RDR2 | Beta Maps a Complete Analysis

This video took years of data collection to make, and I'm finally happy enough with the evidence to release it in one compact comprehensive video for you all to see.
I would first like to thank the entire mapping & beta hunting community for all the hard work, I've enjoyed being a part of it for all these years! I will mention a special thanks below, if I miss anyone I'm sorry, it was not intended, we all worked hard on this data.
Special thanks to these valuable people in this process.
Pariah87
Treefitty
Alz (Kirk Lazarus)
Petko
Noru
ivarblaauw (SkymnäsWolf)
AndyGanteks
Kajjy
rml_gta
rollschuh2282
SupertrexBL
cp
Videotech
BlueJayKRO
BobbyWest
Darealbandicoot
Enzo Mullere
Viceman
gtagrl
SHRIKEACOLUIS
Cutter De Blanc
SneakyDeaky
KENNYOUT3
eyman
Nyfyr
TheWhiteHat
AwkwardTwinkie
Gtaman_92
And many more from the mapping process...
Sources:
Pariah87's youtube channel
/ pariah87
The Basement Gamer Bros (Exploring Beyond discord)
/ discord
Alz beta map path comparison
imgur.com/YIbqdpH
iRDR2 mapping thread
www.igta5.com/...
GTAForums Mapping & Beta threads
gtaforums.com/...
gtaforums.com/...
Music
Jesse Gallagher | Maestro Tlakaelel
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[@JungasFilms]

Van Horn being way out at the edge of the map instead of awkwardly positioned between two very industrialized towns would've been so much better. Like, ''this is the last stop. You're on your own here.''

[@BasementGamerBros]

Totally agree. And it being a Trading Post makes sense that it's a port town on the mouth of a river before the sea.

[@SM-zl4zd]

God damn! What a missed chance. The constelation of Annesburg and Van Horn always kinda irritated me, it always felt "off", now that you mentioned it, I exactly know why.

[@PSCookieKid]

@@SM-zl4zd I never saw a problem with it. But I guess I can see where you're coming off of.

[@planecrazybuilder4234]

That would be cool since it would feel desolate since it’s in the outskirts of the map

[@celestrix_og]

No its way better how it is now it would just be wasted space

[@luukieluuk_]

It's actually kind of sad to think about just how much map in the north got cut / moved south

[@OWLovethBL]

I thought so too, but thinking about it more, does the game really suffer for not having loads more snow and mountain terrain? It's the slowest, most difficult terrain to navigate when you play, and adding more of it doesn't really do anything for the game overall. For me, I think the redevelopments on the south east corner of the map, blocking off Guarma, making Lemoyne smaller, removing some of the islands in the main river are much bigger losses. I'd almost say I wished they'd finished that area as intended and just binned off New Austin, since they don't really use it for much in the game, and it doesn't even make sense for John Marston to go there, since he says in RDR1 that he's never been to Armadillo or New Austin before.

[@8names311]

@@OWLovethBL maybe for the story but in online that'd personally ruin the game for me for good because new Austin is the last actual wild west feeling part of the game there is and if they took that away for fucking guarma? A tropical island? In a WILD WEST GAME. it's already probably the most unrealistic and trash wild west game but at least we still have remnants of the bloody map that we had before that was actually wild Westernish

[@braydenh97]

@@8names311 quit complaining

[@dennisgunnar1005]

You probably dont care but does someone know a method to get back into an instagram account?? I was dumb forgot my password. I would love any help you can offer me.

[@leebo8482]

@Dennis Gunnar instablaster =)

[@wildcat5498]

In general, the early sea entrance from Saint-Denis looks more logical than the final version. The real New Orleans eventually flows into the Caribbean Sea and from the game side it looks strange that Saint-Denis is surrounded by Mexico.

[@BasementGamerBros]

Yeah it was an odd move but I guess that was their answer to lockng off the map for whatever reason.

[@heinzguderianbutmoreyounge9659]

Yep saint denis more looking like st louis rather than new orleans,maybe they want to make the iron lake become the mexican gulf,or in that case the flat iron gulf

[@Gambito99100]

I think the sea entrance is still there, only not present for the player to see, bc there's no way the gang could have gotten to Guarma if the Lannahechee river was completely closed Although this thought kinda bugs me bc if the Lannahechee river opens to the Caribbean sea, than this means most of New Austin and Nuevo Paraiso are incredibly below sea level

[@heinzguderianbutmoreyounge9659]

@@Gambito99100 its was more likely using the northern stream or southern stream,dutch mentioned that the ship would take an pennsylvanian coal,so there was maybe an norther stream that end up at the sea

[@jakel2429]

@@heinzguderianbutmoreyounge9659 but if it was shipping Pennsylvannian coal, why didn't the ship just set off from Pennsylvania, unless there was a river mouth closer to northern cuba, much like the unseen one near Saint Denis?

[@lofigirlfriend7898]

I weep for Cumberland Forest, the true victim of the Grizzlies shuffle

[@jakel2429]

Same, Cumberland Forest is so underrated

[@BasementGamerBros]

Indeed, the whole forrst was completely pushed out of the picture when the grizzlies got moves South. It doesnt even feel like a forest anymore... More like a small woodland.

[@jakel2429]

@@BasementGamerBros I agree, plus it would've made more sense than having a Rocky Mountain inspired region border an Appalachian/Ozark inspired region

[@bradwhite5884]

Maybe in RDR3 we go further East and have a proper substitute for Cumberland Forest that is inspired and based on the Beta version, also go South of the river across from Saint Denis as well, so yeah

[@jakel2429]

@@bradwhite5884 That'd be amazing

[@joekreissl4499]

7:55 that actually makes a lot of sense because they probably wanted to add nuevo paraiso to please the fans, but scrapped it half way because of time issues and afraid of another delay, leading it to Mexico being in the game but impossible to get there

[@retrosrobloxreviews9564]

It’s not impossible actually, if you use a glitch and cheats you can get there on console, and on pc just use mods. There’s even some locations that are half finished. For example there’s a small walled town that you can go to, but it’s not very polished at all. Also if you go north to Ambarino, animals still spawn there as well.

[@joekreissl4499]

@@retrosrobloxreviews9564 if my grandma had wheels she would have been a bike

[@the6ix72]

@@retrosrobloxreviews9564 clearly you don't know anything about rdr1 so dont state your opinion again please

[@doomstan]

They weren't gonna add Nuevo Paraiso at all. All you can find in the files are just a bunch of textures of mexico's buildings. But other then that, El Presidio being in rdr2 is simply just eye candy

[@joekreissl4499]

@@doomstan what you said doesnt contradict with what i said. I speculated they left the work they left unfinished partially viewable in the game but inaccessible. you responded by saying you can only find files containing textures of mexico's buildings. this adds credence to my point - why develop textures of mexico's buildings if they were never planning to add mexico into the game at some point

[@themadtitan7603]

I think the leaked map was just more logical overall and better design-wise than the one we ultimately got because of how VH trading post originally was at the edge of the map which makes more sense given it that should've been a last stop before sea with tracks leading northwards or where ST Denis sea entrance was originally located.

[@Richardkitts1914]

It was my second favorite. 4:23 is my favorite to how the bayou looks. All they had to do was add new Austin, add Nuevo pereso, add story missions to new Austin from the point where it was supposed to be before Colter that got cut, add side missions to new Austin, add more collectibles to new Austin, add side missions to Mexico, add drawings to Mexico, and add guns/items. Heck, maybe have the buffalo rifle, deringer, elephant rifle, navy revolver, and blunderbuss just for sh*ts and giggles to the gun store (the blunderbuss would be a treasure hunt) . And more cowboy ish/at least ponchos to mexico. Last but not least donkeys that can be bought that can be your horse except a donkey.

[@themadtitan7603]

@Richard Kitts Ideally, I'd love all of that. But realistically, Rockstar probably cut Mexico and didn't add much to New Austin because they were already biting more than they could chew late into development. So I would've been content if they just focused on the new map rather than clumsily shoehorn in NA and Mexico, and added a new desert state based on Arizona/California or make New Hanover more desertic like it was originally.

[@danielbrown8259]

@@themadtitan7603 i have seen you comment on another vid before

[@themadtitan7603]

@@danielbrown8259 Yeah, I get that a lot.

[@roelvaessen6630]

I think Lemoyne is too small. It would have been better if it had two other small settlements. In chapter 3 there isn't that much to explore if you ignore Saint-Denis. And the two plantations take up a lot of space. I think it would have improved the immersion if Lemoyne was a bit bigger. After playing the Epilogue I kind of regret that we spend so little time in New Austin. This state is beautiful! And so big! When playing John in New Austin I feel sad that the gang and Arthur never made it to the west. How different things would have been...

[@skorpiontamer]

I think you don't do a lot with John in New Austin because he mentions in RD1 how he doesn't really go there or haven't ever been there

[@shadowyairsoft7970]

@@skorpiontamer canon wise anything after the epilogue doesn't happen, so him going to New Austin in rdr2 wouldn't make any sense. It's kinda there just to have it since it's cool to be able to explore it.

[@bigstink2459]

The most interesting part of the 2016 map, besides it being better then what we ended up getting are the gang locations. Using the key on the left, it looks like the Van Der Linde Gang was going to camp out at Hanging Dog Ranch. In the actual game, the gang is never even really that close to West Elizabet so it means we possibly had an entirely cut chapter. In Chapter 3, it looks like originally the gang was going to camp out at Dewberry Creek, but I think the devs realized the location didn’t really work, so in the mission where Arthur and Charles head to Dewberry Creek after the shootout in Valentine, they say its way too open and decide Clemens Point is a better spot. In terms of enemy gang hideouts, it looks like there was going to be a few more then what we ended up getting. Cochinay is marked as one, meaning we were possibly going to have to fight hostile Native Americans in West Elizabeth, which was possibly part of the cut content chapter involving Hanging Dog Ranch. Tallulah Jetty also was an enemy hideout. But more interestingly, Dewberry Creek, the Criad Slaughterhouse(i think) , and Lakay were marked as enemy gang hideouts. Dewberry Creek was probably Lemoyne Raiders or O’Driscolls. Lakay could’ve been Lemoyne Raiders or even possibly the Night Folk which makes sense because in the game, Lakay is surrounded with skulls on pikes and other creepy stuff. And the Criad Slaughterhouse might have been a mafia/mob hideout. This is just what I think judging off what I see but who knows

[@Richardkitts1914]

Yeah, in game when you go to lakay Strauss says they drove away the locals living there even though in-game before and after chap. 5 we never see anyone there

[@nathangurule8180]

I think Cochinay would’ve been a hideout for the skinners. They’re the only gang in the compendium without a hideout.

[@Ace-Intervention]

Man I just watched this and you just opened my eyes on what Ambarino could have been, I mean that place so small and insignificant in rdr2, but goddamn looking at the mist map sheesh, makes me want to explore the snowy mountains

[@16thdimensionalmathematics]

The 2017 build (the Railway map leak) seems like it really was the best map iteration. More expansive Roanoke and Ambarino (and the accursed Tempest Rim), better look of the Lannahachee and how it flowed down to where Guama was located, as well as a better looking and more explorable Guama. A shame. It's my favorite version of the map out of 'em all. Who knows, maybe soon in the future better modding support'll come out and maybe polish up the East Grizzlies to their former glory, maybe even add in those unused building models that Mexico now lacks, make it look less empty. We shall see.

[@eniggaracer]

Hell maybe they might even add their own spin to it and add northern grizzlies, and even maybe Crenshaw hills, even though it was never originally planned to contain that town.

[@FreeAimDog]

i play this game alot and usually with my mother to help her out i have to hold her the whole game since shes bad but im ok with it. at the end of the day when shes dead and i look back at this decaying game afew years from now im going to be visiting parts of the map and remembering we use to hang out in those places when we played. when she passes away one of the areas i will remember for sure is the rhodes area and blackwater and great plains.

[@DennisMartinezCalifornia]

🥺 you're a good son ok just know that. You're trying to let her see a virtual world from home and that's a nice thing you do for her. I wish you nothing but good fortune 💪🏽

[@FreeAimDog]

@@DennisMartinezCalifornia she’s pretty decent nowadays compared to how she use to play, we beat afew call to arms and legendary bounties by ourselves so i know we both improved compared to 2 years ago.

[@spacebean7444]

​@@FreeAimDogdo y'all still play?

[@ExpiredWasabi]

This is truly stellar content, so much effort put into it I applaud you sir.

[@BasementGamerBros]

Thanks 👍

[@watermelon5159]

I'm a few years late to this, but I truly can't think of a justification on why so much of Cumberland Forest was removed and why they pushed Grizzlies East south. The map arguably would have benefited from keeping the mountains further back, as it's kind of jarring to see the Grizzlies in Rhodes, and not to mention, Saint Denis. On top of that, opening the Lanahachee to the Ocean helps the geography make more sense in that area. What's really strange to me tough is that they intentionally made West Elizabeth even less accurate to it's RDR1 counterpart. Aurora Basin being a good example of this. Can't think of why they did this, maybe to give the impression of the geography changing over the years? However, maybe the original deisgns were duller, or less fun to explore, who knows. They must've had their reasons, but it's certainly interesting.

[@cavman9883]

You make great points! I especially think it is very strange seeing the snowy mountains all the way down in Lemoyne, or even in the bayou - you just look Northern and see those snowy-topped mountains while you're out in the bayou, haha. One reason I think Lemoyne gets so foggy and misty more often compared to the other in-game States is to prevent the player from seeing the mountains in the distance: seeing huge mountain ranges when down South is rather peculiar, so the fog/mist blocks the view of them and adds to the overall humid, Southern look. As well, have you noticed how the Heartlands seem so high up, especially when looking at the Heartlands from Lemoyne? Well, I think the reason why the Heartlands are high up is to block the view of the large mountain ranges (West Elizabeth side) so they aren't visible from Lemoyne.

[@simw0981]

with my second playthrough I tried to understand better the map and locations tempest rim was the first location that I found strange and every researchs I made eventually lead me to this video so Huge thanks because it's the best I've seen covering the subject. This game is incredible and it's kind of a shame we didn't have cut content and regions they intend to do nevertheless thank you again

[@GameRollRDR]

great work! very interesting and well made

[@BasementGamerBros]

Thanks GameRoll 🍻

[@Vashtanerada477]

Extensively researched, well-presented, with informative commentary. Very well done! Definitely subbing.

[@BasementGamerBros]

Thanks Ryan, I appreciate it 👍

[@rlmgta2393]

Great video DuPz0r man, as always!!!👌👌

[@BasementGamerBros]

Thanks RML GTA 🍻

[@TheLegacy-Gaming]

People may give Rockstar a lot of hate but I feel they do take pride in the games they put out and when a leak comes out to the public that takes Rockstar a step back from their progress. Imagine all the GTA VI "leaks" that came out, who knows maybe they were close to be spot on and Rockstar had to take a step back because of it. Also Saint Denis was originally going to be called New Bordeaux.

[@completelyroundoak]

I remember seeing that 2016 leak when it came out and my guess is that they just hadnt come up with a name for the city yet and went with New Bordeaux to callback to mafia 3. Either that, or they really liked the Carcer City callback in GTA 5 and wanted a city cameo that was a bit more involved. Personally, i just think they dont wang to merge 2 ips into the same, concrete universe.

[@deanstiller]

It was probably a placeholder

[@savlecz1187]

@@deanstiller I don't think so. New Bordeaux is even mentioned in the final game, if they recorded songs that include the name, they probably felt it was set in stone. The opening lines of Ring Dang Doo: "When I was just a lad, you know, I met a gal from New Bordeaux."

[@Richardkitts1914]

​@@completelyroundoak they came up with new bordoex but changed it after the realized it was in mafia 3

[@CoreyL337]

I've been lurking on the Discord for a long time since discovering this channel, I love reading about all the discoveries, theories and truths uncovered about my favorite game of all time. Thank you everyone on Basement Gamer Bros! :)

[@heinzguderianbutmoreyounge9659]

Too bad rockstar scrapped so many of them,maybe hopefully rdr3 map will be really representating the west of mississippi river,new state like the lannahachee state,state in the northern part of roanoke inspired ny northern arkansas and southern missouri and across is tennesse and kentucky,while in the north of ambarino they added new state to the twin dakotas and canada,while to the west of new austin is state inspired by new mexico,southern colorado,arizona and southern california,while they expanded mexico more and added canada

[@bradwhite5884]

Explore more eastward, northward, and southward of the RDR2 map in RDR3 or the new Red Dead game that takes place here, also explore more in the West of New Austin and expand Mexico area as well, Also make Guarma more deplorable as well, so yeah

[@flowstate9716]

I think rdr 3 will release in 2026 or later, and will have absolutely insane big map with everything rdr 2 did right and more. On top of that i think goodbye to marston

[@themadtitan7603]

@@flowstate9716 What to you mean goodbye to Marston?

[@themadtitan7603]

@@bradwhite5884 Maybe the PS6/next Xbox will be powerful enough to handle it who knows? But I don't think RDR3 should expand the map in so many directions just for the sake of it, just focus on expanding map north and westward because those are where the real frontier lies and where the shortcoming of RDR2's map.

[@flowstate9716]

@@themadtitan7603 no more marston universe

[@Waffles_Syrup]

I've been waiting for a video exactly like this for a while now. Very well done. What I would do to play on a beta version of the map though, looks so cool. My favorite time on the map was when I first explored the north trail going from East to West, one of the best areas of the map but with very little to do up there after the first time up there.

[@marekkumitsu6343]

It's been a long time since you uploaded a rdr2 related video. And of course, it's golden :]! Cheers.

[@StuartLugsden]

I hope RDR3’s map will connect to West Elizabeth, Big Valley, Redemption mountains and Grizzled West.

[@BasementGamerBros]

That would be great!

[@wildcat5498]

Only RDR3 is unlikely to be due to the limitations of the story arc itself. But it would be interesting to create at least an approximate general map of the US in the RDR2 world with all the states mentioned. So for example, I think that West Elizabeth is bordered on the west by North Elizabeth, and on the east by New Hanover Mississippi and other northern states.

[@heinzguderianbutmoreyounge9659]

Yep,maybe they expand into across the lannahachee river into the lannahachee state,because in real life mississippi state was named after mississippi river,and to the north of roanoke maybe a new state based out of northern arkansas and southern missouri and some part of tennessee and kentucky across the river,and new state above ambarino maybe inspired by the dakotas and canadian border,while the west continues to part of new mexico,arizona and southern california,and they expand again mexico and hopefully added canada,well now i only have to do is waiting if there was even a rdr3

[@StuartLugsden]

@@wildcat5498 North Elizabeth is where Dutch and Hosea met Sean so if RDR3 is another prequel we could explore region.

[@wildcat5498]

@@heinzguderianbutmoreyounge9659 Rather, above the game Ambarino is the second part of the Ambarino with the Northern Grizzly (Northern Grizzlies are mentioned in the game by Arthur) because the game Ambarino is a solid mountain wooded area that looks strange for a full-fledged state, but at the same time, the game mentions the governor of Ambarino, indicating that the state has some infrastructure. In the world of RDR, there seems to be no such state as New Mexico (like Louisiana) due to the presence of New Austin.

[@TheKillerDonuts]

Great video, I’ve rewatched this like 10 times I just find it all so interesting. One small thing, but I would’ve rather the Heartlands keep the amber grass.

[@buxbux40]

for some reasons this gives me goosebumps i really dont know why bruh, does this only happen to me when i look at rdr1 and rdr2 maps

[@NicolasKeven]

I have similar feelings, I love this type of video, and the soundtrack helps make it even better

[@bydlakbolszewik847]

Seeing these beta maps is a little like seeing a doppelganger, it looks familiar but slightly off, the music and format of the video, as well as the lack of voice over only amplify this feeling

[@matushka__]

Just going through these videos now, but the saddest part is not that it got scrapped. The saddest part is, THAT IT EXISTED and then they DECIDED that it will be REMOVED. Like we litterally could have those maps if we got a pre-release build of the game. It wasn't just a concept version.

[@ryeguy0508]

I have a strong feeling that they're going to add the 'Northern Grizzlies' to Ambarino. Ambarino is an official state but we don't see any town with a seat of government. That means that Ambarino isn't fully presented at it's full borders in RDR2. The rest of the state is to the north.

[@jakel2429]

I dont think we get the full scope of any of the states apart from maybe West Elizabeth or Lemoyne. Take New Hanover for example, the only true towns we are able to visit there are Valentine, a livestock town, and Annesburg, a company town, neither of the two really have a seat of government either

[@ellaella6562]

So much work getting cut out. Just upsetting to see..

[@Eggman_92]

Clicked every ad as this video was amazing

[@BasementGamerBros]

I appreciate it, thanks Eggman 🍻

[@nusamorfiues_7202]

bro i respect u bro,243 videos u did and the content take so much time to make,many failure u go through but the view still low,i hope yt give u the algorythm for u bro,so much effort and so much secret u found. not all ytbers do this kind of videos because they knew its take so much times and fail.but u did it and i hopes in the future the effort u gave now will pays u back,trust me bro. tq for entertain us

[@puredorian]

Amazing research, I'm impressed by the effort of putting everything known in a single video. RDR2 map development is certainly fascinating and I wish we could have pre-release builds to witness it with our own. Thanks for the video!

[@thoriumsucks7142]

Another thing that doesn’t make since is how new Austin apart from hennagens stead is below sea level, since bayous are located at or very close to sea level.

[@AFT_05G]

This was apparent in RDR1 too where inner parts of New Austin and Nuevo Paraiso were lower in altitude compared to Great Plains and Tall Trees in West Elizabeth.It probably remained that way since they expanded the map from West Elizabeth on.

[@pedinhuh16]

Its just crazy to me how MASSIVE of a game RDR 2 is, and the fact the final game, as massive as it is, is still only roughly 50% of the initial game they had in mind...And then there's Guarma on top of it. Talk about overachieving it. They got robbed of the GOTY in 2018.

[@Prak_Giggles]

Fun fact: While wondering through Nuevo Paraiso I began hearing mexican trumpet fanfare, meaning they added a soundtrack for Mexico, either that or they imported it from RDR1

[@marcoantonioarmijomedrano4302]

I found if you go to nekoti rock with a glitch if you press down direction button to see where are you up say nekoti rock west elizabeth so i really think that nekoti rock was really coming maybe they dont have time or something to finish some parts of the map

[@boom_headshot]

Great vid, appreciate the effort

[@BasementGamerBros]

Thanks Boom' 🍻

[@benji3063]

Hell yeah thanks for your analysis !

[@BasementGamerBros]

You're very welcome!

[@Wusyuwu]

Uhh, just realized you put my name in your description. Thank you, don’t know how I helped tho

[@BasementGamerBros]

Everyone in the beta & mapping thread has contributed to understanding the evolution of the map.👍

[@TMATDP]

This is my new favourite channel. I have been playing RDR2 since its release but have avoided videos in case things were spoiled for me (I'm not lying: I still haven't finished the campaign!) but I exhausted all the data mining videos on RDR1. The amount of detail here is incredible and well documented, can't wait to binge all your videos 😂

[@halftoneworld]

This is incredible, thanks

[@naudvanveggel4588]

Love this content, i’ve watched all your RDR2 vids!

[@BasementGamerBros]

Thanks so much, I appreciate it 🍻

[@synthpotato]

Amazing video man! It's so interesting seeing how the map shifted around, I do think Rockstar might be the only company that would design their open world around the story and not vice versa, Like completely re-doing the grizzlies is such an insane move to accommodate for the story, I do think the map being changed is probably why so many complaints on Rockstar's Glassdoor say there isn't much planning for games, RDR2's Entire map shifted so many times unlike GTA 5 which was planned from the start, I wonder if anything similar will happen to GTA 6

[@BasementGamerBros]

Thanks Synth, appreciate it! 100% crazy design methods 😂

[@mullemeck5015]

Wow, real impressive how u found the similatities between the maps like that

[@BasementGamerBros]

Thanks 'Hunter 🍻

[@Shaggy448]

Oh hey I’ve seen you before

[@pariah87]

Awesome work!

[@BasementGamerBros]

Awesome work to you too my friend 😂🍻

[@BlueJayKRO]

Awesome work again there buddy 👍🏻

[@BasementGamerBros]

Thanks BlueJay 🍻

[@edwardblack8532]

They should've kept Van Horn north of Annesburg and had an ocean south of Saint Denis. Based on your Iron Cloud video I wished they kept that in too. By no means am I suggesting the map is too small - I've played for probably a hundred hours and am still finding new secrets and areas - but it could have been bigger with little issue. There are still areas outside the map with rendered details, grasses, trees, etc, even though many wouldn't be viewable without mods or glitches. Tempest Rim is inaccessible without glitches, as is a lot of the area to the northern border of the map, and I see it as a waste.

[@marcowulliampopirers2216]

wow this video,talking about underrated things

[@UitdenOosterhout]

Why is there a river split between Tall Trees and Great Plains? I dont believe there was ever supposed to be a river.

[@KingMasey]

I know I’m quite late and you probably already figured it out but that’s just a border

[@NotSlurry]

@@KingMasey yeah county border.

[@noahguyette8743]

Love this content, thanks!

[@BasementGamerBros]

Thanks Noah 👍

[@nocturnalgamer22]

Excellent Video, Interesting to watch. Keep it up👌👌

[@BasementGamerBros]

Thanks 👍

[@jairocolombo4410]

Omg! What delicius vídeo!👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@outlaw_of_adlers]

Amazing, keep it up!

[@fmx7201]

There's no way they started work on NA and NP in 2017. That's too close to the release date. Especially considering that added a whole lotta content to NA and then scrapped it when they decided Arthur wouldn't be able to go to New Austin. I can't imagine all that happening in the course of a year. They probably started work on the RDR part of the map extremely early, then cancelled Mexico for they could create anything on it, kept working on New Austin, cancelled it, then brought it back in a way that Arthur couldn't visit it.

[@bydlakbolszewik847]

It's actually quite possible. Porting/recreating an already existing map is much easier and takes a lot less time than creating a new one from scratch. They also didn't add a lot of content to NA. Only one main story mission, a few bounty missions, and a handful of random encounters, easter eggs and collectibles. The reason why Arthur can't go to NA is bc they didn't have time to make a 1899 and 1907 version, so they sold us the 1899 version as 1907 and barred Arthur off to hide the fact that is stays the same. If you take a look at the graves in NA, none of them exceed 1899.

[@treLOUGETA]

The original map, with New Austin and Neuvo Paraiso included, would have been perfect. Some much potential lost. I also agree with the other comments regarding how the final map has positioned some of the locations in odd places. Like Van Horn definitely should have remained in its original placement above Annesburg as it makes sense geographically. Same thing with Saint Denis’ original design.

[@GoldDeagleowner]

This video plays like a 9/11 conspiracy video and i love it

[@lewisthornton3484]

Great video as always :)

[@arjentromp12]

hopefully they add some sort of DLC for RDR2 with lots of content either for john to explore in the epilogue or removing the sniper and keeping the bounty for arthur.

[@verdun16]

I’m so glad they added New Austin, it’s my favorite spot on the map. But I’m pissed they got rid of Nuevo Paraiso

[@dragonlax999]

Great vid!

[@Yes-Bean]

I find it cool how saint denis used to be called new bourdeaux

[@emulatorisland7417]

I wish RDR2 got delayed till 2019 ngl after seeing all the cut content.

[@silo6427]

Yeah tho unfortunately a lot of games have cut content.

[@emulatorisland7417]

@@silo6427 Tru, tru... But looking at all the single player content it just kills me deeply. Wish they did a "directors cut", but that's hoping for too much. The cut content in RDR2 is just so damn interesting, DAMN IT... I WISH THEY COULD DELAY IT LIKE A YEAR MORE.

[@silo6427]

@@emulatorisland7417 Yeah I agree, it's such a shame that a lot was cut. A directors cut would be cool but unfortunately rockstar abandoned this game for the next gta.

[@UncleIsRedHarlow]

​@@silo6427nah, have you heard about them abandoning Red Dead online? They didn't abandon the game because of GTA 6, they abandoned it because of GTA online, their sugar baby game. Rockstar is just money hungry now for no reason, they've delayed GTA VI for so long, If they can make a masterpiece of a game in 7 years, why are they taking so long for a game that we've waited for 10 years? And we have to wait another 2 years All I got to say is if GTA 6 isn't the best game I laid my eyes on, I'm losing all hope for Rockstar games

[@UncleIsRedHarlow]

​@@silo6427especially the disappointment they made when we thought that there was going to be a Red Dead Redemption remastered, but it ended up being a port for an outdated console and Nintendo switch

[@chaisy4269]

if only they had delayed the game for 6 months now we would have a much bigger map and probably having more time they would not have compacted the rocky mountains to the south and the cumberland forest would be much more beautiful and bigger ... not to mention guarma which would be huge, we would also have the richest and most detailed snow-capped mountains and we would have the nuevo paradiso !! PS red dead redemption is already a masterpiece of its own and I'm not complaining but it makes me angry a little bit because it could have been 40% better than now which in my opinion is the best game in history

[@dukko1116]

Nice vid you deserve more credit.

[@ColossalPontiac]

I wish we had the full map intended in the game. But we can hope along with the states above New Austin we can get Mexico and more ambarino in the next game.

[@JonathanTaylor85]

Would have been nice to get a DLC that added lots of bounty of mission to NA, and maybe Mexico with bounties as well. GTA online just made too much money to pump the brakes on it.

[@matthewg1851]

I wonder how much content was lost.

[@erei5659]

i always thought the in-game map looked weird.

[@AFT_05G]

All R* maps look weird on paper form,in a good way.

[@ericmedina1032]

Amazing video.

[@pepzback8486]

great video 👌

[@BasementGamerBros]

Thanks Francisco 🍻

[@9doublem28]

wow.. good job man👌💪👍✌️

[@Dutch_van_der_Linde_1899]

I say the 2016 leaked map is legit because it doesn't show New Austin as it was built and added by R* in the very last stages of development

[@BasementGamerBros]

All the maps in the video are legit.

[@Dutch_van_der_Linde_1899]

@@BasementGamerBros yeah and thank you for the hard work brother

[@JamieFromGlasgow]

Great video

[@BasementGamerBros]

Thanks Jamie 🍻

[@rwqrsafewfew3wqfwfw889]

I wish this game took like a year more to develop

[@AFT_05G]

It's still a masterpiece tho you can't really keep up with people's expectations these days...

[@rwqrsafewfew3wqfwfw889]

@@AFT_05G I'm not saying it's not a masterpiece. In fact it's the best game I ever played. I'm saying that it could've been much better if they took more time to develop it.

[@ANW1173]

Just like gta 6, i'll better wait for 1 - 2 more years for this, we have waited too long so 1-2 more years wont be an issue

[@PSCookieKid]

Am I the only one who noticed that Annesburg and Van Horn had pretty much swapped locations?

[@KingMasey]

Not only had they swapped locations, The older map shows that Van Horn was further north (which is now just outside the map area)

[@ericmedina1032]

I'm just very confused on the white railway map shown. It looks like the original 2016 leaked map, with the beta Roanoke ridge/Cumberland area, but Grizzlies west resembles the final one? Would that have meant that they expanded Grizzlies west but kept the beta Grizzlies east? Its just kind of difficult to picture.

[@UitdenOosterhout]

Lol the empty river in the heartlands/lemoyne is visibile in the early RDR2 map. in the actual map is also visible but there is no water in it.

[@Elvishasleftthebuilding105]

I feel like the lannahachee river branching off should of been kept there cuz after the Saint Denis bank robbery the gang gets on a boat and then they go into the fog but in the final copy of rdr2 there is only 1 valid way to guama, up the lannahachee river past annsberg out of the map but if the branch off in the river wasn't removed it would make a lot more sense cuz in the cutscene the giant boat goes towards the river back south of Saint Denis so it would make more sense to go down the branch off to get to cuba.

[@Elvishasleftthebuilding105]

Either the cutscene was made before R* got rid of the branch off or they was kinda drunk

[@melanyuxart6153]

Where i can contact you in private? I dont know if you can help me to something about of out the map.

[@BasementGamerBros]

Join the dicord group, and PM if you want. My name is DuPz0r. discord.gg/hAhEZsk6

[@LapisOnTheMoon]

@@BasementGamerBros is there an updated link? this one's invalid

[@BasementGamerBros]

discord.gg/zZPzYM8m

[@watchmangamer4380]

3:59 I just noticed that Saint Denis is called New Bourdeaux in this beta map. That's a tip that RDR/RDR 2, and Mafia games universes are all connected!

[@wildcat5498]

Only Red Dead Redemption and Original Mafia universe heh

[@Darkwrath93]

Has anyone noticed that the boundary of Ambarino is the same as Tajikistan?

[@DennisMartinezCalifornia]

Tajikistan moments 😯

[@vincentstefani9685]

Will you make a journey around the world with a bird ?

[@vincentstefani9685]

Great job anyway 🤘

[@BasementGamerBros]

It's on my list, I will get to it one day. 😅

[@vincentstefani9685]

@@BasementGamerBros i am the boring guy who asks the same thing since a few years 😂😂😂

[@BasementGamerBros]

Yeah I know you've requested it many times. I will get around to Vincent 🍻

[@Camoman1221]

How can you fly with birds? When I change to one I cant even move.

[@BasementGamerBros]

The mechanics were changed in a later patch. Lenny's Simple Trainer allows you to reactivate the old animal mechanics. 👍

[@playerdoestheinternet]

Houser's cut when?

[@playlist-explorer]

what's background music name?

[@ladysnowflake653]

13:50 the image in the bottom right corner, is that area outside or inside the map?

[@BasementGamerBros]

That's the glacier, which is technically inside the map in the first chapter. But then it's cut off from the map after you've saved Marston. But, it connects to the outside of the map without boundaries, so really it's "outside".

[@enderplant]

Unfortunately, I play RDR2 on console so I cannot mod it.

[@BasementGamerBros]

There's still much to see if you glitch out of the map on console versions. No need to mod it! 👍

[@NeverOhVer]

Great video, but why’d you have to use the creepy-ass music.

[@bydlakbolszewik847]

I actually think the music kinda fits. Looking at these early maps feels a bit off, like you're looking at something that shouldn't exist

[@henryscarhead4218]

Hi!, Can you do this in RDR 1 map as wil as RDRevolver? Just try'na make a full map of R*'s from GTA's map + RDR's.

[@wildcat5498]

It's not working

[@WinsomeFaun60]

Grab a coffee and enjoy but I hate Coffee 😔 Will Hot Chocolate work 🤔 Lol 😆

[@BasementGamerBros]

Your preferred beverage then! 😅

[@deadgambler879]

So strange how such a rushed and cut game is still so good...... Rockstars rush and incomplete is any game developers wish

[@AFT_05G]

I wish more people appreciated that

[@theangrycheeto]

'Guama' sounds like it's pronounced how a child would say grandma.

[@BasementGamerBros]

😂

[@PLANDerLinde99]

You're telling me they started work on this game as early as 2015?

[@AFT_05G]

On the map yes,on the game well probably as early as 2011-2012.

[@AlextheKungfuMaster]

They started work on RDR2 in 2013, when GTA V was nearly completed. Roger Clark has mentioned in multiple interviews that mocap shooting started in August 2013.

[@Anonymous-tt9tk]

It this make with mods?????????????????????????????????????????

[@BasementGamerBros]

All material shown is what's left in the final game. The only mods i used was to use the bird to fly around the map.

[@davidkys9466]

this is why Rockstar shouldn't rush games, So we can have a better and bigger map

[@-gayniggas]

​@@high440 and ps4 couldnt handle so much content, anyways, gta 6 is going to be insane. trust

[@-gayniggas]

@@high440 If they make gta 6 for ps4 as well, it is going to be a bad game

[@-gayniggas]

@@high440 They need to make a game better than rdr 2

[@AFT_05G]

Bigger≠Better This game has the perfect map for a horseback travel based open world game.Not small,not pointlessly big,perfect size.Also it's extremely varied in biomes and most importantly it feels alive.

[@oliiverbetts]

Brokeback? 💀

[@bassgasmask]

aw dude no voice or narration... if you re upload with even text-to-speech or ai voice over: ill check it out.. looks like this was going to be a interesting video too

[@joshshaw6]

Who reads a video? 😅

[@rdrenjoyer]

RDR2 could have been way more better

[@AFT_05G]

I mean map size could've been bigger but other than that there's not all that much to correct.Game is near perfect.

[@rdrenjoyer]

@@AFT_05G Trust me there is, and the whole online is to change.