BATTLE OF SEKIGAHARA - Historical Battles - Total War: Shogun 2!

[@fabianustertius6460]

first time i tried i win on legendary, i nearly has a heart atack when i hear the traition, my ignorance of this battle nearly cost me victory

[@Arcanyum]

just like the real deal

[@tacobanana6491]

Donkeys hate water confirmed. Even the smart ones.

[@loveyuiz]

Kudos to Sakon and Yoshitsugu for standing their ground to the end

[@GeassEnabler]

This was a weird battle because you have to flip it for the historical losers. Great job as always

[@Real_British]

You know what they said: history is written by the winner

[@baseplate7566]

dude most of the historical battles is flipped like the battle of kawanakajima

[@TriggeringOpinionsandFacts]

The losers lose because they were outmaneuvered before the battle started , makes perfect sense to have us play as them instead. Ieyasu won before the fight began with his political maneuvering. It’d be less fun to come crashing down as ieyasu and having most of your enemy’s flanks leave or join your side. Brilliant stuff

[@BlaidWhiteYo]

Yeah in Napoleon they only flipped waterloo and again it was the only battle you could play as another faction than the french.

[@Muinko]

"Hasnt tried it yet"... I dont believe you. I have tried Kizugawaguchi recently and know how frustrating it is.

[@MrSmartDonkeyLP]

Believe it or not, I don’t care, I know it’s the truth. I know how frustrating it is too as I tried it many times in the past, which I’ve mentioned times in this series, including in this video if I’m not mistaken.

[@Peter_Griffaaa]

Kizugawaguchi = EZ game, heroic victory is a challenge

[@kapitan19969838]

Oh crap, You've triggered Donkey..

[@mytong5338]

Great flight.

[@Hell_O7]

I think you can put your Yari ash near the Kobayakawa general before they betray you, though I'm not sure if it actually worth it since I got way too easily overwhelmed against the early cav attack (I'm bad at micro), and I don't really notice that much change in their morale though that one might just be me.

[@lotifreons]

"Yey. So happy." Awesome battle!

[@peterpeperoni1682]

the betrayal was happning no matter what and if u were smart u could use greens units by luraing the enemny to them

[@pramanixx8427]

I'm a noob lol. I brought all of my troops on the left side of the mountain and the cavalries towards Tokugawa.

[@rizalalbar]

Finally, you made the sekigahara. I was worried it gonna take a little bit longer for you to upload. I enjoy this series for a moment. Any chances you will do the same with other total war? Like three kingdoms, rome 2, or attila?

[@MrSmartDonkeyLP]

It was supposed to go up last night but KZbin messed up the processing so I had to re-upload it.

[@rizalalbar]

@@MrSmartDonkeyLP glad to hear it man.

[@lordy7227]

What a mess. I tried it also so many times on Very Hard. At least I managed to get all Units up to little hill. Than it was an easy foresthillfight.

[@darthunleashed]

In my playthrough of this battle, i moved ALL of my troops away from that donkey traitor kobayakawa 😂

[@kingnikolaj]

the naval battle by far the hardest (well maybe 'cause I never understood how naval battles works)

[@АлексейКозлов-щ4г]

It’s basically because you’re supposed to fight Portuguese tercios with fire bomb throwers, but on water. It’s hard because it’s dumb

[@alexdobma4694]

Even CA doesn't know how they work

[@Naraku-no-Hana-WE]

@@АлексейКозлов-щ4г Oops, didn't mean to delete my comment meant to edit it. But yeah, the battle is meant to be hard because the Oda ships are historically completely OP. the O atakabune also had cannon on top of emplacements for rifles, bows, firebombs, and iron plating to repel enemy fire. The Oda only lost two of their ships because the design was so completely over-the-top that they capsized them when they all focused on one side.

[@АлексейКозлов-щ4г]

@UCtHXtqeMml__IVdUVbwwZZQ I agree, but this dumb still. Yeah, you can also put defense of deconstructed Osaka castle in 1615 - historically one-sided and, with all honesty, unbeatable. But would it this be fun? Dunno. This is the same situation here - accurate, but just not fun unless you like to suffer

[@markeesmalamug4739]

I hope this changes your perception of katana cav haha but seriously tho I had some impossible victories because of katana cav. An upgraded katana cav with some experience can go 1 on 1 vs katana sam. It can route katana sam with around 1-2 deaths only.

[@dustinelias7840]

why didn't ca make the fight playable with the Tokugawa

[@SilvaaFabio]

It would be to easy, after Kobayakkawa defects Mitsunari couldnt do anything, the Mori didnt move, all Ieasu had to do is keep on pushing a weaker and broken army.

[@Naraku-no-Hana-WE]

@@SilvaaFabio given they what-if'd the Ishida side they could have done the same with Tokugawa. The battle was historically on a knifes edge for quite a while until Tokugawa ordered his men to fire over Kobayakawa's camp and spark the chain of defections. So just setup the battle so Kobayakawa makes up his mind and sides with the West instead.

[@dustinelias7840]

@@SilvaaFabio still makes more sense to play as the Tokugawa to me

[@guardiadecivil6777]

because the most famous battles are always about the historical losers, like in NTW, you fight as the french in the waterloo battle (although its possible to fight as the british but without the cutscenes). also it's more of a challenge for ishida since his generals were ready to backstab him at any moment

[@ignacio1171]

@@guardiadecivil6777 The difference with NTW is that the game is about following Napoleon and his battles. So it would be weird if you played as one of his generals for his most famous battles, and then somehow flipped in Waterloo. So the devs decided to make the final battle a "what if..." which I think is quite poetic since all the battles and campaigns you play to get there are the French ones, so you get a nice sweet ending.

[@kazekenji921]

man why we have to be historicallly innacurate on this battle

[@GundamRX-1]

Play this easy 4 times,but not once win damnit

[@manfredd36]

I'm just wondering if there's a mechanic that allows us or the ai to betray allies in the battle since they can do this in this battle

[@MrSmartDonkeyLP]

They do it in this one because that’s what happened in the actual historical battle, would be kind of weird if they allowed you to just change every battle by betraying people when historically that didn’t happen.

[@manfredd36]

@@MrSmartDonkeyLP but I heard in Medieval Total War you have the ability to betray allies in the battle.. Well if we want to talk about weird, commanding the western army to win is also weird since it didn't happen historically..

[@MrSmartDonkeyLP]

@@manfredd36 Ah, if that’s the case, maybe they just didn’t feel like adding it here, I still think it would be silly if they had that in historical battles which are meant to represent battles that actually happened.

[@manfredd36]

@@MrSmartDonkeyLP what i mean was, the betray allies option doesn't necessarily have to be in historical battles only, maybe they could restore it in custom battles or battles in the campaign..

[@sebastiantrt3676]

So will u do the other campaigns?

[@MrSmartDonkeyLP]

Kill me.

[@DaSaintDemon]

Hans Moleman. Didn't the Tokugawa win this battle?

[@SpaceKnight105]

my shogun game unit faces look ugly

[@taosanghiddenweapon5709]

Mitsunari deserved this victory dammit

[@Naraku-no-Hana-WE]

Um, not really. Nearly everything that transpired at Sekigahara was directly the result of Mitsunari's actions. He provoked so many of the lord's, failed to foresee any consequences for his behavior. Many felt he had no qualifications to lead the Western army, some described him as a glorified accountant who received far too much favor from the Toyotomi family. The only men that stood by him had extraordinary reasons to do so, such as Otani Yoshitsugu (who was something of a badass in this battle).

[@taosanghiddenweapon5709]

@@Naraku-no-Hana-WE Ehhh not enough steadfast loyal retainers I like him, maybe not his merit but he stood and died for his oath

[@Mrdonkeys]

You, my enemy i shall pass you one day.

[@taosanghiddenweapon5709]

change your name to Mrdulldonkey then declare war

[@butterflyspinart]

Why do you not use katana cavalry vs katana samurai?

[@MrSmartDonkeyLP]

Because I always try to get the best engagements possible, I’d rather they engage with an infantry unit of mine so I can charge them in the back and not lose my precious cavalry.

[@shadowwarriorshockwave3281]

Hmm

[@kapitan19969838]

Kawaii!