IWC Ingenieur 40 - the legend is back!

[@kenrabow]

Great video (as always). I just put my deposit down for the Silver Vsn. It seems they now have the option to choose the micro-adjustment or stay with the one shown at W&W. Do you guys think I should go with the micro-adjustment? Will it make the watch look or feel any different?

[@laammansi]

I kinda like the one of W&Ws that Adrian shows 😍 so, refined and well done 👍 people complain about this type but over the nautilus they never complain about the pricr 🫣 although the price is much more and the movement is not a high end horlogerie manufacture anymore 🤷🏼‍♂️ (5711)

[@wheelsandwatches]

They went to all that trouble to make an incredible looking and well proportioned watch and didn’t include a micro adjust clasp and made it £2-£3k too expensive!

[@arniac6920]

^this

[@bdegrds]

Price falls in line with other high horology pieces at this level

[@wheelsandwatches]

@@bdegrds agree but the starting point is too high imo.

[@udosmesovsky4249]

Exactly my words!

[@brysoga]

I hope you don't take offence but I am on a mission to understand people when they comment that a watch is £x too expensive. Are you able to articulate how you arrive at a different valuation for this watch?

[@rcrymble]

I'm an engineer who loves watches. I'm not a pilot, racing driver or diver. So this beautiful watch appeals. Although sadly engineers can't afford £10k on a watch! 😅

[@heinrichdorfmann9241]

I am an engineer who loves watches and 100% agree. From an engineering and value proposition point of view, I prefer Archimede Outdoor Antimag Ti (on my wrist), Sinn 556 or Damasco D30. All wear also fine dressed up, if needed.

[@OngoGablogian185]

I thought engineers were loaded with money? The oil and gas ones I know are, at least.

[@TrendyStone]

Gosh....I'm an engineer with 7 watches in that range. If you can't afford a £10k watch as an engineer...you might be doing something wrong. Here in the US we have a STEM shortage and you can pretty much choose your salary.

[@dannysimenauer5745]

Thanks Adrian for being the first KZbinr to introduce us to the IWC Ingineur remake of this Gerald Genta classique! It is never too late to reintroduce a true original classic! Never too late. I am going to put this watch on my wish list.

[@ams914]

If this were the same price as the Aquatimer I just got I would definitely be having some buyer's remorse, that's for sure. I think the new Ingenieur is a home run!

[@chamarajayamal9810]

ams914 they will start at $11,700. I own an Aquatimer also. Beautiful watch, congratulations.

[@ams914]

@@chamarajayamal9810 Thanks, I got it with their new 5-day movement. Unfortunately, I got a lemon so it's being fixed by IWC under warranty. Happens once in a while, just got unlucky.

[@markwatson7551]

Good review. Any micro adjustment? I’m sorely tempted although quite pricey

[@paulcornwell9207]

This has similar specs to the much cheaper Baume et Mercier Riviera with the Baumatic BM12-1975A movement. 120hours 28,800 and 21 jewels. Is it the same movement ?

[@tarasmathers7423]

Adrian, I could not agree w/ you more. Definitely a solid improvement, all while still remaining faithful, to the original. Chris and his team at IWC, did a fantastic job w/ this. Your footage was brilliant. Thank you for highlighting this uber important design. Cheers.....

[@simonhalkyard4427]

Wonder if Adrian knew the price at filming? They are pushing it price wise and in 2023 at the luxury end it’s inexcusable not to have micro adjustment. Especially for a watch you are always going to keep on the bracelet. The watch looks great and good to see them do such a good job on it.

[@fillo1969]

Love it!! Just absolutely love it!

[@jarrodlee1506]

Love it. wheres the micro ajust?

[@sebwrafter]

I can't imagine he knew of the 12K price tag when filming this. That price is pretty bonkers, especially considering that it has the SAME movement as his 5K Mark XX...

[@nickd.3868]

If I'm not mistaken, the movement is modified by IWC and based on ETA 2892 manufactured by ValFleurier. The movement is somewhat in-house but not totally. I think the watch is to expensive. I would expect a totally in-house movement at that price point or between 8-10k with the current movement.

[@Flakexbeats]

You are mistaken 😅

[@Robert-vw3od]

You are absolutely correct. It’s the same movement that is in the Riviera. ironically, a watch that was designed at the same time as the Royal oak.

[@Prabyg]

IWC have a great back catalogue, I’d love for them to bring out a new version of the yacht club II

[@beauepperly3539]

the Golf Club would be nice as well... You can still find some fantastic deals on the vintage version.

[@BilalAhmad-ex1tm]

same! most underrated watch ever! 2nd hand prices are crazy now

[@aled4019]

Bought one 3 weeks ago on the Aqua dial. I'm in love with the way the light catches the dial pattern!!

Is there any rationale justification for the price?

[@notenoughtime7274]

Great video and to see this back Love the new version in the Aqua dial. Nicely done tapered bracelet This time around I think these are going to be hard to get….

[@richardcollins586]

I bought a MKXX this evening in London. Blue, and with the additional brown strap. My friend bought the Lewis Hamilton Ingenieur when he was partnered with Rosberg, that is a lovely watch.

[@TheSitzheizung]

cheers, how do you feel about the price btw. Here in Europe they are asking 13K, that is quite a lot. What do you think?

[@Jordan-kq6xj]

Great review! How does the finishing compare to a laureato?

[@leemartin2978]

Which colour are you ordering ?

[@TheGuitarSpaSingapore]

i love this new design. love it wraps round your wrist and love the tapered bracelet - price ? it’s really steep

[@CleverSmart123]

The price is crazy high for what is offered and this being an IWC

[@gymclasshero88]

Yeah, it’s ridiculous precise

[@oscarthomasfifa4871]

100% the laureato is cheaper on the grey market than this!

[@piotrkrolikowski5903]

Companies everywhere are trying to drive up prices and see what people are willing to pay.

[@jarrodlee1506]

It's a genuine luxury watch arguably better than rolex

[@douglaspuglas6888]

@@jarrodlee1506 Trouble is youll always get your money back and in some cases more with a Rolex if you ever need to sell and thats quite a big concern for most people if youre not a millionaire

[@gautamnevatia7659]

Is your mark xx black or blue dialled? Looked bluish but could have been the AR

[@paulchambers2296]

Great video Adrian, Is it COSC or Metas certified and is there any way to put a leather strap on?

[@timemycollection]

This is one of the secrets you kept from us as this was recorded at home but your at watches and wonders 🙌🏾 THANK YOU

[@williambaker3219]

What were your thoughts on the clasp? I have a super hard time getting a good fit on watches with butterfly clasps.

[@maciej6293]

This watch looks better in person than in photos. I saw it at the IWC boutique and it is AMAZING!

[@Franzino]

I also saw all the colors in real life and the watch is amazing!

[@davidb5720]

Best non plug, plug yet for Bark and Jack merch! 😂 cool watch and very under the radar for such an important piece

[@haydenlee2704]

Which color is better? Aqua or black?

[@plutinicus]

Brilliant.. totally agree. They stayed faithful to the original to preserve its Genta heritage and identity (even the brushed satin finish) but with updated chamfered edges and other tweaks and enhancements to bring it gracefully into the 21st century. Love the dial pattern. Dont know which one to choose. Stellar job.

[@petergiallelis3941]

Hey just wondering do you have straps for a Tissot PRX ? Something to think about.

[@leesziming3126]

Hey Adrian, great videos coming out! Just wondering if you think the price point is reasonable or fair for what it is offering? Do you think it’s trying to compete against the royal oak or nautilus or something else?

[@peterkryvonosov4566]

Adrian I’m curious how you measured 39mm, was it across just the steel bezel or the whole case including those little margins before the crown guards?

[@leon_ME]

I will be finishing my Master's degree around the end of this year and was looking for a watch as a gift for myself. I guess this is gonna be the one I'm heading for.

[@blafuckyou]

What kinda of Master's degree study allows you to spend 12k at the end of it? You're supposed to be broke. haha

[@stu632]

12,000 chf! WHAT? No micro adjustment! No display back when the technology is there for amagnetism without an iron core..........

[@MKGamingInvesting]

What? 7000Chf max

[@stu632]

@@polygoncoco For me they have been slightly overpriced in the past, but not too bad. 12,000 is ridiculous and an extra 3000 for titanium is unfathomable. That is almost half the price of what this should cost and half the price of say a Rolex OP 41. They can't justify it and the pricing has put me off IWC. That and not listening to their audience, the formula is simple.....Display back, micro adjustment on bracelet, Genta design, descent water rating (could be 150) and a competitive price point 7 or 8000 chf.

[@Wildcatjames1]

@stu632 I was actually about to post exactly the same comment!

[@mracekproductions]

I agree on price. But. New IWC bracelets have in built micro adjustment in the clasp don’t they ? although not mentioned this time so maybe not. And also has soft iron core case ?

[@rickjason215]

The MarkXX is fairly priced. 5 day power reserve. Not interested. Too expensive. I like to see the movement. He is way over the top about this watch. Who cares about the antimagnetic case, when everyone else has moved to silicon mainsprings. It is a typical 3 handed. $5500 on Chrono24. Not $12000.

[@jiros85]

my only problem about this one, is the price. i know it´s genta, but still .... what do you think?

[@samueljdcharles]

Adrian, when did you make the IWC mark XX part of your collection? Or have i missed something? Would you change the Mark XX for the Ingenieur 40??

[@craig2100]

Beautiful, sporty, and elegant

[@SinnerAndSaint]

I think it's a great step to revive the Genta design again. I was crying to see the 'new' (now 'old') one after the famous 3239 iteration - which is still the best looking Ingenieur today imho. This brand new 38901 is very true to the original Genta design and I kind like it. BUT I think there are multiple problems: They have heavily increased the price, the way cheaper Pilot's watch Mark XX has the same movement and even the great adjustable clasp. And their just mentioned Pilot's watch is nowaday more iconic to me as they kept this simple design for years with just slight improvements. So for me this is the way better deal if you want an IWC with a great Inhouse movement with a much better clasp design.

[@mt24Carson]

Back to the future, and less is more. Classic timepiece. Thanks Adrian. 👍⌚

[@bramkouwen]

The Aqua dial makes it look absolutely stunning

[@steve8510]

Jesus! Gentleman Gerry has designed all my faves.

[@make.oxtail.cheap.again1]

Gp laureato was heavy inspired and the zenith defy

[@gautamnevatia7659]

Did you review the mark xx? Have been on the lookout for that review!

[@Not-a-bot222]

To be fair the dive watch too is timeless. Designed in 1953 and relevant still today

[@Angelito_Noreaga]

As a high design tool watch, can it take a beating, or is it more delicate like the Royal Oak or Nautilus?

[@Vargadumi]

Isnt the Omega Constellation also designed by Genta?

[@CleverSmart123]

Depends on which? C-Case Constellation, yes and the redesign of the 168004

[@boatdetective]

WOW! they've hovered over getting this right for years. This one seems just right. Very exciting indeed!

[@MrLewisWhale]

Love to see a Bark and Jack watch review back up. I’ve been loving About Effing Time, but definitely prefer Bark and Jack/Adrian Barker watch reviews. This IWC is amazing too!

[@m.e.p.r]

Lovely watch, but I think I prefer the 2013 release, reference IW323904. Harder lines, more angular caseworks and can be got for significantly less than the new model.

[@stevens1041]

Half the price, wasn't it? The new pricing is insane.

[@m.e.p.r]

@@stevens1041 Its a steep price yeah, I guess everyone is saying that. I wouldn't be surprised if ADs offer them at a significant discount though. It's the same with Omega...you should always expect a discount

[@Thomas-vq5pb]

Very rare to see a new edition better than the original one. Although I love the purity of the first Genta ingénieur, I really like the new model, thinner and more comfortable on the wrist. The closed case back is not an issue for me as I never look at the movement when there is an open case back. I also think that price is high but justified in my view, as IWC is a serious watch brand I have always admired (not to be compared with Chopard 😅). Also think the Ingénieur is more of a tool watch than the RO or the Nautilus, refined but more discreet and under the radar. The green/blue dial is beautiful but purchased the black dial version which is more suitable for me. Thanks Adrien, better late than never!

[@khphou]

Having seen your wonderful introduction, I really want an Ingenieur now!

[@Ibowers2]

Love the watch but that price is a bit nuts. I have the new Mark XX and it's amazing. The new Ingenieur has the same same movement as the Mark XX, same size but twice the price? That seems a bit much to charge just for a Genta design?

[@mmbrey4973]

only downer 12.700 euros … and no micro adjustments … do you think the price is justified versus a 5 digit omega, rolex ? or do you think versus a royal oak or a nautilus the ingenieur 40 sl is still a real bargain?

[@frank327]

Great vid. Seen as AP only make Royal Oaks and Code 11.59s or whatever they're called it's fairly safe to say the brand wouldn't have survived without the Genta designed RO.

[@Esteban69129]

You appreciate IWC craftsmanship when it’s in your hands.

[@mkyhou1160]

Not really - mine was bland, I sold it.

[@MusicArchon]

Mkyuoun casual

[@lesliewattkis1431]

Adrian I have follow you for years. Bought a few watch base on your videos. I don’t sell watches. I can’t. My sbgh269 sexy though thick. Gets no wrist time due straps issues that’s no good. I would love to wear it other than just gazing on the dial. Any recommendation? Ps great vid as usual.

[@philthejet]

Love that watch, it's very nice. Too bad the back is not transparent. Is that one you bought?

[@JizzyNinja]

Really great, but personally can’t justify the price. I’m sure it will be a hit and applaud IWC for celebrating this design again, but for me, just looking for a bit more at that price point.

[@pascals.6515]

Excellent review Adrian. An iconic watch strikes back, but unfortunately after all these years of waiting not at the expected perfect level ( without a quick change system, micro adjustment and open caseback)...and furthermore considering the known movement (like in the spitfire for half the price) for sure overpriced...a missed chance IWC

[@peterlangton999]

I love your black shirt - where did you get it?

[@gavinwhite9743]

Stunning watch and history, wish it was a little bit more affordable, but need to see it in the flesh to understand how much I need it.

[@Khanh.Nguyen369]

Glad to see it back. Can’t wait to see it in person.

[@DecemberNames]

Thank you for another great video mate. I enjoyed every second. Please keep it coming.

[@Xavier.B.33]

Not sure about the dial texture ... how does it look in real ?

[@joshuakaplan5726]

so stoked to see this back in the line up! the dial designs are killer!

[@aboutphotography]

IWC is in my eyes much more valuable brand then Rolex. This watch should not be compared to main stream Submariner or Aquaterra, but rather to Laureato or Polo S and the price is in that territory. This is one of the few watches designed by Gérald Genta and so it’s imo fairly priced.

[@Porchia87]

Did I miss the Price? Thx for showing us!

[@elmathnl]

The price is ridiculous! The Mark XX has an amazing bracelet, is stainless steel too and it has the same movement… What exactly justifies the almost 6k premium?! It looks great and I would love to own one but it should cost 8k, absolute maximum. Hope they will be around that price on the grey market!

[@bdegrds]

Another internet troll that cannot comprehend that IWC is high horology and one of the finest watchmakers

[@hughmckendrick3018]

Looks cool. How much?

[@miron9756]

I have been waiting for this for a while and finally it is out. I love it, everything is very well done and I would buy it in a heartbeat if it wasn't for the missing micro adjustment on the bracelet. Such a missed opportunity. What a shame.

[@kenrabow]

They are now offering the micro-adjustment as an option. Same price I believe.

[@miron9756]

@Ken Rabow if that's true there must have been lots of negative feedback. IWC made the statement that they specifically left out the micro adjust in favor of aesthetics of the clasp area and to keep it slim. For a watch such as the Ingenieur form should follow function, offering micro adjust will mean just that. Edit: source is interview of Watchadvisor with IWC

[@kenrabow]

@@miron9756 That's what I was told at the AD as well. It will change that area. I'm going to go check out the both versions of the strap (w/o the Ingenieur) and see what I want to order. I am told you can by the micro-adjust after the fact as well.

[@themisfrangos7570]

Hi Andrian , any chance to get out with a rubber band for the watch ???

[@bbrebozo6417]

Is the bracelet on the ingenieur 40 (both the steel and titanium) using the same kind of spring loaded pins used by the pilot 43? Resizing with those is very easy.

[@FluxedState]

Love the quick adjust on the clasp.

[@hkpang8801]

For me an amateur with limited budget, I may choose to buy 1 piece of Baume & Mercier Riviera 39mm with Baumatic 120 hours USD5500 (inc VAT) or a new Tudor Black Bay GMT Polar white (newest 2023) dial USD4500. If I am not mistaken, both IWC & Baume are using the same caliber (as sister's company of Richemont) IWC Ingenieur 40mm 32111 caliber 120 hours USD11,700. Am I right?

[@Flakexbeats]

Wrong. The first is an entirely new, in-house movement, the IWC 32111 Calibre. The main upgrade here is the extended 120-hour power reserve, tripling that of the Sellita-based 35111 found in the Mark XVIII.

[@Valera_Scotland]

Third issue....butterfly clasp 😢 Gorgeous though

[@peterrushworth4900]

In 2005 IWC released the Ref 3227, then in 2013 Ref 3239... both relaunches of the Ingenieur SL (with different dial variations and aligned bezel screws, and minus the in-house movement), or am i confused? So the latest version is 4.0 ? Its a beautiful watch, but the killer for me is the price. It is twice as much as the 2013 version (retailed at USD 6,600 i believe), but is it twice the watch ? Or does the link to Genta and 120hr in-house movement allow IWC to charge significantly more? Considering you've have the watch in hand, I would be interested to hear your thoughts?

[@BarkandJack]

Hi Peter, I feel the 3227 is a bit of a sloppy edition of the Ingenieur, it’s really thick. The 3239 is stunning, but powered by a Selita sw200. This version is powered by an IWC manufactured movement, although it’s an ETA architecture, it’s built and finished by IWC. The price is high, but keep in mind, the Speedmaster was a £3000-3500 watch back in 2013, it’s now a £7,500 watch. So the price isn’t as high as people are making out.

[@Oak432]

Watch of the year. Brillant. 10/10. Great video thank you

[@MrZanzibar123]

Very cool. Like that blue-green color!

[@acfitweightloss]

What was genta's daily driver though?

[@FridaysTheBomb]

I don't care about the price, I still want it. IWC will limit production to create scarcity and it will probably hold it's value. This thing is stealth wealth.

[@JeffGila]

It's gorgeous!! But why doesn't it come with the toolless adjustable clasp like previous model, that would make it perfect (for me)

[@paulhiggins8774]

One of the nicest looking watches I’ve seen for a long time

[@BoozewithNick]

Love the watch itself, but I’m a little confused by the pricing. They’re using a recycled design and a recycled movement? Where is the overhead for IWC that justifies the price?

[@rezamotori5709]

this is fantastic news!..........ingenieur going back to its roots!.............ben waiting this since VC went vintage

[@cohan.forcer]

Love that you own a Mark XX, IWC is not talked about enough.

[@mikelewis2456]

Love the aqua dial. Not too late gonna be hot watch when released 🤔IWC made a great move.

[@derosa1989]

Probably not too many people still reading the comments now that already posted about the butterfly clasp - but the CEO of IWC announced March 30th that the micro adjust clasp will be available as an accessory for the Ingenieur later this year.

[@stebesplace]

They certainly jacked the price up on this one!

[@louiscaleca]

This is my favorite release from W&W 2023. Just nailed it!

[@stevecadby9551]

Awesome watch, awesome vid Adrian. Any idea on the 💷? Want one 🤪

[@arnovda9479]

Wonderful B&J plug this time 👌

[@BarkandJack]

Haha, thanks mate.

[@fazeltaslimi9340]

What color dial would you get?

[@BarkandJack]

That’s tricky. I think I’d play it safe and go black. It’s sexy. But the Aqua is really cool. One of those colours that looks odd in image, but great on the wrist.

[@thumperjdm]

Well done IWC. A smart choice to bring back.

[@Mike-dg9ib]

I wanted them to release this so badly, but they can jog on at this ridiculous price point

[@richardwarren2024]

Thank you for this coverage, Adrian. I love the way integrated bracelet watches look in the abstract, but never like any of them on the wrist. Not sure what it is.

[@revenanke3132]

Genta also designed two more integrated bracelet sport watches for IWC, both extremely unique: Golf Club and Yacht Club II. They were discontinued in the late 70s and 80s. Genta collectors are sleeping on IWC and the latest ingenieur is the best ingenieur yet in my opinion. Very affordable and easy to acquire as well compared to the models from Patek, AP and VC. Secondhand it's an absolute steal.

[@mannycalavera2335]

I love it. I just wish it was in the 5-7k price range. This price seems so hard to justify.

[@TheSandipDev]

Just love it. My favorite is the titanium one. As an engineer, I already have the Railmaster. This will be my next. Unfortunately Rolex discontinued the Milgauss before I could get one

[@iancarnell5020]

Had one of these twenty years ago. Its good to see that its not a clunker as was the case with mine. It was just too unwieldy. They say once bitten twice shy because I lost a lot of money on mine when I flipped it.

[@pippy6677]

May I ask the brand and name of the sweater you are wearing in this video? Thank you! 🙏

[@pippy6677]

Revisiting this video 5 months later, I find myself still curious about the sweater. ✨

[@Timjacks01]

What’s the pricing?

[@jespervver4181]

They should do the smaller sized one too. Maybe even with a thin case