Bailed Wild Camp on Kinder Scout

Join me and @GrizzlyGaz for this wild camp up on Kinder Scout in the Peak District.
I tried out 'ultraheavy' camping and tested out the Wild Country Panacea 2 tent. My pack was 16kg in total for the trip.
Though the weather forecast looked OK when we set off, we never imagined it would change the way it did.
The wind changed direction after we’d pitched up and got up to 51mph gusts, flattening Gaz's NatureHike Tunnel tent, and eventually bending the poles on my Panacea 2 (I had trekking poles in place too!).
We decided we needed to bail. The choice was to wait until the morning, where heavy rain had been forecast from 5am onwards, or head down in the dark. Either way the wind wasn't scheduled to drop so we slowly and safely packed up our gear, and took a slow walk down Grindslow Clough at 3am.
I planned to test out a new Sea 2 Summit deluxe pillow too, but you'll have to wait for a verdict once I've actually slept on it!
Thanks for watching! Ben 🤓
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[@DaleyOutdoors]

Check out Gaz’s video from the camp 👉 kzbin.info/www/bejne/npWwdH6fmZdmb6csi=jo9pYWKTmmuC82M7

[@ladyb9108]

I’ve just Gaz’s video now to watch yours

[@jonathanclyne2427]

I'm quite prepared to be corrected but another "KZbinr" (Simon a bloke in the woods)was up Kinder scout at the same time as you in what looked to be the same tent! He tapped out as well... only in the morning rain. You made the right choice in my book.

[@GrizzlyGaz]

He was up there a few days before us

[@CragScrambler]

And folks say the hilleberg tents arnt needed for the UK 😂, seriously though, I'm from the Lakes and the past 3 or 4 years have been really bad for storms, they seem to be getting more frequent, so better to tap out and be safe than risk it.

[@DDLovett]

Hats off to you and Gaz Ben. I'd have bailed out long before you guys did.

[@DaleyOutdoors]

I wish we had 🤣

[@hazzardoutdoors]

Shagather christie!! I'm dying...😂😂😂

[@DaleyOutdoors]

🤣

[@bristolrovers27]

No blame for bailing at all. Tbh I'm very reluctant to move out in the dark, I'm clumsy enough in broad daylight but nighttime it's a nightmare ...but we all have our own worse fears

[@forsdykemontague1017]

I live on the Eastern side of the Dark Peak and over the last few years I’m sure the winds are getting worse not to mention the rain. I only camp when doing an extra long walk/run but then I use a Jack Wolfskin Gossamer I, very low profile tent that can handle sudden high winds 🥶

[@DaveWoods-ku5em]

Hi Ben you should use rocks to keep your tent flying away put them inside and around your tent to stop the wind from blowing away

[@sandraarmstrong1414]

stunning view

[@Dr.D00p]

Isn't the stress that comes with depending on trains turning up on time, or even turning up at all, in order to catch a connecting train, just the best feeling...🥺

[@DaleyOutdoors]

Yep lol. Probably on par with the stress of worrying if your car is still there in the morning when you drive 😆

[@patriciaphelps5875]

Nice to know British Rail hasn't changed much. 😂😂 I don't live in the UK anymore - be thankful there's a good public transport system though, in the US that's not the case.

[@davidf4897]

😂😂 The woolpacks...quite impressive if you like rocks and stuff... Climbed up to the Acropolis in Athens in the 1970s and coming down I was enthusing about the experience. My mate was quiet and I asked him what he thought. " Not bad, for a heap of rocks". Thanks, you took me back over 40 years 😂

[@DaleyOutdoors]

Haha so true though isn’t it! 😆

[@jenstone9308]

Yay! So glad to see you and Gaz out on a camp again 😁 A shame about the weather! It was so cute when Fendy walked over and sat in your lap 😍 Great video.

[@DaleyOutdoors]

She’s a cutie ain’t she 😆

[@Euphorixxx]

2:23 ol Gaz going back for that egg. Bit of behind the scenes ;)

[@hazzardoutdoors]

Omg again, jacobs ladder diet, you are on a roll my friend😂😂😂😂

[@DaleyOutdoors]

I do try lol

[@hazzardoutdoors]

@DaleyOutdoors mate me and Rob have both just watched it and love it. Totally very similar to our night too. Even my dehydrated meal had the same issue. 😆

[@louisekizer6941]

This was brilliant So enjoyed this It’s all about the journey love that you took the train Glad you came out of this safe looked quite dangerous Thank you

[@DaleyOutdoors]

Glad you liked it 👍 Ben

[@IvanDP1967]

Great video as always Daley. We had to bail this weekend too and our conditions were nowhere near as rough as yours. Glad your both back safe and sound.

[@DaleyOutdoors]

Cheers mate 👍 better safe than sorry eh 😆

[@chrismoore600]

Man that sucks. But the worst trips are the ones I remember the most. I'm just glad you two are ok. Outstanding adventure. Cheers

[@DaleyOutdoors]

Cheers Chris, it was definitely memorable! 😆

[@stevew585]

Watched both videos Ben, you did well to get of when you could, the conditions were horrendous mate!

[@DaleyOutdoors]

Sure were mate 😬😆

[@thebikepackingadventurer]

Winds are tent wreckers. Can turn so quickly especially on hill tops. The fire pot meals are great in my finding. Need to get the water raging boiling, and I’ve found keeping it inside either my Patagonia insulated jacket, or inside my homemade reflective bubble/foil pocket for these meals works well at keeping it hot and it cooks better

[@user-Sunshine2265]

Hi Ben ! I found you thru Grizz & have subscribed ! Thanks for your hard work & great vids bro ❣️

[@PhilWaud]

Great to see you actually camp. Your videos are always entertaining, thanks for sharing it with us.

[@DaleyOutdoors]

We didn’t camp 😆

[@PhilWaud]

@@DaleyOutdoors 😂

[@PhilWaud]

@@DaleyOutdoors it's a hard slog up there with such a heavy pack. Well worth going straight up from edale, it's just as hard but not as far.

[@rialobran]

You made the right decision. I've found with those weather apps that you can add a good few more mph to the expected windspeeds, snapped a pole in an Akto 'trusting' a weather app.

[@JEpps1956]

You guys had a crazy night😮

[@RM-mm4jr]

New Subscriber thanks from Grizzly Gaz. Love his adventures n Fendy. Ok, I'm all set... Lets Go n get blown away ~ LITERALLY 💖 From Australia

[@DaleyOutdoors]

Welcome aboard! 🤓

[@smallengineeringlimited2410]

you need a vango force ten tent, need to share the tent with your mate as it's old fashioned heavy but will withstand anything.

[@TripleXXXLady-im5it]

Really great video...I just loved viewing it!! It's always nice to have friends along with you. Gaz is a gas...and Fendy too. You both posted such different, but GREAT videos of the adventure. Glad you all managed to remain sane and alright. YES , you all made the right decision to pack up and leave when you did. Waiting for it to end up raining, and get all muddy, and slick to walk down out of there wouldn't of been a good idea. Take care and stay safe. ✝️

[@DaleyOutdoors]

Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. Ben 🤓

[@TripleXXXLady-im5it]

@@DaleyOutdoors Loved it!! Thanks Ben.

[@sonofagun9856]

deffo made the right choice imo, i watched gaz's video first and it looked horrendous although his tent didn't fail it could have at any time, better safe than sorry. i love both yours and gaz's adventures and love seeing you out together, cheers for taking us with you ben

[@DaleyOutdoors]

Cheers mate! Thanks for watching 🤓👍

[@dogdadoutdoors]

Its always the ones where you are the edge that make the best memories. Right decision? Hard to tell, I wasn't there, but you clearly thought about it, understood the risks and made a plan and that is the right course of action in my book.

[@hedgerowsandzeros]

The pillow-loc pads you mentioned work well, but a word of warning, they can make a mess of your sleeping bag. My pillow detached in the night and the patch snagged my 20D bag big time. 🙄

[@DaleyOutdoors]

Ah good to know. Thanks! 👍

[@hedgerowsandzeros]

@@DaleyOutdoors no problem. 👍 I'm thinking I need to get a circle of fabric off an old pillow to use as a blank over the loc-patch for when I want the pillow in the hood of my bag. 😄👍

[@reluctantfellrunner]

Best wishes on the next!

[@justinsaint6786]

Great Vid Ben ! Just shows how things can change very quickly when on an adventure. Thankfully I've not had to bail yet but im sure there's a first for everyone and you guys made the right decision. Hopefully you'll go back at some point, cause Kinder when the weather is good can be awsome. Ps maybe try one of the other routes up though 😂 as the views coming down the ladder are far better than going up 👌🏼

[@DaleyOutdoors]

Oh don’t worry, I won’t be doing the ladder again 🤣

[@justinsaint6786]

🤣😂🤣

[@antoniom.andersen6704]

That first clip had me in stitches, that tent almost flying out of there like Mary Poppins. You did the right thing by getting out of there IMHO, no need to stay in unsafe conditions, not getting any sleep and having to walk back in the rain but I think the amazing scenery was worth the trip, what a beautiful place. Glad you took us all along for the ride.

[@DaleyOutdoors]

Yes I'm glad we bailed but still glad we went. As you say, some great views, and still an epic adventure 😆

[@UrbanKiwiana]

Ello I popped over from Grizzlys side..was a mighty savage night of howling winds I think you two made the safest best choice I'd of done the same..no use staying at that point and adding rain to it would of been so much worse and dangerous leaving I feel.. Definitely had an adventure 😂, have an amazing week ahead..

[@kwameopoku5479]

Wow😮yes mate👍🏽

[@kwameopoku5479]

Looked bad pal long has both ok tho dred👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽

[@alanslade2319]

Hi just put you on subscribe and I’ll be watching all from now on. GAZ said I have to come and check you out and he was right , that was one crazy night for the both of you, I wonder if you’ve noticed if more people come over to watch you, because of that crazy night. Thanks again loved the show and I’ll be playing catch up, see ya soon AkA Alan from Luton 🛕🍻🇬🇧💯👍👍👍

[@DaleyOutdoors]

Cheers Alan, welcome aboard! Ben

[@mhpupacios]

Enjoyed the video - I think I would have been ok in a 1 man tent ( helm compact ) for the weight but hard to know on whether I would have bailed in that situation . I am quite stubborn so I may have stuck to my plans 😬🤪

[@TobyOneCanoby]

Good to test limits, but then again, I am getting old and like my sleep, so not sure I could be arsed with trying to battle with those winds. Lesson learnt on viable wind speeds, thanks for trying it out, so I don’t have to. I guess decent forecasting matters, unless you don’t mind the risk of getting up in the early hours, reckon it’s best to just dodge it in that weather though, or stay somewhere different, if you can find a spot with lower predictions that’s protected. Of course, forecasts are not all that reliable, so on the other hand, it would be easy to wuss out and never go out if too careful. No one died or got injured though, you adapted and sorted it out, so a successful outing, even if it’s not quite gone to plan.

[@DaleyOutdoors]

Agreed. We still had a great adventure, even if a bit tiring 😆

[@Mickoutdoors]

Bloody hell defo right decision lads, great video Ben, i was outa breath just watching you climb the ladder !! Well done mate 👏 👍

[@DaleyOutdoors]

They need to put a stair lift on that thing! 🤣

[@Mickoutdoors]

@DaleyOutdoors haha we are in the lakes at the minute and our lass said they should have cable cars going up to the mountains, and I agree 🤣🤣

[@Paul-hl4cj]

not seen a pancreatic tent before but know the pain from a pancreus

[@Curlew-Corner]

Hello Ben and Ruby. It looks really a nice tent. Very much like my Nordisk Telemark 2 in shape, if a little heavier, but less in price (I paid £400 for mine with a footprint. It was used only twice but I think it would have been way over £500 new). Any way, I like it. And there’s much about your new tent that I like too. Really interested to see how you get on with it in the field. Good to see Ruby helping out. E

[@grahamscothern4319]

Glad you got down safe mate. Not great your tent pole bent. I would have expected that tent to cope with that wind. Especially with the trecking poles in. Cheers G

[@DaleyOutdoors]

Yes me too! Terra Nova are sending some replacements out, though I'm not sure I trust it now. On to the next one I think.

[@SussexOutdoors]

Brilliant video chap. You both took the right decision there! With regards to your meal getting cold, have you thought about using an insulated pouch to keep it warm while it's hydrating? 👍🏻

[@DaleyOutdoors]

I've seen the pouches but never tried one. This one did stay warm but was still rank in the end 😆

[@SoloSarahBX]

A few weeks back I abandoned a camp at Fairbrook Naze before dark due to strong winds and driving rain that wasn’t forecast to be as bad. Alone, wet through with no way to contact the husband I bailed and I have no regrets. I had my Soulo on my back but it didn’t make me want to stick it out. I got back, got in the bath with hot soup and had a good sleep dreaming about the next time 🙌🏻

[@DaleyOutdoors]

Good move, especially if you’re in your own. I wish we’d bailed earlier and made last orders at the pub 😆

[@SoloSarahBX]

@@DaleyOutdoors I just watched Gaz’s vid too. That was BAD! Where you pitched is probably one of the worst places unfortunately especially when it’s gusting as much as that with the wind coming in that direction although a good move getting lower for an easier, safer escape route. You should explore the Northern edge. It’s truly beautiful. Better luck next time guys! If there is one? 😅

[@DaleyOutdoors]

@@SoloSarahBX Yeah we've been up Bleaklow and tempted to come down to the north side from there. I'm not going out with Gaz again though, he's bad luck! 🤣

[@SoloSarahBX]

@@DaleyOutdoors he really is 🤣🤣🤣 you make a good duo though, I say sniggering through the film 🎥 😂😂 keep it coming 🙌🏻

[@trickofthetrail]

Sorry you had to bail Daley, absolutely correct choice. Nice to see the Panacea 2 did a decent job. I plan on going up to Kinder Scout this weekend and the weather looks a bit grim. Fingers crossed I don't have to bail. Might have change plans though. Great video as always mate and glad you both got off the mountain safe.

[@DaleyOutdoors]

Cheers mate. It was decent until it buckled on me 😆

[@steviesteve750]

​@@DaleyOutdoorsI've got a Northern Lite, same tent but more £££ so lighter etc. But disappointed that yours failed, as I doubt the NL would be any stronger. I reckon my Vango mirage pro is more sturdy! And about half the price of the panacea let alone the NL...

[@tonyoutdoors9369]

just watched gazs his tent was bad lol i was laughing but its a learning curve and it beats being indoors, youre both safe onto the next

[@DaleyOutdoors]

Yeah the tunnel shape didn’t do too well did it 😆 it’s all part of the adventure 👍

[@jw25782]

Those were some tough conditions. Think you made the right call. As soon as you mentioned the Firepot chilli con carne I thought noooo! I tried that meal on a wild camp in the Black Mountains. Think it ranks comfortably as the worst thing I have ever tried to eat 😖 I managed three mouthfuls before the rest went into the bushes. Hopefully the critters ate it…

[@DaleyOutdoors]

Proper rank aren’t they 🤣🤣🤣

[@MrJC1]

Hey, soon i intend to get out there doing this and i havent left my house in the last 4 years. I am in late 30s, I am not fat, but i am so unfit as you can imagine. But i used to love camping. I mean... really love it. I intend to get back out there at the weekends and have it as my get away. Hiking included. Love these vids. Nice one. :).

[@MrJC1]

Btw... i didnt leave the house due to bad depression and anxiety. It has taken many years to find a combo of meds that worked. But now that i have i am in the mindset to make plans and get out there again. I think camping has always been a way to get away from a tech heavy life. Sure we have phones, tablets... etc. But it is a chance to get away from work. Really think it could help my mental health when i feel like the four walls are closing in.

[@DaleyOutdoors]

Enjoy it mate. I find it’s the best medicine 🤓👍

[@stevec-b6214]

Tough break when wind changes direction like that. You were probably right when you wobbled that porch pole around, looked weak to me as well. I bought a helm2 recently, but I am not taking it out in the higher fells/Scotland, thats my Hilleberg (or similar `expensive` tent) territory.

[@DaleyOutdoors]

Yeah I’ve had a Helm 2 and I wouldn’t want to be in conditions like this in it. I was hoping the trekking poles in the Panacea would help more 😆

[@stevec-b6214]

@@DaleyOutdoors to be fair, I wouldn`t choose to take my akto out in winds like that, but on a multi day hike I need a bomb shelter.

[@AnthonyJohnson1]

Shame you had to bail mate, but very understandable in those conditions. Making it down safely is always the number one priority. Hopefully your next camp on Kinder will be a less dramatic!

[@DaleyOutdoors]

Hope so! I won’t be going back up that bloody ladder again 🤣

[@AnthonyJohnson1]

@@DaleyOutdoors Yes, it’s a tough one. Definitely not a route to carry 6 cans of beer in your rucksack 😂

[@DaleyOutdoors]

@@AnthonyJohnson1 I know that now 🤣🤣🤣

[@tomwheeler7816]

you did good mate , if in doubt bug out ,good to see your getting out too ,but next time take the ufl gear tahji 2 been out in mine 50mp plus and stood up real well

[@DaleyOutdoors]

I haven’t got it any more 😬

[@hectortheerector]

Lanshan 2 wouldn't budge av been in worse up Scotland on a beach when a tornado ripped past me. Woke up in oz 😂 with a empty beer Tin and lion teddy bear and loads of strew in my tent. Never found the dog.

[@deaneager]

I've got the Terra Nova Northern Lite 2, and I wild camped in it up in The Shropshire Hills on Friday 6th October. As I set it up the gusts were hitting 45mph and forecast to get worse. I hardly slept a wink all night, but the tent coped very well. I packed up at 5am. The wind was gusting over 50mph at that point and set to get nearer 60mph in the next hour. The wind had my tent bag away, but I managed to get everything else packed away and back to the car safely. I did have a slight bend in my pole set, but I think I did that cos I clipped the fly to the pole set without staking out the guy on the windward side, so the frame had to take the full force of the wind hitting the fly for a few minutes.

[@DaleyOutdoors]

My Panacea pancaked 😆

[@hazzardoutdoors]

Both me and rj outdoors had a cracking night up kinder. Well we survived, tents also, but they didn't keep us dry. We had to bail at about 5.30am.

[@Laubasss]

Checked Gaz's video as well. Weather was ghastly! Glad you all made it out safely in the dark! You kinda jinxed it by saying something always happens lol😅

[@DaleyOutdoors]

I know. I'll keep quiet next time! 😆

[@Karma-qt4ji]

Following your advice I got the Helm 2 and absolutely love it, but I would not take it out in 45mph gusts lol. Worst I had was 25-30 and it held very well but you have to draw that line in the sand somewhere! Maybe you can help me find a bit of kit Ben - after a shoulder strap mounted water bottle holder like yours but can't seem to find anything suitable anywhere. Any clues or advice?

[@DaleyOutdoors]

Mine is this one www.glisshop.co.uk/hydration/mammut/lithium-add-on-bottle-holder-black45692187?variantId=45692187&gad=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwm66pBhDQARIsALIR2zDgF7GqiZQ5cJdNuadCjL_N0j2rzPakmY7QnR3mOlA9x6Bv3lK5tlsaAjC3EALw_wcB I think regatta do one as well that’s a bit cheaper

[@CragScrambler]

That Panacea is a great base camp tent especially in warm weather when you can open it up.

[@DaleyOutdoors]

Yeah it is. Not good as a bad weather winter tent though. On to the next one (or two) for me 👍

[@OB_1979]

Have a look at the wind and rain I’ve had mine out in. Yours must’ve been a dodgy QC jobby. Mines been out in some horrendous conditions.

[@davidrichardson5966]

Nice vid. Cheers from a fellow Derby lad

[@DaleyOutdoors]

Cheers mate 👍

[@Bluecollaroutdoor]

We went on kinder last Saturday near fairbrooke with relatively light winds bout 22kmh with decent wind cover but still got battered by wind brutal up there

[@Diane-ue5mt]

Good thing you guys made it back safely. Did you do the right thing? You just have to do what you think is best. No judging from me. LOL🍻

[@DaleyOutdoors]

I wish I’d headed down earlier and got some sleep to be fair. That or made it to the pub for last orders! 🤣

[@Diane-ue5mt]

LOL@@DaleyOutdoors

[@everyoneknowsadave3580]

At least that ‘Grizzly’ wasn’t a real bear and you had to haul a can of bear spray along with ya…. I remember Jacobs ladder kicking my butt many many years ago .. hasn’t changed then!! 😂 crazy how that wind kicked up 🤪 you did the right thing getting off the hill dat was nuts!

[@DaleyOutdoors]

It nearly killed me 🤣

[@hangoutwithdeggers]

My first time up Kinder last month , like u it wasn’t the best experience 😂 , I was only on a day hike tho , u had much better views than me …. Also like u I was a bit underwhelmed …. Panacea looks a nice tent tbf , I think a lot of tents are gonna struggle in 40+ winds tho unless ya in a hilly 🤔

[@ksgonewild]

Honestly you make me laugh so much….. Jacobs Ladder diet….. climb to the top and lose 14 stone 😂🤣😂🤣 I need to try it! 😂🤣 I’ve never trusted those part-poles…. They need to go to the ground to give it the strength and stability… I feel justified in my dis-trust lol! Great vid lovely xxx

[@DaleyOutdoors]

Honestly it nearly killed me getting up there 🤣

[@ksgonewild]

@@DaleyOutdoors 😂🤣😂🤣

[@h.bsfaithfulservant4136]

Keeping it real Ben 👌. I knew you were doomed when your reward for getting up Jacob's Ladder was a Kinder choc 🤢... should have been Cadbury's 😆 I'll bet Ruby is loving the video...'that'll teach him for leaving me at home!' Watch out Fendi...women never forget 😉

[@DaleyOutdoors]

The chocolate was over then my meal to be fair 🤣

[@TacBlades]

I think there is a reason we buy hillibergs, expensive but have never let me down all conditions.

[@DaleyOutdoors]

If you buy me one I’ll happily test it 😆

[@TacBlades]

@@DaleyOutdoors got mine second hand never used another tent :)

[@DaleyOutdoors]

@@TacBlades Soulo?

[@TacBlades]

@@DaleyOutdoors unna

[@garymartin557]

doesn't matter what i would have done, you had to make the call. you got through it and made it back safely, therefore you made the right call.

[@DaleyOutdoors]

We did 👍

[@markstevenson7884]

Did the dog make it?…. or last seen flying over the horizon?… Another great vid.

[@DaleyOutdoors]

Fendy was fine. Tired though I bet!

[@eatmynoobfood7461]

I would of stayed until morning but I have no brains 😂 great vid ✌✌

[@oldcrackadated]

I watched Gaz video first , that wind was brutal and no way to adequately anchor, I was in a typhoon of 115 mph 155 gust , nothing but a poncho to wrap in

[@marksadventures3889]

Gaz gets up on Fendy power. I don't think they expect folk going out in wind tunnels, most tents are not much past a summer shower and stiff breeze, useless on on tops - you need something hard, HARD lad! I don't eat that expensive shyte int packets, take some proper food wi' thee. That were fun Ben, glad your safe lad.

[@bonitaappetita]

I lost it when you so casually called your tent model "Pancreatic" lol Subbed 🤗

[@DaleyOutdoors]

Haha welcome aboard! 🤓

[@WainwrightWalksWiaLocalLad]

16kg!😲😲

[@DaleyOutdoors]

😆

[@mountain_del1863]

Gobsmacked that Tent failed with 9.5mm poles and Walking poles beefing it up. Wind might have been even stronger than forecast or just hitting a weak spot. Good vid all the same. Hope you get the poles fixed ok. Best wishes from Scotland.

[@DaleyOutdoors]

I’ve got a couple of follow up videos on it 👍

[@JBwhattodo]

That fire pot meal causes destruction so I’d blame that, bailing needs to be done if in doubt so you made the right call. I was curious to know what made up the 16kg but now I’ll never know 🍄

[@DaleyOutdoors]

Mostly water and too many clothes 😆

[@wobba1981]

I always carry tin foil, folded up in my cook kit. I wrap the firepot meals in it and give them a good 20 mins, they come out just fine…….. although for the price of them why should you have to trouble yourself?! 🤪 looking forward to the next one 👍

[@DaleyOutdoors]

I’d be dead after 20 minutes 🤣

[@wobba1981]

@@DaleyOutdoors 🤣

[@rossrimmer5670]

Similar situation in the lake's last year, wind picked up and poles failed, nighttime walk back to the car, was the right decision in the end as weather just became worse!!

[@DaveWoods-ku5em]

You should always camp away from wind even if it's soggy and stay out of wind

[@craigrobertson4994]

Yeah I would’ve went home too no point lying in that all night to walk out in the rain 👍

[@craoutdoors6827]

Liked around 5:30 really selling hiking and wild camping 🤣🤣. But i am equally unfit mate and hope to turn it around in time for lots of wild camping next year, more enjoyable if your fit and not blowing out of your arse like i do🤣

[@DaleyOutdoors]

Mate honestly I nearly died getting up there 🤣

[@craoutdoors6827]

@DaleyOutdoors yep and there's always some one twice your age that goes flying past which I always follow with a quiet "fucks sake" under my breath🤣

[@DaleyOutdoors]

@@craoutdoors6827 like I did with the barefoot guy 🤣

[@davidcann6021]

Think you were right to tap out in the night there. As long as you've got good navigation skills hiking out in the dark shouldn't be any different to the day just a bit slower pace. Kinder really does change weather wise, was trying to hike the whole top in a day but had to bail 3/4 of the way round due to rolling cloud, could only see 2 meters or so tops with a torch. From starting at Edale you could have gone up Ringing Roger, much better path, I ruddy hate Jacobs ladder, it's even worse walking down.

[@DaleyOutdoors]

I hate it too now 🤣 I’ll give ringing roger route a go when I return 👍

[@steviesteve750]

How does the panacea compare to the Helm 2? Do you think the latter would have been flattened too?

[@DaleyOutdoors]

Gut feeling is that the Helm 2 wouldn’t have done much better but no way to say for sure.

[@steviesteve750]

@@DaleyOutdoors I guess if poles are bent and cloth is ripped then give they both use the same materials then probably the case. The issue is when one of the sides of the tent deforms sufficiently to become a sail, which is when the forces increase rapidly and causes catastrophic damage. The trekking poles on the panacea should help because they're much stiffer than the flimsy structure of the tent poles.

[@norseman1137]

I know you had the helm2 ... What caused you to move on from that ... Did it let you down .... I feel with full poles to ground it feels safer?

[@DaleyOutdoors]

No it didn’t let me down at all. It’s z great tent. I just enjoy trying out different gear for the channel.

[@norseman1137]

@@DaleyOutdoors awesome ... I'm looking at the potential of using trekking poles externally on helm 2 in strong wind event ... Thinking through some ideas... I loved that touch on the panacea ... But not keen on weight, packed size or half cross pole ..

[@craig3401]

Some times you just have to know when to bail and it's totally a personal choice we've all seen the comments oh I would have stayed that's up to them.tbh tho I wouldn't have expected the tent to fail yes you wouldn't be sleeping because of the noise but it's a pretty aerodynamic shape so can cope with more wind especially when the wind changes unlike a tunnel tent.oh btw get yourself a thermal pouch keeps your food hot while it rehydrates.

[@DaleyOutdoors]

I didn’t expect of to flatten how it did. Especially with the trekking poles in 😬

[@remyd1984]

Did you use the waking poles in the end then mate?

[@DaleyOutdoors]

Yep. Had them in place and it still collapsed on me 😭

[@remyd1984]

@@DaleyOutdoors wow! Very surprising had mine in 50mph gusts on kinder at the woolpacks and stood up no problem. Seen messner had his in decent winds as well. Do a video on what they say and how they deal with you mate 👌🏻

[@timporter8886]

Great post! Don't think there's ever a perfect decision; there are often too many variables. It's all about the level of risk versus your experience. Basically, any decision that you survive, was a good decision! Shame about your tent, but as long as lessons where learnt and experience was gained, then it's not so bad; it just comes down to whether you can take the financial hit. Not that it would be possible to exactly recreate the same scenario, but I would love to see how the helm compact would fair! Love that tent! When you showed the picture of your poles as a teaser for this post, I was shocked, thinking it was one of your helms. Phew! But my biased opinion is that the helm would have stood it..haha..and that's off the back of not even being there..haha..that's how biased my opinion is! Need to check your buddies post out to see whether I need to eat my words..haha..What's his channel called? Great post, really enjoyed it. And love the self deprecating style, with the retrospective captions..haha..it really worked! Look forward to the next one. Take care Ben 😊

[@DaleyOutdoors]

Thanks! I think the Helm 1 might have done better. Helm 2 maybe not. Search for ‘Grizzly Gaz’ 👍

[@angelaknisely-marpole7679]

How many cans did you carry up? That would have added some weight to the pack :)

[@DaleyOutdoors]

Three cans, a bottle of pop and 2l of water 🤣

[@simonodell2103]

Vango hydra 200 ...£100 odd quid ....bombproof and 2.8 kg

[@DaleyOutdoors]

Been looking at these today 😬

[@simonodell2103]

@@DaleyOutdoors Mine has withstood 40 plus mph winds with ease .

[@goemboeck]

There can't be much any wildlife left in the UK?

[@DaleyOutdoors]

Why?

[@goemboeck]

@@DaleyOutdoors looks very barren, hopefully not from overgrazing as Ireland.

[@DaleyOutdoors]

@@goemboeck we were on Kinder Scout, it doesn’t really represent the whole of the UK.

[@Fellmandave1]

Great entertaining crack until the wind didn't like your dry sense of humour. I blame Gaz's laughing. Quite shocked that your tents didn't take it well, but most people dont realise just how mad strong 45mph is!

[@DaleyOutdoors]

I usually blame Gaz too 😆

[@dirtygertee]

I’m with you. You pay so much for these meals and then you Crunch into a noodle… everything is over salted..

[@DaleyOutdoors]

Yep. This one was extra rank 😆

[@leecromer3289]

Been down jacobs ladder, lot easier 😂😂😂👍

[@mountain_moomoo]

Part way through the video… should’ve taken grindslow knoll up its much less of a slog than Jacob’s 😂.

[@DaleyOutdoors]

Hindsight is a wonderful thing 🤣

[@mountain_moomoo]

@@DaleyOutdoors kinder can be an unforgiving bitch that’s for sure. Still one of my favourite places though. Good vid mate 👍

[@pootlingalong8928]

Ah well, life would be pretty boring if everything went boringly well, every time. It’s still an adventure you’ll remember when you’re old 👍🏻

[@DaleyOutdoors]

Exactly! It was an epic adventure 👍

[@LundysWildcampBushcraft]

New sub come over from Gaz channel 😎😎👍👍

[@DaleyOutdoors]

Welcome aboard 🤓👍

[@Lizpennington]

Trains in the UK are an embarrassment to the country

[@awatt]

I would have slept soundly like i have in the past in sixty miles an hour winds. My tent that i bought in the mid seventies hasnt let ne down. It weighs six pounds in old money.

[@mattosborne5475]

Stick to the back yard 😂if you think that wos bad wether 😂

[@DaleyOutdoors]

My tent poles don’t bend in the back yard 🙄

[@ALLWEATHERRIDERM]

Way too many adds in this video !

[@DaleyOutdoors]

They’re placed automatically. I’ll look in to it 👍

[@petergatty1975]

Unlucky my friend bad night it seems...I had one of those nights once in dartmoor wind ,rain, thunder,lightning I was 💩 it but was to far from the 🚗 so I just stayed no sleep what so ever look back at it now and laugh didn't back then though 😂😅