Batman V Superman - Caravan Of Garbage

Next up on the Zack Snyder DC Comics trilogy is Batman V Superman: Dawn Of Justice the Ultimate Cut. Some consider it one of the greatest cinematic events in history other believe it to be a massive misstep. All opinions are valid but yours is the best we agree with you. This is our Caravan of Garbage review and thanks for watching. Next week...Justice League.
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[@LadyRaeona]

That Lex Luthor weird noises montage is the most unpleasant thing I've seen in a long time. Well done!

[@cherry27]

Uh um ee um um

[@Selfinflictedhummusrocket]

Mark Zuckerberg soundin dude

[@thatcoolkidjoey]

Yes but also really really really annoying

[@anubusx]

Needs to be edited into a rap, dance complimation.

[@jackgarrison8497]

@@cherry27 THE ONLY BAD THING IN THIS MOVIE IS JEFFREY EINSTEIN AS LEX LUTHOR THE MOVIE IS GREAT I DON'T CARE WHAT ANYONE SAYS!

[@paulinlongbeach]

People are going to lose their minds when the Snyder Cut reveals that Darkseid's mother is also named Martha.

[@this_is_AK]

That means you don't know anything about them.

[@danield.8233]

Darkseids uncow is called Steppenwolf

[@kingactonsim]

This is the best thing I’ve read today 🤣🤣🤣

[@the3Ebroadcast]

Marthseid

[@Hummingbirder1]

@Paul in Long Beach: Is this Paul in Long Beach from The Post Geek Singularity, I wonder?

[@heyitslewi1599]

Batman being the opportunist he is, sees all the newly orphaned kids in metropolis and creates an army of robins

[@mattvega8396]

Wild as fuck how this basically happened, but with the Batman Who Laughs lmao.

[@FreedomNation]

They create themselves. We Are Robin.

[@aviram7129]

The opportunist who kills everyone? And he wants to motivate orphan kids?

[@TheUltimateWriterNZ]

@@aviram7129 *groom

[@Anshumansahu23]

@@aviram7129 lol wtf ???

[@k.g.7591]

The concept of Superman walking into a room and, doglike, becoming transfixed by the stink of piss and knowing there’s a jar of it in the room with him is the funniest shit I’ve ever heard in months

[@danielplainview2584]

This part has me dying

[@svenskallaru9466]

'I envy the amusement of the Lower intellects.' Me, a rick and morty fan.

[@s1me007]

If there’s too much piss, there is something amiss

[@elliswebster7041]

@@svenskallaru9466 1 year later

[@coda7994]

I read this comment right before that part, had me laughing so hard

[@ef2293]

The real jar of piss was the friends we made along the way

[@Water_Me_Loan]

The Real Doomsday Was The Friends We Made Along The Way.

[@matthewfarmer736]

The real friends we made were the jars of piss we made along the way

[@electric_creeper]

The real jar of piss are the jarates we made along the TF fan animations.

[@simplythecolororange]

The made real along the.. DAMN IT!!

[@womanfan5328]

Shane Large-Chip The real damning of it was the friends we made along the way

[@3nails4you]

The Tobey Maguire "HE'S STILL OUT THERE" edit was the best editing I've ever seen great job Ben

[@HarmoniousFists7]

22:50

[@Monjacu]

That and the Lex Luthor slurping noises compilation were beyond perfection.

[@Ancor_Vantian]

I was watching the video on my PS4. When I saw that edit I had to come to my computer just to comment how good it was. I'm happy to see so many people appreciate Ben's top notch work.

[@theavatar9191]

I almost spat out my drink

[@RoBoTrOnIc1001001]

I absolutely died when I saw that 👌👌😂😂

[@teddy-fl6hm]

The reason Snyder killed Jimmy Olsen is because he doesn’t know what to do with a hopeful, inspiring character.

[@nosausepizzaboy1904]

I think this would be regarded as one of the best movies ever if for some reason Snyder was really actuate to comics jimmy, like everyone is dark and brooding, then there’s jimmy with his bright argyle sweaters

[@teddy-fl6hm]

@@nosausepizzaboy1904 yeah, I do like this movie, specifically the extended cut, but jimmy olsen could’ve had a really genuinely interesting role if handled correctly

[@nestoryetlanezimartinezmen6931]

No

[@eingoluq]

Or his weakness in basic storytelling. Olsen was created to give the audience a proxy. I doubt he has the skills to do something like that.

[@eingoluq]

@@nosausepizzaboy1904 I think it should be more like this: Superman should be the bright-eyed hopeful character and he influences people around him. despite the world being a dark place, SUPERMAN IS THE LIGHT! Olsen could have had a rough background, taking things out on the world, but Superman brings the best of him out. so over the course of the film, Olsen becomes that bright character we know him as. He should have been the emo creative type, that decides to see the goodness in the world through photography.

[@maggiechristian7158]

my biggest problem with the “save martha” scene is who the hell calls their mom by her first name

[@goten339]

ikr if he had just said "save my mom" it would have humanised him more, whilst not necessitating that against all odds Batman and Superman's mothers have the same name. I know they've both been called Martha in various comics, but that doesn't justify this dumb decision.

[@RetroIsaac]

@@phrogjeef No! That is not the same thing!

[@filbencs5098]

@@RetroIsaac It actually is the same exact thing.

[@blackmantis3130]

Well he said the first name because he was appealing to their mothers sharing the same name .

[@traktor420]

@@filbencs5098 it isn:t the same, I only have one mom, there are millions of actors, if I just say ‘the actor’ yiu won’t know who I’m talking about, if I say ‘my mom’ you’ll know, ya just gotta figure out who my mom is, and to do that it would be safe to assume you could ask one of my friends, or literally anyone else associated with me

[@myohmyDesign]

'If there's too much piss there's something amiss' - Nick Mason

[@Mayydayy86]

Folksy wisdom

[@Getwright-]

The state motto of Kansas, (because its folksy wisdom)

[@aaronjohnson7258]

@@Getwright- you can hear it whispering in the corn stalks of good ol kansas

[@dannygrover595]

Isn't the piss in a Mason jar? I've cracked the case 😁

[@puichiung2959]

Mmmmm...that's so peachy!🤪

[@holyone2668]

Superman walks into the court room sniff* sniff* “there’s a jar of piss in here”. That made me laugh very much.

[@barbaramcgee8933]

Me too. Then reading your comment made me laugh again.

[@bloocheeseformaboi881]

Super-smell.

[@tweeks9896]

Looool

[@jakphannak817]

I have one thing to say about Lex Luthor in this movie. He is definitely the best Riddler ever put on screen.

[@Danniboi03]

OMG! Why didn't they just make him The Riddler? It would've made a lot more sense, at least with Jesse Eisenberg.

[@__M7MD]

@@Danniboi03 he's still rich and popular like lex luthor

[@heimdallstatus1376]

Nah hes lex luthors son

[@CptNeogene]

Paul dano says hi

[@smurfette_blues7922]

@@heimdallstatus1376 yeah i buy that more.

[@TheFarmacists]

A bit of extra insight on the red/blue eyes symbolism: The original batman suit eyes were supposed to be green. However, the glow was added in post (pure CG) and they had a lot of problems getting the green hues to render properly, so they made the decision to change it to blue which showed up a lot better. This led to the movies working title, Blue Harvest.

[@mrsundaymovies]

I can’t believe I’m saying this, but it took me far too long into this comment to figure out what you were doing

[@5lim.0]

@@mrsundaymovies - I’m dead rn

[@user-gw3bs2in5i]

This never stops being funny

[@maximillion322]

that's a bit of green trivia there.

[@legomarioboy08]

@@maximillion322 *R H O D N E Y !*

[@andyanderson503]

It’s just...it’s so much piss. What is that, half a liter? Three quarters? How many sessions would it have taken to fill that huge mason jar?!?

[@mattrobinson4663]

And if it was piss, you'd have to smell it. The jar didn't have a lid.

[@hawkeyeplerce5238]

You underestimate the amount of piss that comes in one session. Try it sometime. You'd probably be closer to overflowing the jar than not filling it up lol

[@zackattack9228]

*Dedication*

[@wolfthornnholtzklau4913]

@@hawkeyeplerce5238 especially if you knock back beers like I do

[@jackrichardson4089]

A 'Mason' jar? I don't appreciate the bias. Why couldn't they use a James Jar. #FillJamesWithPiss

[@monsterjunkie7773]

I maintain that everyone was asking for Heisenberg for Lex Luther, and they misheard

[@samtrotter7177]

Head canon accepted

[@rayyankhan343]

I too watch Jeremy Kahn’s

[@jliller]

There i some uncertainty involved.

[@IamBrixTM]

This is the objective truth and I will not listen to anyone else.

[@suddenllybah]

I'd get it.

[@BeefSupreme138]

Best summary of this movie I’ve ever heard is: “It’s just two murderers pissed off at each other for murdering people.”

[@moviehermit5631]

I really wish Lex Luther was the manic, socially awkward mess in public, but behind the scenes he's calm and collected, classic Lex Luther genius who is a genuine threat instead of just being a psychotic mess all the time

[@joshuabryk4316]

Well the scenes where he’s by himself are really good

[@codybarlik4524]

If you want to see how lex Luthor should be portrayed, read Superman: American Alien. There isn’t too much of him in it, but the scenes with lex are so well written and paint a perfect picture of him

[@Karlos.Fandango.]

He's not lex senior he's the neglected son of lex luthor who abused and neglected him so it makes perfect sence for him to act the way he does

[@codybarlik4524]

@@Karlos.Fandango. stop making up plot points.

[@ChineseMusicianGamer]

@@codybarlik4524 they'll never stop. Who cares if it makes sense if it's not very entertaining😂

[@adenruckert22]

I haven't eaten a jolly rancher since this movie.

[@DazzlingMrScratch]

I only eat cherry ones

[@maxverellen7265]

It also ruined peach tea.

[@thegibbonisreal]

Maureen's got five sisters, they all got ass .One of them has eyes as big as jolly ranchers.Beautiful girl, she's a beautiful girl ...

[@keegannicholas8053]

Bruh only cherry ones

[@keegannicholas8053]

Yassir king 🤴

[@mrbyun7135]

"If there's too much piss, there's something amiss."

[@AndreNitroX]

I found my yearbook quote

[@andrewaftontheandroidhedge2780]

so poetic

[@dapperdavid3193]

James calling out Martian Manhunter never fails to make me laugh

[@tmac731]

How did he even know?? The Synder cut wasn’t even out yet lmfao

[@dapperdavid3193]

@@tmac731 leaks

[@logandh2]

@@tmac731It was known for years before the Snyder cut. Basically since 2013.

[@shemajdgantt5732]

Wonder Woman could have thrown that spear accurately and hit Doomsday with it. Thats the kind of thing they do on Themyscira.

[@bern9642]

Well superman needed to die.

[@dylanburton4955]

@@bern9642 He didn’t really need too in that scenario. It would have made more sense if Wonder Woman wasn’t in the fight or got knocked out but they didn’t do that. But I think they shouldn’t have included Doomsday and should have saved it for a later film after more development and time with Superman

[@blyat8832]

@@dylanburton4955 He probably meant the movie needed a "shock factor" from it being so god damn boring. And I agree doomsday should've been in the sequel. Doomsday was just a bad mistake for a bad movie, they should've made lex the villain all the way through then in the sequel have the doomsday and superman death, but hey its a dcu movie, bad choices are what they do

[@shawnlord3419]

She was kinda busy restraining and stoping doomsday from moving and evolving

[@postsniper-7532]

Superman could have pushed him from behind into the spear impaling them both

[@TheMightofDab]

Can't wait for GvK, and the bit where Kong is about to punch Godzilla's head off but Godzilla stammers out "must...save...Mothra" and Kong reveals he's also best mates with her and they must team up to save her from Destroyah

[@Charmful24]

This is the best thing I've ever read

[@SirJokerMcDuff]

Watch Doomsday be Mechagodzilla turning into Mecha-ghidorah as the thing

[@blyzer7373]

@@SirJokerMcDuff Congratulations. You are clairvoyant

[@shumaatiqunnassa4123]

Spoilers ahead: Lmao exactly what happened except it was godzilla on kong And there was no “save mothra” It was just godzilla roaring in pinned down kong’s face then godzilla just leaves him on the ground for no reason then goes to fight mechagodzilla

[@user-gw3bs2in5i]

@@shumaatiqunnassa4123 Tbf, they are animals. I have no issue believing that Godzilla would just go off and fight another monster after beating another and forgetting to kill him lol

[@frankcegs]

Them dogging on Martian man hunter is the best

[@Simianking2]

The fact that they just assert the general guy is clearly Martian Manhunter kills me

[@PyroSpartan1337]

HE'S STILL OUT THERE!

[@Huskythapoet]

I doubt Zach understands the characters and just says things so people like him

[@Rinchen8192]

who the hell is Martin?

[@mysterym9521]

Rinchen Gonpo Martian Manhunter, a superhero in the justice league who is from Mars.

[@Hyspellman]

This is my favorite CoG. So many hilarious moments. "Just smuggle it in, mate. You're already done those murders." "What's he gonna do? Kill Superman again?" "HE'S STILL OUT THERE!"

[@user-gw3bs2in5i]

“Never looked slower” “What love affair?” “This lex Corp bullet, who did this?” “How does he even put his shoes on?” “Well that’s the problem isn’t it?” Those, and so many more always get me too

[@takeshikovacks6708]

God the “just smuggle it in mate” one keeps me laughing to this day. Seen this video a thousand times and it still cracks me up

[@gammawolf3]

"Superman should have entered the room and be like: *sniff sniff* there's a jar of piss in here!" THIS IS SO FUNNY AND YET SO TRUE!

[@thombruce]

It's absolutely true! ...and now I need to adopt the head canon that Superman just doesn't mention the jar of piss to spare everyone's feelings. He was probably thinking, "Should I mention it? Nah, probably not. What are they gonna say if I do? 'Thanks Superman, I know. That's my sentimental piss jar, actually.'"

[@lexi7445]

@@thombruce Wait this is hilarious

[@timbouvin2462]

Bgfwfm You Melpppl ll

[@timbouvin2462]

You

[@TheJesselopez1981]

@@thombruce he probably looked at the guy in the wheelchair and thought "oh, catheter."

[@juarezamorim]

really that no one cares about Clark Kent enter the bathtub with his shoes?

[@americanninja1200]

i think they actually mentioned that a couple years ago when the trailer came out

[@AndreNitroX]

That still bothers me

[@simonegreco1958]

Lois likes wet socks

[@THEremiXFACTOR]

Hopefully he didn't have dog shit on the soles.

[@joeyvdm1]

I never take my shoes off when climbing in the tub. Have I been doing it wrong this whole time? And I never take my clothes off when doing my washing either. I just climb into my washing machine with my clothes still on, that's what I thought scuba gear was for. Have I been doing that wrong as well?

[@nelsonbrito83]

You forgot to talk about Clark making fake fried eggs while shirtless.

[@Getwright-]

Those eggs did look so damn fake lol

[@Chvse4U]

@@Thebellreve I care that they forgot to mention it

[@bigstunna2049]

And he gets into a tub with pants on

[@profile2047]

Bell Reve The answer to your question is the comment you replied to smart one.

[@simplythecolororange]

@@Thebellreve #ICare

[@geoscope3399]

Speaking of Clark not knowing who Bruce Wayne is. In both Superman the animated series and Justice League War, Superman uses his X-ray vision to look through Batman’s mask and instantly recognizes Bruce Wayne. It’s just kinda weird that Zach Snyder decided to do things this way

[@codybarlik4524]

Because zack Snyder doesn’t use his brain when it comes to the story points of his movies. Just look at his version of justice league. You’ve got darkseid fucking just forgetting about the only planet he lost on, where he lost his most prized possessions at, where his entire main goal is. And then Snyder fumbles over this batshit excuse as to why it happened. Then you have now a second movie where a word ending threat is taking place and Martian Manhunter was just chilling like “oh I hope you guys can do it!”

[@videogamenostalgia]

I think Snyder just forgot about the x-ray vision? I don't think he's used it once since Man of Steel

[@videogamenostalgia]

@@codybarlik4524 In fairness that's clearly just because the Darkseid and Martian Manhunter stuff was something they devised specifically for the 2021 Snyder Cut and they're obviously lying when they say that was the plan from the beginning.

[@geoscope3399]

@@videogamenostalgia he uses it when Superman looks through the one way mirror when he’s arrested in Man of Steel, maybe. It’s not said outright

[@codybarlik4524]

@@videogamenostalgia idk man, they released a comic book a few years ago that is a tie in for the snyderverse and it revealed that Martian Manhunter was general swannick the whole time. And BVS had that stupid fucking nightmare sequence that showed earth being controlled by Darkseid with Superman being his enforcer. I truly think Snyder’s vision for the DCEU was just THAT bad lol

[@NathanDrakeTheGreat]

_"If there's too much _*_piss,_*_ there IS something _*_amiss..."_* Words to live by.

[@roydiaz2923]

The Tobey Maguire "he's still out there" edit is the best shit I've seen in awhile.

[@The_Nate_Dawg]

totally agree hella funny

[@H4ZZMAT]

I was gonna say. That killed me 😂

[@Brabbel93]

do you have a time stamp? I missed that

[@willgipson5837]

Brabbel93 22:50

[@tretucker8004]

Lmao i love it

[@hunterb412]

I can’t be the only one that was sad they didn’t say “They punch for a bit, then they’re mates.” That and “MAD GHOST!” Are my favorite quotes from these two.

[@doctorhandsome]

You're a dog of a bloke.

[@LoganBluth]

MAD GHOST!!! (Sorry, in my head-canon of the Weekly Planet-iverse it's bad luck if when someone yells "MAD GHOST!" someone else doesn't instantly yell "MAD GHOST!" back at them.) Btw, my favourite quote is by Mason in reference to fans of this exact movie: "That's fine..., fine. You're wrong, but it's fine. It's COOL..., but it's wrong, but it's fine. If you thought the movie meshed well you're wrong, but it's cool, but you're fine..... Jeez, we're gonna have to do this forever, aren't we?" (All said with a tone of unutterably weary resignation.)

[@eboooo]

We're Mates just seeing to guys saying We're Mates

[@BonJoviBeatlesLedZep]

Having finally seen Godzilla v Kong, I can say that they REALLY dropped the ball with BvS when Kong and freaking Godzilla had more sense and emotional intelligence than Bruce and Clark here

[@tmac731]

You didn’t understand the movie

[@alejoSOTOful]

​@@tmac731honestly if you think about he's actually right, heck they even gave 2 movies to Godzilla and 1 to Kong previous to their matchup that even gave them solid character development, to giant monsters that can't even speak, and it worked

[@tmac731]

@@alejoSOTOful I get that but that doesn’t mean BVS dropped the ball. BVS is so misunderstood

[@alejoSOTOful]

@@tmac731 not really, the whole ordeal is about getting the titular characters to fight; but Superman could've avoided it entirely, had plenty of chances to talk to Batman about what's going on; and Batman is a complete idiot that doesn't know Superman's got a mom? It's super contrived, you can clearly tell they wrote the fight first and then wrote whatever around it.

[@apophis7712]

@@alejoSOTOful Batman literally mentions Superman having parents too before the whole Martha stuff

[@uosdwiSrdewoH]

Apart from "because Lex Luthor" why did they shave his head before he went to prison? He wasn't joining the army. There's no grooming requirements required to go to prison. Then at the end of Justice League he still has a shaved head. Why didn't he grow it back?

[@lotsoflogan49]

Lex probably just liked how he looked with no hair lol

[@deadlyfremen7447]

You know superman is powerful when he can fry eggs without a shirt on.

[@benbovard9579]

@@onion_wind Yeah, I'm 95% sure they were rubber

[@hellojari07]

@@onion_wind yea, I actually paused the vid to type

[@ruthielalastor2209]

You know Superman is so powerful he turned the eggs into rubber.

[@JJJ-uo2xb]

Fun fact, the stove wasn't even on. Those eggs were cooked just off of Supes' hotness.

[@v-trigger6137]

those eggs looks like plastic lol

[@grennbalze]

That Lex Luther little sounds cut was all i need to see from this movie

[@FoxTashikata]

"He drinks, does cross fit. He does it all!" How to be like Batman

[@phillyphilly__lii5653]

“I hate all the weird noises he makes” *Ben does his thing*

[@LeonHorsman]

“A drunk fight in the parking lot ” is the perfect summation of this movie. It’s just two blokes, blind to the pleas of their friends saying it’s not worth it, clumsily kicking and punching in the middle distance until a bouncer breaks them up and they team up to kick the shit out of him. I don’t know who Wonder Woman is in this allegory but the Martha moment is that moment when you’re absolutely shit-faced and tell your mates you love em. That Martha scene in general makes a lot more sense if you imagine them pissed

[@mohammedjawahri5726]

this is gold

[@mrcritical6751]

Wonder Woman is the T-total friend who’s not drunk and has to help out when they start beating the bouncer

[@stanleyc2978]

@@mrcritical6751 *when the bouncer starts beating both your friends

[@dahakaguardianofthetimelin4780]

Shall I direct you to the nearest 3 hour long "analysis" video about how the Martha scene makes perfectest of senses if you read Infinite Crisis and Batman #171 which destroys haters with facts, stone-cold, hard-hitting truth, and logic? Because there are lots of those videos, you know... -_-

[@anubusx]

😆😆😆

[@artnessbyjustinbrown]

This didn't come up in the video so I thought I'd toss it here: it might be old-fashioned DC comic fan of me but I could never stand or get over the fact that Lex Luthor just *knows* both Batman and Superman's secret identities. He just HAS that information. We don't see him figure it out, we don't learn HOW he ever figured it out, the movie just all of a sudden is like "oh yeah by the way, Lex knows who both of these guys are". Which makes it feel pointless that they were ever hiding their identities in the first place?? And by not-showing us any scene(s) wherein he earns that knowledge, it does nothing to make Luthor seem actively more dangerous. They might as well just say Luthor was born with a super power where he can figure out someone's identity because that's just as hollow.

[@emanuel6693]

If you have not realised secret identities aren’t cool anymore. They worked before, but lately it’s better off if you don’t refer to them a lot

[@Fenris30]

You didn't see the facial recognition software being used on Diana when Bruce was looking through Luthor's files?

[@chrisgreig98]

He has shit on Lois Lane. What did she spend most of Man Of Steel doing? Finding out who Superman is... As for Batman, it's not difficult to follow a car to its hiding place if you can afford the technology to lure him out and then track it.

[@wrestlinganime4life288]

@@emanuel6693 Wrong. It depends on how you handle it.

[@heartless604]

@@Fenris30 luthor hacked a alien spaceship but sure lets get hung up on how he figured out the two most obvious identities.

[@yellowunit9872]

I honestly cannot believe how long this movie is, it feels like I’m watching paint dry, and halfway through when the music starts building up and lex Luther is making doomsday, everyone’s running about barman’s discovered the league, Lane has figured the mystery out, and I check the time expecting to find the climax, and there’s still bloody ONE HOUR AND TWENTY MINUTES LEFT

[@floydharper1216]

Lol this is the only movie I can think of where I spend most of the running time feeling like nothing's happening, then get to the end feeling like they crammed in too much

[@dylanburton4955]

@@floydharper1216 Batman V Superman should have come much later, there should have been a Man of Steel sequel, a Batman film, maybe even a Wonder Woman film then do Batman V Superman, so much wouldn’t have had to be crammed in if they did it like that

[@loosenup8152]

@@floydharper1216 Its funny because alot of people think they didnt put enough and wanted clark fleshed out more, I watched it again today and it was honestly not too much.

[@RingoLoadagain]

"Individual sequences being awesome but as a movie it doesn't hold together" are my general thoughts exactly about this film.

[@godzillawithacomputer4045]

“Toothy tadpole” is probably the best description of that “doomsday” I’ve heard

[@LoganBluth]

He's a cave troll. He looks almost identical to the cave troll from LOTR. Well...., if the cave troll got REALLY into CrossFit: images.app.goo.gl/1LaxPYzUAShw1TxE6

[@t84t748748t6]

the could have called it bizaro and it would make more sens to me

[@capital_beaz4725]

#NotMyDoomsday

[@The_Backman]

@@LoganBluth Fancy meeting you here

[@wjhull]

As Freud famously said, "sometimes a jar of piss is just a jar of piss."

[@Water_Me_Loan]

Well Said.

[@jljl5449]

I dunno... this more "sh!tty" imo

[@EsotericTherapy]

I got that: I understood that reference (she says with her certificate of psychoanalytic theory finally proving relevance).

[@MrNickster115]

“I’m sure they’re gonna be fine” -Zack Snyder as he watches Batman murder a bunch of dudes

[@sujimayne]

He's being sarcastic, kid

[@rohithpotana356]

@@sujimayne thanks for that genius observation, sherlock

[@Anshumansahu23]

@@rohithpotana356 shut up say that to Christopher Nolan and Tim button who killed thousand of criminals but you clapped for him..

[@thegrayyernaut]

@@Anshumansahu23 Nolan's Batman didn't murder anyone as far as I know.

[@funeemunkyTV]

@@thegrayyernaut He let Ra's Al Ghul die. He also outright just kills Harvey

[@ANewShadeOfBlue]

You know, I think I've done something no one's ever done in researching this movie. I read Clark's obituary. Apparently, he's an award-winning journalist. It brings up so many more questions to light.

[@incredibilistic]

I know it's insanely nitpicky but does Clark have a degree in journalism? The guy goes from working on a fishing boat to bussing tables at a diner to a digger on an excavation site and finally as an award-winning journalist at the local newspaper. Oh yeah, and he doesn't recognize the richest man in town.

[@ANewShadeOfBlue]

It’s a heck of a career path, that’s for sure. I guess Lois just has that kind of pull.

[@incredibilistic]

@@ANewShadeOfBlue -- Even with her clout he'd still have to be a decent journalist to keep his job as this version of Perry doesn't seem to be the kind that suffers fools. But this exchange has me thinking: for all of Superman's powers he's not super smart. Aside from leaping tall buildings, speed of a bullet and power of a locomotive there's nothing in the Superman mythos that speaks to his ability to out-think his opponents. That moniker is usually associated with Batman, who's normally regarded as the world's greatest detective (something he fails to be in the Snyder universe) but Superman is by all accounts a man with god-like powers but not any smarter than the AverageMan. In fact it's usually Lex Luthor who outsmarts Superman on a regular basis. But maybe that's part of Superman's appeal. He's certainly not dumb but his powers, for as great as they are, don't extend to his comprehension or intellect.

[@ANewShadeOfBlue]

If you want to dive into other continuities, there are a few that also depict him as super intelligent, but the appeal for me was always that he’s basically an average small town guy who likes to help people, and he just so happens to have the power of a god. I don’t remember which incarnation it was, but in one story Clark admitted that the reason he loves journalism so much is because writing is one of the few things he doesn’t have a natural advantage in. He takes more pride in being a good reporter than being Superman because he feels the former was earned. I think that’s the reason I was disappointed by BvS. I was hoping to get more insight into Clark as a person instead of just a symbol or an allegory.

[@loosenup8152]

@@incredibilistic Its funny because superman has at least 8th level intellect so he technically the smartest being on earth if not one of the smartest, He probably views our technology as primitve especially when he sees what krptons were using but yeh for the plot he cant be smarter than cerain guys otherwise they would be useless.

[@JonStark117]

*Can we get a 👏🏽 for Ben’s editing?!* *Guy consistently kills it!*

[@paragonjones13]

👏

[@user-gw3bs2in5i]

👏

[@CWargh63]

Can we talk about Zack's fetish for showing spent shell casings bouncing off the ground in slow motion? It happens in all his movies...A LOT.

[@bigstunna2049]

Even in 300 he drops his shield and sword in slow motion and it bounces

[@pleasesignintowatchthisvid6724]

Looks cool af though

[@Getwright-]

Its because Zack is a human affliction t-shirt thats been allowed to direct movies

[@Scottallen0813]

Freekofnayture wow you Snyder fanboys are the worst first of all it’s called and opinion and second Zach can’t make a decent movie even when he tries his best so please don’t be rude because your director is garbage

[@pleasesignintowatchthisvid6724]

Snyder is more of a visual director, his movies may suck but they look really good, i think that if you give him a really good script, he'll make a great movie.

[@ZombieMaster420]

Maybe the jar of piss was really Zach Snyder's way of telling the true fans how to make it through all of his excessively long movies without having to leave the theater

[@jonathanstern5537]

I didn't like this movie, but what I fucking hate is people who like the movie saying, "Oh, you're just too stupid to get it." And, I'm like, "This isn't high intellectual stuff. This isn't a fucking arthouse film. This is a movie that spells every little thing out for you. It's just a bad movie."

[@TayloredRedWing]

They’ve convinced themselves a turd is an artisan Snickers bar

[@KaelynWondell]

The Ultimate Edition is definitely better than the standard edition. That being said, both aren’t great but the Ultimate Edition definitely helped me like it more

[@jesperalber86]

I wasnt that fond of Theatrical Cut - but I really love the UE

[@WillWright-lx4hf]

Why? the ultimate edition add like 2 extra cgi shots of blood, a shot of batman's ass, and a few scenes with Louis lane with a bullet.

[@Amory-wd3ws]

William Wright Also Clark investigating Batman and actually having a reason to want to stop him.

[@shwy3626]

William Wright The ultimate edition did clear up major plot holes in theatrical cut, such as how superman was framed, how superman did not see the explosive in the court house and shots of clark kent in Gotham actually being a journalist and displaying his growing feud with a batman who crossed the line he swore he world never cross. My only problem with the film is Lex luthor’s performance and the fact that Batman kills

[@DivvayKhatri]

@@WillWright-lx4hf more fledged out Africa scene which makes it sensical, more character development for Clark along with providing him motivations against batman, more fledged out lex's plan and more proof that batman is broken and different and also the fact that he's changed. I call that huge improvement. I love the ultimate edition

[@thejmeister]

They should explain Clark Kent's return as him being Clark's identical twin, who is also called Clark, then never mention or allude to it ever again.

[@kryoboy1966]

😂😂😂😂lmfao

[@hellojari07]

yes, pls

[@PeterG00000]

His twin brother Armin Tamzarian.

[@DOCAHK1]

I say just give em different glasses & No1 will know it's him 😂

[@peshwa4760]

I read it in Zack's jl Lois lane introduces Clark Kent as Superman to perry

[@shaynevalencia3865]

To me the biggest problem with a Batman that mercilessly kills random thugs is why on gods earth hasn’t he killed Joker?

[@Anshumansahu23]

Because he started killing after destruction of metropolis ....

[@dylanburton4955]

@@Anshumansahu23 Is that actually true thoigh? Cuz the movie heavily implies that he went off the rails after Jason Todd’s death Even then I think Batman going all the way and actually killing is a bit too far and not something he can easily come back from

[@faz1483]

@@Anshumansahu23 Pretty sure it was more related to the death of Robin. And he was murdered by Joker so why not kill him instead of lesser criminals? And there was zero reason to blame Superman for the destruction of Metropolis. Zod invaded. Superman saved the world. Batman is really going to kill him because he got thrown into a few buildings lol?

[@sharko3211]

The line “I mean he’s 32, but he’s neeeww” kills me every time

[@loganboyd-so6yd]

I’ll never understand why they didn’t just turn zod into bizzaro instead

[@TIMMUT17]

Because the plan was to kill Superman so I guess they felt they needed Doomsday.

[@extonjonas6820]

that would have made more sense

[@davidornelas3326]

@@TIMMUT17 which was a stupid plan to begin with.

[@li-limandragon9287]

Cyborg Superman Michael Shannon would’ve been great.

[@faz6877]

@@TIMMUT17 Which Snyder has said that's not the "real" Doomsday lol. Which has to be covering for Doomsday looking like shit, and barley being a character yet killing Superman. Why would you have a "fake" Doomsday kill superman? But yes Bizaro would make more sense. This Doomsday is a cave troll from LOTR. It's shit

[@rodbarnes9624]

The editing is phenomenal Ben! The Lex Luthor noise cuts are hilarious. They turned a powerful, threatening villain(comics) into a cringey, live-action, Daffy Duck.

[@DivvayKhatri]

Oh he was threatening for sure though. Cause I remember a movie where he killed many government agents, blamed superman, blew capital building, framed superman, pissed off batman into fighting superman, blamed superman and in the end, killed superman

[@dennisjohansen8490]

No, they just exposed that he was a cringey Daffy Duck the whole time. The kind of threat that he exuded in the film was more akin to a sexual predator and rapist.

[@dennisjohansen8490]

@@DivvayKhatri But not because it made any logical or reasonable sense for any of that to happen because of his actions though. It only happened because the writer wanted it to happen. That is why this film left us scratching our heads so much. There were too many, "Wait... what?" kind of moments that the writer used to move the story along. The reason they are fighting makes no sense other than the writer wants them to fight. The reason they stop fighting makes even less sense other than the writer wanted them to stop fighting. Jesse Eisenberg as Lex Luthor was never threatening in the least in this movie. At least he should never have been a threat to Superman. The only reason he was is because Chris Terrio said he was. Not because it made any sense at all. He seemed more like he should have been a creepy serial rapist than anything else.

[@ScaryMason]

I assume that’s The Riddler. He stole Lex Luther‘s identity. The real Lex is played by Andre Braugher.

[@rodbarnes9624]

@@ScaryMason Yes! it makes so much sense for him to be the Riddler. This movie was SUCH a letdown, we ALMOST walked out. We are such fans of the comics and the animated series/movies, but the DC live action movies are in constant struggle-mode!! Zach Snyder should NOT have been given Superman to start the DCEU, Warner Bros. should've let him do a LOBO movie with his style.

[@terryqokov6999]

"He's still out there!" Hard cut to Tobey Maguire. Fucking killed me lol.

[@lillypadgett5226]

I thoroughly remember every detail of this film, yet didn't understand anything about it

[@pallavmishra686]

They made fun of the doomsday saying it ain't doomsday . It's coz Zoe's ship was only at 38 percent accuracy. That's the reason it was an abomination.

[@allasian452]

@@pallavmishra686 I keep on learning new things about this film lol. I originally thought it was because it's zod's body and not the real doomsday.

[@pallavmishra686]

@kavikiru kavikiru it ain't an excuse,it is what happened

[@Brychan1102]

Damn that Tobey Maguire edit KILLED me

[@saintniccage2818]

Stings doesn't it

[@Revilod]

@@saintniccage2818 speaking of stings, I'm gonna put some dirt in your eye.

[@saintniccage2818]

@@Revilod you're trash brock

[@rushaholic]

"If there's too much piss, somethings amiss!"

[@brayden3041]

Words to live by

[@Water_Me_Loan]

Top Ten Anime Quotes.

[@elijahdrake9113]

Eisenberg could’ve played a good riddler or a different villain in the dcu I think.

[@JOVONO]

Mad Hatter

[@NidorinoAlliance]

I love James under his breath going “YEAH” when Maso mentions Holly Hunter. And that zoom-in. It makes me also excited to see Holly Hunter in things.

[@Deathlygunn]

I remember going to the midnight for this with a friend, after the first five minutes (The death of the Wayne's and Bruce in Metropolis) she whispers in my ear (I love this film already), about fifteen minutes later she was struggling to stay awake, I've never seen a film unhook someone so quick.

[@faz6877]

Even though I didn't want to see the Wayne parents get killed again I remember thinking this looks really good. However as soon as Bruce starts rising with the bats I knew was in for trouble

[@anthonymartensen3164]

I dont care about the aesthetic of seeing his parents die if its stylized or what have you because its predictable. We already know his parents got killed...

[@shelbyvillerules9962]

Maybe that was just the Rohypnol kicking in.

[@erikt3162]

Hey I also went to the Midnight showcase it was bloody awesome. But I was letdown with JL they should have went with Injustice mixed with Darkseid . I was so tired the day after and my then manger gave me a half day off to leave early.

[@DrZaius_3]

I remember the first twenty minutes of this movie being awesome, then when Superman just let Jimmy Olsen die in Africa the whole film just took a massive nose dive.

[@niall0423]

The Lex Luther noise compilation was brilliant 😂

[@anubusx]

They need compiled into a dance complimation.

[@NoSuchThingAsLuck]

Would love it to be a seperate clip, just that minute of noises

[@Qu4troCoisas]

Another Excalibur reference: The Arthur's death by Mordred spear. Arthur push the spear though his own chest to reach Mordred with his sword. Superman did the same to kill Doomsday in the final climax.

[@wrestlinganime4life288]

Uhhh so deep

[@HelloThere-yy6lu]

Poetic, I love it.

[@doomstadt2371]

Cool, I bet if Arthur had a super powered lady 3 feet away that could probably do it better....well he'd wonder what a woman was doing on the battlefield because it was the middle ages....but once he got past that he'd hand it to her and have her kill Mordred lol

[@guilhermebezerra914]

Never expected you here

[@t0k3verse]

@@doomstadt2371 but WW was already close to Zodsday and restraining him. Did you want Superman to stop by her for a chat, hand over the spear (thus releasing the rope) and then go to battle?

[@k1llertoad]

Favorite dumb thing about the movie Lex Luthor know that clark kent is superman and Bruce wayne is Batman Superman knows Bruce wayne is Batman, we don't have a scene where we see him figuring it out but he calls him Bruce in the fight, so he might have figured it out around that party scene or whatever Batman (the world's greatest detective) doesn't knows he is being manipulated by Luthor and doesn't knows that Superman is clark kent

[@ttz4m3]

They should have given Bruce's motivation to Lex.

[@Akazainul]

Holy shit you're right. They should've just made Man of Steel 2

[@Water_Me_Loan]

They should have waited until after Zack Snyder's Justice League to make Batman vs. Superman.

[@alexanderforbes1452]

This is what I've been saying since this movie came out, cut Eisenberg Lex out of the movie, shave Affleck's head and call him Lex, you've just improved the movie in so many ways. You don't have all the weight of having to introduce and establish a brand new Batman and you don't have to have them be friends at the end. Lex makes a suit to fight Superman in the comics so you have to change almost nothing until the Martha scene which you conveniently side step entirely.

[@ttz4m3]

@@alexanderforbes1452I thought the same thing, even about turning armoured Batman into Lex in his power suit. You just have Martian Manhunter save Clark as Lex is about kill him with the kryptonite spear.

[@doctorhandsome]

YES. Luthor, in his best interpretations, is actually right about most things but has a few crucial personality flaws. He's basically Bruce Wayne but more egotistical and fundamentally selfish. The character is most interesting to me when Lex is actually heroic in a certain perspective, which the beginning of BvS would be the perfect set-up for.

[@Dongleoid]

I will always love Wonder Woman's entrance to the Doomsday fight. The music alone is amazing!

[@PeterG00000]

Yeah that's the only part of the film I actually like. You could take that scene and put it in a better movie and it'd be amazing.

[@li-limandragon9287]

DUNG DUNG DUNG DA DUNG DUNG DUNG

[@bigstunna2049]

It reminded me of the score from spy kids

[@Drawnartist]

Yeah I was so freaking hyped when she showed up I wasn like 🤩 her music is so kickass made me wanna cheer "fuck yeah!"

[@twstf8905]

I blame Chris Terio for most of the recent failed or underwhelming, "blockbusters." I mean,, Just look at his filmography, and that's the one thing that connects them all together in the same category.

[@MrGooner9000]

Honestly, he hasn't done anything good since Argo

[@Tobytyty101]

I mean I’d also attribute some of that to the directors. One of them doesn’t know how to make a condensed movie and the other doesn’t know how to finish what he set up. Plus both studios made the same mistake of poor planning.

[@GhostCodeRG]

"If i want my batman to get raped, hes gonna get raped" -zack snyder

[@Eris_Norregard]

... What?

[@shivampatel3003]

Totally wrong and out of context. He said that batman will get raped in prison in watchmen which he probably will watchmen universe is very dark

[@GhostCodeRG]

@@shivampatel3003 that literally makes it no better

[@li-limandragon9287]

@@shivampatel3003 Even in context it’s still totally wrong.

[@Al-zj9di]

"Superman should've gone *sniff* *sniff*.... there's a jar of piss in here"

[@tonythepokemonguy751]

That’s Superman’s most powerful of all powers

[@CWargh63]

Although, maybe he smells every full bladder and unflushed toilet in a 5 mile radius ALL THE TIME. When you think of all the things he would have to concentrate on ignoring because of his heightened senses, I'm certain he's very happy to be a fictional character.

[@benjibirner5927]

I like that in this scenario he even identifies the jar by smell. “That’s not just piss...that’s a JAR of piss.”

[@maxhydekyle2425]

I vividly remember that before the movie came out Snyder said the worst change that fans will complain about is that Gotham and Metropolis are next to each other. No one cared about that. I don't think I heard a single complaint about that.

[@SimonBuchanNz]

Aren't they quite close most of the time? I mean, it's a bit silly, but it happens in the real world...

[@R_A120]

It was an early sign though that they were going to rush this movie, they only did that so they can conveniently have B and S interact throughout the movie easily by shortening the distance between them But you're right after the movie came out it was a tiny complaint compared to everything else lol

[@dammagrilla]

That's disturbing... pretty sure they're actually pretty close in the comics...

[@maxhydekyle2425]

@@SimonBuchanNz Apparently Metropolis is in Delaware and Gotham is in Jersey.

[@mrcritical6751]

They’re sister cities in some continuities and are separated by a bridge in the Lego DC universe

[@RealCarlosPerez]

“Just smuggle it in mate” 😂😂😂

[@sageoz9886]

The reason Superman is doing things uncharacteristic is because Zack. He would, young or old, immediately realize that the fight is near a population and would bait Zod into outer space, far from any possible unavoidable collateral damage, as per his incredible self and situational awareness and his upbringing favoring a strong moral obligation and empathy for all human life. I could see him taking out Zod as a last resort to save a kid and his dad, but needlessly ramming a human, armed with the equivalent of a squirt gun through walls to a crushing death is definitely a Zack “ how do I make Sups flawed ?’ thing

[@Sword_Man_YT]

Despite the fact that I love the opening sequence of Batman v Superman, they should have replaced Jack with Lucius Fox...

[@Phantom8941]

I've debated that with myself before as well and am conflicted as while Lucius would be a great pick, he is typically a holdover associate of Thomas's and around his age. With Bruce at about 45 in this that would make Lucius ancient and unlikely to still be around in a serious day-to-day managerial position. A good compromise could have been Luke Fox, but that hits on the same issue as the audience doesn't know him, then again I suppose a way could have been worked in for someone to call him Mr. Fox in addition to Bruce calling him Luke (it could actually substantially add to it as that would mean they'd have been childhood friends who grew up together); but all in all this has never really bothered me to much as it's a pretty minor nitpick.

[@Sword_Man_YT]

Martin Sevcech Exactly, they should have chosen somebody the audience already knows about. That would have made it even more compelling, whether it was Lucius Fox or not.

[@nlg070301]

And then everyone would have got mad that they killed Lucius Fox straight away, like they did with Jimmy Olsen getting shot...

[@Sword_Man_YT]

nlg070301 I know right

[@sidecharacter3193]

nlg070301 at least there would’ve been a reason for it to be lucuis. Unlike jimmy who’s name was just jimmy because reference

[@ilikepiesfromjo]

26:04 "I think he was just like, it's a cool visual". Zack Snyder in a nutshell

[@Siresly]

I appreciate the work put in by your editor to achieve ridiculous nonsense like the segment of weird Luthor noises. Good stuff. 6:52

[@BirgitProfessional]

Fun fact: I started listening to your podcast some weeks ago during work and I'm currently in the "Shia LaBeouf news" era. It's very funny in hindsight, all those crazy expectations and movie lineups that ultimately didn't quite pan out that way.

[@Wyeuca]

The music during the "jar of piss" conversation is amazing.

[@donaldkjohnson9415]

Game grumps fans: *Macho madness flashback*

[@deadlyfremen7447]

Is it mario?

[@BenFromCanada]

@@donaldkjohnson9415 Never not thinking about Macho Madness

[@pierson9728]

batman v superman is 2 1/2 hours of the exact cinematic tone with which michael keaton screamed “you wanna get nuts”

[@eternalblessing4984]

At least Ultimate Edition was decent.

[@MrGooner9000]

@@eternalblessing4984 Better, not decent. Still trash

[@eternalblessing4984]

@@MrGooner9000 It's all a matter of opinion.

[@MrGooner9000]

@@eternalblessing4984 Yeah fair enough

[@android19willpwn]

@@eternalblessing4984 nah, it turns out that when you take a film which is fascinating for the immaculate pace at which it makes baffling, terrible decisions, and you tack on a bunch of extra runtime, the whole thing just collapses into a boring slog.

[@spiderdan8820]

Mason’s whole argument about the Excalibur allegory is absolutely on point. Also, the Dark Knight Returns is everything this movie should have been

[@Titamiva]

24:21 Flashpoint movie came, Flashpoint movie went.

[@Wyeuca]

"It's just piss, I think." -Mason

[@Wyeuca]

"It's still just piss! The politicians love piss!" Mason This was a fantastic Caravan of Garbage.

[@bourwaz]

I look forward to the H8 Mail But The Hate Has A Eight In It that this video will create.

[@hotelmario510]

They punch for a bit.

[@IamBrixTM]

Then they're mates

[@blueapple1686]

The fact that lex luthor put his computer database with all his secret information next to office kitchen, without guard at all is reference to how mister krab put his secret kraby patty next to his kitchen And bruce come there poking his usb easily then stealing it with the help of alfred is references to how genius plankton in spongebob series where he steal krabby patty formula with the help of his computer wife karen

[@garfieldarbackle3363]

Spongebob is made for kids. So you're basically saying that particular scene in BvS has the logic of a fucking kid show?

[@ponticpg1295]

Because he wanted to steal it lol didnt you watch the movie?

[@codybarlik4524]

@@garfieldarbackle3363 exactly

[@augustinthewakeofdawn1788]

my favourite part of bvs is that lex luthor hides the wheelchair bomb behind some lead so that superman doesn’t see it... despite the fact that in neither that movie nor man of steel is it established that this superman can’t see through lead? like how did lex know clark’s powers better than clark?

[@cill521]

It is established there you donkey

[@TIMMUT17]

X-rays don't work through lead. It doesn't need to be stablished because it's in the name "X-ray vision".

[@internetgoat4831]

Because X-rays can't pass through lead. That's probably your long time awaited establishment you wanted to hear

[@neilbreen371]

The story picks up right after MOS ,was it established that the people know superman has the ability to see through objects and specifically XRay vision

[@TIMMUT17]

@@neilbreen371 The general public might not know, but it's not a long stretch to think Lex Luthor found out. After all, X-rays are radioactive and probably not that hard to detect by a guy like Lex, not to mention he had acces to the kriptonian ship and was able to study Zod's body for a long time.

[@davidmagill3099]

Not an apologist for this film at all but I’ve always perceived the “I thought she was with you” line as batman assuming that Wonder Woman was Kryptonian since her and superman have similar powers.

[@JustKrin]

But he never saw her in action did he? He only saw the picture, since weren't like 100 years that she was inactive? Or he thinks that longevity is another kryptonian superpower?

[@davidmagill3099]

Krin I assumed since she dropped out of the sky in a super suit with and ancient sword and shield willing to fight doomsday? I might just be putting my own thoughts into it

[@hevykevy316]

That's a really good shout.

[@cgarciahfcu]

No, I think the simple truth is that it was a great line for the trailer so they just kept it in the movie. In the context of the trailer, it was a great line. But for the movie, it's bad.

[@davidmagill3099]

cgarciahfcu okay👍🏻

[@famebrightstudio451]

This movie was more Punisher vs Homelander

[@danieldixonii6367]

The Eisenberg Lex Luthor is a threat only to himself. Oh, and the movie sucks.

[@herosshade2247]

"If there's too much piss, there's something amiss" More wit and intelligence in this one line than the whole movie

[@thabongnkosi]

That “there’s a jar of piss in here” line’s the hardest I think I’ve ever laughed in a good minute wow. Good stuff James

[@Luke_Go]

Spiderman did more talking as a "cameo" in Civil War than Superman talked in this movie with Superman in it's name.....

[@nouh3053]

In the theatrical cut sure, Ultimate Edition Clark is actually doing reporter stuff and has things to do.

[@nouh3053]

@Pranav M It's not the directors fault that the studio wants to cut their movie down.

[@raulcasarez2150]

@Pranav M that’s great and all but that’s just your opinion lol BvS ultimate edition definitely fleshed out more of Clark’s perspective in the film while also showing us how Lois figures out lexs plan which is good. Bro civil war is only like 30 mins less than this film your making it sound like there’s a whole 2 hours more lol.

[@CommanderShepard-wq3wo]

@Pranav M yet you act like there isn’t a Snyder hater fan base out there. A fan base that made fun of the mans adopted daughter after she committed suicide. Which is just flat out disgusting. He may have had some slip up but to me he more than makes up for them in truly enjoying what he does. You can see the glee in his eyes when he talks about his movies. You may not like them, but one can appreciate his enthusiasm. Everyone who has worked for him has said he’s one of the nicest directors any of them has ever worked with. Despite knowing people out there hate him, he still keeps on living, smiling and treating others with love. Also, he finished The Snyder Cut without getting paid so the fans can finally see what it was meant to be.

[@ricospanish7977]

Sometimes I feel like this is an alternate timeline because Batman's parents were killed watching the movie mask of Zorro

[@darkstar932]

The Dark Knight Returns AND the Death of Superman in the same movie, in back to back scenes. All this before the Justice League even exists. WHYYY?

[@KamilDevonish]

Snyder, like JJ, hails from the 'bombard them with stuff' school of filmmaking.

[@JustKrin]

Plus New 52, and a weird Flashpoint/Crisis Flash, and the New Gods tease

[@DivvayKhatri]

Maybe because they have other plans for jl? They were actually going injustice for justice league 1 but now we'll get it in jl 2 or 3 who knows. I don't mind using these story lines like this as long as it's something new and sensible. I also appreciate the realistic approach

[@li-limandragon9287]

It might be the only comics they've read just because they were edgy.

[@darkstar932]

@@JustKrin I didn't even know about those. It's waaay too much.

[@MicoDossun]

I always say that there should’ve been a Man of Steel 2 that addresses the Metropolis stuff and Superman’s personal ethos to learn to not kill and to inspire hope. That way by the end of the movie you can establish that the citizens love Superman (maybe make the final villain a Metallo or something and superman saves the day without any destruction). Then you can totally understand Superman’s side so that the BvS conflict can be established based on a deeper understanding of the characters

[@mrcritical6751]

Issue was Zack never wanted to show the heroes as heroes, he wanted to depict them at the worst points of their lives and with their morals destroyed to set up a Injustice style story

[@R_A120]

Thats totally what they should have done, you could rework the movie and combine Lex and Batmans character into one guy, then have the wheelchair dude a more fleshed out character and eventually become metallo for the end of the fight, then have Bruce Wayne as a cameo interacting with Lex towards the end of the movie or something and set up a more fleshed out B&S movie.

[@MicoDossun]

Mr Critical well here’s my view on that. At the end of this theoretical Man of Steel 2 the world sees Superman as a god and a beacon of hope and all that. Batman’s conflict can be something like “if the people see you as perfect they’ll follow you even if you do something evil and it’s one bad turn away from fascism” which I think is still sorta in line with Batman’s line of reasoning in this movie before it becomes a pissing match of miscommunication. Cause nothing makes it less satisfying than it being a fight Lex set up than a legitimate fight of their personal morals.

[@MicoDossun]

R A I say keep Lex in the background of Man of Steel 2 but have him build Metallo and the bullet Lois is inspecting in BvS is actually a piece of Metallo left over after Superman destroyed him that brings her back to LexCorp in a more meaningful way

[@raymondmadrid]

@@mrcritical6751 and wb executives too the wanted so bad to catch up with the mcu

[@redgrizzly1492]

Zack Snyder seems like a guy who's better suited to be a cinematographer than a director/writer. Visually, a lot of his work is impressive. But he tends to miss the point of his own stories/characters/source material. He needs to work with someone who understands character, plot flow, set-ups and pay offs, dialogue, the works. That way, he can focus on making everything look cool, while a more competent director spearheads the overall creative direction of the film.

[@amazingspidermew]

That Weird Noises montage reminded me of what I imagine a Cardi B song to sound like.

[@anubusx]

As a fellow wheelchair user i found the exploding wheelchair scene really funny.

[@ChidorivsRasengan3]

That caught me off guard 😂 but I wasn’t laughing

[@darrellgardner4561]

BvS had some decent ideas. But they tried to cram 5 different movies into one: Batman Vs Superman, Lex Luthor being introduced, Justice League, Doomsday/ Death of Superman. The initial idea of Lex Luthor tricking Batman and Superman into fighting is good. Lex figuring out both of their secret identities off screen before his appearance is kind of dumb. This version of Lex is awful, and they try to justify it by saying "no no.. this is lex Junior", why would I want that? Why give me a character who is in no way similar to the original, but expected to fill the same role.If you have to have the justice league tie in, just make it a post-credits scene. Doomsday should have either been Man of Steel 2, or the focus of Justice League ending in Supermans death, that way the characters who know superman could realistically be shocked by it. Not a big fan of the "this is a batman who kills", that defeats the whole purpose.. Also if they had focused more on setting up a real reason for Batman and Superman to fight, and had previous fights (like had been mentioned, where batman realizes he is no match). It just feels like they tried too hard to both set up a cinematic universe, which never works when ever someone tries too hard to force it, and catch up with marvel. I'm not saying Marvel is the only formula that can work, but it is the only one that has worked so far. You cant jump straight into the big team up movie. It is a long process, but seems to have worked out pretty well for marvel. You don't have to do a movie for every single character, but you cant have a Superman move, then a Batman/ Superman crossover (with very forced character introductions), then the big team up.

[@DivvayKhatri]

It's a storylinr and a character from the dark knight returns, a character from superman 52 and another from superman birthright (lex), a storyline called the death of superman. 2 storylines and use of 3 comics is a lot? Idk what's dumb in lex finding out the identities. I don't care about lex a lot. I thought he was new and a breath of fresh air but nothing special at all. Doomsday showing up in this movie only disturbs it cause you know who he is. It's not your fault that you know the comics, but it is your fault that you think this is I'll timed. This is not what the writers wrote. This is what happened in the universe. Do you cry the same way when something odd or different happens in mcu? As for batman, he does kills some times in tdkr but I don't care. His core is still present and he's defeated, and dealt with shit ton of stuff. It's in the dialogues and more fledged out in the ultimate edition. And he does come back in the end after Superman's sacrifice inspires him. As of jumping straight into a team up movie, jl for me is not canon cause it's shot and the Snyder cut (3.5-4 hours long) is coming. I'll judge it there and then but it is no rule to follow the marvel formula of timelines. Btw batman was introduced properly in bvs itself

[@codybarlik4524]

It’s Zack Snyder and WB trying to desperately catch up with marvel. They want to go balls to the walls with cameos and character introductions and set ups for other movies that are never going to happen. They focus on making sure they can jam all that shit in as opposed to making sure it’s well written and introduced in a coherent and meaningful way. Imo, they should’ve started the DCEU with a justice league movie as a quick intro to main players, focus on having them learn to work as a team while they fight steppenwolf. Then work on giving them their own movies that flesh them out eventually coinciding to darkseid arriving on earth and them testing the limits of their abilities and trust in one another. But instead they wanted to copy marvel but RUSH to get there

[@dylanburton4955]

@@DivvayKhatri There should have been a Man of Steel 2, a Batman solo film and a Wonder Woman solo film and then Batman V Superman. There would be more time to get to know all the characters before this crossover. The Batman solo film would have been a good way of showing how he became the more brutal version of himself The death of superman feels very unearned because we haven’t really spent much time with this version of Superman and it feels rushed to do it straight after his first solo film All those comics could have truly great live action adaptions but here it’s just so half arsed and crammed in with so much other stuff, his death could have been easily avoided too. Wonder Woman could have easily done it, an easy fix for that would be for Wonder Woman to just not be in the film or have her be knocked out by Doomsday

[@Whiteythereaper]

The Lex noises compilation sounds exactly like scrolling through the sound effects menu in a Smash Bros game

[@MightyMurloc]

I saw this in cinemas in a Man of Steel/BVS double bill. In the brief intermission between movies after Man of Steel I turned to my friend and said "Isn't it strange that both their mothers are called Martha?" and about 2 hours later I was vindicated. I laughed heartily at what was meant to be a dramatic scene and no doubt ruined the movie-going experience of several other patrons.