concerned who they were voting for as long as they weren't voting for the Tories. It's going to be difficult for them to rebuild their voterbase, because they can't appeal to Reform voters and to Lib Dem voters simultaneously, and they barely stand a chance of appealing to Labour voters. Even if they scraped back 50% of the Reform voters by the next general election, it probably wouldn't be enough, and that's more than they're likely to get unless Farage drops out again.

[@Bushflare]

@@yurisei6732 I think there's a far larger crossover between reform and centrists than you might imagine. If anything I think a better way to describe the divide between the parties is class-based. Reform overwhelmingly appeals to the working classes who Labour have been failing for decades and who turned out in force to support Johnson, crushing typically red-wall seats. I believe all of those big riots took place in Labour constituencies. People are mad as hell. Lib-Dems overwhelmingly appeal to the middle-class who aren't so directly suffering the effects of immigration. As it stands I think Tories and Labour are mostly going to be catching votes from the politically uninformed or the partisans and the mark of success will be on if they can capture either the middle or working classes better than their opposition who will have the comparative benefits of having not spent the preceding decade making a mockery of the process and fools of themselves.

[@yurisei6732]

@@Bushflare There is definitely a lot to be said about class in the UK. It's why first past the post makes so little sense for us, we've really got five different key voter types imo: Rich technocrats, who are mostly focused on how the economy affects their investment portfolios. Will vote tory or labour depending on who seems to have the more profitable economic policies. Often votes for lib dem nimbys in local elections. Rich/middle-class Christians, who are primarily concerned about what they see as moral degeneration - lots of anti-welfare, anti-immigrant attitude, will always vote Tory, also tends to vote lib-dem nimby in local elections. University-educated middle-class, who aren't too worried about the economy and are generally pro-immigrant. Will almost always vote Labour. Then you've got progressive working class, very pro-union, pro-worker, pro-NHS. A lot of these are long-time Labour voters. And you've got traditional working class, also very pro-union, pro-worker and pro-NHS, but doesn't like immigration and/or LGBT topics. That last group is the most interesting one imo. That's who Reform got excited, by offering economic policies that appear relatively pro-working class, but combining them with anti-immigrant and anti-LGBT policies. The Tories' job now is to try to win those traditional working class voters over, but also to win over enough of the technocrats and economically-minded middle class who moved to lib dems this time. It's going to be a tough balance to strike since the interests of technocrats are so diametrically opposed to the interests of the working class.

[@Bushflare]

@@yurisei6732 Aye, but it's also worth noting that as well as the Tories needing to regain their working class Labour need to retain theirs and I don't see how they're gonna be doing that at this rate. The debacle with policing around the riots, the hit to national identity with giving away the islands, the gifting scandals whilst nerfing the winter allowance for pensioners... those alone are poison to how the folks on the ground see them but then you gotta consider this is the first time those more progressive workers have actually had anyone to vote for outside of Labour. Reform are gonna be a big temptation for them also. When you're living hand-to-mouth you've got a lot less freedom to be concerned with things like LGBT issues if you or your family aren't directly affected, etc. so Reform just need to keep hitting on the hot-button issues that all the working class suffer from and Labour need to turn their ship around otherwise I can see them bleeding voters directly into Farage's lap. I wouldn't be shocked if next election we get a coalition government with the Lib Dems and Reform stealing seats from Tory and Labour candidates as they become the defecto opposition to the LibLabCon Uniparty in the eyes of many. I just wish it was being led by someone of greater quality than Farage ffs...

[@samtheman4931]

@@Bushflareyes even though Farage is sharp. He’s not in effective public speaker. All reform needs is a strong speaker to rule up the masses. Appealing economic left wing and socially right wing. To bad reform is a corporate shill and just controlled opposition

[@bfmtrooper5454]

This comment section is mad. Took the tories 14 years for a slow decline. Took labour about a week to absolutely destroy the country and its only gotten worse since. Yet despite that so many people are still avidly supporting labour.

[@dthompson1450]

"Mel Stride [...has...] never had a cabinet position, nor a particularly senior role within the government"; "Tom Tugendhat... [...] like Stride, has never had a Cabinet Position". Sorry but this is incorrect. Stride was Leader of the House of Commons in 2019, and Secretary of State for Work and Pensions 2022-2024. The fact you didn't notice he was a senior member of the government is a testament to his incredible talent for being unnoticeable and forgettable: the archetypal dull Tory minister in a grey suit. But those of us who are carers or disabled, both frightened and insulted by his constant attacks on us, we don't forget.

[@dariuswong9764]

2:28 “Mel stride has never held a cabinet position” Lets see he was -Leader of the HoC -DWP secretary Please do ur research tldr

[@darren8453]

Cleverly may have plenty of experience in government positions, but he lacks competence in government positions.

[@Andrew-pd6ey]

Kemi would be a disaster, she's hardly seen as "right-wing", very much an establishment candidate with some talking points that some right wing people care about. The more she'd pander to the right, the more votes she'd lose from everywhere else, which wouldn't be made up for.

[@RickyT15]

I don't like her, but that is a stupid take. She is right wing. A two second search into her controversies and interviews over the near 20 years she has been a party member would show this.

[@border_lore]

Judging by the Telegraph comments and polls, Badenoch appears the favourite. Reform must be concerned

[@sSteppingStones]

She said she would be willing to alliance with farage

[@Mr__Chicken]

Why would Reform be concerned with Badenoch?

[@sSteppingStones]

@@Mr__Chicken trans stuff and other things like it idk who to pick because want starmer out

[@Helania12]

⁠@@sSteppingStonesMost people don’t care about trans people enough to swing an election. If you want to get Starmer out the best thing you can hope for is that the economy doesn’t recover and that reform at least promises a coalition after the next election. That’s not impossible but I doubt trans issues will have any influence on the election.

[@flickthenick]

So looking forward to seeing badenough at PM 's question time for a really good laugh...

[@Moddy01]

"Badenoch" means "still bathing" in german.

[@Kaede-Sasaki]

Think the only English name was cleverly 😋 Still none are as right wing as Churchill. In fact, Churchill would probably have expelled the conservative candidates (even the now-called rightwing) for not looking "british" enough or having foreign names.

[@BritishPatriott]

Tom Tugenhat was Minister of State for security. So he was in the cabinet TLDR. Stride was also a member of the cabinet. Do your research before these videos TLDR.

[@SaChin-sc1tp]

Who'll be the next tory leader? Rupert Murdoch

[@jebremocampo9194]

Would watch PMQs again if Badenoch becomes PM

[@ScepticalBrit]

Let it be Badenoch for Christmas!!!! She will most definitely ensure the Conservatives stay out of power for a very long time 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@ohwellplaythecardsthatimgi9494]

If it's Badenoch that would be so funny, the tories would dig their grave a little deeper and Reform would be poised to overcome them

[@craigrm74]

Mel Stride was Work & Pensions Secretary under Sunak, and Leader of the House of Commons under May - both Cabinet positions.

[@rand0mati0n]

I think they could have been clearer about whether WTF USA is slightly tongue in cheek

[@monkeyboy8424]

Jimmy Dimly's campaign was doomed the moment loser Can't Shapps got involved.

[@LennyCole96]

Given how Truss vs. Sunak went, it'll be Jenrick It doesn't matter, though the One Nation Conservatives will moderate either one

[@LaurenceGill2000]

2:21 Mel Stride absolutely did have a Cabinet position as Secretary of State for Work and Pensions. Suprised you managed to get that one wrong.

[@dalecollett3213]

Mel Stride was Work and Pensions Secretary for nearly 2 years so he did have a cabinet position. Clearly made a mark in the job lol.

[@robertlovejoy]

We certainly have our own sad dysfunction here in the States, and there is no doubt of that... But to see someone who might have actually done some good there, pulling people together, lose out due to game playing and overconfidence. Cleverly indeed... Sad.

[@krizak4421]

The definition of "Doing too much"

[@Talisguy]

I honestly don't get how Conservatives can still back Badenoch when she's the only person I can think of who I've actually seen "playing the race card." Usually when people say that, it's a flimsy way to shut down any discussion of racism, but in Badenoch's case, she's said that the UK is not institutionally racist in any way, while also invoking the bad optics of a white man telling a black woman to shut up to sidestep criticism of the policies that spurred that reaction in the first place. Why do the optics matter if racism is over, Kemi? If racism were over, the fact that she's black would be, for all intents and purposes, a statistical triviality. If the optics of this situation actually matter, it must mean racism is still a noteworthy influence on political discourse. To her, racism doesn't exist in the UK _unless she, personally, can benefit from invoking it._ It's disgustingly hypocritical and scummy.

[@alfsmith4936]

She's copying American far right grifter (and Lord Farmer's daughter in law) Candace "Hitler wasn't so bad" Owens.

[@Bushflare]

Because that’s the battleground Labour have created. Lammy is scummy, Philips is scummy, Abbot is scummy. The whole DEI crowd have created a system where they are immune to criticism and all they have to do is present Britain as a villain. Badenoch doing it is just using the tactics of her enemies against them. I don’t like it personally and Badenoch is far from my ideal candidate but I’d take her in a heartbeat over anyone who has been prominent in Labour for the past decade and part of that is because when she plays that card I at least know she’s doing it cynically and isn’t actually interested in racially demonising the British.

[@Talisguy]

​@@Bushflare The people you mentioned are all, whatever else you can say about them, _consistent_ about racism existing. They haven't repeatedly denied that it's still a problem outside of situations where they can use it to deflect criticism. Meanwhile, Badenoch denies the existence of racism in all other contexts except "I am black and some of my critics are white, and they hurt my feelings."

[@alfsmith4936]

@@Bushflare Calling people "scummy", then ignoring things because you think it's a winning tactic is pretty scummy..

[@Talisguy]

​@@Bushflare Also, how exactly is cynically exploiting a situation like this in a way that shows deep hypocrisy and moral cowardice better than honestly believing in it and having an ideologically consistent position?

[@JulianCamu]

The country needs a new leader

[@alfsmith4936]

🥱

[@mtr801]

Already? But you just had an election!

[@alfsmith4936]

@@mtr801 Yep and the Tory/far right are steaming over their loss. Such is life...

[@hammer3721]

​@@alfsmith4936Far lefty.

[@ddandymann]

@@hammer3721 Oh yeah because the current Labour government is clearly far left. Just how delusional are you?

[@andyansell9000]

What does this say about England and the UK, when we need a FOREIGNER, who is not even born in the UK, to become leader of one of the major political parties, and possibly the next Prime Minister?

[@CharlesTysonYerkesOfficial]

Correction - Stride has served Secretary of State for Work & Pensions

[@gordonlawtie7237]

Let's go kemi

[@gr8aussief--kup]

It is wild to see cleverly dropping out when hignfy and even yourselves predicting cleverly to win

[@enkephalin07]

From my outside perspective, neither of these candidates have the charisma for national leadership. But they only have to serve as effective opposition for now, and Cleverly may get another shot when it looks like returning to majority appears likely.

[@theravyneffect3610]

So Kemi Banenoch is going to become leader... and will drive even more Tory voters to the Reform party. Nigel must be thrilled.

[@Infinitystar225]

If anything, Banenoch is going to push away the moderates in the party rather than the far right that leans Reform.

[@richardbradley1532]

The Tory members will vote for whichever is more batshit crazy 🤪 😂

[@alfsmith4936]

Yep. They think Labour are scared of the far right but they're more afraid of centrists.

[@coastwalker101]

True. Unfortunately they gave us Truss who made us poor.

[@eldrago19]

Shame. I could have seen myself voting for Cleverly. I don't know what the Tories will do after Badenoch or Jenrick looses.

[@quintuscrinis]

Got to ask what the point of having 4 candidates campaigning at their conference was? Why offer the membership 4 campaigns but only put 2 on the ballot paper!!

[@Bushflare]

Because if only one seat is available any more than 2 candidates risks the winner passing with a minority of votes as we saw happen with Labour’s 30% country-wide sweep because of how constituency seats work.

[@quintuscrinis]

@Bushflare Wasn't that part of why they wanted why they argued to keep FPTP in the 2011 referendum about AV? Minority victories were a key benefit of and reason to keep FPTP back then!!

[@Bushflare]

@@quintuscrinis Sounds about right, yeh. But I don’t think the performance of the Tories and Labour over the past few years has done anything to convince people the current system works so fingers crossed on seeing change.

[@Thermalions]

I'd guess it lets the MPs take the temperature of the members to help narrow the field.

[@Satrus-Popeye]

I think it's clear that the adult has left the room.

[@nobreshit.9694]

Why isn't starmer running for the tory leadership? He's basically one of them..

[@spaghettiisyummy.3623]

Cleverly would have been a Clever leader.

[@robertmaslin3844]

@@spaghettiisyummy.3623 you mean Cleverless leader 😂

[@moviesunified6746]

sunak is the leader right ?

[@timmylean]

I guess Enoch Powell wasn't enough. Now we have Badenoch.

[@utieyinogedegbe147]

Vote for Kemi!!! 🥰🥰🥰🇳🇬🇳🇬🇳🇬

[@HomeGrownVeg]

Which one of these two would know if they were at a party without being told they were at a party? Just asking.

[@darren8453]

It's alright, I throw up a little in my mouth when talking about the leader of the Tory party as well.

[@apz202]

They are both insanely pro Israel.

[@longwhite7391]

At 6:15 you mention Badenoch pushing for 'same sex' toilets, and then show an article on 'single sex' ones. I assume you meant the later?

[@sherpafan033]

thank god Tugendhat is out the running. That man was properly dangerous.

[@LulfsBloodbag]

Kemi being leader would doom the tories to unelectablility, so that's good news at least.

[@mr.netflix9149]

A strong government needs strong opposition. A failure of the Tories would lead to a failure of British Politics as a whole.

[@cloudsdrinkwater]

NGL Thought it would be Cleverly… I thought wrong

[@dkkwikekikekke88777]

So who will actually vote for these people in the general election if reform doesn’t collapse

[@benlowe1701]

God, its like Jason Vs Freddy. You want them both to lose.

[@lastlast2078]

Pretty sure you're wrong about Stride never having a cabinet position since he was Secretary of State for Work and Pensions in the previous government. I suppose you can be forgiven since you're right about him being the least recognisable though.

[@iancooper418]

As a Veteran, it will be a cold day in hell before i vote for Jenrick.

[@fateenshareef8716]

Either of the two will have a degree of success in bringing back some reform voters. But chances of them winning a General will depend on who they Tories bled out to more, Lib dems/ Labour or Reform. Capturing either of the two will mean an increase in seats. They can't possibly go lower.

[@isaacho8230]

Wasn’t Mel Stride the Secretary of State for Work and Pensions?

[@oliverkerins5628]

You said Mel stride didn't have a cabinet position. Wasn't he work and pensioners secretary

[@SuperGion915]

Good thing I support Reform UK and not the Conservatives