BART installs new fare gates and turns old tickets into a fashion design project

[@mrxman581]

LA Metro needs to use these same tall gates. They are the best design I've seen to combat fare evasion. Well done SF.

[@WELVAS.]

Exactly!

[@erickbyarushengo4726]

As someone who rides Metro when I’m in LA, I agree

[@utsavjain1408]

Finally, some good news! 😊

[@IAMAredditor]

Same number of riders, but more people are paying :P

[@lilbrucebanner3533]

Gate good but we need more police officers on the platforms not sitting in their cars outside the station. Keep the homeless and crackheads out of the station.

[@triaxe-mmb]

Once the gates are up, everywhere you should see less of both...how many homeless people have the ability to pay to be on BART... Drugs is a different issue but related ..again...should reduce the incidents of both by having better access controls... Cops are a very expensive way to clean up the system...but then having more patrols and fare enforcement checks will help...

[@lucaspadilla4815]

I've seen more officers on BART recently, only complaint is that they hold up the train from leaving at times lol

[@mrxman581]

​@@triaxe-mmbYes, which means less officers will be needed overall. They can study the data easier now with the new system and deploy officers more efficiently.

[@transitdude3352]

In New York some people run up right behind you when you swipe your fare card. Can they do the same with this system?

[@triaxe-mmb]

@@transitdude3352 probably - still a lot harder to do than just step over the gate... Again no such thing as a fool proof system - let's not let the perfect be the enemy of the good...this is many times better than the status quo system gates...MUNI uses something similar I believe

[@Helios1001]

Good!👏

[@EshaanR]

Clipper needs to go next. We need an omny type of system. Faster to use Credit Cards.

[@rileyburnett720]

BART says the will added a tap to pay system to that accepts, Debit/credit/mobile pay eventually. I use my clipper on my phone to pay when I take BART.

[@ksuen106]

Yeah, my BART card is f’d. It cost $3 for a new card (even digital…) and another $3 to transfer any balance. I rarely use BART now since I moved out of state, I can’t tap on/off Cal Train (bought paper ticket), and BART employee just gives me a tiny sticker to show the next BART employee. Like wtf…I don’t need a free ride, I need the convenience of Clipper card. Instead, now I have to find a BART employee/call corporate.

[@kindbluestar]

Wait a moment, why do they have clips of old trains in a video from 14 hrs ago. The old trains were phased out back in april 2024...is bart/news agency reusing old clips from over 5 months ago?

[@kibaanazuka332]

Stock footage

[@tonybayarea]

When is the rest of the Bay Area going to get these New Gates. We were told that most of the East Bay would get the New Gates in June of this year (2024). Still not up yet in Sept, 3 months later. We have to wait to 2026 or something for the New Gates to get installed every where else?

[@portcybertryx222]

The original plan was 2026 lol

[@mrxman581]

Relax. The important thing is BART is being proactive to fix fare evasion. Many other cities are not. You'll get it eventually. LA Metro needs to use these same tall gates. They are the best design I've seen to combat fare evasion. Well done SF.

[@tonybayarea]

@@mrxman581 It's only taking Bart 20 years to get new gates. Was supposed to do this back in the early 2000's. Relax!? Meanwhile crime , drugs, and etc... continue to happen on Bart from Drug Addicts, criminals, mentally unstable people hopping the gates to affect the people riding BART in a negative way.

[@triaxe-mmb]

@@tonybayarea technically they weren't supposed to do the new gates 15-20yrs ago... technically they studied were only to study doing it if memory serves me right - and i believe the decision was that it's cost was not worth the fare recaptured and wasn't a good use of limited funds....but in the interim yrs, the rates of evasion skyrocketed coupled with the dramatic increase of homelessness in the core of the system made this change a solution that is yrs too late... IMO they should also add platform screen doors so trains don't have to slow down as much entering a station cause of jumpers...They they can run trains faster and this increase service thru put...

[@tonybayarea]

@@triaxe-mmb Technically!? It was on the news in the 2000's that the New Gates were supposed to be installed back then but BART didn't have the budget to install them. And before you say go find the clip of the video. KZbin wasn't around yet, so the clip isn't available. It was before 2005. We can agree to disagree. 👌

[@lutomson3496]

there will be those trying to follow someone through it happens all the time..good first step though

[@gigis.6813]

More police and bart employees in the stations and trains. Those demanding to defund the police probably never rode BART or other types of public transportation.

[@melekey]

The gates dont work u can just walk behind someone that paid 😭

[@kenw.4539]

What I notice some people are doing is one person uses their Clipper card to tag in and open the new gate and then hold the gate open to let 10 people run through. I saw this recently at the Civic Center station with the new gates and about 30 seconds after the fare evaders ran through, two BART police officers came and I asked one if they saw the fare evasion to which he replied "Oh no...we were on break..." C'est la vie. I think you can crawl under the gates if you really tried but it's quite a squeeze though not impossible. I'm just glad it makes everything more difficult.

[@Otamaleh]

The point of the gates is to reduce fare evasion. Not completely eliminate. That's impossible.

[@melekey]

@@Otamaleh it doesn't reduce anything 😭

[@herjitpannu2282]

They need to go to Asian Tigers to see what a real subway looks like

[@plantsplantz2116]

They also need to bring back the 5 dollar foot long

[@jlr_]

Did they raise the fence at that station? I used to see them hopping the fence on the sides more than the gates themselves. This would be useless if they didn't raise those as well.

[@melekey]

You can just walk behind someone that paid the gates dont work at all 😭

[@Nicokash392]

Yep worthless

[@peko7446]

If BART can also prevent the homeless from riding free so the cars don't stink and the seats stay visibly clean.

[@shesocute9613]

That's good the gates are installed but that can't be the only reason people are riding Bart again where are the security it takes 5sec for the for to close people can still Bart hop

[@iglesiasbyron6531]

Paying 14$ day when you make 130 after taxes and helth insurance is a dystopia made for horror movies

[@mrxman581]

Well, maybe with more people paying, BART can institute cheaper fares. They can move to a Capped fare system like LA Metro did last year. On LA Metro you pay no more than $5 per day or $18 per week. Rides are $1.75 one-way with a free 2 hour transfer window. Students can ride for free, low income people can get 20 free rides per month and seniors 62+ get about a 50% discount. If the LA Metro can do this, so can BART.

[@ajs11201]

@@mrxman581 Yeah, BART fares are ridiculous. That was one of my biggest complaints about living in the Bay Area--every time I wanted to go to the city (SF) for an event or a night out, it would cost me at least $15-20 just for the round-trip transportation. I realize it's cheaper than driving, but that seems awfully high, especially for people who are really counting their pennies.

[@username.Username415]

Need to make Bart cheaper for daily riders.

[@mrxman581]

Well, maybe with more people paying, BART can institute cheaper fares. They can move to a Capped fare system like LA Metro did last year. On LA Metro you pay no more than $5 per day or $18 per week. Rides are $1.75 one-way with a free 2 hour transfer window. Students can ride for free, low income people can get 20 free rides per month and seniors 62+ get about a 50% discount. If the LA Metro can do this, so can BART.

[@rileyburnett720]

MST (Monterey Salinas Transit). Also switched to a flat fair and reduced prices. Unfortunately they Also cut some services, while increasing others.

[@kenw.4539]

Yep, more fare evasion overall to boost the revenue and lower the crime and harassment of law abiding passengers and then lower the fares overall like in half. They keep raising fares on honest people because it's easy to do like raising taxes while all the fare evaders are ignored because it's too much trouble. The BART Board needs to understand they are running a transit agency and not a social welfare system.

[@marquesmorgan7297]

I'm so glad I work from home and don't have to worry about bart. It's so expensive and the escalators are always broken, hella homeless on the trains.

[@GEORGE_BUSH_DADDY]

You can go behind someone

[@bestt2252]

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[@mrxman581]

It will be much more difficult with these gates. BART can also adjust the timing of the gates closing allowing for less time for people to piggyback. BART should do a public promo asking paying riders to wait half a second to make sure the gate closes behind them.

[@A3Kr0n]

In future news: New fare gates more expensive than extra fares collected due to increased software fees and maintenance costs.

[@jbudlo2]

In future news: Less people murdered on BART system by fare evaders with existing warrants out for their arrest.

[@ivandragomiloff2356]

Hmmm, maybe invest in crime free trains instead.

[@Seetheren]

In my opinion, they still need a human being maybe a cop to actually enforce, assuming the cop enforces, everyone to pay.

[@nimaiiikun]

good job Bart, don't have a cow man.

[@RipsRidiculus11]

Seems like you can still piggyback if u get your timing right. What about the elevators that go from the platform to outside the station like Bayfair. I got used to not paying bart fair over 20 years ago. I'm sure nothing will change.

[@michaelWells-ef9bx]

~ Ooooo We, did you catch that Asian chick 1:05 ?

[@mrparkerdan]

😍😍😍😍😍

[@forgottennewsclips]

Not counting the people not paying? So they’re still getting through even with the new gates? Lol

[@triaxe-mmb]

There is no such thing as a fool proof system...well, unless we did physical gates with manned ticket processing where each access point is policed and manned..that is just cost prohibitive on such a large system with so many stations and access points...

[@mrxman581]

You still have the emergency gate access. If someone from the inside uses it to exit, someone can sneak in. The wider gate for people with wheelchairs, probably closes slower allowing more time for someone to piggyback.

[@triaxe-mmb]

@@mrxman581 both are a lot of effort than just stepping over the gates right now, lol Like I said before - there is no fool proof system...these will make it a lot better though. What they should do is put platform screen doors and fully automate the system so they can shift staff from train operations to station operations. BART is a completely separated system and shouldn't need a driver if we could keep idiots off the tracks...

[@TheLIRRFrenchie...]

Bart should just do a flat rate.

[@channel-lu6yh]

$2.50, i could dig it

[@andrewpagan]

BART is a multi-city transport system. They wouldn't be able to operate on a flat rate like Muni that is a single-city transport system.

[@TheLIRRFrenchie...]

@andrewpagan you make a great point, I totally didn't think of that. Systems like Marta and the MTA subway are within the city so it justifies flat rates. Thank you for reminding me of this 😁!!

[@andrewpagan]

@@TheLIRRFrenchie... You're all good! I used to think that way too until someone mentioned to me how wide-spread BART is. It's very uncommon for transit systems to be multi-city.

[@mrxman581]

​@@andrewpaganThey can move to a Capped fare system like LA Metro did last year. LA Metro serves various cities across all of LA County. On LA Metro you pay no more than $5 per day or $18 per week. Rides are $1.75 one-way with a free 2 hour transfer window. Students can ride for free, low income people can get 20 free rides per month and seniors 62+ get about a 50% discount. If the LA Metro can do this, so can BART.

[@sfbearcat8637]

How about more security on trains druggies on train while riding to SFO they gave the finger to a group of euro tourists that were seated near them...still feels unsafe onbart

[@johnyoung9945]

Illegal immigrants don't have cars and the state of California gives them cards.

[@lucaspadilla4815]

How else you gonna power one of the largest agricultural economies on the planet? How you like them apples?

[@johnyoung9945]

@@lucaspadilla4815 Do it legally. Why do Democrats have a problem with that?

[@thalyfe-pg8dk]

They just jump over the metal fence or wait for someone to scan then slide in. All in front the police.

[@mrxman581]

With these gates it will be much more difficult. The gates are almost impossible to pry open even as they're closing.

[@Nicokash392]

All they do is walk behind the person entering

[@OldLordSpeedy]

In Federal Republic of Germany we do not have gates at this stations, we just pay before or use monthly or yearly cards. Easy right? 😂 😊 We are not a communist country where the state pay all same Cuba or PRC! 😮

[@jbudlo2]

Yeah but you don't have Republicans forbidding the federal government from funding mass transit.

[@christopherconcept926]

By my observation as a daily rider, 20% of riders jump the gate. Just hire security to enforce laws. Those ticket agents are useless in every regard

[@jayo9750]

Their not there to stop fare evaders. Their there to provide information

[@brentsummers7377]

As a tourist to SF a few months ago, I found BART very good & I had no safety concerns. What I did see a lot of was fare evasion - often aware of someone vaulting through the fare gate next to mine.

[@iglesiasbyron6531]

Paying 14$ a day when you make 130 after Taxes and health insurance in California is a dystopia made for horror movies

[@jbudlo2]

hope you use your pre-tax dolllars and apply for a reduced fare card.

[@milesj179]

The usual suspects, Nevada indigo golf golf echo romeo sierra will still devise a way around it. Especially if they install them in Oakland. 😒

[@melovetorun]

Bay Area , I thought barriers and wall were raciiissst?? 🤔