BAT TR Action: Detailed Overview and Build Kick-Off

[@nathanalvar9156]

I've been running a BAT TR for 3 years in PRS matches, perfect action. Never have had an issue. I'm now one of there sponsored shooters. It's the pinnacle of all actions.

[@danmacdonald1291]

The absolute Rolls Royce of the bolt action world right there... Nice work Gavin! Welcome to the Bat Machine family...

[@cameronkeating6780]

I'm an owner of a BAT 3L, Very happy with their action! great company, and i will be following this build.

[@paulshanley266]

You sir, have officially moved into spirit animal territory. 😄 Just love these in-depth projects. You bring order to an otherwise disordered time. Thank you for the distraction, and detailed info.

[@duggydo]

6 Dasher is a super cool round. I can see why you chose it. Also, the BAT actions are amazing. I suspect this will be your favorite rifle for years and years to come.

[@Ultimatereloader]

Agreed!!!!

[@winnmahuron6314]

Wow, this is the first time I have seen an action like this. Excited for you Gavin!

[@billbee235]

Man, I've been eye-balling one of those actions for the longest time.

[@brianvoegeli5067]

Can't wait to see how this turns out 6 Dasher and 6br are awesome rounds

[@YarickZan]

You should use a Bix’n Andy Tac Sport series instead of Triggertech. Also you don’t need a special tool to take a bolt apart, you can do it with your hands.

[@bobbygonzon5428]

Looking forward to the other vids. I’m really interested in the Bat tactical action.

[@johnnysaechao6218]

Awesome build can’t wait to see the end results!

[@heinrichstoltz1356]

Another epic build coming up. Cannot wait.

[@charlesmckinley29]

I'm glad you build all this cool stuff!

[@dandingfelder6763]

Gavin, this build will be amazing!! Now that you can get Dasher brass, I am not suprised you chose this. Very curious as to what you will put on this for glass.

[@anthonykhalil70]

I wish I could get those bergers in Australia. A idea for your next build 6xc. I just built one. Fantastic case. Can't wait to see this dascher build. Great videos very informative. Keep up the great work.

[@DHGunworks]

Looking forward to the dasher build...did one years ago (2017) and it was a really good solid performing rifle....0.3-0.4 moa at 600 yds about midway through load development...personally, had no feeding issues...just had to adjust feed lip spacing +-0.010 front or back...curious to see how far they’ve progressed...

[@jimhans1]

I prefer the Borden Super Short 6 action myself, I’ve had BAT actions since 2000, once you try a Borden or an original Nesika action from when they were in Washington state, you won’t use any others ;-) enjoy the build though.

[@jimhans1]

Eric I went the other way, had 3 BATs, tried out a Nesika J, R, and K from the time before they were bought by Dakota Arms, and then built 3 more rifles on Bordens’ actions, a Rimrock BRM, a Mountaineer, and a Super Short 6. Kept the Borden and Nesika Guns and sold my BATs. The quality on the Borden and Nesika’s was far higher than the BATs at least in the specimens that were available for me to use and test. Edit: I am glad you’re happy with your BATs.

[@k4391]

@@jimhans1 I have BAT,Borden,Kelbly and Defiance actions. I prefer Borden any more

[@hoier01]

Actually Norma came out with dasher brass a few years ago and it was poopy. You can still get it somewhere but I can’t remember where. It was made for bullets.com(Grizzly) when they were a thing. They tried to change a few things like the neck length and the thickness of the rim.

[@georgerahn1301]

Great job Gavin, your component choices will produce a shooter. Dasher is a proven performer, did you consider 6mm Competition Match..slower but run at 3000 it's a shooter and a little more life in the tube. Thank you for all you do!

[@Longshothawk]

At the start you say the action is the most important part of a rifle. Is it really more important than the barrel?

[@chris_williams_ky]

Looking forward to the build and load development!

[@Trigg6978]

Should be another good series from you. I am looking forward to the rest. I am interested to hear if you take any specific steps to avoid/correct the feeding issues some people seem to have with the dasher.

[@beef81248]

You should do a 6mm GT instead of the dasher

[@cameronkeating6780]

My 6gt was just finished hope to be receiving it this week. Have you had good success with the 6gt?

[@jamesgang94591]

James F I agree. Might as well bump up to the round that will be setting the benchmark soon.

[@Not_Andrew_Huberman]

🧐 top 10 prs shooters might disagree

[@AnthonysOutdoors]

@@Not_Andrew_Huberman The 6GT just came out last year. You'll see it with alot more frequency this year.

[@Not_Andrew_Huberman]

Anthony's Outdoors not from talking to those top 10. The sweet spot of the gt with a 105 Berger is 3020 to the dasher’s 2960. It’s not that big of a difference

[@seanireland1861]

You should try Wolf Percision he builds off a bat action. I’m on my 3rd one and never had any problems.

[@williamflood8296]

Excellent review. Keep up the good work.

[@MikeHughesShooter]

Amazing video as always. Strong work

[@nicklashagan7049]

Definitely digging the new build! Just wish you’d chamber in 6 GT.

[@k4391]

Gavin you should try out a Borden action. I’ve got 7 BAT action and a few Others Borden’s have became my go to action. Jim really does a good job with trigger timing and firing pin drag.

[@xifogetx]

You should give Jamie at wolf precision a call and check out his bat tactical's and ace chambers.

[@riverbard8287]

How do you think the action from Bat compares with an action from Defiance?

[@hickoryridgefarms]

I had a 2013 defiance deviant. I really liked it but the tolerances we so tight it was hard to 2 finger manipulate. So far I’m not impressed with the tenacity because of the bolt handle design. I would like to try a bat. Call mark at short action customs and ask for his opinion

[@clintfawson3302]

You are an extremely good rifle maker and i enjoy watching your videos. Have you ever thought about making your own rail gun for competition? I think that would be all you have left to make in the area of accuracy or are they on a whole different level.

[@brianlee6849]

What is your opinion on the high-end European rifles where the bolt locks into the barrel not the receiver? They advertise superior strength and accuracy. Are there any rifles in America that you know of doing this? Thanks

[@danbruce1899]

I think that a Barrett 98 bolt locks into the barrel.

[@thisisyourcaptin]

New to shooting rifles so help me out here. You mention that the rail is a 20 MOA rail. Is that the position count on the rail? IE you have 20 different positions to mount your scope rings? I’m coming from a 1911 back ground and mausers. The precision world is alien to me. 2nd. When using this action, if I go pick a stock (chassis) what have you, do I look for ones that are Remington 700 comparable? Or do I look for ones that built for this action? In other words is a 700 stock compatible with this receiver? 3rd. This is a pet peeve of mine. I LOVE 3 position safeties. Winchester model 70 style that is. Gentry and Pacific Tool make 3 position safeties for the Rem 700. Would those be compatible with this bolt? Thanks for the help.

[@tomsteinhauer7985]

Nate Osborn 20moa rail is to help with shooting long distance,,, instead of the rail being level, or paral to the barrel bore ,,, it is pointed downward,,, basically to the tune of 20” downward in 100 yards This making any sense ? Basically if you have a scope with 100 moa of travel in elevation you only get 50 moa up and 50 moa down,,,

[@thisisyourcaptin]

Tom Steinhauer Thanks. Yup that makes sense.

[@Iwillfigureoutanamelater]

@Nate Osborn To add on to what Tom Steinhauer is saying, by using a 20 moa rail you are able to zero your rifle higher in its elevation travel, thereby allowing you more adjustment for bullet drop. Let’s say you have a scope with 90 moa of elevation travel. If you have a 0 moa rail on your rifles you would only have 45 moa of possible adjustment, because the scope sits in the middle of its elevation adjustment when zeroed parallel to the barrel. By installing a 20 moa rail it tilts the scope down, now giving you 65 moa of possible adjustment after you re-zero it. That extra 20 moa is VERY helpful when you start shooting at ELR and ULR ranges. Hope this helps.

[@thisisyourcaptin]

D Clark it does help. Thanks.

[@leoashrae4199]

A 20 moa rail is: The top mounting surface of the rail and, therefore, the center axis of the scope, is pointed 20-moa ("minutes-of-angle") down from the axis of the bore of the barrel. The reason why: Some rifle scopes have insufficient elevation adjustment necessary to allow point of impact to coincide with the point of aim at extreme range. Having an additional 20-moa lower point of aim (measured from the axis of the rifle bore) "built in" to the scope mount elevates this problem. Also note that many purpose-built long range rifle scopes have significantly more elevation adjustment capability built into them than is found in most scopes, negating the need for a 20-moa rail with those scopes. Please note that this angle has no direct correlation to ANY fixed bullet impact elevation "distance", regardless of range. 20-moa is a measure of ANGLE, being that difference between the center axis of the rifle bore and the center axis of the scope. Therefor that angle is the SAME, regardless of the range to the target.

[@lawrencelewis1036]

Gavin, in your opinion who makes the best carbon fiber barrel's? The reason I ask is I'm gonna have a 22-250 AI built on the TR Action with carbon fiber barrel.Im not sure about the stock yet. THANK'S

[@devinj.3657]

Will be interesting to see if you have reliability issues with feeding the 6mm Dasher...

[@teo59]

Gavin, if you want really to maximize performance, buy Wilson dies and an arbor press 💪

[@Ultimatereloader]

Yes, check out my videos on those products (Wilson dies, K&M Precision press)

[@jrw2543]

Awesome... Can't wait

[@ShootingAndReloading]

Interesting video - thanks :) The firing pin assembly and removal method seems very similar to the Sako A series actions.

[@eugenejohnson8635]

This bolt action is it better then the Defiance Machine bolt action

[@jbradley500]

How bad of a group can an inconsistent firing pin cause? I had a bad ( stripping threads/ cast material) shroud on a Bergara and groups were terrible like 6 inches. They sent me a new one but I haven't got to shoot it since installing the new shroud and trying to fix anything else I didn't like plus a change of ammo.

[@leoashrae4199]

If it's bad enough to cause inconsistent ignition (like light-strikes)... PLENTY BAD!

[@Subgunman]

Would be nice if it was offered in left hand configuration and the receiver registered as a pistol receiver from the factory. I do a lot of "Hand Cannon" work.

[@k4391]

They do offer it in lefty

[@SMShannon55]

A receiver is recorded as a receiver, not a rifle. Legally it can be built into either a pistol or a rifle.

[@Sagittariustoo]

Wish BAT would build a 22 rimfire action to compete with Vudoo and Curtis. I would get the BAT. Surprised you didn't mention the much superior extractor of the BAT action. I consider the Remington extractor the worst on the market.

[@jeffreydohl6036]

I'm really curious as to why everyone is leaning towards 6 XC, 6 Dasher, 6 Creedmore, .243 Al and so on? Why don't I see more people using 6 SLR? As I've read about a lot of different 6mm cartridges and in my opinion, the 6slr has good ballistics, accuracy short and long range and the fps is really up there and supposedly not a huge barrel burner. Haven't heard much extreme details on the 6slr or anyone doing a lot of testing if you have time, could you please do a segment on this caliber? I'm wanting to build a extremely accurate .243 but have really looked at other 6mm cartridges. Thank you, Jeffrey D.

[@thebeardedgunsmith4295]

6 SLR is excellent. (ive built and shot a few) Many people are scared of it. Its 243 parent case, and with long projectiles, people are afraid it will be too long for a normal magazine with the hyper BC, VLD / ELD type shapes. Its accurate as any other cartridge out there, however most people think "more powder, so it burns barrels faster" wives tale stuff is real. Its currently a popularity contest. Id never run a 6BR or dasher. They have so many issues its crazy (feeding being one of them). At least they have factory brass now.

[@jeffreydohl6036]

@@thebeardedgunsmith4295 So if I'm not shooting competition and I want to shoot say the standard length 100gr or 105gr for long range steel plates and varmints. That should work great and if I wanted to go to the super long high BC bullets I could. I don't mind if I have to single feed my cartridges. I do that with my 30 cal magnums. Thanks, Jeffrey

[@k4391]

@@jeffreydohl6036 The 6SLR is a dam fine round. I’ve been shooting two for years for longer range prairie dogs with 105gr. Both are single shots on BAT model MB actions.

[@thebeardedgunsmith4295]

@@jeffreydohl6036 different for each setup, but you are correct, it should work great.

[@mulekicker-ut5jl]

Do you have any vids with a bergara rifle ?

[@mikecarlson6083]

Why not 6gt? Then no mag blocks

[@dtom420]

Why are you doing a Dasher instead of a GT? Just curious why you decided not to go with the GT which seems to be an improvement over the Dasher.

[@leoashrae4199]

Why such a heavy action for the 6-Dasher, in a relatively light tactical rifle? I ask because your action is essentially the same one (mine's a VR) in my 21-pound F-class gun. It just seems the niche for these actions is F-class, light bench, and maybe long-range hunting from a fixed stand (not having to carry it up and down mountains). I built my tactical rifle on a Defiance Deviant Ultralight action because I figured it had all the smoothness and accuracy potential, without all the weight I didn't want on a tactical rifle.

[@petersouthernboy6327]

If BAT gave you an Action for a KZbin build wouldn’t you use it, too?

[@dangerranger4323]

Why not? He doesn’t seem to be trying to cut weight at all.

[@soonersteve3733]

What is the lock time for this bolt?

[@gw9853]

Ever use Stiller Actions? I'm looking at them for a big boy build upcoming. Excited for this 6mm project you got going!

[@k4391]

Id look at Kelbly atlas or Borden timberland or alpine before any stiller just saying

[@gw9853]

@@k4391 do they have .375 CT offerings?

[@eddieeggleston6642]

Check out Impact Precision actions.

[@k4391]

@@gw9853 you are going big. BAT is the only other action made for the Cheytac that I’m aware of at this time.

[@42N8_1]

Defiance

[@joshrosemore2983]

Looks like a weatherby mark 5 action

[@AnthonysOutdoors]

You're going to regret that 6 Dasher when you have to modify magazines to get it to feed properly.

[@sicemlonghorns]

He will be fine

[@petersouthernboy6327]

Which is why there’s a 6 GT

[@petersouthernboy6327]

Vance koehn - maybe, maybe not

[@AccuSol-ERN]

@@petersouthernboy6327 - Quick news flash.....the 6GT has feeding issues too......what....huh.....yea it does.....oops.

[@nicholasanderson847]

I have 2 BAT TR actions, both chambered in 6 Dasher, both using prefits from Bullet Central. After thousands of rounds and 5 separate barrels, I have never had a single feeding issue….in fact, I have more feeding issues with the 6.5 CM that I have using a cooper action. The only issue I have with the 6 dasher/TR combo is that when I first got one, I couldn’t even tell when it fed a round because it was so smooth. I second guessed myself several times and ejected live rounds on the clock, costing me points. I think maybe the people spouting off about the feeding issues with dashers are either not dasher shooters or have equipment issues. I think it’s a lot of hearsay based on a couple incidents.

[@22Really]

I would like to see a build using a Lone Peak Arms action.

[@planeiron241]

Any custom action is good some r just a little better..make sure you get a nitrited action or you will have galling issues..if you don't keep the Lugs and abutments clean & greased. a full stainless will gall and then the crying starts

[@hoier01]

Plane Iron all alone peaks are Nitrited.

[@planeiron241]

@@hoier01 I don't really know that much about them..just what I've read on ACCShooter they talk quite extensive about the subject of galling and so on..I'm gonna take a look at them..back in my days there wasn't much to pick from uno..hart barrels and a few others actions a few, now you have tons of options..shooting long was only for the bold back 25yrs ago, now it's the rage..shoot straight bro

[@hoier01]

plane iron I agree that every action should be nitrited. On top of the galling problem they are just so smooth. I have shot just about all of the actions and they are all good however the two that come out on top for me are alone Peak and Impact.

[@nilescoyote4829]

With all the choices in 6mm, what brought you to the Dasher?

[@rebelreloading5265]

That’s really nice 👍

[@GregStill-l1h]

Where can I get one of those builds

[@Ultimatereloader]

rifles.ultimatereloader.com

[@vernonlarson7016]

Who is your gunsmith or do u do your own clambering.

[@leeadams5941]

One question, does anybody make a "New" 98 style control feed action?

[@HM1-d4d]

American Rifle Company Check out videos by Ted on their KZbin. Mausingfield, Nucleus, Archemedies.

[@Iwillfigureoutanamelater]

Why not go with a three-lug bolt that has a 60 or 70 degree bolt throw?

[@Ultimatereloader]

Pros and cons- FYI- I'm planning to do a 3-lug build later this year.

[@Iwillfigureoutanamelater]

@gavintoobe Understood. Do you have a video breaking down the pros and cons of each? I’ve been looking into the Curtis Custom Helix for a .300 PRC build.

[@Ultimatereloader]

@@Iwillfigureoutanamelater I'll be doing that video some time this year... :)

[@Iwillfigureoutanamelater]

@gavintoobe Awesome! I’m looking forward to it!

[@dantheman7624]

Ok can i request a mauser 98 build......please.

[@dalegaren3515]

I have a 6 Dasher and have been trying the new Berger 109’s with no luck. Do you have any idea about what loads you are going to start with?

[@k4391]

Go check out accurate shooter forum. They have a tone of dasher info

[@Ultimatereloader]

Tell us about what kind of results you've been getting, and what load you're currently using...

[@johnseptien3138]

Gavin, is that action EDM cut raceway or machined?

[@johnshoureas1629]

What type of extractor does it have ?

[@johnseptien3138]

Looked to be a Mini M-16

[@leoashrae4199]

Looks like the same arrangement in my BAT-VR F-class gun... that has a Sako extractor.

[@johnshoureas1629]

@@leoashrae4199 thanks Leo

[@mryang3644]

What do u recommend for a long action reciever, with interchangable boltface? Looking to build a multi-caliber rifle.

[@Ultimatereloader]

On the cheap end, Savage. On the high end, this TR action from BAT!

[@mryang3644]

@@Ultimatereloader i thought BAT doesnt have a interchangeable boltface? Am i wrong?... all kno of is the Bighorn TL3 action

[@Ultimatereloader]

@@mryang3644 It does, I show that when I talk about the bolt in this video- the finger joint and removable sleeve means you can detach the front part of the bolt and swap it for another!

[@mryang3644]

Oh nice.thnx

[@MarioMario-tj3go]

Cool video) thanks for your job)

[@Ultimatereloader]

Thanks!

[@MarioMario-tj3go]

@@Ultimatereloader I am from Ukraine)

[@mtnshooter2487]

Reading these guy's posts, 6mm DASHER is so last year ! kidding!

[@55bayou]

Would love to have a 6.5 PRC when I bought my Browning Max X-Bolt Long Range the 6.5 PRC was not available should have passed but loved the rifle and didn't have the patience. Now I have a 6.5. Should have waited !

[@jetthreat5000]

Eh, I was gonna go Dasher for my PRS rifle, but Id take a good look at the 6x47 Lapua. More speed and better barrel life.

[@petersouthernboy6327]

I haven’t seen better barrel life out of my 6x47 Lapua. It’s certainly no better than my peers running 6 Dasher or 6 CM. If anything 6 CM is probably better barrel life.

[@jaredanderson2009]

How much are the actions?

[@whitehedr]

$1700.00. 😱

[@petersouthernboy6327]

$1500 to $2100 depending. Very competitive with the other tier one actions.

[@sicemlonghorns]

I do not understand all the dasher hate. It has been the dominating round in prs and nrl for two full seasons and with this gear chasing crowd that is a remarkable accomplishment. And trust me a lot of the top 25 shooters in this sport shoot it and they would never shoot it if it gave them feeding issues. So can I assume the hate stems from jealousy or wish I had chosen that back in 2018 instead of a 6 creed or what ever else you thought was the cats meow. Besides that it is that round of choice for 600 and 1000 yard benchrest so you guys arguments against it fall flat for the most part when you consider all the records and podium finishes it has brought to people.

[@FullSendPrecision]

Can't beat a BAT.

[@RumblestripDotNet]

Yes but eating a bat is what got us into this current mess!

[@FullSendPrecision]

@@RumblestripDotNet See, the BAT won :)

[@eugenejohnson8635]

What do you think about them AR Rifles Colt

[@tbugher62]

Too bad they are $1500 plus just for the action.

[@PigKiller15]

Dasher?! No Gay Tiger (6mm GT)?

[@RumblestripDotNet]

Was just about to post the same thing. Dasher is soooooooooo 2018. Gay Tiger is the new hotness!

[@jetthreat5000]

Rumblestrip.NET 6x47 Lapua > that 6mmGT

[@RumblestripDotNet]

$1700 for the action?? Ahhhh, sorry, know. I'll take an off the shelf Tikka TAC A1 for the same price.

[@PilotMcbride]

Yep. I was so impressed with the TAC I convinced a mate it was a piece of rubbish so he put a deposit on a 6.5 Swede and I bought his TAC with less than 100 rounds through it.... 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. Told him I'd work on it to fix it up. Haven't touched it yet, 🤣🤣🤣🤣, only needed a decent shooter, 🤣🤣.

[@planeiron241]

good luck

[@k4391]

I wouldn’t take a dozen tikkas over a good custom receiver. Sorry you’d have to run one to understand

[@dtom420]

It’s certainly overkill for a PRS rifle and one reason why it’s not a common action seen on the series. I will also agree with the comments saying ‘you have to shoot one to understand’ because as nice as Tikkas are, a great custom action is definitely nicer. However, there’s some middle ground here; with less expensive actions out there like Curtis or even Bighorn and others. This BAT action allows a change of bolt face which is gaining popularity with the increasing trend toward multi-caliber rifles. Folks with custom rifles are recognizing the advantages of having one rifle that they can shoot multiple calibers out of, like the Accuracy International lineup. Companies like West Texas Ordnance have come out with very simple systems (SwitchLug) to allow barrel swaps at the shooting bench, without the need for a vice. Tikka has a big shortcoming in this regard as they will not sell separate bolts. So, while a SwitchLug can be installed on a Tikka, you’re restricted to shooting calibers with a single case head diameter. It’s all but impossible to find a “spare” Tikka bolt. I love my Tikkas and they are great actions BUT they are still not in the level of a custom action. It boils down to YOUR budget and your intended use. IMO, BAT is still more geared towards bench shooting and the cost is still excessive for a PRS or hunting rifle build. BUT, we like what we like. It’ll certainly make a terrific rifle that’s more than capable of winning the PRS series with the right shooter behind it. If I had a “relationship” with BAT I’d prolly build one to. But, I’ll be sticking with Bighorn, Curtis and Tikka for my hunting, long range, NALRSA and PRS rifles....for now.

[@RumblestripDotNet]

@@dtom420 Logic, intelligence, and thoughtfulness are highly discouraged, if not frowned upon by the internet.

[@JerrBearTactical]

😁👍

[@ashiha13]

I love BAT actions but they definitely are overpriced imo. There are just so many options from people machining to the same tolerances.

[@treece1]

Like who. ?! Gime name and number. I'd buy one.

[@davidorpwood8433]

HI

[@plumbum6558]

Now your talking !

[@jwhoa1733]

Jesus i have sako actions that cost less than half

[@jerrywhite4497]

Bought an L579 Sako action in 1987 for $260....... should have bought five. The American dollar is so devalued.

[@ZERO_42069]

Jerry White $260 in 87 is around $580 ish dollars today, which still ain’t bad