Batman Gets Married and Has a Son | Batman: Son of the Demon

Batman must team-up with his arch nemesis Ra's Al Ghul to stop a madman from destroying the world. A romance between the Dark Knight and Ra's daughter, Talia, ignites and will change Batman's life forever! Never miss an episode by subscribing today! bit.ly/2WYvgkt #batman
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[@andrewwestfall65]

You can't have Batman be married or a divorcee, that will make him too unrelatable. We should have him make a deal with the Devil to make it so that they never had a relationship

[@citizensupreme4705]

Andrew Westfall oh please don’t reference what-must-not-be-spoken...🙏🏻

[@ryzojc6090]

Call it Batman One More Day

[@papawheeliegaming5647]

@@ryzojc6090 ooh yeah thats good and to throw people off that one more day could just be them laying in the dark instead of something crazy

[@jimothie64]

We shall call it “Batman One More Night”.

[@nerdydragonfan8673]

OMG 🤣 so ture!!! I can literally see DC saying "Hmm... that a GREAT idea!"

[@HancockVasquez]

I love how annoyed Sal is that he has to correct himself when pronouncing Ra's Al Ghul. I hate the entire debate around it too, man. I feel ya.

[@andrewmatseshe7343]

As an Arabic speaker I was about to make a “mwell actually...” comment but as I tweeted Sal, it’s comics. Whatevs. Call him “Reesh” if you like. Same awesome villain, same awesome KZbin channel

[@AAllen-br8it]

It is "Ray-zh" it's how it was intended to be pronounced. According to the rules of English, you could pronounce Batman as "Bat-men" or you could pronounce Talia as "Ta-leea" but you don't, because that's not how their names are meant to be pronounced. The whole Rahs pronunciation came from people just reading it that way without hearing how it's supposed to be said and, as a fan, it makes me cringe to hear it said that way.

[@Crazy4Comics98]

@@AAllen-br8it Well also you know, Batman Begins pronounces it Rah-z

[@AAllen-br8it]

@@Crazy4Comics98 Good for Batman Begins. It's an incorrect pronunciation.

[@flimtok]

Roz

[@Cubelarooso]

Batman hits his wife: nobody panics Hank Pym hits his wife: everyone loses their minds

[@joshuanelson6795]

I've always preferred the more conflicted and sympathetic version of Talia we get in this story over the psychotic and vengeful version we get nowadays. I have absolutely no idea how Batman could ever be attracted to the Talia of today.

[@nintendofan6099]

Joshua Nelson Same. I hate how they changed her. I think the best version of her was the Animated Series Version and the Arkham City version I loved.

[@saracohle]

I think she is how she is today because of their divorce and custody battle over Damian. Where Batman became a better man and a surprisingly caring father, Talia creates a worldwide crime organization and clone children to compensate for not getting the love and attention from the folks in her life she craves most.

[@sheevinit1490]

So I guess Batman always has a plan... and Damian wasn’t one of them.

[@samaelstoker]

Fun fact: a comic that actually refers to 'Son of the Demon' and gets it somewhat right is 'Kingdom Come'. Ibn Al Xu'ffash, Bruce's son in that continuity, is also based off of the unnamed kid in 'Son of the Demon'; and in the notes of the book Mark Waid actually references the adoption and a bit of the history of the character. And, nothing, I just thought it was neat.

[@MrCoxie64]

I see that “I voted today” sticker, Sal. Glad to see ComicPoP fulfilling their Civic Duties.

[@DefactoOverlord]

I mean, Bruce Wayne still owns Daily Planet. It would be easy to explain what Clark is doing at Bruce's wedding.

[@HollowGolem]

I wonder if Qayin was an inspiration for David Cain, Cassandra Cain's father, created about 12 years later.

[@Grievousish]

This story just reminds me that Damian would have been a much better pick to be the arkham knight. You already have talia established. Why not bring in Damian instead of randomly plucking Jason out of the blue

[@deadpoolrockz6410]

Few years late, but damn. Now that you mentioned it, that would've been a whole lot better. The Arkham universe could be a universe where Batman's son was raised in secret for a majority of his life, never having to personally meet his father. By his late teens/young adult years, he learns that Batman is responsible for the death of his mother and grandfather, leading him to form a paramilitary unit and conspire with a cabal of Gotham's criminals in a bid to take over Gotham City and stop the Batman. Twists and turns lead to Batman working alongside prominent characters affiliated with the League of Shadows, resulting in him finding out that the Arkham Knight is Talia's son. After they have a boss fight, Scarecrow betrays the Arkham Knight in a failed maneuver to kill both him and Batman. The two are then forced to work together, which leads to the Arkham Knight admitting that his father was Bruce Wayne, someone who he believed was just a rich playboy billionaire who wasn't worth his time. The ending is the same where Scarecrow unmask Batman and is defeated, but before the Dark Knight can take the villain to prison, Arkham Knight acknowledges him as the man who his mother loved, before running off.

[@theotherguy21]

@@deadpoolrockz6410 it be perfect considering in city she asks bruce about the night in metropolis

[@MrBromansa]

I think that the problem with this idea is Damien's age. Unless Bruce and Talia had sex way before he became Batman, Damien would at best be 12-13 during Arkham Knight. It's a nice idea though.

[@SaberRexZealot]

@@MrBromansa yeah, it would work if Batman and Talia were in their 50s or something but they ain’t lol. I think Jason still works but ideally Rocksteady would’ve established all of the bat family before the last game.

[@BrowncoatAllywang]

Don't worry Sal I also say Ray-sh. Just sounds cooler to me that way.

[@architeuthis3476]

I heard an interview with Neal Adams where he said the correct pronunciation is "Ray-sh"

[@BlueScarabGuy]

It's Ray-sh in literally every piece of Batman media I can think of that's NOT the Nolan films. Nolan got it wrong.

[@g-mandacomicfan350]

@@BlueScarabGuy Exactly but because its the precious Nolan trilogy people think thats what it is...😒 So dumb. Nerdsync concluded that it is Ray-sh using real world languages etc. so I always said it like that since.

[@enrajbroin]

@@g-mandacomicfan350 you got that a bit wrong, he concluded that it is Raysh according to the creator, Rahs is how it's pronounced in Arabic (where the name comes from) at the end of thr day it doesn't really matter, just pronounce it either way, as both can be seen as correct

[@FanNaf-tt6xi]

@@enrajbroin yeah I agree it doesn’t matter how you pronounce it but both are valid one cuz of what’s been used and one as the origin of the name

[@DaveFu]

Batman believes in equal rights.....and lefts!

[@luisgomez8635]

"Rob it up".. 😂 I love the shout out to ComicsExplained.

[@comicsmisexplained]

Yeah it's weird. Batman said that he is getting married to Catwoman and that it's not possible for Bruce Wayne and Selina Kyle to get married

[@acheman8836]

My favorite version of Talia Al Ghul is the one from the Arkham-verse, but I miss this version of Talia, way better than what we have in the comics today.

[@liverusrock6789]

Andy Castellanos Yeah, raper Talía sucks

[@kxng_.t5128]

Yo I love your guy channel to death 😁🤙🤙

[@jonfrombuckland_3784]

Batman being an almost mythical creature of the night, but also hanging out with his cool buddy Jim Gordon is so fun. I love it

[@Grievousish]

Ah, the story that helped to create the best thing ever: Damian...........'s relationship with Jon Kent.

[@pzychosaiyan]

Damian is already a good character and his friendship Jon makes him better.

[@seanrutherford728]

He could have two wedding ceremony. One as Batman and the other as Bruce Wayne. Just imagine him wearing a suit with a bat tie and a mask on

[@jonathanshaw9704]

Hey ComicPop, I got my wisdom teeth out yesterday. This is just what the doctor ordered. Also, Batman and Catwoman aren’t crazy, they have a sense of awesomeness and use the shadows as their ally, there is a difference.

[@Grievousish]

I know your pain man, got mine taken out about a month ago.

[@MrDudoma]

I'll have it out today. Did it suck? Does this video made it better? Cuz I'm gonna watch it afterwords.

[@bonniebeck2617]

Ha "Hit me again!"

[@DavidTSmith-jn5bs]

43:38 That's exactly what I was thinking when I first read this book: "What is this? Batman meets 'On Her Majesty's Secret Service?'" This is more or less how Denny O'Neill and Neal Adams treated Batman and Talia back in the '70s! Good story but c'mon!

[@austineaton2646]

Catwoman is def cray cray.

[@DonWinslow-vc1um]

I have this graphic novel. It's still one of my all-time favorites. I bought it when it was first published. I love that Mark Hamill wrote the foreword, before he even auditioned for the Joker.

[@yohsephcassidy7324]

hell ya more batman back issues!!!! liked before i watch cuz im never dissapointed

[@NewPhoneWhoThis52]

Man all this Wedding talk got me thinking Hey Spiderman when will you oh right never mind...

[@Marcus-xk9im]

Hey covered Spider-Man’s marriage last week

[@NewPhoneWhoThis52]

Boltup 2101 you know who else remembers that story (Marvel Editoral)

[@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache]

"To Damian Wayne...You were a mistake. Sincerely, The Universe"

[@TevyaSmolka]

except without Damian Wayne we wouldn't have super sons with jon aka superboy

[@nintendofan6099]

Tevya Smolka Also there are pretty good Teen Titan stories with him as well. It's just his attitude is annoying.

[@sheevinit1490]

“Very thorough Terry. But Father’s Name was pronounced “raish” not “raz.”

[@infinitecarnage4177]

So every time I watch a video by you guys coincidentally I am wearing the same spider-man shirt that Ethan is wearing. Weird

[@1KingMichaelJackson1]

ComicPOP Love your show. Listing to your show almost every day. Could you do a Top 10 Superman The Animated Series Episodes?? Like the one you did on Batman The Animated Series on elsword exchange

[@comicpop]

Excellent idea!

[@NOTSparkyPants]

Sal, I’m pretty sure both Danny O’Neil and Neil Adams have confirmed that your pronunciation and that of the cartoon’s is correct.

[@DavidTSmith-jn5bs]

25:11 Sal, Ben AND Ethan were doing what was done in the Deadpool film probably before it happened, which makes this exchange more hilarious when you think about it. Well done, guys!

[@kylelundy802]

“”I’d rather ninjas!” -Ra’s al Ghul”” -Ben

[@rlccomics2614]

wow the notifications are working

[@ricardocolon5987]

The day Ethan finds the person who waves their arm like that after being startled is the day he loses his mind and will never question a comic book again hahaha

[@YouCalledForTheDoc]

Clearly we need an episode on the Birds of Prey arc where Ra's falls in love with Dinah and doesn't tell her he's a cult leader until he's about to dump her in a lazarus pool to cure her sterility since he wants her to have his kid.

[@FanNaf-tt6xi]

Fun fact Damian Wayne is mixed race apparently and I just found that out after hearing that ras alghul can be prounounced as “Ras” and damians ethnicity is much more confusing then what I initially thought he’s like 1/6 3 ethnicities (broadly Asian, broadly middle eastern, broadly Arab) and then the 1/2 is whatever Bruce is (I think ashkenazi Jewish)

[@mrboykins4619]

wouldnt batman's identity be exposed if he's marrying a villian who's identity is atleast known to the gotham criminal system ?

[@comixproviderftw_02]

The prelude to Damien

[@panthor109thabest7]

ComiXProvider FTW_02 the demon or the child? Whole am I kidding is there even a difference

[@dirkts5464]

Last time i was this early Spiderman and Mary Jane were still married

[@NickTurncoat]

It's been a few months since I've read it, but I'm pretty sure Tom King's "Rules of Engagement" is all about addressing the annulment of Bruce and Talia's wedding.

[@nintendofan6099]

I actually love this book. It's sort of fun and a guilty pleasure for me. Like they said it's James Bond but Batman.

[@adeelhussain2304]

This is hilarious - I remember reading this when I was younger and absolutely agree that the art is brilliant and evokes that creature of the night feel

[@lukeroberts8473]

Hey guys, this was a great birthday present. Thanks!

[@comicpop]

Happy birthday!

[@lukeroberts8473]

ComicPOP thank you!

[@9xprincess]

This should be made canon to be how Damian was conceived or he was conceived during one of Batman-Talia’s usual consensual liaisons. I hate they went with the date rape story....like why, their already lovers.

[@chikish]

YES one of my favorite Batman stories! It's old-school in all the right ways and I love Batman James Bond-ing it up.

[@comicswatching4851]

Happy to see Ben back! Still love everyone else, just was worried maybe he moved away or something, keep up the great work!

[@joshpecker4352]

*Sees Notification* Me : finally

[@liamgibbons5266]

been waiting all day

[@rodney2x48]

Can't remember a story and you changed continuity for a story you made? BLAME IT ON SUPERBOY PRIME!

[@andrewmatseshe7343]

Favorite channel on the interwebs

[@luckyafro4991]

0:23 THANK YOU I have had this question for months and I still don't understand how a costumed superhero can publicly marry a costumed felon in public legally

[@megamonmon]

Lucky Inn Selina and Bruce are having a private wedding, the costume marriage is just for show.

[@luckyafro4991]

megamonmon ah thanks for clearing that up

[@TungstenViper]

i suppose it's to protect secret identities, so publicly you have to do that

[@wilagaton9627]

One of the first graphic novel I bought on my own 😀😀😀

[@yenachomps4660]

"I've gone 'Ahh!' before but I've not gone 'AUUGH!' " Oh, Ethan. You basically say all of my criticisms about these damn comics. Thank you.

[@jasondennison8911]

Ok now I’m never going to be able to think of the Lazarus pit without putting al Ghul in a version of the When Doves Cry video. 😂

[@EternalBlockBuster]

Dirk. Hardpeck. Thanks Ben.

[@izzythefizzy4]

I think Catwoman is a few notches below Batman on the crazy scale. Has there been any stories where Poison Ivy teams up with Ras?

[@sonofhercules195]

You guys gonna do Matt Wagner's Trinity? Ras Al Ghul teams up with Bizzaro.

[@PatLund]

I just read this story last week because I wanted to go through and read Damian Waynes story and this story was actually quite good. I recommend it.

[@LukeDodge916]

This is a great story, with Fantastic art.

[@ianmckee4726]

I am really disappointed that when batman and catwoman went to see Talia about their engagement, that Batman didnt try and talk them into some kind of polygamous relationship.

[@batnick7230]

I don’t really think Catwoman is crazy. Maybe in some ways she is but not completely crazy. Also love back issues Sal, Ben, Ethan, and Tiffany. I have a question is who is the lady with the black hair who Tiffany hangs with. She was on the episode of “Death Of The Family”.

[@zslayer1249]

Will you be doing punisher max in the future btw I enjoy the vids keep up the great work.

[@comicpop]

I really want to.

[@JoshMunroe]

I think Batman and having biological children don't mix too well. Batman and Shazam should do a PSA promoting adoption and fostering children.

[@FatSnorlax]

Ah yes I remember this. They had it in my school library. Good times...

[@flywheelshyster]

It would've been nice to have a married a batman...but since it was a dud can we get a batman and wonderwoman relationship, its already implied from grant morrison's white martian evil JLA book... if they could just make that happen, for one year, that's all. would be amaze balls

[@barraki6706]

a.k.a. the Circumstances Surrounding the Birth of One Damian Wayne

[@grawlicksshmalicks7672]

I've always said 'Raish' instead of 'Raz' as well. I give the pronunciation about as much gravity as someone reading and then trying to pronounce an Asgardian or Wakandan name. Also Ben's shirt is hot fire. Liquid hot magma.

[@billyboy9360]

A ninja pyramid scheme lol

[@woodspringstcg]

Man I love this show. 😅👍

[@rubenalmazanalmazan2742]

Love back issues. I never missed it

[@owenlabate2573]

Pleeaaaasssee do Superman American Alien

[@deazy6453]

Intriguing title and a great show, guys! By the way, Cat woman is a nutcase.

[@Sicod79]

Wedding after wedding. Lots of weddings in comics...but divorce...nah.

[@davidedelstein6600]

Love you guys!! Yes....I'm that annoying guy who's going to be on your comments incessantly asking you guys to do DARK NIGHTS METAL until you guys do it!!! Like I said....I love you guys, so entertaining!!!

[@tristencovarrubias4950]

To be fair, Cat Woman goes to Blackgate… The Penguin & Black Mask go to Blackgate… even Victor Zsasz gets Maximum Security at Blackgate and his Psichiatric treatment comes to him, LoL 😅

[@GitShiddy]

So it's pre-crisis that Batman is drugged when he & Talia have sex, then in the darker more real post-crisis it's consensual? I assumed it was the other way around. That means I've been wrong calling Damian a rape baby this whole time?! That's the only thing that made his douchiness bearable to me.

[@comicpop]

No. He was drugged and they were married by Ra's, but they didn't "consummate" the marriage in DC Special Series #15. They finally did have sex in Son of the Demon, which was entirely consensual. Then Grant Morrison wanted to do something with that idea, but didn't want to spend the $5 on a back issue, so he just made up what he didn't remember and changed things around to fit what he wanted.

[@super_robot_punch]

Correction you just answered me.... 😂😂😂🤣

[@wtfrocks8663]

YES, YES, YES! Bought this when it first came out just because I thought the cover was so cool.

[@tjjordan4207]

Sal: “So Batman just murders this dude.” Not his fault that this dude was a terrible shot.

[@anothercleverusername992]

Fucking Ra's Al Ghul... Raz Al Ghul and Raysh Al Ghul are both correct. One is "more correct" with language and the other is what his creators called him.... The debate is like saying which Robin is best... It's which ever one you think is best is best. Or, is the lead character of this universe _"Batman"_ or _"The Batman"?_ The answer? Yes.

[@gosh402]

Sorta puerile view of the difference between killing not saving a murder for yall

[@joshuanelson6795]

Please tell me you'll eventually review the rest of the "Demon" trilogy, guys...

[@alexnowak4921]

I always appreciate the "I Voted" stickers

[@noreply3717]

JSA age of rock and four city war reed Richards and joke and riddle war

[@FanNaf-tt6xi]

I have a firm belief that catwoman Selina Kyle is a sane woman

[@nerdydragonfan8673]

Comic Pop: Is Catwoman crazy? Batman: It doesn't matter whether Catwoman is crazy or not, she's HOT!!!😍 Also, comment below if you think the "Batman Returns" crazy and seductive Catwoman was the hottest🔥 version of the character.

[@nerdydragonfan8673]

OwO🤩OwO🤩 Me!Me!Me!🙋‍♀️I do!😍

[@ridge825]

You guys are fucking awesome

[@ErwinRommelNazie]

just read the prelude to the wedding they are married in secret.

[@redwar77]

Awesome!

[@BuckMeisterCulREACTS]

I was always under the impression that Damien was born coz Talia or Ra's drugged him I'm legit surprised that this was consensual

[@Martin_TheCollector]

Love this story and Morrison introducing Damian. Don't care what the haters say.

[@comicpop]

No hate, just criticism.

[@Martin_TheCollector]

ComicPOP not by you, I just know many people who truly hate him.

[@Oblivion4777]

Hey guys. I'm new to Batman comics and I'm starting at the new 52. Does this marriage happen during Rebirth? Love the video by the way! Make it easy for new readers like myself to digest! ^^

[@chazkhaira4690]

Thanks that was brilliant

[@GitShiddy]

I vividly remember an interview with Dennis O'neil in which he was asked about the pronunciation of Ra's and he got pretty animated about how Batman Begins got it wrong and it's pronounce (as Sal, BTAS & everyone should say) Ray-sh. I mean you think Chris Nolan actually read comics? Hell if that weirdo Tim Burton didn't than that 3 piece suit wearing oligark sure as hell didn't. It's Ray-sh, fact.

[@TheMegaDudeBroski]

All the promotional stuff at my comic shop says Bruce Wayne and Selina Kyle, but I have seen some of the stuff saying Batman and Catwoman so...

[@kiddankula5480]

Sal, the absolute fucking unit of all the comic youtubers. Fight me of you think I'm wrong

[@dieboyandy5150]

I Love Ethan refusing to believe Ben's "bored board" joke!!!!!!!!!!

[@architeuthis3476]

Wait, is the whole story in continuity, or just the part about Batman and Talia having a kid?

[@comicpop]

Eh

[@architeuthis3476]

I suppose that's a reasonable answer

[@DCReviews4]

Yeah the whole thing with Ra's name is stupid I just go off of what comes out but "Raz" sounds really lame

[@pzychosaiyan]

I always wanted a story where Batman and the Bat Family joins the League of Shadows.