Badtides strike early, but we have a counter! Timberborn Update 5 Folktails Episode 02

We had a wild and crazy first episode of this series, so let's take a second and apply some crowdsourced strategy this time around. A measured, careful approach should yield much better results.
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[@kahnwolfe9548]

Raise your hand if you saw the gates snap shut at badtide starts, and knew exactly how that was going to play out to set the gates to open when badtide ends. Hence why floodgates have a stream gauge option to connect them. Would assume you could set that to 0 contamination and they would open appropriately.

[@FurreverFaith]

That is exactly what it does

[@Steve-od2di]

heh.. I had just posted that and did a reload and seen your post. 1.5 days to rid the contaminated water will be a major OOPS. :)

[@krober37]

Yes, I saw that one coming when you set it. 😂 The beavers will live on

[@PauxloE]

Now we just need some kind of automated door/gate which cuts off a road when the water is bad, so beavers don't go collect wood beyond the water.

[@xcoregamerskillz]

Was about to comment this

[@Someone_in_the_comments]

31:20 watching you set the floodgates to instantly drop down at the end of a bad tide knowing that it takes a day or so to flush all the sludge out of the river and you're going to contaminate everything. Yes, I've done it myself, so I'm not casting aspersions, lol. We all learn the hard way. 39:50 - There we go!

[@thomaskemp8803]

If you put in a stream gage, the flood gates can be set to raise and lower based on the contamination levels

[@JCTheBeard]

Alright, then that's what we'll do. I was hoping that functionality existed!

[@kahnwolfe9548]

I love your title cards. They're clean, simple, easy to spot, and not some kind of terrible clickbait format like so many other channels are devolving into. It showcases something interesting from the episode, and lets us know its you. Also, longer episodes are fine and dandy. Gonna be honest, usually have one of your playlists running on the 2nd monitor while doing other things so I can follow along and glance over if I hear something interesting. The longer the episodes the more time I have to chill with one of my favorite channels during my day.

[@JCTheBeard]

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[@grimnir27]

Thumbnails have become such a meme. If JC were to conform, his would read: "Timberborn Broken Now?!?"

[@Steve-od2di]

Birch trees should be used to make Birchbark paper a upgraded version of paper. That could be used to make the dynamite casings, outer book covers etc anything you would need extra sturdy paper for.

[@Steve-od2di]

If you move the Flood gates at the little island a bit farther upstream and take out the cove, it should move the contamination farther up and keep the few trees alive. another advantage of seperating the river is you will be able to put water wheels on the bad water side and make a good amount of power.

[@kurtonela]

The Fallout tangent story is one of the main reasons I watch the vids! Jc being JC :D

[@nehulgupta4480]

I suggest that since you are going to irrigate the inner regions anyways why not just build all the utilities and houses on the river edge and have all the inner lands for farming? This will also give you more time to have a better solution for the bad tides instead of having to rush halving the river for more crop space

[@hallohoegaathet7182]

Instead of cutting the river in half wich is going to take a lot of logs and is only going to protect you so much from bad tides. Make a 2 high dam from the end of the island to the left and remove the barriers and with only 2 or 3 sets of flootgates you can divert all the good and bad towards and away from your village.

[@KTLove312]

Hi! ❤ I'm a fan of how you do your screenshots during the episodes, makes it feel like I'm more involved. 😊 And the way you have it laid out is one of the best ways I've seen it laid out, as far as Timberborn KZbin videos go. So far this one has had me on the edge of my seat a few times, so I'm enjoying it very much!

[@JCTheBeard]

Thanks! I appreciate the feedback 😎

[@IamHattman]

Ive always been a fan of plans that split the river for badtide control. It looks super cool with the bad tode and clean water next to eachother.

[@TheIhealme]

A suggestion for long term once you have bridged across the river. Move your tree farms across the river and replace the current area with farms instead. You can use the reservoir you just made for the aquatic farms without needing to do anything special.

[@InstructionalSparrow]

Loving the new series! I'd suggest going over the river, up 1 tile (where the old dead Oaks were), & planting a water dump with a new batch of Oaks. The current Oak forest seems a bit to inconsistent - with only 1 tile of water their growth will continue to be delayed in the longer draughts ...and your use of water dumps on that side of the river is somewhat friverlent already!

[@JCTheBeard]

We're going to be doing something like that over there. Next episode!

[@Krissco2]

39:44 my popcorn was ready! 🍿

[@JCTheBeard]

😂

[@SurvivalEliteJ]

40:35, man I felt your pain so bad, I was so hoping it wouldn't kill the trees. RIP Edit: instead of placing levees all the way, I placed levees and floodgates going straight down from your latest dam that you made, and removed the blockades, easy to allow water in and stop bad water. If it's not clear, you can check mine.

[@jasonjazzz5]

for the fluid dump, I've had success in the past putting them on a timer of 1 day on, 15 days off

[@JCTheBeard]

How did I not think of this before? That's genius.

[@Mcgamin074]

It looks like there maybe an almost pre built channel to divert the badtide at the bottom left of the river kind of by the island

[@IamHattman]

It works very well for that purpose.

[@JCTheBeard]

We'll take a look at that next time!

[@queryalways]

Happy Tuesday :) As someone who has a deteriorating sight issue I really appreciate a continuity with title cards & it really helps me if I'm having a low vision with text day, I can see at a glance (and know) the video series & creator. Also, from a Branding perspective; it's always helpful to keep your Branding concise, smart & maintained across projects. :) As for this ep, might I suggest investing in the Stream guage next? Help out with the flood gates so the whoopsie doesn't happen again. I was so saddened to see the entire new oak forest wither, I'm so glad you caught it when you did!! Have a fab Tuesday, I am looking forward to more eps of this series :)

[@JCTheBeard]

Stream gauges are coming next episode! As always, thanks for watching 😎

[@Drexos17]

classic JC. this is why "lets play" is better than pre-made edited videos

[@MusingsMuses]

Whitepaws Mod gameplay =Sideshow Bob constantly stepping on field of rakes. Hard Mode Folktails gameplay = meme of Cat in the Hat coming up behind a kid with a bat I like your title cards. Simple, easy to identify without even reading the title as a Timberborn video. I do like when you mix it up to show off a big upgrade like when you first unlocked decontamination pods in Iron Teeth.

[@dr_jacko]

Also, bring on the 1hr+ videos. Your long videos are great!

[@DisTurbedSimulations]

3:44 there is almost a pre-started spillway through the birch trees

[@thomaskemp8803]

There is a natural barrier to the south where the river reconnects. If you place a dam there you can divert the bad water off the bottom of the map without having to split the river

[@JCTheBeard]

Interesting, we'll have to take a look

[@hchapar]

You can make a canal between the village and the other side of the river, just like that when the badtide arrives. Your side of the river is protected.

[@cardicature]

Everything along the river dying as soon as a badtide strikes really makes one wonder how they grew up there in the first place. Amazing video btw, all the RNG from the IT playthrough really coming back to bite you XD

[@crowaust]

If you are going to split the river with levees it would likely be better to maintain the width of the badtide flow from the existing split, it would likely take about the same amount of levees as making it a smaller slither of good water, and has the bonus of potentially giving more good water for pumping for drinking. There is a spot for a small warehouse to put raw potatoes in between the old carrot storage and the grill :P

[@dr_jacko]

Could fold the badwater side for power creation purposes too.

[@TheJimmijay]

I am feeling you here! I had 130 beavers, fell asleep and woke up with badtide in my resivour, no save to go back too and 100 water and no food. Ended up at 1 adult and 9 baby beavers to save my game.

[@accident12123]

I played this map the other day, look about 10 tiles north of your flood gates, I found that spot perfect to deflect the bad tide and building up your original dams makes a nice early game holding pond. Steam gauges do work for contaimination open and close.

[@MrPierremare]

On the right-hand side, on the last turn down the mountain, you can block the river to divert the bad tide completely. That way you'll never have any bad water on the left side of the map.

[@PauxloE]

→ With the 1.5 day delay between the season switch and when it arrives at your colony, the automated switch is likely less useful. I think getting the stream gauges to switch things based on pollution will be the next important thing to do. Until then, I guess you need to operate the floodgates manually. → As mentioned by others, until you can get the bad water problem solved, I'd recommend putting your buildings at the location where the ground is regularly contaminated, so you keep the farm space clear. → Uses of extract for Folktails: The dirt extractor uses one extract for getting 6 dirt (for terraforming), and the refinery uses it to make catalyst for bots. The explosives also need bad water directly, so there is at least a bit of incentive for getting a bad water pump at some point, if not the centrifuge. → As also suggested by someone else, instead of splitting the river in length, building a 2-3 level levee/floodgate thing a bit upstream and then shoving the bad water over the mountain pass might be best. Then you can also increase the height of your lower dam to contain more water during the harsh seasons.

[@SnyperMK2000JclL]

Extract: used for Tier 2 and 3 Explosives, Dirt Excavator, and Medical Bed. You cant forget about the Medical Bed, it is super important. I really do would like to see more race specific production lines and variations using some of the resources available to both. Id also really like to see some other races in vanilla as well as some sort of campaign style playthrough path. Like creating settlements to a specific progression point, inventory level, or connecting to a special node at the edge of some new maps that would lore wose connect to neighboring settlements or new lands to settle. The goal would be to get to some lore specific location, possibly bringing the multiple races together throughout the campaign missions. As much as i do love the sandbox build it as much as you want and how you want aspect of the game id still love to see some structured story side to the game as well. The idea of even more races with unique race specific resources and/or production lines each having their own lore/beliefs from over the ages of isolation from the other races of the world. Ooooh imagine a race of Icy Beavers that live in frozen areas and have unique ways of going about even the simple tasks of the game. Now keep in mind that all this would be on par with the vanilla races, no crazy bonkers super duper convoluted progression/tech tree like the Water Beavers mod... although id love to see a vanilla water beavers that keeps the aspect of nearly everything being a home/dam but with the vanilla level of production/tech tree. I have put in enough time on the U4 Water Beavers mod, i dont wanna deal with 37 step processes that take 192729273 real world hours to accomplish. LOL!

[@Redneck353]

Already see the fun with the trigger and badwather flowing in since clean water takes 2 days to get down the helix

[@Silly2smart]

At the river outflow area, I put a row of dams on top of a row of levees for more water reserves. Then I blocked of the river fork with levees on the "north" side and levees with 3 one high water gates going north-south. Then I destroyed the removeable dams south of that. So, on bad tides you just raise the flood gates and the bad water with flow out to the south.

[@Drexos17]

Classic JC quoting Nirvana unintentionally. "We can plant a house, we can build a tree" - Breed

[@JCTheBeard]

Sometimes my genius is blinding 😂

[@notabandicoot5227]

You really should throw in some waterwheels since they can be used a lot of the time If you’re going to put platforms in across the river, don’t do it during bad tides. Haha

[@PauxloE]

Building platforms can be done from above - just don't do it where they can use the stairs to build them from below.

[@JCTheBeard]

Water wheels are coming next episode!

[@notabandicoot5227]

@@JCTheBeard yay!

[@blackoak4978]

Don't forget that levees block water and Badtide effects. I don't know if you've already done it, but you could just line the river in levees since you have the water dumps in place

[@HeyItsRykon1]

I ended up giving the map a go on hard as well with the folktales, there is a large reservoir across the other side of the river, I ended up migrating my beavers across and setup shop there, made things much easier.

[@jasoncoates1835]

That river island sure is a strong shape.

[@brendotheoffendo]

Another dam across next to path near the water pumps will not only help store more water but will get beavers over in Badtides. Or even put levees, then dams, where the last dam is and raise the water level a tile all the way back. Either way, build more water storage. 😂

[@zachariahrich3354]

That bay area by the pine trees, next to the first dame, if you dame up that bay with a flood gate you could store some more water and later you could lower the land even.

[@zachariahrich3354]

Keep the juice back in bad tides

[@sallyscott4477]

If you go with splitting the river I suggest making sure the far side (bad water side) is wide enough for water wheels, then you will have power in both temperate cycles and bad tide cycles 😊

[@JCTheBeard]

River splitting will take a while, probably, but we're going to definitely put water wheels in soon!

[@natem4412]

Not sure if you know this but you can use the mini storage units as platforms to cross rivers very early. 3 logs each, no science required. Fastest way to get from A to B. Very helpful on hard mode.

[@JCTheBeard]

I've done that before and a lot of people complained about it being "cheating". Happy comment sections make better videos so I don't think I'll be doing that anymore 😂

[@jasonjazzz5]

you just need a visual check for the fluid dumps, the 0/15 is the water inventory they hold to dump, they'll have the levee area filled before before holding any long term in the dump

[@TheCaptainbeefylog]

It's interesting that the beavers can build bots, trains, gravity batteries, but can't run pipes or aquaducts. If your beavers have 3 minutes where they're not flat out, then build another water tank and a set of stairs leading up the cliff. Eventually you'll have heaps of water stored and access to the top of the cliff. Lining the river bank with contamination barriers is going to be a "Hero Project". Blast in a badwater diversion channel from the island and off to the 'left"(?) of the screen? Also ask the devs/mods for a compass pointer! lol

[@JCTheBeard]

We're going to be working on that... eventually

[@TheCaptainbeefylog]

@@JCTheBeard woot! I'm helping! lol

[@laughingvampire7555]

you can build leves across the middle of the river so the river will have two flows, and all your land traps good water and the bad water goes from the other side.

[@PSNMark_-_]

Why don't you just destroy the blockages and use levys to divert bad tide to the south (bottom left)? instead of cutting the river in two?

[@mikeriley2475]

What if you build some (Back up) badwater pumps in your good water .... reservoir that way if the reservoir gets contaminated you can pump out the badwater

[@JCTheBeard]

That'll be a good future project. Not sure that needs to be a priority just quite yet, but we'll keep it in mind 😎

[@thomasfplm]

11:37 Something that could be an interesting challenge would be to never cut for logs a tree that was planted by a forester (unless it died and you need to free the space).

[@johanhoekveen6353]

you should unlock the stream gauge so you can connect it to the floodgates, it also works with the bad water

[@walkir2662]

- I would unplant the trees closest to the floodgates that die during each badtide anyway. or at least reduce them down to birches so there's at least a chance you get anything from them. - completely unrelated: The large pump has depth 4? Nice! Not Ironteeth good, but still a nice improvement, especially with 5 times the water pumped. Thanks for that mouseover. I missed if it needs more workers, but still. - reminder: gears for medium tanks!

[@JCTheBeard]

We're going to mess with that area a bit more next time. And I didn't notice that about the large pump. I guess I need to pay more attention!

[@walkir2662]

@@JCTheBeard I stopped the video there as i was looking for stats on that thing ever since seeing it in the patch notes. Didn't think to look for staffing, though, and couldn't find it again later with reasonable effort.

[@user-zw8dt6vz9u]

Would be cool if you could get birch bark for paper maybe

[@JCTheBeard]

That is a good idea! I also would be interested to see if there could be a combined use, like maybe birch bark + extract = a sort of "turbofuel" for smelters and other buildings that burn logs for fuel

[@methusmit5015]

Hi at 41:00 if you let a bit more badwater in until the badwater reach the drop and then close the gate, it would have "suck" the bad water out without having to wait for the evaporation. Not that it help that much in this senario since bad water was coming but it can be usefull to now.

[@janebannister9793]

I went south west over the river and opened up the lake using levees and flood gates.

[@Dealanach]

I liked having dandelions for the herbalist, but I do think that in terms of game design using the berries instead makes more sense. Especially since most people didn't bother using them.

[@destroy141]

With hiw often bad tides are so far, you really need to grow some trees other than oaks. You just don't have the time to get them grown before something kills them, and some wood is better than no wood

[@alexsetyawan8843]

The island in the middle river looks very familiar 😂

[@thomasfplm]

It would be cool if you had to place the hammocks between trees, so they would be attached to the trees.

[@Steve-od2di]

ack flood gate opens when bad tide ends.... BUT it takes 1.5 days to remove the contaminated water. stream gauge and set it to down when contamination is gone.

[@JCTheBeard]

That's the plan!

[@Sorgris]

Love ur stuff.

[@Dealanach]

The automatic "badtide ends" gate timer is going to open up before the badwater has finished clearing out, and you're going to kill your trees. Calling it at 31:05, but maybe you'll realize before the end of the video. Edit: Learning the hard way is still learning, right?

[@jasonjazzz5]

probably catch it before the end, but missed a path to 1 medium storage, specifically grilled potato storage. yup, got it lmao

[@dark0zero]

try putting levee barrier besidea the river even if it cost so much but it will minimize the contamination on the land beyond the leveed area.

[@dart3596]

As requested! Hi! Enjoy your Wednesday!

[@notabandicoot5227]

I think until you have levees along that side, you should plant quicker growing trees because oaks keep dying because long cycles. :( Or not. Cause you built what you needed! Yay

[@JuddMan03]

There is a lot of good land across the river that the badtide can not reach.

[@karintippett753]

In the past 4 days due to adding some mods and getting a new map, I have played folktails for 42 hours.

[@jamesharris5722]

You dont need to split the just ope the blockers on the left side. Then put levees and flood gates to push the water out on that side

[@telioty]

I think you shouldn't be planting oaks there as they will die well before they are anywhere near fully grown I'd maybe grow birches there for the moment until you get floodgates

[@MP3zilla]

39:50 i figured to you would notice what would happen about setting the floodgate to open when bad tides end. I recommend putting a stream gauge somewhere up stream and setting it to control the gates, purely based on contamination levels in the water, I'll post an example in the discord. When i finish the video. Also it's Simple Floodgate Triggers for anyone who wants this mod that JC badly mangled

[@andree-annblais9221]

I love that game but I wished that water damn could generate electricity just as the real life !

[@dr_jacko]

47:00, I would unplant the trees that get killed by the badtide. It seems a waist to have the forester replant trees that are going to be killed anyway.

[@skrymerU]

Does the new large water pump or efficient water pump or what it's name is take extract to run or build? If not it might be a good idea to start trying getting it. And maybe having the pumps running during bad tides if you have the beavers for it. A little water is better than none. Birch plywood, could be something that they could do something cool with.

[@notabandicoot5227]

I wouldn’t open when bad tides stop because of the cooling period. Def put a water gauge and make the mix of contamination to 0.01 and they’ll close.

[@notabandicoot5227]

Found out the hard way. 😅

[@Ticho57]

I know i‘m 3 Months late😅 but can‘t you keep running the waterpumps in a badtide? It says it filters the water but badwater just slows it down? Thank you for your videos! Greetings from Switzerland

[@lhouwie08]

Have you considered double stacking levies/floodgates on your first reservoir to trap more good water?

[@craigmcfly]

I'm playing in normal difficulty and I've had 6 droughts and no bad tides. I want to test my floodgate system!

[@SuperDriver379]

Would it be worth the effort to platform across the river and have a dedicated tree plantation and farm with fluid dumps? Seems like favorable land, Just to keep the stuff that has to grow away from the bad water?

[@JCTheBeard]

Tomorrow's video will be right up your alley, then 😎

[@switch158]

I'm a bit late to the video, but especially on a hard playthrough on helix like this, birch trees miiiight have been able to grow a few times and give you some logs, rather than the oaks that kept dying right away?

[@laughingvampire7555]

the pumps can filter bad water

[@pufan14]

if levees block bad water from impacting land could you just levee the coast?

[@Dealanach]

Has anyone does the math to compare the checkerboard tree cutting versus just cutting in stripes? I can think of an argument for checkerboard being better, but it depends on some behind the scenes game mechanics that I don't know the details of.

[@calvingreen1215]

Ok, can anyone answer as i dont have the game, wish i did, what level does the fluid dump keep the tile of water at? Had an idea but have no idea if it would work, can a fluid dump keep water topped up but not over flowing a dam? Meaning you would not have to wait to unlock leveys like on episode 1 to use a fluid dump early game and could of saved the crops earlier on? Hope that makes sense

[@JCTheBeard]

It *should* keep the fluid filled all the way up to the bottom of the fluid dump. But it doesn't let you adjust that height, it just goes until it "hits the switch" so to speak, and then it stops dispensing. So if you put it in an area that was surrounded by dams then the fluid dump would just never stop dispensing water, since the dams only count as something like 0.667 height and the fluid dump is more or less 1.000

[@calvingreen1215]

@@JCTheBeard cheers for the clarity, hope to treat myself to this game at some point 🤞 loving the series so far

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[@Petq011]

I don't want to be "that guy" but you know about the barrier that blocks contamination, right? You put it on the block of land right on the shore, and it blocks the contamination behind. So if I remember correctly, the trees stay hydrated from the bad water, but not contaminated.

[@Petq011]

True, it leaves less place for trees and plants, but they would at least be safe from the contamination, so yeah.

[@JCTheBeard]

At the time this video was made, we hadn't been able to make the materials required for the contamination barrier yet. We do eventually end up building some, though!

[@jacawandersmok9043]

Is update 5 live? Or still experinetal branch?

[@JCTheBeard]

Still experimental branch for now

[@youandrotube]

how do you have bad water in your game, but I don't have it in my game. is it a mod ?

[@PSNMark_-_]

Why don't you just destroy the blockages and use levys to divert bad tide to the south? instead of cutting the river in two?

[@Dragoon-tie]

Why not split the channel that your water flows down into 2 using levee's this would prevent contamination during bad tides without the need for metal which is a previous resource

[@jamespeacock356]

I think I win

[@Devilish_Fun]

[@Devilish_Fun]

🐸!

[@JCTheBeard]

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[@notabandicoot5227]

I still can’t get over the name “fluid dumps”. Sounds like something my ex would call me Btw, you do realise that the 15/15 is the stored water ready for release, not the water already that has been dumped don’t you?😅

[@Someone_in_the_comments]

Still don't know why you'd ever set fluid dumps to badwater, though. It's not like there are any plants which need it to grow.

[@notabandicoot5227]

@@Someone_in_the_comments would be awesome if there were bad water plants of some sort

[@JCTheBeard]

I think the whole "set the fluid dump to badwater" thing is just intended to be used as an easy disposal method. But I personally don't think I'd use it much.

[@jynx2501]

6 min in.... Less talking, more playing.

[@julienmeunierwolfgunnm6536]

In the end of video you were talking about the miniature of the video cause please keep it i sick of the click video

[@divyajyotibrahma8898]

Less action too much words. Too slow