Batman: Arkham Knight | Wasted Plotential

[@genericstickman5967]

I feel like the only reason Scarecrow was chosen as the main antagonist was so that they could bring Joker back somehow

[@SCF721]

Generic stickman that's literally it. He's a device for them to force Joker down our throats even more. Every scene where Scarecrow and Batman are face to face it ends with Joker essentially hogging the spotlight and Scarecrow gets pushed aside. I love Joker but they need to give other villains their time to shine.

[@joedinnie3079]

Mr Grape Soda Paul Dinis version of Arkham Knight was having Hush and Scarecrow work together so scarecrow was always planned as the main antagonist and not just a plot device

[@Aibadenshi]

I thought he was there to cure the joker. Like batman know he will eventually turn into the joker, so he planned his capture so he can be injected with the fear toxic to cure the jokerize batman. It's a using poison to cure poison scenario. Also I feel like they written this screen first and then just do anything vastly so the 2 point could connect.

[@SCF721]

Monsieur Bongo I know that but how the story utilizes him he's more like a plot device than anything.

[@camm5981]

Yeah and the only reason Tim was with Barbra was because they knew a Robin was with her, but they didn’t care to look up which one. I’m not even joking

[@degayify]

I knew the Arkham Knight was Jason Todd before I was even born.

[@dahakaguardianofthetimelin4780]

My younger brother knew Jason Todd was the Arkham Knight while I didn't even exist and I had a blindfold on the whole time

[@mr.funnyman9765]

@@dahakaguardianofthetimelin4780 And you weren't even trying

[@dahakaguardianofthetimelin4780]

@@mr.funnyman9765 Didn't even have my X-Factor on

[@Zhello79]

Everyone knew it was Jason. Who else taunts Bruce by calling him Old Man

[@isaiahqjones2991]

I knew Arkham Knight was Jason Todd when they announced Red Hood was going to be a dlc

[@Sweetestsadist]

I remember the devs trying their hardest to keep the identity of the Arkham Knight as this major secret and thinking, "The only way they can screw this up is if it's Jason Todd."

[@Chewin90]

What's worse, they openly stated that Arkham Knight is not Jason Todd but an original character. Yeah... turns out that was a lie

[@shouneniz2228]

@@Chewin90 lmfaoo especially when they announced red hood as dlc 😂 to be honest they should've made the trailers about scarecrow more, and then tease the arkham knight at the end

[@Kelz91]

Chewin3 well technically the Arkham Knight is an original character but yeah I called it being Jason Todd the moment he said “We know how you think” to Batman

[@dabossman5650]

@@Chewin90 They said the Arkham Knight was an original character-cosJaons never used dat alias b4

[@blacklivesorblackvotes2985]

@@Kelz91 but he isn’t an original character. It’s still Jason Todd. If it was someone else entirely it would’ve made more sense.

[@gageanthony3478]

It bothers me how much Jason is butchered. In AK he’s just an angry milita leader. He’s not the troubled vigilante who believes violence could save Gotham.

[@ryanmcconnell9609]

Gage Anthony except for the part where at the end in AK he becomes a troubled vigilante who believes violence could save Gotham

[@skxlter5747]

It's a different Jason Todd, remember it's not part of the main DC continuity it's a different Jason Todd

[@tayojones9460]

Jason is still rubbish regardless of continuity.

[@1ULTRAKNIGHT]

Especially since this game came out 5 years after the sublime Under The Red Hood movie.

[@zedgovos4914]

@@tayojones9460 Talking mad shit for someone in Fear Takedown range.

[@denisnedelcu9034]

From what i've heard Paul dini's plot was to have Hush and Scarecrow as the main antagonists, and azrael was supposed to be allied with batman but i guess they made him into a side mission, but rocksteady didnt like this story so Paul dini left and now we have the train wreck of this story, and the batmobile was there just to be there.

[@swaggysmoove5721]

So really they half assed this game and it was still pretty good!

[@denisnedelcu9034]

@@swaggysmoove5721 gameplay was epic, story was ok, i guess

[@barthomero721]

I don't know how can you be so stupid to say no to arguably the best Batman writer!, none of his histories are controversial nor bad, why ditch him?

[@RadinV1]

The Paul dini story sounds awesome. Fuck you rocksteady.

[@ginge641]

@@barthomero721 Was he not responsible for Arkham City's abysmal plot?

[@NaraShikamaru21]

1. Of course we want a wasted potential on Tim and Dick. 2. The shade at "teen lantern" 🤮 was phenomenal.

[@monarch6662]

RobotRumble teen lantern was a great concept I haven’t read any comic with her yet but it sounds like she’s a good character

[@Rayner921]

lilcottonfield theashtray She’s great but you haven’t picked up a book on her? You sound stupid as fuck

[@tayojones9460]

Just because someone hasn't picked up a comic book but is interested in the character does not make them stupid.

[@Rayner921]

@@tayojones9460 It clearly does, because it's the same people out there calling for diversity in comic book movies but haven't picked up a comic book.

[@monarch6662]

antoine browne I said her concept was great as in the idea of a teenager green lantern

[@arcanefury3666]

When I heard that the Arkham Knight was going to be a new character, I genuinely thought it wasn't going to be Jason. I thought," Nah it can't be Jason its way too obvious to be Jason." I kept denying it being Jason even after all the evidence pointed to it being Jason. I had way too much hope

[@The4thSnake]

Same. But when Troy starts speaking, you just can't deny it anymore.

[@giovannigiovanni.7220]

@@The4thSnake I mean Arkham Knight is a new character, it's just the person inside it is not. Also I do want that Tim Robin video.

[@udhsids]

same

[@billygreci9739]

@Mad Max Rockatansky If the hallucination about Joker shooting Barbara's spine wasn't in the game, I would've considered the Jason scenes a major spoiler. But since the Killing Joke scene did happen, the Jason scenes felt more like added reminders about the risks of Batman having allies.

[@trevorphilips9065]

@Mad Max Rockatansky So you knew Barbara was alive the whole time

[@dahakaguardianofthetimelin4780]

Jason Todd: "Is that what you think this is about? That you let me die? I don't know what clouds your judgement worse, your guilt or your antiquated sense of morality. Bruce, I forgive you for not saving me. But why... why on God's earth...is he still alive?!" Batman: "He's... Not... He died like... Almost a year ago. Harley's been on a spree, it's kind of a big deal. I walked out of the Theatre with his corpse in my hands." Jason Todd: "Well... Then... How come you didn't kill him with a crowbar and blow him up!?!" Game of the Year material right there!!

[@bjornervig3795]

Would've made more sense to have Red Hood in Arkham City trying to kill Joker. Prometheus or Hush should've been Arkham Knight? Damian Wayne or Talia Al Ghul, Cassandra Cain former Batgirl, or Shiva could've been in game.

[@kalebbarber2527]

@@bjornervig3795 yeah, I feel like the best route would have been making Red Hood a significant part of Arkham City, with an Under The Red Hood storyline, probably somewhat adapted to fit the Arkhamverse, being a big thing in the story. It could also lead to the cure situation, but with Jason involved, with Joker fearing that Jason's questioning of Batman's morals would result in him not getting the cure, so he would still end up inadvertently killing himself out of doubt. But yeah, Prometheus and Hush both would have been better options for The Arkham Knight if Jason Todd's part in the story was different, as both are actually characters that would be willing to destroy Gotham City and attempt to completely shatter Batman's psyche alongside Scarecrow, whereas that was way out of character for Jason Todd. He may use violent and murderous methods, but he has morals and heroic intentions. The Hush thing would also work especially well if they weren't planning to make Arkham Knight a finale, as they could have done something involving using Hush's identical appearance to Bruce Wayne as a way to pass off the reveal of Batman's identity as some kind of decoy situation. Of course, that would require somehow either convincingly putting Hush in Batman's place or maybe someone conveniently seeing Hush somewhere else at the time the unmasking was being broadcast, which would cause skepticism in some way or another. I'm sure they could have found a way to write it in a way that it would have made sense. They just kind of didn't. Which is a shame when it comes to Hush too, his inclusion in Arkham Knight was far too minimal

[@coryrobinson6035]

Actually, if you go to the Arkham wiki fandom for Jason Todd, it talks about what happened during the Arkham City Incident. Here's what is says in the following:Arkham City Incident"Jason watched Batman and Joker (though it was actually Clayface who posed as a healthy Joker.) He was then approached by the real (and sickly) Joker himself. After he struck a conversation with his old victim, Joker revealed his continued partnership with DeathStroke, instructed the assassin to aid Jason's quest for revenge, reinforced the young man's distorted perception of Batman abandoning him, and encouraged him to ensure that he became a more well-known figure in Gotham as the Arkham Knight. While Jason brutally beat Joker and made an attempt on his life in retribution for what he did to him years ago, he decided not to, the Joker informed him that he had high hopes for the young man's plans against Batman and Gotham."It pretty much explains why Joker looks a lot worse when you see him again, the moment he shot Talia in the back (literally). But it overall shows how stupid Jason's motive is in Arkham Knight. Even Barbara asked Jason why he was doing what he's doing, now that Joker's dead in one of the tapes you unlock from the amount of Riddler trophies you've collected. Here's the link: arkhamcity.fandom.com/wiki/Jason_ToddI also had to fix some of the grammars that they didn't bother to spell check.

[@kalebbarber2527]

@@coryrobinson6035 after reading that, I do have a much better understanding of how Jason's part in Arkham Knight came to be. Even then, it still all doesn't really make sense. Jason Todd isn't what the Arkham series makes him out to be, not in the slightest. He may target Batman specifically, but he was willing to stand alongside Scarecrow despite his plan to unleash fear toxin on the entirety of Gotham City, he directly allied with a multitude of villains, and also, there is absolutely no way, no matter how much torture he went through, that Jason would spare The Joker's life if he had the chance to kill him. In Under The Red Hood, he had to be forcibly stopped by Batman. It literally makes no sense that he'd have mercy on The Joker and yet try to destroy both Batman and Gotham City itself. Hell, that wiki even says he's apathetic towards the people Batman protects, people that he sees as weak. I mean, I understand slight character adjustments to fit certain continuities, but that literally just isn't Jason Todd at all.

[@coryrobinson6035]

Kaleb Barber I agree. I feel like Rocksteady didn’t fully understand the Robin character. Just like how Snyder didn’t understand Batman for his movie. Like Tim and Barbara being a couple in this universe really annoyed the hell out of me. It was always her and Dick, her being with Tim is weird since that’s technically Dick’s little brother. I know some youtubers finds it cute, but that’s only cuz they haven’t read the comics and don’t know more of each character’s relationship with one another then the basics.

[@Don11037]

I really wish Barbara was more of a major character

[@cameronjohnson9361]

11037 subs no videos? gambler just pick a bat guy and stick with him don't switch love interest in every media forever team dick…pause

[@CoOlKyUbI96]

The sub plot with keeping her double live from her father felt so forced and out of no where. Not to mention predictable. She never referenced or hinted at keeping secrets from her father in the previous games, but is now all of sudden worried? That definitely would not be relevant later in the story at all

[@zoisantonopoulos7999]

@@CoOlKyUbI96 so it's both out of nowhere and predictable at the same time ?

[@CoOlKyUbI96]

@@zoisantonopoulos7999 Yeah. Although there might be a misunderstanding. I don't mean that the specific moment itself was both out of no where and predictable. The moment she said she felt bad about lying to her dad was out of no where since Babara never once brings up the subject in previous Arkham games. However it became predictable (at least to me) when she repeated her worry back at the clock tower

[@yohschannel5226]

@@CoOlKyUbI96 The moment when she said she felt bad about lying to her dad, she's reffering to stay in Gotham after the Evacuation.

[@TengokuEXE]

Hush as the Arkham Knight publicly unmasking himself as Bruce Wayne would have been brilliant!

[@ginge641]

My idea for a rewrite was to have three main villains that each challenge Bruce in a specific way. Knight counters his combat and stealth advantage. He supplements any combat weakness with advanced tech that only upgrades as the game progresses while Bruce struggles to keep up because of another villain. Deathstroke style combat encounters. Not Jason. Hush takes his identity when he's active as Batman. The transition is seamless and barely registered by security tech. He limits Bruce's ability to act as himself during the day, forcing him to be creative. He cuts him off from all his resources and Bruce is forced to use more inventive solutions. Getting access to new tech requires sneaking into Wayne buildings, so we actually see the security that is constantly mentioned yet never shown in Knight. Scarecrow takes away his psychological advantage. He partially works against his own MO, by helping remove fear of Batman with the actions of the others, then supplanting it with new fear (the Knight allows him these indulgences to keep him in line). No more bullshit cutscenes. Arkham Knight twist could have more impact if it's someone who was here the whole time but was never a suspect. Irony, as who would expect Bruce Wayne to secretly be a crazy man in a batsuit who beats people up for fun?

[@titangamerhd9215]

YESSSSSSS OMG PERFECT

[@logannottheonefrommarvel9917]

And if it wasn't an already established character as the Knight, my go to would be Thomas Wayne Jr. the estranged possible brother of Bruce who appeared in Scott Snyder's City of Owls storyline.

[@samthompson7856]

I think that for vast amount of reasons anarchy would be the perfect identity for Arkham Knight

[@ginge641]

@@samthompson7856 The whiny little bitch from an Origins side mission? Yeah, no.

[@megaham1552]

I would have made the knight a new character

[@silverblade357]

I remember the promotional interviews being all like, "The Arkham Knight is a totally original character created for this game. You will never guess their true identity and the reveal will shock you!"

[@johannesseyfried7933]

I remember that too, and actually fell for it at first. "A new, dangerous Villain who reallt challenges Batman. That sounds awesome!" But then I remembered Red Hood....

[@javontemorant4701]

What triggered me is technically Batman is a little out of character in this game. Batman is saying through out the entire game that he doesn't need help not even from Nightwing and Robin. Yes it is Batman not to be a team player but If anyone reads detective comics, they know that even Batman knows when needs his Bat family on his side when it comes to the entire city of Gotham under danger.

[@TheInfiniteAmo]

So we really just gonna pretend like Prometheus wasn't being set up as an Arkhamverse villain since Asylum?

[@frogglen6350]

He was irrelevant in every other arkham game, so yes. I just pretend he died at some point between origins and knight. Lmao

[@adrianramirez8882]

Wasted Plotential...sounds like my life!

[@joedinnie3079]

fanfiction your profile pic says it all

[@truthbetold9092]

Why?

[@pusymagnet2576]

Same here.

[@caboosed]

Nobody: Edgy kids: wAsTeD pLoTeNtIaL sOuNdS liKe mY liFe

[@adrianramirez8882]

@@caboosed Go away Dad!!!!!!

[@skxlter5747]

The dlcs should've been an hour long stories, Nightwing has so much potential to have his own game same for red hood

[@cryojudgement2376]

The red hood DLC is literally 3 challenge maps but with a story

[@nobody2996]

You know what would have been good as the villain of the Knight game, if we want to go with the series being about Batman and the Joker's relationship, how about... We keep the storyline of Batman being infected and slowly turning into the Joker, despite how little sense that makes, except we use that to put HIM in the villain position and thus for the final game we play as the Batfamily fighting to cure Bruce as he turns the city upside down. Storywise, this ties in with the idea of Batman and joker's relationship by having an almost destined idea of there always having to be a Joker for Batman to fight, it lets us explore the Batfamily more outside of cameos as Batman's legacy (they wanted this to game to feel like Batman's final night, so having so little interaction with his actual legacy felt so off to me) and just the general opportunity for this fucked up scenario where you have to take down the guy you've been playing this entire trilogy. From a gameplay perspective it opens a lot of creative avenues as Bats could really fuck with you as you're now basically the student fighting the master with a lot of hype surrounding his boss fight which could be Mr Freeze on steroids and far more deadly. A surreal and horror themed fight of playing cat and mouse with the big B-man himself. You'd get segments where you play as Bruce in his mind fighting the infection as Joker commentates and exploring different impactful moments of Joker and Batman's history outside of what we've already been shown.

[@nobody2996]

@@adekaiwamisou For the Batman battle, imagine A predator VS Predator fight across the entire city.

[@nobody2996]

@@adekaiwamisou Way I'd do it is, like the Freeze fight, you can only use each method once. Throughout the fight, you'll be switching between bat family members to collectively back each other up whenever Bats sets his sights on you, you want to avoid letting them get too far from each other but that sort of play makes him less likely to slip up, scouting out and disabling traps set by Bats to catch you out and trying to trick him into revealing himself through bait and/or exploiting the mechanics. It would be a risk reward scenario where taking away his advantages takes away yours as well, maybe one method can be to slowly block off parts of the city to force him into a smaller surface area, but this also makes him more dangerous since it gives him easier access to you. It's a fight about out manuvering the Batman and, as the games have taught you by this point, a true test of how you can jump into different playstyles and adapt to keep the Dark Knight off his rhythm (Batman is known to be at his most vulnerable when you don't give him time to focus or think)/ Agressive tactics push him to react, but put you at risk while a more defensive style makes him more secretive and methodical and quick run-and-gun style makes him more likely to try and trip you up with traps. It's a battle of wits and controling the enviorment.

[@dilloon7626]

How would fighting Mr freeze make sense since Batman helped him get his wife back pretty much him and freeze are cool now 🥶

[@nobody2996]

@@dilloon7626 Huh?

[@dilloon7626]

Kanassa you know in city him and freeze are not enemies anymore

[@Zhello79]

Anyone can tell it was Jason Calling Batman Old Man and knowing exactly what he is going to do was a dead giveaway before the game was released lol

[@zestyz2045]

Omg your Bat Family idea is pretty AWESOME. That would've been a awesome way to do things, please do a wasted potential for the storylines it'd be really good

[@Wright805]

I second that!

[@dabossman5650]

@WayneFTW Hopefully

[@williamfrank962]

What I like the most about this KZbinr in particular is his ideas. They are genuinely thought and out and sound interesting to the point I much prefer his ideas than that of the originals by a mile. He also keeps many of the main themes of the original concept and structure to the stories he’s alternating which I always like because it more challenging to write ideas instead of just wiping out everything.

[@Need_Sleep240]

I think the biggest detriment to the game’s story was getting rid of Dini. Asylum’s story is pretty much prefect(aside from that last boss fight) and aside from a few gripes with City’s story, I really enjoyed it. So im just really left scratching my head as to why they wouldn’t have him write the final game in the trilogy.

[@unknownuser8967]

@Emerald Hawk On the contrary, I think Arkham City was better than Arkham Knight. Instead Arkham Knight feels like they have no idea what they're doing. Instead, they mesh Paul Dini's idea and add in Joker just to play it safe, but having no significance role in the main story aside from being comic relief for Batman. And of course the twist is that AK is Jason. I think getting rid of Paul Dini while he has the vision and story was a mistake.

[@trevorphilips9065]

@@unknownuser8967 Pal City doesn't even have development Origins and Knight are about the only Batman games that have an actual Story that has development

[@unknownuser8967]

@@trevorphilips9065 ok pal, I have to disagree since it's very opinionated and our opinions are on opposite sides and very hard to argue. However, I think Origin's story suffer due to the future canon already established by Rocksteady's games, leaving litte room to grow. While AK has litte build up from the previous games (Jason only mentioned once, he come outta nowhere, and very predictable mystery who is AK). Meanwhile AC was a very obvious build up from previous story, not to mention already hinted at Arkham Asylum. I say it's a clear development from the previous story, and superior compared to it's succesors games.

[@trevorphilips9065]

@@unknownuser8967 But that's the thing Origins actually shows us how twisted Batman and Joker's relationship is and not sure if you noticed but these Arkham games have mostly been about Bats and Joker without that there's really nothing sure there's other villains but they don't shine like Joker does he even has his own movie

[@trevorphilips9065]

@@unknownuser8967 But that's not development Batman learned shit in those 2 games

[@DimitrisGenn]

You know, regarding Jason, I think the "he was brainwashed into hating Batman instead of being killed" is an interesting alternate take and it could be great, but they handled so bad. Apparently one punch and an "I'm sorry" from Batman is all it takes for someone to get over the trauma he got from year-long physical and psychological torture.

[@evanrailman7898]

He's not over it. He's clearly still troubled It was more nuanced than that. In the 'bossfight' with Jason, you literally do not hit him at all.That Batman could, but chose not to violently engage him is what gets through to Jason. I guess the good inside him overcame the year of brainwashing/torture when he finally was proven wrong about Batman "not saving the innocent and just punishing the guilty".

[@marveldcmaaz]

@@evanrailman7898 That's hardly enough for a satisfying story. Jason was not fleshed out at all, not even in his own post-game DLC. We got like 5 minutes worth of actual character development from him, his entire storyline was rushed and secondary to Scarecrow and more Joker stuff

[@Xehanort10]

Hell in the DCAU it took Tim Drake years of therapy to get back to normal after what Joker did to him.

[@treelicker2145]

I wish that the Arkham Knight was Damian Wayne, it wouldve made much more sense as he would have an actual background. Wanting revenge against batman for letting his mother (Talia al Ghul) being killed by the Joker in Arkham City. In Arkham City, Talia referenced at least twice from memory that they had intercourse and when it was referenced, Talia made it sound like it was a very long time ago, which wouldve fit in perfect with Arkham Knight as Damian would be (at least) near adulthood, it would also give Damians character a twist as he was the most recent Robin (that I can think of). It also wouldve set up very nicely for the next Arkham game which is pretty much confirmed. In Arkham Knight Batman convinces Damian to let go of his anger, then he activates Nightfall protocol, and then the next game we could play as Damian. Damian is by far my favorite character from Batmans series so dont mind this long ass comment xD

[@MChedderbeef]

Tree Licker Honestly halfway through the game I legitimately thought it was going to be Damian, either naturally aged or force-grown or whatever. The Knight constantly references things he shouldn’t know anything about. How would Jason even know about Talia? They never cover it. The developers said that the Knight was a brand new character that Batman has never met in this continuity. They could’ve easily used Damian, considering there are only three Robin’s at the time, and clearly Bruce shows no knowledge of Damian’s existence. If they had kept Jason in the game as the Red Hood and had him work with the rest of the Batfamily, that would’ve helped up the mystery, since we would now be able to confirm that the Knight clearly isn’t Jason. I really think that Paul Dini would’ve been able to tie the story together in a much better way.

[@shouneniz2228]

A game about damian wayne would be good, but i think the next arkham game is set in the past, like between origin and asylum

[@treelicker2145]

@@shouneniz2228 Thats an interesting idea, what makes you say that?

[@shouneniz2228]

@@treelicker2145 rumors say this, because the next game is going to be from WB montreal who worked on origins, and the team is teasing the court of owls to be in the game, i personally never read the court of owls and im reading it today to kind of get the story and see if the game will be awesome or not

[@treelicker2145]

@@shouneniz2228 I knew about the court of owls and WB Montreal making it, but what makes you say that its in between Origins and Asylum?

[@scavengerace]

Honestly, I was hoping the Knight would have been an AI copy of Hugo Strange, created sometime before the events of Arkham City. There are interview tapes in AC were the Riddler implies that Hugo has his own Batman suit that he keeps hidden away. Strange could have known that Ra's was going to betray him, so installed a copy of himself into that suit to carry out a different plan to defeat Batman and take his place, as Strange has tried to do multiple times in the comics. It would give us the chance to actually fight Hugo instead of being denied like in City, and finally give us a Batman-v-Batman boss fight. His team up with Scarecrow could have been a little bit of foreshadowing towards this: in the comics, Strange had created something similar to Scarecrow's Fear Toxin called Fear Dust long before Crane did.

[@propioneer6339]

Amazing, I love this idea

[@sarafontanini7051]

honestly Arham City shou;d've just had Strange act as a boss fight wearing his batsuit while using some robots as backup but no he gets stabbed in a cutscene and abrely had any presence as the main villain because the focus was on Joker

[@noahtroutman4787]

I was in denial as to the identity of the Arkham Knight for basically the whole game. I figured that, while Jason Todd would tie into the story somehow in a clever way, it was too obvious to be the actual twist that they were going to go for, and that the actual Knight's identity was going to be something we didn't see coming due to Jason being a red herring.

[@BonzerMrT]

i remember all the hype the developers were trying to put on the AK by saying it was a completely original character and something never seen before. But everyone already was guessing Todd before the game came out.

[@andreyv.vieira521]

He should´ve been Alfred tho.

[@postboypiccolo1716]

Andrey V. Vieira On everything

[@pious83]

I think what the main problem came down to, was they have painted themselves into a corner killing Joker at the end of City _and_ having to still make one more sequel. From a story perspective, no one else had been naturally built up in Arkham City to fill that Lead Antagonist role. Kind of like Palapatine being resurrected in Star Wars, after a different writer killed off his contemporary replacement in the last film. Solid reinvention ideas, as usual.

[@The4thSnake]

That's a really good comparison. I guess you shouldn't kill of Mark Hamill in the second part of the trilogy.

[@TheSoundSpell]

At the beginning of the Game, I thought the AK might be Damian, given the Arkham Series has its own Timeline, but after seeing AK using Handguns it wasn’t even a Question anymore. Actually, it wasn’t a Question from the beginning, my Mind just didn’t want do accept Rocksteady was going the laziest Route possible.

[@nightwishfan1991]

I was so mad about the Arkham Knight reveal. When I heard he was a new character written by Geoff Johns I was beyond excited because I love Johns's work. So throughout the game I was trying to figure out who he was and how he tied into the Arkham mythology. Because he was suppose to be a new character it never crossed my mind on him being Jason Todd. And then when he took the helmet of that horror set in and I was like "oh god it's Jason isn't it." I was so mad I put the controller down and walked away for 10 minutes. I was so pissed. I felt so cheated.

[@SerbTerm]

I know it's been two years but I agree a little. Plus the funny thing is how Pussy the Arkham Knight is cause he always says "Batman Dies Tonight, "You will pay for Everything", "I want Batman to Die" but Anytime you see him face to face or in Combat he runs away like a "Coward". Because Jason still has that mindset Knowing who Bruce Wayne is and knows the abilities Batman has so he probably didn't want to fight cause he was afraid of him still of how powerful that Old Man is and didn't want to be embarrassed to Scarecrow or his army

[@darkstrike8064]

The ending is logistically stupid. Batman, the escape artist, doesn't keep ALL of his gear in his utility belt. He keeps lockpicks and stuff around his suit. He should've been able to escape.

[@joyusstudios]

Even if Batman had no lock picks or anything else on his suit, he still wouldn't be incapable of breaking out of a gurney, table, or whatever its called. And the worst thing is, just before he's brought back to Arkham. We see the van he was being carried in opens, and Scarecrow walks over to it, then we see a scene of him being strapped to the gurney. That means that he literally gave Scarecrow the opportunity to strap him there.

[@rjdujon3320]

PRIMEgaming so basically Batman flat out just gives up

[@rjdujon3320]

PRIMEgaming the master escape artist cant escape a fucking gurney

[@machine1685]

@@rjdujon3320 I'm convinced that DC forgot or wants to forget about any training that Bruce has done that isn't directly related to combat. Even his detective skills are largely done by his computer and cowl in this game.

[@rjdujon3320]

x CEGold sad but true I always thought Batman’s Detective skills and intelligence were just as important as his fighting prowess. Damn shame

[@icemanlj2k7]

I figured out it was Jason before the game even came out when they announced a Red Hood DLC pack. Why would Red Hood be in the game if Jason wasn’t in the game somehow? They gave away their main twist before the game even dropped

[@Contra_Mundum]

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[@gyroshard00forever20]

The fact that these two were the main antagonists was weak. What got to me the most frustrating to me at least is with the plot of jokers blood chaging the victims into another joker instead of killing them like joker did as it was joker died which was convluted and of left field. GodzillaMendoza did a video video on the store of the Joker and his blood being instantly changed out of nowhere.

[@giovannigiovanni.7220]

Joker is still alive in my book.

[@sarafontanini7051]

what I would've done was have Scarecrow's fear gas (possibily a new strain strengthened by a surviving sample of Titan) be responsible for this...if t all. we could've easily not had this sideplot at all.

[@rinzler1801]

The whole joker blood thing is so fucking stupid. I hate it more than the Jason "reveal"

[@musicmodjoe2139]

Arkham Knight, similarly to Injustice 1, tries to rework stories that, in my opinion, were conveyed better in their DCAU counterparts. AK takes inspiration from Jason of under the red hood (as referenced to by the user DAHAKA, GUARDIAN OF THE TIMELINE), while Injustice takes its inspiration for regime superman from Lord Superman in JL's A better world. With that said, something was missing with AK and I1. That being the different situation for our characters of origin (as you've discussed here and in your Injustice videos). AK Jason tries to convey the emotional struggles of UTRH Jason, just as Regime Superman tries to convey the internal philosophical change that Lord Superman had. Both games try to take the original portrayals of Jason and Superman with slight changes in backstory, without looking into the different backgrounds that each character and media setting offers us. Both Mediums of origin may serve as a reference point but cannot function without their specific context, as we can see in the writing of their inspired portrayals.

[@sarafontanini7051]

Hush being the knight is SUCH a brilliant idea

[@CB0Otz]

Damn, that's a way better AK storyline. Having Bruce fake his death so he could be with Selina peacefully is a perfect nod to the Nolanverse.

[@bainbonic]

Main villain shouldn't have been Scarecrow or Jason Todd, it should have been CALENDAR MAN! He was the reason Batman made the Knightfall protocol, and let's face it, *nobody* would have seen the twist that the Knight was Calendar Man coming.

[@christianchappell4193]

Calendar man sucks

[@RadinV1]

*THE FOOKING CALENDAR MAN!*

[@titangamerhd9215]

should of been hush

[@JarvisBaileyVA]

I honestly hate how all these Batman villains blame Batman for shit that isn't even his fault. Riddler wants to see Batman humiliated, Harley blames Batman for Joker's death, Joker fucking blames Batman for having fucked himself up with the Titan.

[@reddragon0624]

Honestly should’ve been Scarecrow and Hush as the antagonists

[@GiubileiFernando]

I see no one mentioning the possibility of the Arkham Knight being Damian Wayne looking for revenge for his mothers death.

[@akirafudo5268]

That would have been good, but too deep for the idiots who made this game. AK being Damian Wayne would be ideal, with his mentor being DeathStroke/Slade. Hence all the technical gear. Blaming Batman for his mother's death would have been far more believable. And the whole AK being Jason Todd could have been deliberate misdirect by AK himself. Also, AK should have a sword as well as guns. A fight between Batman vs AK and DeathStroke would have been epic.

[@GiubileiFernando]

@@akirafudo5268 Exactly! It also adds to the tragic ending to have Batman fight his son, he could get to see Bruce's point of view by the end and get betrayed by Deathstroke, then they have a father-son fight against him and Bruce passes Damian the mantle. Maybe have Bruce die protecting him.

[@feroxfire4128]

I thought the exact same leading up to it’s release

[@zeroskaterz92]

It sounds too good to be true but we all know that it's still going to be a tank battle no matter what. lol

[@thebatman68]

Batman has nothing to do with his mother's death

[@thebessienessie836]

having Hush be the Arkham Knight is actually genius

[@SILK97]

If I could add one more twist to the plot, I’d love to see Harley start as a key player in the Arkham Knight’s group of villains. And towards the end when the Knight has Batman dead to rights, some event finally drives Harley to the realization that she should be protecting Batman because he is the world’s last connection to her late lover. It’s crazy to me that both Batman and Harley both seem to be spiraling because of Joker’s absence, and there’s no reference to that in the game. Making her an ally of Batman late in the game could be the thing that turns the tide in Batman’s favor

[@captainbeastwinger4940]

And Barbara getting a cure is something i wanted

[@dcmarvelcomicfans9458]

Me too

[@alexboggs6416]

I just wish the writers for these games knew the characters they write for. Jason isn't supposed to be a child who is hell bent beyond reason to kill Batman. Under the Redhood is my bible on how Redhood should act. He is to never subject innocents to danger, he is to always finish those who refuse to reform, and he is supposed to be the pragmatic and sarcastic mirror to Bruce.

[@demonblade001]

I would have had the Knight be Damian Wayne. He has the League of assassin's (the soldier variety) while not knowing if Ras Al Ghul was alive. His vendetta would be over his mother's death, also why he would know so much about Bruce/Batman and the bat family. He would have lost everything, wanting to take everything from Bruce for letting his family die doing a reverse on what is usually Batman's thing compounding his guilt from Arkham City. They could even give the dlc Ras mission a little moment where he warns Batman about what is to come.

[@highlightermarca-texto3281]

I'm pretty sure it was leaked that Paul Dini originally intended for the final game to have Scarecrow and Hush working together, with Hush essentially being the Arkham Knight and knowing Batman's identity.

[@redpandarampage2191]

The plot was a big mess. As a big Scarecrow fan who was hyped for his return, it was a shame to see him overshadowed by Jason, who is in turn overshadowed by Joker. Hush and Scarecrow should've been the main villains.

[@jaycr0ss292]

It would’ve been cooler if Arkham Knight was Damian Wayne. Motivated by being abandoned by his father and his betrayal to the league of assassins. Still have him be a military leader but more of a ninja. Have him be cold and calm instead of an angry teen. Then have him become more angry and unhinged towards the end. But apparently that idea made too much sense.

[@Devil-Trigger]

thank you so much for touching upon the hush subplot! my most disappointing thing about the series was that that plotline went nowhere

[@youtube_commenter04]

Your ideas for a potential Arkham Knight are really cool and would honestly make it not just a better conclusion but also a better game in general. Especially the conundrum of Batman doing everything on his own. Making the Bat Family playable and them having their own side plots would've been awesome. If only it would've ended like this. I would also love a Wasted Potential video on the Bat Family in Arkham Knight. Also, sorry for being late but Happy Birthday. Hopefully, you're presents were as great as this one is to us.

[@TheTsukuyomiLight]

Remember when they said the Arkham Knight was going to be a completely original character? And that we were all excited for that? And then that moment...about ten seconds into the Arkham Knight's dialogue, most of us were all "That's fucking Jason Todd..."

[@zachryder3150]

13:34-13:41 is such a fucking based comment and was so unexpected

[@milestrombley1466]

The game was fun and addictive, but the story is weak and predictable.

[@fanfictionronweasley290]

I think Damien Wayne should’ve been the Arkham Knight & Hush being the other main antagonist instead of scarecrow!

[@captainbeastwinger4940]

And yeah i Prefer the idea of Jason being a Assassin it makes Sense how he has An armory thé resources and thé money ras is rich and Jason couldve done deals with deathstroke or militairy

[@RadinV1]

Jason wasn't even an assassin here you moron. Also your English is fucking terrible.

[@nikolasfaraday9934]

Thank you I was really disappointed with the way whole Arkham-verse ended. They had the opportunity to give old Batman stories a new twist but in the end all they managed to do was circle around and do an epic face-plant in my opinion. I would really love to see more Wasted Potential about Batman & Co since I think you only scratched the surface on how much was wasted.

[@magmovies9323]

Omg yes! The more people who call out this game for the missed opportunity it is, the happier I am! Still, I'll always have a love/ hate for this game.

[@RadinV1]

Same. The story sucks.

[@rinzler1801]

Fun gameplay, shitty story

[@mikebartkovich197]

I was really disappointed that prometheus never made an appearance despite the little Easter eggs. It would have been really cool for him to have a story roll and gameplay along the lines of deathstroke, azrael, and red hood

[@albertocarlosjunior]

Arkham Knight should have been Damian "Wayne" seeking revenge against Batman because the death of Talia and Ra's in the Arkham City ending.

[@owenapplegate374]

Happy birthday to you, happy birthday to y- This comment has been removed due to copyright

[@beavers1978]

6:37 Never made sense to me either. Then again, it could've been worse. Looking at you, DCAU.

[@nightwolf9375]

All these years later and I still love the arkham knight’s design, I wish that it would appear in more games.

[@shadowstrike234]

Bruh Hush as Arkham Knight is literally PERFECT

[@k21skyrecklessambition47]

Three words, that drove every player crazy, another tank battle 🤬

[@hackfraudfilms]

Now this is a fucking plot I'd be invested in, seriously good job mate

[@TheJoker-qo4fg]

In my ideal story the Arkham Knight is a 16 years old Damian Wayne who knows about bruce thanks to Talia and is looking for revenge against Batman

[@rhysmag6723]

Is any one also uncomfortable with Tim and babs being a couple?

[@theitfactorjameswheezer2852]

Drive Check. But she’s like way older than him. In fact when he was 15 she was like 26 that’s bordering on pedophilia

[@T4751001]

Very uncomfortable Then again not having Paul Dini around let Bruce Timm do his BrucexBabs porn in DCAU, Beyond and the Killing Joke movie

[@turboDrowsy]

@@T4751001 That’s Bruce Timm, not Paul Dini.

[@TOAOM123]

Did i think it was jason Todd? Yes But No Because the guys at rocksteady INSISTED it was a new character

[@akirafudo5268]

It's called lying.

[@TOAOM123]

@@akirafudo5268 Oh really? /s

[@RadinV1]

I knew they were liars.

[@adeel-eh7xq]

I could only play this game once. The second playthrough bored me due to the annoying batmobile missions. I've played City so many times and never get bored.

[@shubo4478]

Happy Birthday kiddo (Hands over like) You need it more than I do only alphas get the reference

[@dragonknightkx]

I'm not Alpha, I am Omega.

[@johnthalongcak8799]

@@dragonknightkx im an omega too.their can only be one lets battle

[@dragonknightkx]

@@johnthalongcak8799 (unsheaths claymore) Bring it, Highlander!

[@yoshinpixels9924]

YES You CAN You can take this like from me God's sake it's not much, now take it

[@sassoverlord1932]

Yoshin Pixels and don’t you dare leave it here...

[@wdcain1]

Love the idea of Hush ruining Bruce's reputation by "unmasking" on TV. Since so many CEO's in DC have become super-villains (Lex Luthor, Simon Stagg, and Veronica Cale) it shouldn't surprise that many. Also Barbara becoming a Joker makes me recall Duela Dent from the Ame-Comi comics. Instead Joker's blood, I would make it the product of Hugo Strange's Protocol 11 as the ultimate revenge on Batman (Strange has super-science to do it). But I'd change so much that maybe I should make an essay of my own to list them.

[@richardbarrett4488]

Imagine this: Batman actually caves in into the jokerize Batman. You take control of Jason and after saving Nightwing from Scarecrow. Nightwing stops Jason from killing almost Batman after he almost kills Alfred. Ehhhh y’all finish the rest

[@TheJoker-qo4fg]

richard barrett and then they lock up batman and Nightwing becomes the second Batman

[@dabossman5650]

Prefer dat he didnt-ion think batman would

[@TheQuatum]

Batman's identity should have never been revealed, it doesn't matter how good you do it. Batman isn't like other heroes, he should NEVER be publicly known.

[@starset4life175]

Isn't it sad yet funny that Arkham Knight has unbelievably insane graphics that still hold up today while other games in 2019 fail to get even close to this

[@sugs0377]

DMC 5? RE2? Control? Metro Exodus? Yes this game is really outstanding but don't pretend its the only good looking game.

[@geert574]

a polished turd is still a turd

[@Salve-ager]

Fun Fact: When i first saw the Arkham Knight, I was giving the game major props for making it seemingly so obvious it was Jason Todd, thinking it was a very overtly in your face red herring to hide who the actual culprit really was. I figured it was supposed to draw all your attention to such a amazingly obvious twist and when the actual culprit was revealed, you can replay the game, ignoring the "stageshow" of all the giant fake hints and see the actual clues throughout the game that would lead to the real mastermind. I don't know if I'm an optimist or an idiot, but regardless i gave the game too much credit lmao

[@sharkdude7]

My ideal story: Starts with a prologue of Batman vs Bane and he’s brutally taken down while a mysterious brutal vigilante, Arkham Knight, murders Bane. While in the present: Scarecrow and Hush have a team up to break Batman after the two learn his identity. They hire Deathstroke as an enforcer with his new militia to take over Gotham. Hush and Scarecrow have the villains Riddler, Two-Face, Riddler, Poison Ivy, Harley, Firefly, Killer Moth, and a brainwashed Killer Croc. And I like the Bat Family Story. Characters like Nightwing, Oracle, Robin, Catwoman, Spoiler, and Azreal. Knight is also Jason Todd, but feels like Bruce’s methods are ineffective.

[@RadinV1]

My ideal story is really close to yours!

[@raymond4568]

Top quality as always, but Astrid Arkham was a letdown. I have no idea what they'd been thinking with most of that. Even on the comic forums I hang out on we still can't figure out her whole deal. The costume was good but the character was crap, kind of like the game's twist now that I think about it.

[@nono9543]

It’s a shame. Scarecrow is my favorite Batman villain and I was really excited that he was gonna return to be the main villain. And yet he spends most of his screen time just talking :(

[@ghermaneldermendes3674]

For me the awnser to this game is simple: arkham knight is Morgan Ducard... and jason todd is his foe. In the comic books, Morgan Ducard is the son of henry dycard (the guy who teached all the bruce's detective skills) , he fits this role perfect because he is not an obvious character as jason. And he is willing to hurt inocent people to prove that batman moral code have flaws... Jason could discover this and work with batman in a last mission together. instead of all that bullshit with scarecrow biological attack i would prefer a vigilante army against the criminals creating a new war, and for god sake bring Arkham Origins bane back and deathstroke to be their main treat, as scarecrow as secondary villain. they can have this weird joker plotline but as a PTSD trauma in a similar way that is in the game, maybe the ending with bane using scarecrow toxin to break finally the dark knight mentally.

[@munem939]

Perfect timing! I just finished the game last night!

[@user-cm4op2kz3y]

In my opinion the Knight should have been Talia, hear me out. After she gets killed in the Monarch theatre, the leagues members take her to a Lazarus pit and revive her. The pit makes her go slightly mad and she becomes angry at Bruce for not becoming the head of the demon. Talia then swears to continue her father's legacy. Additionally, we could get a mission from the GCPD about bodies found in a warehouse, we go in and set up a crime scene to investigate. The victims were shot and some had their necks snapped, we try to ID the victims and it turns out all are criminals. We chase the killer who turns out to be The red hood. We could then have the scarecrow Jason hallucinations and it would show Jason's backstory and be an even bigger twist when the Knight turns out to be Talia.

[@shaun1neo]

I agree, Hush should have been the Arkham Knight but to frame Batman as a villain. Keeping everything else as you suggested, but now the police are up against Batman too. I hoped you would have commented on the over used BatMobile and Riddlers Challenges

[@RadinV1]

You.. know that batmans identity is a secret right? So if Elliot unmasks himself as Bruce Wayne, why would the police go after batman?

[@Visppy]

Happy Birthday!!! I've been watching since mortal kombat 11 first was announced and have loved your content since then keep being Radical The4thSnake!

[@dominiqueodom3099]

I'm replaying the game Right now with all of the DLC/ additional playable characters and I find myself coming to one conclusion. This game shouldve downplayed the Batmobile,and pushed more of The BATFAMILY. Every one can have their own unique vehicle to traverse in but Batmans be the most unique one. Batman is calling in all his allies for his fight to save Gotham. Make ROBIN and NIGHTWING PLAYABLE IN THE OPEN WORLD around 10/20% into the game. Around 50% the surprise character reveal would be BATGIRL,she recovered from her injuries and resumed crime Fighting in order to help The BATFAMILY. 55/60% into the game you can introduce AZARAEL,who must prove himself by taking down Deathstroke alongside the BATMAN. You can still have the end choice of him becoming and ALLY or him being locked in Prison. 65% Catwoman and Harley Quinn become playable as ALLIES OF BATMAN or just their own individual party with it's own goals and Storyline that coincides. The Reveal of Arkham Knight could be introduced by Batgirl fighting him One on One and she ends up finding his identity out,but chooses to keep it a secret due to the hope that he can redeem himself. Honestly,Jason Todd and Barabra Gordon makes more sense than Tim Drake/Barbara. Around 85/95% RED HOOD becomes playable after he redeems himself and rejoins The BATFAMILY. I just think this shouldve pushed the TEAM of Heroes that Batman has United,giving you a chance To play as your favorite like mine (Red Hood) in Gotham City.

[@JAKX091]

10:23 The f o o k i n g calendar man! (again)

[@cozybones4037]

Amazing how every rewrite of this game feels like a cinematic masterpiece. Rocksteady set the bar pretty low I suppose.

[@notjeremyrenner]

Happy birthday Snake👍🤡

[@The4thSnake]

Thank you.

[@jdg3606]

Wish they had just committed to Red Hood instead of this militia war criminal.

[@ThomasSquared]

Batman Arkham Beyond should really be a thing. Like imagine if it starts off with the reveal that Bruce has been away from civilization for a long time after faking his death, the usual thing happens with Terry where he stumbles into the ruins of Wayne manor, goes into the batcave and the rest you should probably know.

[@yaboi3339]

ive always held the opinion that the main antagonist should have been the riddler. hes the strongest constant presence throughout the previous games other than the joker, and with the joker being a hallucination, the riddler taking over the city would have been incredibly cool. obviously, a lot of people hate the riddler in these games, but i think that theyre fucking awesome. hes the worlds greatest detective, not the worlds greatest puncher

[@spider-manunknown9193]

You making Hush The Arkham Knight is a brilliant idea.

[@djb9267]

No, it isn't. Hush is, at best, a D list villain. Where as scarecrow is a well known villain, who was Set up in the previous games.

[@spider-manunknown9193]

@@djb9267 He isn’t a D list.

[@djb9267]

@@spider-manunknown9193 He is definitely not as well known as scarecrow, which is my point

[@spider-manunknown9193]

@@djb9267 There’s literally a whole story about Hush and it’s one of the most popular Batman stories of all time.

[@djb9267]

@@spider-manunknown9193 To someone who has read comics, hush is well known. However, many people who buy a batman game don't read up on comics. So, the reveal that hush is the arkham Knight wouldn't work. It would also not make sense, considering that his side Mission ended with hush showing that he looks like bruce wayne. Why would he need to use another mask on top of that? How would he even Pose s physical threat to batman?

[@AAllen-br8it]

This sounds SOOOO much better than what we got. And also them making the whole Joker blood schubackle actually make sense with what happened in Arkham City. And yes, I would like that other Wasted Potential.

[@bandigustin1038]

4:20 that idea actually sounds pretty dope. Im gonna use it on my fanfic

[@chrisstegerean9429]

I admit I was skeptical, going into this video, but you make some very good points. Good story alterations, all around. Congratulations!

[@doubleflores8350]

Sigh.... this sounds way better then what we got. That is sad when potential fan idea was a better storyline then the official one.

[@wallygator92]

They really wasted Hush in this game!

[@moonknight778]

Hush should’ve been the main villain smh

[@captainbeastwinger4940]

And yes i want a video About the side missions

[@99jmaster]

For the thing about Bruce and Selina getting together and being happy that's basically what the Silver age stuff did in the comics or any earth based off of that old version of Earth 2 because Huntress was the daughter of Batman and Catwoman in those versions. But for the most part in universes that the general audience is are more aware of that almost never gets to be the case except for Dark Knight Rises but I also agree that was last minute and shouldn't count.

[@rcblazer]

Nicely done, and Happy Birthday! I actually had my birthday a couple of days ago.

[@toanuva6178]

I’d like to add a hint towards Terry Mcginnis as a post credit, or some secret unlockable scene after beating the DLC, or the main game on an certain difficulty

[@dylanaroberts97]

I will say this about Joker in Arkham Knight. Fucking hell is he hilarious.