Battle of Talas, 751 AD ⚔️ Part 2/2 ⚔️ معركة نهر طلاس‎

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📢 Narrated by David McCallion
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📝 Sources:
Bartold, Vasily (1928). Turkestan Down to the Mongol Invasion (Trans. T. Minorsky & C.E. Bosworth)
Chen, Sanping (2012). Multicultural China in the Early Middle Ages
Golden, Peter B. (1990). “The Kharakhanids and early Islam” in The Cambridge
History of Early Inner Asia, vol. 1 (ed. Denis Sinor)
Hoberman, Barry (Sept/Oct. 1982). “The Battle of Talas” in Aramco World, vol. 33 no. 5
Ibn al-Athir, Ali (ca. 1231) The Complete History
Sima, Guang (1084). Zizhi Tongjian.
Soucek, Svak (2000). A History of Inner Asia
Starr, S. Frederick (2004). Xinjiang: China’s Muslim Borderland
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Those turks were probably ancient uygurs.

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They know what's up. 🐦 Bird teaching his son; "Watch these wingless things slaughter each other, we're eating good tonight!"

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@@mutolover3851 not related to this video but is there any other birds species other than Vultures that would gladly eat human corpse?

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[@HistoryMarche]

That's very kind of you. Thank you.

[@wisdomleader85]

What's interesting is that the Abbasid Caliphate sent troops to help Tang Empire suppress the An Lushan rebellion just 6 years after this battle.

[@HistoryMarche]

Indeed. Relations between the Abbasids and the Tang improved quite quickly. Embassies were exchanged soon after Talas and, as you said, the Abbasids sent aid to China.

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Sharing the silk road meant that all hostilities could easily be mended as both empires depended on the other for trade

[@HistoryMarche]

@@RexGalilae Yeah, the overall strategic value of the Silk road pretty much dictated relations

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Yes, after the battle a treaty was signed and both empires became friends.

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That conflict was mainly only business (silk road and control the turkic tribes of the region)

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I like the way of organizing the story, first a well detailed yet focused background, then the main event.. Good work on this one!

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Much appreciated!

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This battle literally felt like a game of chess, with both commanders having very similar troop types and deployment.

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and stuck in a "board" with limited flanking potential.

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Thank you sir for visiting the channel.

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Simple and sweet.

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The Battle of Talas has made us (The Muslim Ummah) prideful as we have beaten China very effeciantely.

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I wonder how that goes down when two armies call off battle for the day?

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I'm not sure, but this is probably not possible in our modern times

[@HistoryMarche]

Simply put, tiredness. Troops just kind of call it quits and the commanders basically have to organize an orderly withdrawal to rest everyone. Battles fought in hand to hand combat didn't go on non stop for hours. The battle did last for hours, but the fighting didn't. Namely, the troops would fight for a few minutes, break off, then shove each other a bit, yell insults at each other, then clash some more, etc. In addition, more disciplined armies (like the Roman army) would rotate troops in the front. So the front 1-2 rows would fight for 5-10 minutes and once their strength gave way they would rotate to the back, while fresh soldiers would step up front to take their place.

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@@HistoryMarche That sounds a lot more peaceful and organized than our times.. Our times you only see complete violence and destruction

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Glad you like them!

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[@salahddinebensebane8429]

When the estern world did have all superpowers of the world

[@HistoryMarche]

Yep, for most of recorded history these parts of the world were wealthy and powerful beyond belief. Heck, even a thousand years before Talas the Persians wrote about Transoxiana as being a region that would greatly benefit the empire, etc.

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Yes, For most part of the recorded history...

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China and India had all the stuff everyone wanted. And if you had gold and silver, you could get

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In many ways, the current state of the world, where power is concentrated in the West, is an anomaly For much of world history, the superpowers were mostly from the east

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I love that one primal scream

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One of the greatest battles!

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Sentiment of joy in glory remains fresh even today

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Epic stuff. Now I'm inspired to go back to my giant realistic map of Eurasia to do something similar but in Age of Empires 2 HD.

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@@BZY-bu9wr then they could have won on the first or second day only

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[@HistoryMarche]

Glad you enjoy it! Thanks for the visit.

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[@univmalik]

Can you please cover Battle of Marj al-Saffar 1303... This was a very critical battle between Muslims and Mongols

[@HistoryMarche]

Absolutely I will cover that!

[@aladdin8407]

HistoryMarche to be honest marj al saffar is one of my favorite battles , but funnily enough, not because of the battle itself , but because of the incredibly high tension religious and political drama that happened BEFORE the battle in Damascus, the panic of the damascus people over the mongols , the public disillusion , ibn taymiyah practically smashing himself into the mix in the boiling political situation, the princes and sultans arguing over what to do , questions raising about reinforcements failing to arrive thus abandoning damascus causing more panic, king Naseer Ad-Deen leading the battle against the mongols led by Noyan while being only around 18 years old and winning!! , all in great detail too , its quite astonishing, definitely movie or tv show material and that’s all before the battle, the battle itself certainly wasn’t uneventful too , Historically it has great implications, being the last battle that saw the Arabs fight the mongols , but if you cover it I really hope put focus on the high stakes / high tension drama in damascus that happened before the battle and the involvement of religious personalities like The imam ibn taymiyah who had a major role in the pre battle drama, not to mention he fought in it too , and hilariously he was involved in a delegation that was sent to Ghazan himself, all other religious clerics in the delegation were dead silent and terrified , except Ibn Taymiyyah who insulted ghazan to his face questioning his religiosity and calling him a oath breaker despite that he later managed to negotiate the release of muslims / non muslim hostages that ghazan has recently acquired, it sounds absurd but it happened and that’s why its one of my favorites Another one who had not just as much drama yet way more historical implications , was the battle of Manzikert led by Alp Arsalan who wore his death shroud and told his soldiers that “whoever wants to run away then let him run away , If I die then you shall bury me in this shroud” , he won the battle and ended up capturing the roman emperor romanus , needles to say the battle’s ramifications were unprecedentedly huge

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I like this format, one video sets up the scene, and one shows the battle

[@HistoryMarche]

Thank you very much.

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Narrator is giving us the feelings like we are in middle of the battle. 🔥

[@abdulmuqtadiral-rafae6979]

At the end of this video began the golden age of knowledge. When many scientists appeared and education began to spread fast

[@RexGalilae]

The recipe to make paper was discovered when the Abbasids saw the PoWs carrying them. They went on to be employed as expert paper makers in the empire, earning money while the empire prepared to change scientific discovery and learning forever Fascinating times

[@GoldsteinShekelbergSwartz]

Well it is refered as islamic golden age, not golden age of knowledge. Europe golden age of "knowledge" started later and Chinese and greeks "golden age" have already happend. When you have a big population and a big empire not having some scientist is quit strange. It is nothing new, and muslims treatet it like it is something spescial while many other civilizations have had longer and better "golden age" then them(Chinese, greeks, romans, indian and europeans). The diffrent we dont need to go back thousands of years to find sicentist of our tribe.(amoung Nobel prices and scientific papers)

[@GoldsteinShekelbergSwartz]

@Syed Ahmed "Idk about that. What constitutes knowledge has differed throughout history but in the Oxford History of Islam it states that there was no civilization that practiced as much philosophy and knowledge as Muslims prior to the advent of modern science." Esposito founded the Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding at Georgetown University in 1993 and is its founding director. The center received a $20 million endowment from Saudi Arabian Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal "to advance education in the fields of Islamic civilization. Direct funding from Saudi Arabian Prince. Nothing to see here. "Tony Huff states the same as well. The difference is, you have no history of science as Muslim empires led the world for 600+ years in this endeavor. Crying about today is not going to change history nor deny the future." Are you refering to Toby e. huff The Rise of Early Modern Science? He is a proffesor in Sociology. 25,5 % of those proffesors in USA are marxist and he is not even a historian. Have you read hes book, probably not since you could not even get his name right. Have I read the book? Nope. But if I have to read a book to see your argument then your argument is very bad. You can expect the other person to read huge amount of books to understand you comment. 99,999999% in the world have not read those three books you have named in your comment. Somebody dont know that the Easter roman empire is Christians or they cover it up. In the 200's, the Romans had what historians generally call "the Crisis of the Third Century." A collapsing monetary system, foreign invasions and civil wars threatened to tear the empire apart, and it's a miracle that Rome survived the Crisis at all. However, the empire that did survive was fundamentally changed, with trade networks in the west in particular being greatly weakened. The explanation for this is fairly straightforward: with the collapse in social and economic order, people didn't feel as safe travelling in the roads. In the east, this was somewhat offset by the greater return on investment - in the west, people stayed home much more, resulting in the beginnings of a system we now call feudalism. The Romans resolved the Crisis with a fairly dramatic solution: they divided up the Empire. Though it took a little while for the system to get worked out and stick, the bottom line is that the empire was split into western and eastern halves. The eastern half, containing Greece, Anatolia, Egypt and the Middle East, was much wealthier than the western half. When Romans ceased to be in control of various Roman institutions in the western half,the trade networks further deteriorated, leading to even greater wealth disparity. Here's the thing about scientific advancement: it is frightfully expensive and it is, to be blunt, a luxury good. It's something you take care of after you pay for the actual necessities of life, which explains why Alexandria, in the then-fantastically wealthy Egypt, was an important center of learning from the time of its founding until the High Middle Ages. Athens and Constantinople were also important centers - Paris and London, not at all. This was before the internet and movable type, so books were: The only means of communicating most knowledge Fragile and therefore difficult to move Expensive In other words, if you weren't where the advances were already taking place (the eastern half of the Roman Empire), you weren't where the books were, so you were operating at a disadvantage. This goes a long way in explaining why it appears that what was once the Western Roman Empire experienced a collapse in learning in the aftermath of Rome's fall. They didn't really - the effective knowledge subsidy from the east just ended and the west didn't have any good way of making up for that. And this wasn't all of Europe, either - the Eastern Roman Empire, which we now call the Byzantine Empire, was still in about as good a position scientifically as it ever had been. So this question really only makes sense if we ignore a rather sizable chunk of Europe. We shouldn't, so let's not. A lot of this goes back to the Enlightenment. Most Enlightenment thinkers you can name were from Britain, France, Germany and the Low Countries - which were some of the wealthiest countries in the 1700's. In particular, we want to look at Edward Gibbon, who wrote a hugely influential text called The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, where he: Blamed Christianity for the fall of the Western Roman Empire Generally spoke kind of derisively about the heavily Christian Byzantine Empire, whose name he also popularized This 1-2 punch was highly controversial at the time, and has come to be generally rejected by academia since, but has hit the big-time in popular consciousness because of how astoundingly readable Gibbon was and remains. It also comes from a time and place where Protestants, deists and atheists were making the arguments and were generally trying to undermine the authority of the Catholic Church, a body that they viewed as antiquated, corrupt or both. Saying that the Church was responsible for the Fall of Rome and the subsequent Dark Age, even though both the Fall and the Dark Ages were overstated, served those interests well. "Furthermore, people don’t make “science” in a vacuum. Please read the works of Thomas Kuhn in his book, “the structure of scientific revolutions”." vacuum : a space from which most or all of the matter has been removed, or where there is little or no matter I never did such claim. Thomas Kuhn A shift in professional commitments to shared assumptions takes place when an anomaly "subverts the existing tradition of scientific practice" . Maybe you shoul read it?

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@@GoldsteinShekelbergSwartz It seems you guy are both half right. There have been many golden ages. I mean once the USA collapses the west is probably not going to recover for quite some time. Time will only tell. I mean after the collapse of the Ming while the Qing were successful they didn't have as much innovation as the Ming did by comparison. Especially when you compare their populations. Most societies have at least 1 golden age. And very few have 2. Let alone 3 or more. In that regard you can argue Arabs under Islam have had only 1 long lasting golden age. Eastern Europe & Southern Europe under Rome. Western Europe under Pax Francia & Pax Britannia. North America under Pax Americana. But the 2030s and beyond are going to probably look increasingly alien to North Americans & Western Europeans. While from as far as I can tell the rest of the world will increasingly try to return to their roots.

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Øystein the modern science started with the Muslim golden age yes other golden ages were glorious but there achievements have little to do with the modern day.

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Those times Arabs were kickinggg asses hard like they even fight romans like who can fight with those guys XD

[@sultanmomenofzenata177]

its islamic armies not arab speacily with abbasid since they ralyed on persian a lot .

[@ehsan_iq]

Sultan Momen of Zenata the abbasid armies were arab at that time. Persians were never used heavily at that time. But after the Seljuks, the abbasids became dependent on turks.

[@houseplant1016]

@@sultanmomenofzenata177 No mostly Persian and Arabic.

[@ehsan_iq]

Ahmad Yussef there’s no proof of anything you’ve said. Look up the ethnic composition of the Abbasid armies before the rise of the Seljuks in academics links’s.

[@voices4oppressed]

Always love your fun detailed account of battles and histories 😍😍 love your channel mate!

[@HistoryMarche]

Thank you very much.

[@voices4oppressed]

@@HistoryMarche ooh I've seen you reply other people's comment but I never thought you reply mine😊 Well I very much love your work and I wish tons and tons of success in these journey and all your other endeavors!!! Much love Zakariyya❤️

[@HistoryMarche]

@@voices4oppressed Oh, that's very kind of you. Thank you for the good wishes. Cheers man! :)

[@voices4oppressed]

@@HistoryMarche Cheers and all the best!!! 😉👍👍🏽👍🏽

[@absurd7292]

We want more . Nice job💖💖

[@Omar-pe5gy]

Like before watching the video, you deserve this ,I am from Saudi Arabia.

[@HistoryMarche]

Thank you so much 😀 Glad you enjoyed the video.

[@ahmedw5]

Beautiful! I have always found this battle to be one of the most interesting in history. The far easterners and the middle easterners clash for supremacy over transoxania!

[@bahaamin8950]

Thankssss really appreciate your work.

[@HistoryMarche]

Thank you for watching.

[@Boric78]

Well done HistoryMarche - kicking arse today

[@HistoryMarche]

Haha, thank you sir.

[@ircoming]

I've been enjoying these kinds of stories about the past. if you can visualize them. I believe they can be more entertaining than famous series like GOT

[@ahmedsayd3202]

Well done 👏👏 Waiting battle of cannae and Al Qadusiyah 😊

[@hamadkhan4702]

I just love the way you speak.

[@AR-fr8br]

Excellent work.

[@gameland6764]

Best year for me 🇹🇷☝🏻

[@mc.1354]

😂

[@user-up1hv5ez2q]

In fact, Arab sources say that the two armies were equal in number. Each army numbered about 100,000 soldiers and 6 years after this battle, the Arabs and the Chinese became trading partners for a thousand years Thank you for this great production

[@EroticOnion23]

100,000 each? In a desert? 0.o

[@ahamki1]

they were at most 40,000 each if even that

[@lolasdm6959]

100,000? What did they drink?

[@muhammadrehan2779]

WELL I REALLY LIKE YOUR VIDEOS CONSIDER MAKING MORE VIDEOS OF THE CONFLICTS AND THE HISTORY OF CENTRAL ASIA, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO HAVE MORE OF THESE

[@DestinyKwT]

I love these vids man your team is awesome 👏

[@HistoryMarche]

Glad you like them!

[@romelnegut2005]

HistoryMarche, I get what you're saying by this being a tactical draw but I believe the Abbasids won a tactical victory. Yes, they didn't take advantage because of the different reasons that made a push to the East impossible but they stopped the Tang right on their tracks. I believe that the Tang Empire would have considered an invasion in the West sooner or later.

[@HistoryMarche]

I think what you meant is that the Abbasids won a "strategic" victory, which is true. The tactical victory didn't yield too many gains due to the situation both in China and within the newly formed Abbasid Caliphate. But the main gain was strategic for the Abbasids, because in the long run they were able to be the only real major power in Central Asia, thanks to the victory at Talas. They probably couldn't realize right after the battle just how significant it would be in the centuries to come. But, in history, timing is everything and it just so happened that the timing of the battle was tremendously good for the Abbasids, as no one else seriously challenged them in Central Asia for quite a while.

[@romelnegut2005]

@@HistoryMarche You understood my point and yes, given the fact that the former Caliphate lost every battle they fought against the Tang and the Abbasids were trying to recover from that civil war, no one would have taken seriously. The Abbasid commander was wise to draw that local tribe to his side, if that is true since the winners love writing the history as they see fit, which turned to be the decisive factor. Now, if those troops would have never got into battle alongside the Abbasids, do you believe that the Tang army would have won the battle because of their superior infantry or would the Abbasid cavalry would have been too much for the Tang mercenary cavalry to deal with, thus leading to the collapse of the entire line?

[@alfarabi73]

This "victory" for the Arabs in the Chinese historiography is a bit akin to how Poitiers is portrayed in Arab historiography: The winners have written about it as if it were epochal in relevance, but the losers have portrayed it as an insignificant, minor skirmish. There is a bit of truth in both perspectives, of course.

[@johnl.7754]

Romel Negut maybe for the Tang/Chinese it was not as important religiously to conquer/convert the area (they battled mainly for the country/ruler) vs for the Abbasids who fought/conquered for god/religion.

[@shadownight9956]

HistoryMarche funny that the person who put abbasids in power was a Khorasanian(Persian) commander and after that abbasids kills him and his son just because of some racism of Arab towards ajam(non Arabs) abbasids were more ruthless and treacherous than ummayids asking me abbasids timing to come in power was so lucky like until the their poor management got the better of them and their calaphite got degraded to ground until mongols came to finish them off

[@3OOF_7RB]

you do not have Religious or ethnic bias It lists history neutrally Thank you so much Your channel is great

[@qus.9617]

Agreed! And trust me it does have an affect on the comments themselves which is nice to see.

[@pacosmith3787]

quality content, it's so satisfying to watch your videos :D

[@HistoryMarche]

Glad you like them!

[@ramzibelghoul234]

Amazing video as always 👌

[@HistoryMarche]

Thank you so much 😀

[@Detroit911]

It remains today the only battle in history where an Arab empire directly clashed with the Chinese in a war of supremacy for the control of Central Asia..

[@stevemraz3883]

I believed in the first part of his video, the Tang Chinese had already defeated the Umayyad Arabians twice. This is the 3rd battle.

[@mohammadaminshahshahani3782]

Like all other revolutions, Abbasid revolution also devoured its children: Abu Muslim, Onceَ an Ally of Zyad ibn Salih and his superior, killed him and sent his head to caliph. The irony is two years later, Abu Muslim himself was beheaded by the next caliph.

[@SantomPh]

ambition overrides duty. The death of many an Empire, including the Tang.

[@murtd3268]

Keep um coming. Thank you good job

[@HistoryMarche]

Thank you sir.

[@flyman4226]

Nice job.... Continue