Throne & Liberty or New World Aeternum?

[@BagginsTV]

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[@dl3472]

New World should label the game as FREE the first 20 levels and 60$ after that. They would get so many more potential players that way. The start of NW is pretty good

[@farguc]

why would they give the best part of the game for free? the end game sucks in this game. it's not ff14 where you can do 1-60 and still have the best parts of the game behind paywall. NW gives a free trial, people just won't bother to pay.

[@xavierpeypellise7176]

Why pay 60 dollars when you've TL

[@hdgdhnxbdx1619]

@@xavierpeypellise7176 Why would u play TL when is garbanzo

[@dl3472]

@@farguc ppl wont bother with a game that has mostly negative reviews. Are you telling me you want ppl to pay 60$ just to regret it after they hit lvl21? Lmfao you must be related to Kotick, take your little gremlins and go back to the stock market.

[@dl3472]

@@xavierpeypellise7176 tbh I paid 90$ back when this released on pc based on hype alone didnt realize i was paying for a broken alpha version of the game. They can salvage this mess if they want to just fire the incompetent ppl and ditch the woke DEI shit

[@red.fox28]

NWA gets my vote. Great video, thanks Baggins!

[@georgetrevino1294]

I'm just happy to have 2 MMOs come to the console!!!!! We have been needing new MMOs 💯. Now that we have new MMOs on consoles that seem to be decent it will make a bigger competitive market on console and will help bring us even more BETTER MMO games. Definitely playing both but I'm leaning towards NW.

[@tachipirina5006]

NW just better, dont lie.

[@antje0334]

Chrono odyssey coming to console awwell sick times for console players

[@Oryyyt]

​@@antje0334And Acheage Chronicles as well. Aiming for 2025 releases but I feel like they're gonna be delayed.

[@whocaresreallywho2464]

Got NW on pc and Throne on ps5, don't like how throne limits my farming of dungeons each day. Not keen on how the gear system works either, drop rates are poor and then is the case of getting the right triats.... is alot that Throne does that is annoying just so they can prolong the game. However if the removed the limits to farming and sorting out the drop rates and the don't mean for epic gear I mean for items like Salt!!!! Would prob enjoy it alot more but the grind is just crazy. NW is less forgiving in this. Personally I will prob continue to play both as they both offer different things that I enjoy and fills a gap while I wait for other games

[@farguc]

@@whocaresreallywho2464 it's a spiritual sequal to Lineage2, a game that is pretty much a poster child for korean grind mmos. The hardcore players of the game wanted L2 with better graphics. Thats what TL is.

[@jamesSmith-fl5wv]

I just played TnL and it got boring fast. Got two characters to 50. I played 30 hours of NW and got a few characters to 30. Im already wanting to play New World again. It was just more fun.

[@dl3472]

Day and night cycle for pvp sounds like an excellent idea. Why didnt new world copy that idea? Then pvpers get the rule the night and the carebears can gather during the day and craft during night time

[@billgibbs7793]

For me - and Ive played 6k+ hours on NW, and been on T&L for a few months Korea and now release - its NW hands down. T&L is a nice grind to 50, but boring as hell once you get to 50, and not really alot of things to do. Just my 2 cents.

[@josipnincevic]

As someone who didn't like T&L and am currently playing NW, how is NW end game any better

[@mouseinatrap1120]

What? NW's end game is War and OPR (and expedition leaderboard? bad, but okay) while TL's end game has siege, 2 different GVG, interserver GVG, worldboss conflict, arena leaderboard, -- and after that, you'll have challenge dungeon, dungeon leaderboard etc.. Just what are you talking about. NWs only good part is their combat system, anything else is trash. Combat even getting dragged by their desync from 10/10 score to 6/10 at max.

[@aj-np5dg]

Ehm, the lack of any endgame was the whole reason I quit NW

[@Bucs-ep6lq]

@@mouseinatrap1120 T&L’s end game are different versions of GvG. Both these games severely lack in end game content. But I would say NW has more to do. T&L doesn’t really have much pve content. Also, you mention leaderboards for T&L for end game, but fail to mention that NW has leaderboards for all that you mentioned. Dungeons, arenas, etc.

[@GalaxyCommander07]

played new world 3 years ago, now just waiting for aeternum to drop. played TL and bought early release, but game systems just don't do it for me lol. so excited for the NW redrop

[@casualgamer4112]

Throne and liberty has classic tab target and action combat options in the settings with mouse over lock vs having to tab or click.

[@wiznz3659]

I was wondering if something like this existed, do you know what the setting was called? I messed with mine too much cause im not familiar with tab target at all

[@SomeGuyFromUtah]

Hard disagree on the PVP... if you get in the right guild in New World, it's extremely organized with 50v50 wars. There's usually one shotcaller in a voice channel for the whole war, and then smaller groups split up in micro coms, every group has a specific comp and a specific role. The Throne PVP sounds like a big unorganized zergfest

[@swaggames_]

I know TnL is the something new for global, but honestly NW still feels better. I just wish they added more casual friendly pvp flavors.

[@antharper11]

If you like an MMO that allows you to relax and enjoy beautiful graphics, beautiful sound, and one of the best gathering/crafting systems I've played in an MMO play New World. If you enjoy time min/maxing builds, really grinding for gear, and being sweaty in PVP, choose Throne and Liberty. Both are very fun in their own rights.

[@DarrenExplorz]

Yea, I am going for NW. I need a chill game. Already have sweaty games like APEX and COD hehe.

[@Oryyyt]

NW is as sweaty as soulslike PvP which is closer to a fighting game with it's tight hitbox and based approach. They're both sweaty only in different ways.

[@DarrenExplorz]

@Oryyyt ill be in PvE only as much as I can only on ps5 servers no crossplay. Just want to chop wood fish hunt and crafting. I didn't clarify that.

[@Oryyyt]

@@DarrenExplorz It's ayt. I just meant it as a general sentiment. But NW has the convenience of flagging up so ow pvp is not a problem if you're not into it.

[@Our_Strange_Past]

I really wanted to like ToL, but after putting a lot of time in the game it’s just not holding me like I was hoping. Once NW is out I’ll be back on that.

[@PotatoGunCamper]

It is pretty simple and based on combat. TL's combat feels floaty, light and anemic; New World's action combat is high enjoyable. For me, New World all day.

[@B1u35ky]

Floaty? What are you talking about? You never played the game

[@Oryyyt]

​@@B1u35kyI did. The skills feel and sound impactful but it's too rng reliant and not really hitbox/percision based for the most part and the q block/dodge is too unreliable in pvp. Takes the thrill out of it. NW's Soulslike percision based approach is just more thrilling imo.

[@B1u35ky]

@@Oryyyt it’s an rpg of course there is RNG. As for “souls like” New World is not souls like and now that it has aim lock the skill ceiling has been destroyed.

[@Random-ness-1]

played about 1700 hrs in NW and im at about 70 in TL... ill be leveling up again in NW. TL was fun for the time, but NW IMO has come a long way. crafting and weapon specialization is alot more fun and forgiving.

[@sylvarixreaper]

Excited to make an Iron Man on New World relaunch

[@Chinosk412]

Lamest shit I’ve ever heard lol

[@sun4all299]

Wym

[@npgchef]

Iron man is were you make self made rules in game. Like no trading or using the trading shop at all. Some people also add in if you die you have to delete char and start again.

[@Joan-kr1jo]

For me, TL is buggy as hell. Got stuck lots of time while doing quests, disappearing markers and laggy controls. I'll give NW another chance, hope they will add more repeatable content.

[@xoxo3337]

same questing is a pain on console , also the bugs cant finish quest or items dont show up to finish it

[@jacob5288]

I'm trying really hard to enjoy TL, it's really nice and beautiful... but the controller bugs make me wanna just throw it and smash my screen 😢 No M&K support for console makes no sense... 💔

[@merrilllee4878]

Well considering how much improvements have been made since it's mobile mmo like systems before to now, im sure all these bugs will be worked on eventually.

[@merrilllee4878]

​@jacob5288 because it's console? Though I do wish they have a better integration for keyboard. So I can type while using controller

[@jacob5288]

@@merrilllee4878 so what? Current gen can't handle it? Self limitation is such a brainless concept. In a shooter I might understand it... but in a mmo? What would be the point on cross platforming then? It's console... yeah, so what?

[@ReadR00ster1]

I don't know. I think NW dungeon mechanics are pretty good. Making mechanics super complicated seems like a silly thing to me. Just my preference.

[@Tygaera]

You can edit the HUD for T&L. 36:50 This statement is incorrect.

[@BagginsTV]

You cannot edit the HUD with a Controller Plugged in / when playing on Console. Only Mouse and Keyboard.

[@chronos1112]

mmo on console is a problem in itself

[@paduarte]

He said you can't change UI for Console / Controller mode. This is correct. You in fact can't change it ☹

[@tiersei]

If Rise of the Angry Earth would ever go on sale, I'd probably hop back into New World for Aeternum. I just really don't feel like paying full price for that but also don't want to feel gimped without it's features.

[@HowWeSeeItPodcast]

Just buy it 😈

[@brianmack3665]

Go back for free, if you fall in love all the extra stuff is going to be worth the 30$.

[@tachipirina5006]

bruh are you for real gonna mind to spent 30 euro? are u living under a bridge?

[@davep5788]

@@brianmack3665 That is my plan, but I'm not sure how long I will be able to deal with not having a mount.

[@PinnedOut90]

Buy it bro this new dlc is free and new world wasn't 60 off rip so it's worth it plus they added so much stuff since launch

[@DarrenExplorz]

New to MMO, I am trying out TnL just to get familiar with mechanics and upgrades etc. Its fun but man its very overwhelming with the UI and Upgrades. What I do like about it is the Face creation customization compared to NW. I already preordered NWA for the PS5. Can't wait to dive in!

[@dreamforger7166]

I mean I get the hate towards New World... but I would still pick New World over ToL 10/10 times!

[@matheusvicente1666]

U forgot about new world’s influence rush in the pvp part

[@cuernavaca_4070]

The much more intricate collection/lifeskilling/refining/crafting system of NW, its action combat and the player-based market make it a clear winner for me. Without talking about the horrible pay-to-win system in T&L.

[@safermurderweapon]

Or the janky tab-target combat

[@andrasylvan9915]

It's not that horrible stop being dramatic. Do you cry in real life because people can pay for things you can't?

[@ominai1877]

I agree. I prefer NW.I love the active block in tanking and the action combat. The world feels more alive to me. I just could not resonate with TnL after 30hrs on kr servers.But TnL p2w is exaggerated. After spending about $1500 you still will get owned by people. And a f2p player can still catch up to you w/o spending a dime. A lot of people are enjoying it and realize they are not getting owned by p2w folks.

[@B1u35ky]

@@cuernavaca_4070 new world is more p2w than TnL because you have to spend money to even play the game. Oopsies

[@Jaylot-cn8ub]

@@andrasylvan9915 Its a hyper P2W game. Stop the cap

[@SomeGuyFromUtah]

Endgame progression is the single biggest problem in New World... Always has been an issue in some way or another. I think the content they've added makes it a solid product except for the gearing system.

[@bazzamush]

You are right with that. But TL is even worse endgame wise so if we are having to choose to between one of the two then its still NW for me

[@EstellammaSS]

@@bazzamushYou’re comparing a 3 year old game with a one week old game. The fact that NW still has ass end game means the developer are either complacent or incompetent. I will bet on Korean devs that are way more familiar with MMORPG to surpass NW in a few months

[@SomeGuyFromUtah]

I keep hoping they figure it out. I'll take anything over p2w garbage. Imo they should take a page out if destiny's playbook for gear score. Destiny has its own style of problems but the progression wasn't ever at the top of the list that I can think of.

[@Teaganharris]

The biggest factor IMO is like you mention the roadmap. NWA has a grim future IMO with maintenance mode for the rest of its lifespan likely being the future. Where as T&L is new and hasn’t disappointed us for 3 years straight. Plus the Devs for T&L are going to want to capitalize on the current hype so the potential for it getting better is higher, idk just my take.

[@Exosfear13]

i played peak new world, but i still find t&l better just because i see more players. MMO should be massive.

[@arthurlayao3465]

So just play WoW or ESO if you want more players?

[@hdgdhnxbdx1619]

dumbest take ive read so far. " GAME IS SHIT BUT BECAUSE IT HAS MORE PLAYERS ITS THE BETTER GAME" lmfao some ppl.

[@gimmieyurfries]

@@hdgdhnxbdx1619it is a MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER ONLINE OPEN WORLD GAME is not? I’d imagine a lot of people play MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER ONLINE OPEN WOLRD GAMES to have many players, just a guess though

[@Gavyne]

T&L is pretty fun up until endgame, then you gotta join the leading large alliance that's running the server or the game turns boring for you. I feel NW is a bit more fun all around for soloers & groupers, with a slightly more interesting combat.

[@whathappenedto9374]

Is that so? Heard you can also pve

[@danikmoroz2328]

So there is really a problem for "solo" type playing in endgame ?( heard it couple times already and only invested like 4-5 hours in TnL but sounds frustrating :(

[@newax_productions2069]

​@danikmoroz2328 yeah your drop efficiency goes to the floor in Throne and liberty without a group. I've played over 60 hours and hit 50 a week ago. It's still fun but don't expect to be progressing consistently solo.

[@yanewstepdad1355]

@@Gavyne agreed

[@gabrielb238]

I have around 50 hours in T&L, and lategame is a bit frustrating. It feels I am constantly chasing just increasing my CP, praying for drops and repeating the same dungeons endlessly. I hate pvp so I only do PVE, and in my opinion it's felt flat.

[@arise14]

Some differences that you didn't mention: New World you need to switch to the weapon to use the abilities. T&L you can use the ability for the other weapon without swapping weapons. More content also unlocks in T&L when the server completes milestones. This includes new areas, new dungeons and new events until all milestones are complete. New World the content is already there, you just need to progress to get into it. T&L Boss mechanics are mostly forgiving. If you lose one person in your party, you can still complete the boss. There's no enrage timer. New World, you lose someone you might have to restart the boss fight because you don't have enough damage to beat the boss before the enrage timer. T&L there's no durability or PvE penalties on death. New World, equipment has durability. T&L has open world dungeons contracts that you can complete which are separate from the daily contracts. They give you pouches that have a chance to give you an epic piece of gear and those pouches will give you additional open world dungeon contracts. The tokens for these open world dungeons increase item drop rates, exp and gold by 400% and can be obtained from completing other activities like contracts, public events and co-op dungeons.

[@danikmoroz2328]

TnL also has somewhat Action Combat - u can freely choose between classic and this one. Most of the skills still require to select a target rather with mouse or Tab and be in necessary skill range to use it. So it's clunky, but still. NW combat system ofc way much better over any other and has no alternatives still.

[@starsgt]

6:35 - No - as of Season 4 Gems update, the full weapon will now scale with Focus; though they did nerf the scale rate from 80% to a 65% rate (55% rate if you use the gem casing) if your Focus is high enough. So healers (or more accurately, Focus builds) can effectively use any weapon decently enough with an Amber or Sapphire Gem attached to it. They will never give Focus healers more damage output than someone with dedicated primary scaling, but they can at least get somewhere respectable.

[@NuffSaidBread]

I was really looking forward to new world fresh start but throne and liberty has me hook line and sinker so that’s out of the window

[@ThatDanishFellowPlays]

It would have been NW, but after they added AIMLOCK in PVP, almost any other tab-target game is better than NW, including throne.

[@vladimir4526]

Chill it will get nerfed

[@Festiino]

EXACTLY. Completely negated the whole action combat appeal that drew me to it. If you don’t have to aim how different is it really from tab target? Hope those on console enjoy it

[@mightymort915]

Throne and Liberty seems like a FOMO hell tbh, gives me Archeage vibes, but not in a good way.

[@jeffreysevinga9398]

The combat in NW is just more fun. TL is nice but i'm already bored with all the skills feels like any other MMO

[@starsgt]

17:35 - There are indeed only 11 mutated dungeons, but mainly because they combined two early game dungeons into one merged map for the mutated version.

[@curriedsnagz-fn.1667]

I like new worlds combat way more and the fact there is loot in the open world

[@NZ-cv5cj]

I have more faith in the producers of guildwars and lineage. The game is semi disappointing by those same qualifications but they have been listening. I have alot of friends that play BDO and went to throne because it feels like they actually want to earn our time on their game. It's genuinely built around having a player base so if they piss off the community the game is dead. Which explains the delay and fixing their stuff before releasing it to us. They've done alot in a short time, and for the overall development time you can really see it. This game has alot going for it and is certainly larger scale hand crafted than a bragged game of different genre like starfield.

[@Chinosk412]

Also, NW is less pay to win because gear doesn’t matter in NW as much as it does in throne. Yeah the gear can help you for sure but NW is determined off of your skill lvl. Movement, potion management, cooldown management, etc. TL is just a bunch of button spamming with minimal cooldown management. It’s all a bunch of stun chain horse shit lol

[@RussKarlberg]

Both. NW is my favorite but I will run out of the new content quickly. TL is boring combat, but nice world to explore and it's better than nothing, since there are no other new MMOs....

[@lucaspascual6042]

I'm going to be completely honest. I have 2k hours in NW and have already accumulated 150 hours in TL. TL is a great game and I'm having a lot of fun. It makes me sad that they came out at the same time because, if it wasn't for NW release, I'm sure I'd be playing TL. What makes me opt for NW is mainly the crafting and combat, aspects in which I consider NW to be far superior. We all know that we can't play 2 MMOs at the same time because of the time consuming nature of these games.

[@davep5788]

I don't like PvP (I don't play it, therefore I'm not good at it, therefore I don't like it, etc.) and I feel like the PvP is more mandatory in TL.

[@GhostRare]

It's Zerg fest on there with no real skill involved just a numbers game

[@jamesSmith-fl5wv]

Absolutely mandatory to get best gear.

[@darrenbates8897]

you do know most 725 gear comes from Pvp in NW right ?

[@Jayfour96]

ask yourself p2w or non p2w. and you get answer

[@merrilllee4878]

Lol what a moronic take. TL isn't p2w.

[@Jayfour96]

@@merrilllee4878 right

[@Jollyjocks]

TL's best weapons and armour cant be put on the shop so you have to grind to actually get the best endgame gear, you can pay to speed up the upgrading of these but it wont put you that much further ahead becuase not all upgrade mats are purchasable

[@BeeBopGaming]

NWA 100%

[@connorsapp5235]

I read that incorrectly 😂

[@Dreadful-Grope]

Gangsta gangsta

[@BeeBopGaming]

@@connorsapp5235 lol 😂 I should probably fix it then. 🤪

[@BeeBopGaming]

@@Dreadful-Grope 😎

[@shanepennington4264]

I tried the new Xbox beta of NW and the T&L release. I’ll say that T&L will draw in more new players as it just takes off in a better way. The pushing people to guild up part will benefit the users as well and keep more people engaged. The content map keeps people excited for the future. Also I feel like people enjoy complexity in an MMO. Not saying I won’t give NW a deeper look, but T&L sucked me in day 1…NW did not.

[@Dntbehasty]

One thing that's left out of this is dev interaction to the player base. NW does do dev blogs, but they have a bad track record for not listening to their player base, sometimes back talking player comments, and not being able to interpret their own data within context. T&L immediately made changes after Korean backlash, and worked on player requested changes from beta. NW player treatment is also part of why its player base crashed so hard.

[@Wavycapx]

3 abilities... its barely an MMO, is why it crashed out + horrific launches, horrible connection. The game is just bad.

[@Dntbehasty]

@@Wavycapx oh that was the initial crash for sure. There have been multiple ones though which all took more and more chunks out of the player base

[@leo9528950]

I play both and NW and T&L and New World is the better game by far, both games struggle with the end game but New World has a better balanced end game IMO, also the gameplay and combat in NW feels MILES better than TL its so much more fluid and fun its something TL has tried to improve last few months but its sadly still not there.

[@Kaang_Plays]

Have no choice but to stay with New World, as Amazon will not release Throne & Liberty in my region. I was part of one of their other Beta titles, paid up front before release only to be locked out regionally, no refund from Amazon.

[@CalibanATX]

Having played T&L for about 100 hours nows, mostly as a solo, i can confidently say that PVP is not fun. Unless you have an organized guild to lean on and take on the zergs, pvp will consist of insta tab-targetted / insta death. Even trying to hang on the edges and pick of stragglers does not work. The boundaries are well defined and roaming groups will swarm the edges to pick off solos. you wont find any 1 on 1's, and hardly anny 2v2 or 3v3. It seems like large guilds killing everybody.

[@farguc]

Just join a guild? Game is guild based. Ofc you will get rekt as a solo in open world pvp. I'm 84 hours in, and just started pvp'ing after doing it few times with the guild in OWD. If you want more focused PVP 3v3 is great. I've gotten sick of running the co-op dungeons so started 3v3 pvp'ing. I don't normally pvp in mmorpg's but in TL it's fun. For anyone saying NW is the more casual PVP experience is on crack. The games use 2 different systems. TL the focus is more on using the right skills at the right time and playing off synergies, meanwhile NW pvp suffers from broken netcode which just leads to people exploiting the mechs to get the W. TL has the perma-stun/sleep builds that are annoying too, but if you are with a group/guild at least other players can dispell you. In NW if someone is using exploits, there is nothing you can do, just sit there and die.

[@GW2Vids1]

Would love to see content from you in T&L. I have way over 1k h in New World and not planning to come back right now.

[@danikmoroz2328]

I played TnL like 4-5 hours only rn but got a lot of disappearing sounds bugs/server error/stuck in terain. The worst one is sound problems during cut scenes as i totally breaks it ;(

[@vesavius]

Played for 50 hours and had none of that. well, got stuck once. What are you playing on?

[@dalet9841]

I like the morphing in throne and liberty but the graphics are bad. New world needs a better story line of the two I think new world is best

[@SomeGuyFromUtah]

I think it's worth pointing out since New World is not a tab target MMO, the pvp system would not work correctly unless the body sizes were the same. Otherwise any pvp player would just make themselves as small as possible.

[@neoconker2k8]

Which one ? Imma play both get to endgame and move on to the next game like always .

[@meow-wv9yc]

I can feel the T&L system is pushing me in a way that incentivizes me to spend money .

[@aznrobot9637]

Nope i have almost 60 hrs in game and still enjoy free to play

[@M00nJuice]

The only reason they put a daily limit as small as 3 dungeon per day. is to incentivize people to pay money. it's literally the most p2w game on the mmorpg market atm and it's not even close

[@aznrobot9637]

@@M00nJuice there is a lot of stuff u can do to farm gear not just doing dungeon

[@horineesgaming7354]

​@@aznrobot9637bro wtf is 60 hours , that's nothing to even know that u still at the start of an mmo😊

[@Casual_BackPacking]

You can farm premium currency in game new world you can not

[@paoktaison11]

Guys one question for both games: It matter which one is the primary weapon and which one the offhand weapon? For example Bow/Staff and Staff/Bow are different or the same ?

[@Oryyyt]

In TnL your active wpn dictates your auto-atk. You swap between 2 wpns anytime and you have a 10slot hotbar you can freely customize with skills from both weapons. In NW your offhand is just a shield only if you choose a 1handed wpn. You also swap between 2 wpns anytime but you can only use the 3 skills of your active weapon so you have a total of 6 plus 1 special if you unlock it.

[@merrilllee4878]

The difference is auto attack, it also imo affect the roleplay and your immersion into the game. You get to pick the abilities you want from both weapons and slot them to your hotbar. You don't have to swap weapons to use bow/staff abilities vise versa. So there's little difference between primary and secondary weapons. I play dagger/crossbow, so I'm always in melee range. Although most of the builds out there have crossbow/dagger which fights at mid range.

[@rafaelantonio357]

New world, for sure

[@NatashaChannell-v9w]

I'm going to be hoping back on new world next week but I have enjoyed tnl since it's release. I think the end game and content section is a little unfair as new world has had 3 years of updates compared to throne being brand new, although other then dungeons, world bosses and arena, the mindless grinding for average gear is already becoming sour. Overall I think its a fair scoring

[@Oryyyt]

NW. I love Soulslikes and Action rpgs. Always wanted an MMO with that kind of action combat. BDO is too over the top and scuffed in group pvp, I don't want to play as a god with super speed/teleportation and terraforming attacks. Vindictus and tera are also dead. Tried TnL to max lvl cause they say combat gets better then. And yeah it's a hard pass for me.

[@tachipirina5006]

problem with BDO is that you cant do anything with your friends/guild, makes the game so boring unless u like to play just solo.

[@jamesSmith-fl5wv]

I felt the same. I got to characters to 50 and it just didn't feel right.

[@Oryyyt]

@@tachipirina5006 100%. It's a wonderful solo life-skill sandbox with sick combat but they also killed the pvp scene with that direction. But unless they make an engine upgrade the pvp will always look and feel scuffed to me.

[@Oryyyt]

​@@jamesSmith-fl5wvwhich is a real shame cause I like the progression trees and the idea of having 10skills max. The explosive fx and sfx are also really cool. But combat is too rng reliant, and not percision/hitbox based which is just not thrilling for me.

[@Birdieslayer71]

Where did you get that chair cover?

[@Devilsprototype1]

On a real note where did you get that skin for T&L 👌

[@byodinsbeard3945]

The fact that AGS has them so close is ridiculous NWA should have been September with TnL release November

[@TheBl4ckSh33p]

Easy, New World! No pay 2 Win, more PvE. And no silly talking dolls. 🥰

[@angryscan2970]

"HELPIE" 😂😂😂😂

[@warchiiif6589]

Yes 🙌🏻 no stupid dolls or plushies following me around. NW for me as well. I like TaL but it’s so hard to get used to the Tab Targeting BS. My character always picks a different target when I’m in a fight.

[@B1u35ky]

New world doesn’t have more pve

[@николайт-п8в]

I like new world!

[@ur_shulgi9133]

AGS messes them both up - so unless you are a fan of them, neither - especially if you are a PC player

[@TheAtmaNex]

My vote's for NW. I prefer that action combat, especially on console.

[@ThomasPreinitz]

I tried Throne and Liberty and it just felt awful from the very start, awful controls and combat.

[@nytegamer1542]

Exactly how I felt when I tried it.

[@skiddzjust1389]

yeah if you play on the microwave it's exactly how it feels

[@николайт-п8в]

@@skiddzjust1389 Do you think TL should only be played on 4080? my 3080 is bad

[@bunzzz07]

As someone who played NW and TL and a PVE player: Things I like in NW: - Combat fells really good and fluid - Story (sort of good) - Mounts finally Things I dislike: Lack of character customization Armor sucks cosmetics sucks (I really wanted to buy to change the look of my character, but, it just sucks!) expertise farm sucks and long queue times events are not as good and frequent as TL Reason made me quit: lack of content afterwards and my friends not motivated to play as, costumes or even normal armor sucks and the character just lacks so those factors made me lose motivation and so I quit. Now: things I like in TL: Character costumization Armors are cool looking, not even needing to buy cosmetics (already bought the battle pass) Im regretting not buying the early access packs as the shadow knight costumes are just DANG! Story rich (with good cutscenes) cool looking characters and some memorable ones vast world You can fly, swim, dash (wouldve preffered if they have actual mounts) open world dungeons and cool dungeons with great mechanics not need for a full party to complete so long as u know the mech (and queue times are less than 10secs or even less and I get it its new) Events (there’s almost an event every hour to keep you engage and its exciting as there are a lot of people doing those events Things I dont like: clunky combat particularly melee if only they can integrate combat of NW then oh boy! Cutscenes sometimes are not in line with the voicelines and I get it, its a korean MMO so yeah. There are Bugs obviously with all new releases of games but the devs are working on those Verdict: Personally, I really love character customization, armor designs and combat that feels good then add a compelling story, engaging and rewarding events, and boss, dungeon runs then im sold!

[@tristinhuggins1842]

What is that demon transmog you have??????

[@PedroRodriguez-xi7oj]

New world is the best out there. They are permanently slowed down by the damn engine. The NW combat is miles ahead of the competition, its a pity the amount of content added is that painfully slow. I've been playing T&L and its just not the same. I cant go back to selected a target and smash buttons mindlessly. They have some good ideas new world could add, like the taedal tower and the gates of infinity, its like solo dungeon and solo mutateds. its easy repeatable content. They could also add perk upgrades like T&L so they can have upgrade materials which is good as rewards in activities no one does because rewards are useless

[@Festiino]

Wait for the update, then you can select a target and spam your abilities in new world too

[@farguc]

So 1st - You don't mash buttons if you want to actually do damage, you do rotations, you pay attention to what skills come next. You mash buttons if you don't know what you are doing. 2nd - What in NW is miles ahead? The broken hitboxes? the Desync? The clunky animations? I liked NW, but AGS are incompetent. NCSoft isn't much better, but at this moment in time TL is the more promising game. In few months time we will see what really happens, when the p2w becomes more apparent in TL and people get to end game in NW and realize they haven't done shit to make it more enjoyable. The reality is that between NW and TL neither is the next big mmo. NW is tainted by it's past, run by complete idiots, meanwhile TL is an NCSoft game, which automatically makes it p2w heaven. I was hoping NCSoft seeing how well Gw2 does would lead them down similar monetization in TL, but obviously that didn't happen. NCSoft will fuck up TL, just like they did with all their other mmos, and AGS will ruin whatever good faith they built with the 5th release of the same game.

[@wiznz3659]

Guys when you put into perspective that T&L is a FREE game which released with MORE content than New World as a full priced MMO, I could go on forever on how this blows NW out of the water. There was new content relased within the FIRST week, and more scheduled within the first month.. The ONLY down side for me is the ping. I have levelled completely F2P and with the battlepass, and its really just a convenience factor. We act like G2G doesnt exist in NW and isnt punished whatsoever. Whales will always find a way to P2W. All that being said, if T&L had NW's combat, it would probably be the best modern-era MMO hands down. IT EVEN HAS GLITCH-FREE DOORS!

[@summaryjudgment]

My college had more students than New World has active players... the people still playing NW are hilarious.

[@gLobbZ]

Everyone whining p2w quite literally put 0 time into TnL lol, yeah you can pay, but you're gonna spend a small fortune and it's a miniscule difference. Everyone that cries about pay to win are people who dont put enough time into anything to make a dent even if it wasnt pay to win lol Its an mmo folks, the name of the game is grind, you arent gonna get fully geared in 4 hours no matter what mmo you are playing.

[@grobs4678]

Great video! I agree with almost everything you said. However, I'd like to make one correction regarding your points on progression. You mentioned that you're more of a solo player and therefore prefer New World, and yes, it's true that some items in Throne and Liberty are locked behind guild content. But if you dive a bit deeper into the game, you'll notice that the beauty of Throne and Liberty lies in its gearing and progression systems. There are so many different viable builds...everyone plays a class differently, and you have countless possibilities for upgrading your items to perfectly match your playstyle. While it's true that certain items are inaccessible to solo players because they're locked behind world bosses, the possibilities for your build are still endless! From my point of view, progression is actually one of the weakest aspects of New World and is by far the best in Throne and Liberty. However, the biggest reason I stopped playing New World is the incompetence of the developers. Listening to them talk somehow makes me angry. In contrast, when you compare them to the Throne and Liberty developers, you'll notice they have a clear understanding of what they are saying and doing. Their ability to modify existing features or implement new ones is impressive...just look at what they've changed since the game's release one year ago. But I do miss the combat system from New World. :(

[@Ink.Mapurol]

NW need to click a button to swap weapon to use skill in throne if you use the skill auto swap the weapon

[@mactol7239]

Another difference is that Amazon don't call their game an MMO. New world is an open world RPG. And New world holy trinity don't work. The tank can barely maintain enemy agro.

[@AesthMed]

Enemy aggro is fixed in new world aeternum so that the tank can more easily maintain it.

[@Ares_XO]

its fixed now, take into consideration that T&L was a game that started its developing in 2011...this says alot already

[@nonamename4367]

i used to tank in medium armor in NW m10 with hatchet and sword + shield. First two years were fun, now…. i wouldn’t know

[@thenumberonebeaner2211]

NW will be the better experience, T&L is too p2w... and the fishing.... NW has amazing fishing mechanics

[@RedJay81]

I plan on playing mostly New World with T&L being my backup game

[@gk4204]

I’ve played both of these games and in my opinion, New World feels better on console and T&L feels better on PC.

[@SkufAbuzevich]

What do you think Aeternum il less lag than New World that days)?

[@Rogerfoulger]

I enjoy and have played both at launch and will continue to do so casually for them also. But my current backlog of games and DLC's will mean they are on the back burner for now

[@BlackAlpha93]

I tried T&L but New World just feel much much better and fun

[@seabhacgra517]

Both games have alot of pros and cons. I played NW from the launch, quit and went back a few times. The biggest problem with NW is it's lack of anything to do at end game. All I could do was craft and apply to wars that ended up being more Lord of the Flies with hundreds of toxic kids and that's not gonna change with the new spin on the game. TnL has issues as well but at least it does PvP better and feels more fun to me, but that may be the euphoria of a new game too, we'll see as time goes by. TnL has alot of issues with instability of servers and other issues but for now TnL wins for me, but that's likely because I've already played the $#$#@@! out of NW in the last few years and TnL feels fresh and new.

[@1989Andrej]

I understand your points however comparing amount of content between game that is 4 years out and 1 year isn't good in my opinion and yet 4 year isn't much further with amount of it

[@vladimir4526]

TL is 8 years old

[@OGParzoval]

TL is the shiny new thing, but after a 2 year wait getting to 50 I find the endgame lackluster. We got people saying don’t roll on purples unless you’ll spend money on them etc. long long dungeon queues. AOE abilities barely do damage on tank builds. Locked out of mass PvP because the timers are too early for adults with kids. Back to NW for me I think.

[@farguc]

If you can't commit to set times in TL, you won't be able to progress with a guild, or you'll end up in a dead guild that doesn't progress, which then makes everything else harder. being part of an organized guild is paramount in this game. I would say NW is more respectful of your time, and the biggest issue with it is the end game, so for the leveling exp alone I think NW is worth it if you never played it on PC. If you have it's just more of the same, yes some things are better, but ultimately the same issues will make you quit it again.

[@Label07]

T&L has endgame, NW does not. They both have their strengths. After 3k hours in NW and knowing how trash the devs are, slow they are to update, how buggy each update is, how they charge for addons (gearsets), I have zero interest in AGS's MMO anymore. I will admit even though I like T&L much more, I HATE how hard growthstones are to come by and the fact you really can't play different roles (tank, healer, dps) you have to pretty much commit to one.

[@willlloyd6637]

T&L would be amazing if it had action combat…the combat is so stiff I’ll have to go with NW

[@essenmaelen6798]

"No endgame" yet has 3k hours lmao. Let's see you hit that in T&L.

[@maxmoanz6561]

They have the same endgame lol. Bunch of PvP and grinding the same dungeons and bosses, over, and over, and over.

[@arthurlayao3465]

@@essenmaelen6798 Makes me laugh everytime. dudes with 1k hours say "NW is boring, nothing to do."

[@captaingoodenhigh2557]

Have you alrdy checked out UO Outlands?

[@Wotanson56]

Even though I got chewedup and spit out several times I'm still gonna return to New World cause the fresh server starts are always one of the best experiences I had i that game. Also flagging for pvp any time you want is already instant win in my book. Timegated pvp and zerging isnt fun.

[@gregmashore4361]

NW kills TL easily

[@infantryblack]

Loving Thrones and Liberty right now and will probably stick with it.

[@yanewstepdad1355]

Got a good 94 hrs in with Throne & Liberty and to say i enjoy it is an understatement lol the only thing i dont like is that it is so guild based(im a solo player majority of the time). As for NewWorld I got to play the beta last month and had a blast. I dont mind the guild stuff, its just some of the ppl that are insufferable while playing. With that being said, both games are really fun and time consuming 🤌🏾

[@mysticalplatypus87]

I’m getting the itch to play an MMORPG again, it happens annually haha. Ultimately, I want WoW on consoles, my heart needs it as my PC is too old to run it. I’m hopeful, but until then I need something to get sucked into. T&L was promising but I feel you need a guide to not screw up the leveling process, the UI is broken with a controller, you have to activate cursor mode to navigate menus etc. monetisation seems all over the place, I hope it doesn’t end up where the game forces you to spend money for microtransactions etc. on the other hand I’ve yet to try new world aeternum, I’m gonna have to watch more videos on it. Thank you for this video though, very informative 😊

[@mallusdarkblade]

I don't think you mentioned it but TNL's optimization blows other MMO's out of the water, it's no contest.

[@николайт-п8в]

if you have 4080

[@NoAlias536]

SnS + lifestaff = Paladin. Yes, your sns damage will not scale with focus, but that doesn't mean the build will not work. It will work because of the utility. Another thing, for example, is the combination firestaff with Grea axe. You need a specific artifact that makes your firestaff scale with strength.

[@118042]

Or you can get The Abyss great axe, and scale with int instead.

[@Psych0.Cyyyyy]

wait a few years or compare the 2 at the same lifespan, meaning how the game was both at their 1, 2, or 3 year mark. I prefer NW overall but the game is a few years old now and should give TnL the same amount of time to improve for comparison. TnL still needs more time to improve and NW having a head start should continue to improve.

[@Lootwurst]

MAybe Throne and Liberty shows us how much we can actually do in New World

[@claudalex6678]

NWA all day long after 2 k hours spent on pc, tnl is fun till a point, but time consuming and guild focus, and all the p2w, no thanks. Let's roll NWA😅

[@Tenzordk]

6:09 mace gone from New World?

[@sirtreedom2123]

You forgot to mention one critical thing in choosing an mmo… that’s player count. New world struggles to break 5k on steam. TL will most defiantly drop in players in the future just like every game does but I’d wager it being able to retain more players… time will tell. If you looking for an mmo players are important. 200-300k or 5k give or take a thousand

[@mickdiebold517]

I have a stupid comment about T&L controls. How are people using keyboard and reaching for keys on the second weapon?… my fingers don’t stretch to keys 7, 8, 9, etc…

[@bat_poison]

you can bind shift+1, +2, +3, +4 for abilities 7,8,9,0 and use zx for abilities 5 and 6. or something like that.

[@mickdiebold517]

@@bat_poison ty!

[@rajofpsg]

I use a 15 button gaming mouse. My thumb has access to 12 buttons that correlate to all weapon skills. Can also chug the potions as well from the mouse button

[@hiranthadil]

I like how easy it's to heal in T&L

[@Purrrjury]

New world.