Basso Diamante: How good is a Premium Carbon Bike?

[@Pmor75]

Their Gravel bike looks amazing, I have seen it in the flesh. Good looking bike!

[@TESTA-CC]

It's Nice That Basso a Smaller Italian Brand, Will Produce The Carbon Layout in Italy.

[@thegoodwheel]

Yeah, I think that's great!

[@universe-juice]

Is a stunner! Have always liked the forks of Basso

[@Simonewhitesim-1music]

Basso Is a great Brand. They also still have rim brake bikes. I love my Basso ride and Fit.

[@thegoodwheel]

Nice! Thanks for sharing 👍🏾

[@SimonGarces-x3w]

I love Bike Tech. I always pass by to say hello to guys and get all my cycling stuff from there . Man those Lamborghini Edition 3T bikes look amazing !

[@thegoodwheel]

Those are some nice bikes. The paint is fantastic 👌🏾

[@robbchastain3036]

Yes, it would be great to see those bike rides return and you'd be a great ambassador for them, Luis. And they could call it the Luis Scott Big Florida Bike Ride Series. 😀

[@thegoodwheel]

Ha ha. Let's ride!

[@tommccarty4163]

I own two rim brake versions (yes they still make a rim brake version) of this bike and love it. Recommend to purchase the frameset and build it up as you like.

[@thegoodwheel]

Nice! Thanks for sharing 👍🏾

[@the_luki]

No mater which bike or which materials...its all about the rider.

[@cyclingfastest5053]

I rode a Basso Astra in my holidays this year and i have to admit, it was a very responsive and nice bike. (Normally I'm on Cinelli and BMC)... friend of mine bought it some month ago. He was on a Trek Madone, but he couldn't menage to set his Super Record on the Trek going snooth because of the BB-Housing. He's also very happy with the Basso now and the Groupset is doing a perfect job now 😊

[@thegoodwheel]

Thanks for sharing!

[@timowen5772]

As is your standard - some really good descriptions of the frame and how it feels/reacts. You have a rare gift of being able to describe these subtle traits!

[@thegoodwheel]

Thank you Tim!

[@tromBoyer]

I’ve owned three of those “uncommon” Italian badges - Basso, Ciocc, and Bottecchia. I might be telling my age…!

[@chevyyyyyyy]

The Basso is nice. Renzo Formigli also makes all of his bikes in N. Italy, and produces the handsome carbon Formigli Zero from his own mold. While a few ounces heavier, they are less twitchy or, as someone described overly light bikes, mousy. Renzo also makes steel.

[@tomkunich9401]

I'll stick with my Basso Loto, and before that, my Basso Gap. NOS as well.

[@D_in_DC]

I respect your honest opinions about the Basso. Great video!

[@thegoodwheel]

Thanks D!

[@VictorHurtubia]

Nice video!, Regarding of holding the speed on those high tempos, I can blame the wheels, since the In House brand is good, but its not a wheel specialist. I would recommend riding it with some nice deep wheelset with some better rolling and you will feel how this bike flies

[@thegoodwheel]

Thanks for sharing 👍🏾

[@anthonyharris483]

Don't forget Ciocc in the 80s and 90s had made some incredible steel framed bikes

[@thegoodwheel]

True. Fond memories of Ciocc who I believe are still producing in Italy.

[@anthonyharris483]

@thegoodwheel Love their chrome plated finish. A club racing buddy of mine had one and it looked incredible. I raced a Scapin SLX back in the 80s and early 90s

[@tromBoyer]

Out of all the bikes I’ve owned, the late 90’s Ciocc was my favourite. 14.3 Dedacciai steel, Campy SR, Synergy wheels w/ Kevlar spokes - the bike was an absolute joy to ride and race. I lost it when a friend of mine had it in storage, then lost everything when she didn’t pay the bill…

[@Gufolicious]

beautiful bike holy shit. a real beauty. esepcially the front end setup just gorgeous! congrats!

[@thegoodwheel]

Thank you!

[@Omnis2]

When I was looking for bikes, someone had a navy blue Basso Diamante for sale down here. They wanted like $7,000 used though, so that was a no-go, but that bike was gorgeous.

[@thegoodwheel]

They are definitely lookers👍🏾

[@valiantabello]

I ride a Basso this brand is underrated

[@thegoodwheel]

It is indeed. I am really looking forward to discovering this bike.

[@allenrichardson6055]

Don't forget about Scapin. That was my favorite slx frame from the 90's with Campy chorus.

[@thegoodwheel]

Indeed. Great bike 👍🏾

[@trevekneebone369]

And Rossin. I've recently built up a 90's Performance EL OS with Dura Ace 10 speed downtube shifters. Fillet brazed oversize steel. Rides beautifully 🇮🇹👌

[@wmnjacobs9807]

Another fair and insightful review. Love your channel, Brother 👊🏼

[@thegoodwheel]

Thank you🙏🏾

[@adamweb]

I'm not that familiar with Basso but wow that's a nice ride! Funny they get the carbon from Mitsubishi, who used to have a car named the Diamante lol

[@thegoodwheel]

Ha ha. Ironic😂

[@georgeszaslavsky]

I have recently ordered a Basso Viper from 1994 made from Dedacciai 18MCDV6HT. The level of craftsmanship in this carbon frame is like Olmo, Daccordi, De Rosa, Bottecchia and Wilier Triestina carbon frames. It is the opposite of the Madone by Trek which is like riding on wood, more or less the same with a Specialized Tarmac. The Mavic Cosmic Carbone or Zipp 404 disc might eliminate the problems you are encountering with the actual wheels

[@thegoodwheel]

Thanks for sharing Georges. Yes. I am currently testing different wheelsets👍🏾

[@georgeszaslavsky]

@@thegoodwheel Hope you will find the wheelset that gives you performance without weighting too much. I am an old school person I still stick to rim brakes but mainly from Zipp and Mavic. Boyd makes also very good Disc brake wheels and so does DT. Reynolds wheels aren't what it used to be. A friend told me a good thing about Dedacciai and 3T wheels , maybe you should have a look at them.

[@n22pdf]

Brilliant real world review Luis.. very well executed dude.. it’s a shame it’s not setup with Campagnolo 😊 Pete 🚴🏻👍

[@thegoodwheel]

Thanks Pete! No doubt, Campy would have been amazing

[@christianfranjul5956]

New to cycling and been watching your content to learn about cycling and the community. Very informative videos short sweet and straight to the point. Love that your not a brand whore and really judge bikes for what they are.

[@thegoodwheel]

Thanks Christian!

[@mvp_kryptonite]

Bike looks sweet! 12:53 😱 that moment was priceless Look forward to more reviews

[@thegoodwheel]

Ha ha, yeah and so true!

[@kbunited]

Nice bike! It's funny, i was recently talking to my bike dealer guy about the Basso. I am thinking about the Basso Viper steel frame as my next build. The Basso brand is definitely underrated, maybe due to it being considered by many, a boutique brand.

[@thegoodwheel]

That is awesome. The Viper is something I would love to ride. Hopefully, people's perceptions will begin to change about Basso and some of these other brands.👍🏾

[@shirtlessGraveler305]

that looks like the Coral way bike tech store, And I miss those events back in the day before Covid. Looking forward to some events in the future they don’t have to be races like what’s going on now.. in the scene. I don’t always care about that. I just like big events that were fun.

[@tomkunich9401]

It appears that many clubs broke up during the lockdown, but new clubs are popping up. I'm too old to ride in in fast groups now, but I can remember as they pass.

[@thegoodwheel]

Yes, unfortunately many of the new cyclist just go balls to the walls from start to end of the ride... on every ride.

[@nerigarcia7116]

All those names you listed are still producing bike, mainly in Italy and Europe, but they're still out there. Not many are still made in Italy anymore but the names live on. I know quite a few friends in Europe (Italy, Netherlands, Spain) who all ride Basso. I love riding something others don't.

[@thegoodwheel]

👍🏾

[@tonypapay]

I visited Sicily a few years back and rented a bike from a local. It was a Basso and it went up Etna just fine. Rim brakes on the way down were scary.

[@thegoodwheel]

👍🏾

[@fionaslife]

Beautiful bike Luis. I'm on my first carbon bike and It's fun and light to ride. Asante Sana

[@thegoodwheel]

Hey, Fiona. I saw your teaser video🤭 I look forward to seeing more of it👍🏾

[@fionaslife]

@@thegoodwheel karibu Sana Luis 🚴🌞

[@thomashussey5159]

Great job Luis. I used to live in south Florida so I hope you’re trying to stay somewhat cool on your rides. Don’t miss those awful summer months!😊

[@thegoodwheel]

Thank you. I definitely pull back on the rides during the hot months👍🏾

[@militaryminedid2011]

I believe Ciocc and Guerciotti are still made in Italy and can be sourced in the states by Zar Bikes.

[@thegoodwheel]

Thanks for sharing that!

[@Lorenzotti.coffee]

You should try a Time bike.

[@thegoodwheel]

I've heard!

[@mattttt3057]

I have the Time alpe d’huez 21. Not their top bike but still amazing enough. Love it. Dream machine is an Officina Battaglin…..Campag equipped.

[@daviddjerassi]

HAHA i have an old bedstead for you to ride love the review a honest no frills review ditch the stock wheels and you have a great bike ,thanks Luis more please .

[@thegoodwheel]

Thanks David🙏🏾

[@christiankeim]

When I was at the ribble factory I learned they manufacture lots of basso's frames. Kinda like canyon only manufactures 10% of their own bikes. This is what I learned on my world tours. There's 4 major factories that manufacture everything for everyone. Two located in Taiwan. Nothing against these manufacturers, just a reality. I can't tell you how many people think their bikes are made in Italy or so on because they purchased a bianchi that says "built in Italy" when in reality, Gt bikes started that scam. Just means they assembled it there.

[@alanwoodison5716]

Except Basso actually have a facility in Italy, near Venice, where they manufacture their own frames. Almost everyone else though, yeah, you're right.

[@christiankeim]

@@alanwoodison5716 basso even has their lower end frames made overseas. Most manufacturers have in house factories. But they all send their lower end products overseas for manufacturing. Basso has like 3 different grades of carbon. They only make one grade in house

[@bb-r5710]

Looking good Luis. Nice review❤

[@thegoodwheel]

Thank you!

[@nathanmelvin8780]

Would love to see a side by side comparison with hr and pwr of steel vrs the carbon and rate of exertion.

[@thegoodwheel]

👍🏾

[@atlantaswelder]

Nice video 👏👏 Good looking bike

[@thegoodwheel]

Thank you 👍🏾

[@jayobannon5359]

I feel you should have a bike of each material. Still havent gotten a magnesium frame.

[@thegoodwheel]

👍🏾

[@bryanhughes9239]

Coming away from this, I have to wonder how your review would have sounded if that frameset was loaded with a quality groupset and wheelset, say Campy Chorus 12 and some Boras...

[@rkbllc]

I would like to see a piece on gum wall tires. I always thought they handled better but then I am an old timer.

[@thegoodwheel]

Thanks for watching. Tire technology is rapidly changing. They have very advanced rubber compounds these days.

[@sepg5084]

I have owned a carbon bike with hydraulic brakes for a decade. I don't see why people be hating and make a big deal out of it. Carbon is light, hydraulics operate smoothly, that's all there is to it. If people don't like it then just don't buy it. aluminium and steel frames still exist and are cheaper, cable brakes still exist and have affordable options too. The cheapest road bikes that i know have cable rim brakes and aluminium frames that won't rust like steel does 🤷

[@thegoodwheel]

👍🏾

[@NWGreek]

Luis, you're a true rider's rider! Ride em all! No bitchin' and complaining! There all cool!

[@thegoodwheel]

Absolutely. Let's Go!

[@jvit27]

Coming from the Ti and getting on a premium carbon frame, did you find yourself missing the Ti (or preferring it) at all ?

[@thegoodwheel]

I miss the acceleration of the Ti. But after a few rides with other wheelsets, I will have a better idea.

[@jvit27]

@@thegoodwheel staying tuned!

[@sventice]

How does it compare to the steel or titanium frames that you've been using? Have you changed your mind about metal frames?

[@thegoodwheel]

I need more time on it and I will cover that in a future review.

[@bengt_axle]

Would you say you felt more road buzz (vibrations) coming through the bars, saddle and pedals, compared to your steel or ti rides?

[@thegoodwheel]

So far, I wouldn't say so... no. What I do believe I feel is the bluntness of impacts in a more pronounced way. I think those vibration frequencies don't always come through... but they take a toll. Great question👍🏾

[@bengt_axle]

@@thegoodwheel Thanks for the response. I think a new business model is needed for the high-end bikes: sell whole bike, except for the wheels and saddle. Rotors are supplied to go with the brakes and the hoses are connected (to be cut later on when steerer is cut), but fork shipped not threaded in the head tube. This would save a lot of space and weight for shipping, make it easy for the consumer or bike shop to assemble and not have to buy a second set of wheels and a saddle because it is not comfortable. It would also allow bike shops to add more value for the consumer, instead of struggling to make a sale on a bike with mediocre wheels.

[@brianbackes4974]

@@bengt_axleI like how you think.

[@bx_cyclingchef]

Dude, what happened? You shaved.

[@thegoodwheel]

Lol. Yeah Bro. It will be back

[@bugabutu]

​@@thegoodwheelYou look faster without the beard

[@johnnydarko8031]

you look ten years younger.

[@therainbowgulag.]

It's as good as it's BB is round.

[@octaman4218]

Your obsession with Italian brands and group sets are the reason why you're still searching

[@thegoodwheel]

Thanks for watching 👍🏾

[@deanpesci8484]

Answer - NOT GOOD.....still riding my 1996 De Rosa thin tubed Columbus Especiale steel '57 Replica with 8 speed Record. What a joke CCP carbon is, not to mention all that stupid cable routing and disc brakes....give ME a brake! Ugo De Rosa himself built my frame, and there is something about it that is very special....one with the bike, physically and spiritually.....dont try that with Xi Carbon. No Soul Baby....

[@Handletaken4]

What kind of idiot design will not allow stem height adjustment?

[@dengar1313]

Carbon bikes make great dancing partners for the "carbon creak." Absolutely hate how much carbon frames creak.

[@thegoodwheel]

Thanks for watching 👍🏾

[@meinAliasfuer2024]

They do not. That’s bs 😂

[@dengar1313]

@@meinAliasfuer2024 All I know is that my 1987 Trek Elance steel frame is whisper quiet, and my 2023 Trek Domane creaks and moans like a geriatric. =]

[@jaywebb1563]

Dude make up your mind.

[@thegoodwheel]

Thanks for watching 👍🏾

[@michaels8607]

Historically Italian/Euro bikes were made for the One Day Classics and Tours, so they were comfortable yet competent for longer rides. Then when companies like Look were changing things for riders like Hinault/Lemond, things took off into another direction. I learned from an Italian rider so we always rode in am peloton or formation, and back then I had Belgian frame and he had the Vitus/Merckx. I used to love longer rides, from 60 -100,because there's no hiding when it's 5-8 hours in the saddle. So Now Luis, you need to decide which bikes and riders will be with you in the upcoming Tours in Europe..For some reason I totally missed the TDF, yet now that I think of it, I was visiting in Maryland and none of my friends watch cycling..How many stages did you all win?