Battle of the Ports - Devil Crash (デビルクラッシュ) Show - 398 60fps

[@Midekai]

This was legitimately my father's favorite PC engine game. That did a really good job on the mega drive port!

[@RetroCore]

Your father had great taste in games.

[@afriend9428]

*Both are great but I like PC Engine more because of entire screen but that’s just mii* ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️

[@mid-jump_attack]

They should have sold it in the US uncensored. It would have been day time talk shows and in the news of what's ruining kids. I bet it would have sold like hot cakes.

[@RetroCore]

lol, it sure would have!

[@Septer_Sever]

I love the PC Engine chiptunes, but the stereo sound of the MD makes it sound more rich and full. That arranged version during the comparison was fire!

[@MagisterHamid]

The MD bass got a nice ooomph to it. Nice!

[@RetroCore]

It sure does thanks to Technosoft's sound driver.

[@KGRAMR]

This comparison is... a tough one but i'll summarize it. Both the PC Engine/TurboGrafx-16 and the Sega Genesis/Mega Drive versions have their pros and cons but that doesn't change the fact that Devil's Crush (a.k.a. Devil's Crash [MD], a.k.a Dragon's Fury) is one of the greatest pinball video games ever made!

[@RetroCore]

Well said and the fact that it is so good makes the follow up, Jaki Crush very disappointing.

[@philmason9653]

@@RetroCore Jaki Crush was such a letdown when I got it. When I first discovered it existed I was thrilled at the thought of a Crush game with the Super Famicom's audiovisual power behind it. But aside from a couple of cool elements (theme, ball animation) it just felt limp and kind of uneventful by comparison.

[@kathleendelcourt8136]

Both versions are great and must own for any pinball fan on their respective systems. I just like the Mega Drive version a little more because I'm a huge fan of all Techno Soft's soundtracks.

[@vebxenon]

Outstanding game in both versions 😍. I have its predecessor for Turbografx which I like you also 🙂

[@GamayObera]

I know this isn't much a secret, but the MD version includes music from other Technosoft games as extras: Herzog Zwei, Thunder Force II, III, Elemental Master and one PC88 game that I don't remember its name. Likely, Naxat wasn't interested on porting it to MD on its own.

[@WeskerSega]

Naxat Soft never did absolutely anything for the Mega Drive, aside from licensing this game to Technosoft. They started to get interest and involve themselves on Sega consoles with the Sega Saturn.

[@RetroCore]

Just as well because Naxat weren't the best.

[@WeskerSega]

@@RetroCore Well, I like what they did with their Technos game conversions for the PC Engine and PC Engine CD. Especially Double Dragon II for the PC Engine CD, which is the best version of the game in my eyes other than the strange music tracks it has, but I replaced that with the real music tracks (that is, the soundtrack disc version of the NES version) and the game turns out to be awesome thay way. I would have liked that version of the game on the Mega CD for example, instead of having to bear with the sloppy Mega Drive conversion of the arcade game. Aside from that, yeah, maybe you are right. It's not like their Sega Saturn efforts are commendable enough anyway.

[@madsceptictrooper6803]

Considering the fact Naxat only published games in Japan and Mega Drive was not as popular as PC Engine and SNES/SFC in Japan, so it kinda makes sense why Naxat never bothered with Mega Drive. But interesting enough Compile didn't port the game to Mega Drive by themselves.

[@WeskerSega]

@Benjamin Jagun Capcom clearly because of the Nintendo grip in those days and Naxat clearly because of the weak situation of the Mega Drive market in Japan

[@punchabunchabuttons]

9:35 Holy Goosebumps moment! That is epic!

[@rozzbozzgames]

Back in the day I got the Japanese version of Devils Crash for the MD second hand for £5. An incredible game that I still play on a regular basis. Fantastic vid, thank you!

[@Dakota_B_]

That megadrive sound is just much better to me.

[@RetroCore]

I would certainly agree with that.

[@Colin_Ames]

Excellent comparison. I haven’t played either version, but will do so after watching this. I preferred the music in the Mega Drive version

[@InfernoHabanero]

Basically a Compile vs. Technosoft battle here. Honestly it's interesting seeing these two companies have their own take on the same idea.

[@RetroCore]

And two great companies that are no longer here.

[@madsceptictrooper6803]

@@RetroCore And Sega own both of their IPs nowadays.

[@ravagingwolverine]

I humorously like to think of the Genesis version as an HD remake, which is appropriate since most model 1 systems tell you they have high-definition graphics. I've never really been into pinball, so even this one can only hold my attention in short chunks, but it is good(both versions) and the music alone makes it worthwhile. I've been known to listen to each soundtrack for fun and to be energized. And this is a fun situation because you have Compile on one side of things, and Technosoft on the other, two great developers of the day who had similar reputations. Whether or not the MD version is better doesn't take away from the PCE version and Technosoft got to build upon what Compile created. Good stuff on both systems. And I do love the demonic theme.

[@martinholden9686]

Nice video Mark. Megadrive version all the way for me.

[@SimianScience]

i owned this on TG16. great music and alot of fun to play my favorite with #2 being pinbot

[@solarflare9078]

Scrolling through the comments a bit, I think why some people dislike the MD port is because of... lack of common knowledge apparently. Almost every criticism I see is the "smaller playfield" or "not fullscreen". The MD 320px horizontal resolution is just bigger than the PCE's 256px, but it just uses the same size playfield. I'm surprised some still don't know of that. Just like how most people don't know why arcade games "sound so Genesis".

[@RetroCore]

I know 😁. I mean, it's obviously the same size play field because we can see the same amount of game board on screen with both versions.

[@jasonwells1719]

Another good one! I still have my copy of Devils Crush and Alien Crush. 2 of my favorite TG16 games that I still play today. Thanks again. 😌

[@RetroCore]

Good stuff!

[@OllyDee123]

Possibly my favourite Mega Drive game, and possibly my favourite soundtrack too. Very addictive, just like its spiritual successor, the bullet-hell inspired Demons Tilt. That game is crack.

[@johnebbs3819]

Mark I am a Megadrive fanboy, and I would like you to admit that its the best console ever.

[@RetroCore]

lol, okay! Actually, out of these two games I would go with the Mega Drive port. Same with Aero Blaster, another PC Engine fan boys deem to be better. Forgotten worlds on the other hand is way better on the PC Engine than the Mega Drive.

[@johnebbs3819]

@@RetroCore you are not wrong about Fog Worlds.

[@gtbeakerman]

@@RetroCore I agree with Air Buster being better than Aero Blasters.

[@jamesburchill7522]

This was the first and one of the few times video pinball impressed me. I actually had fun playing it, rather than just "playing" it and hoarding a score.

[@RetroCore]

I agree. It was actually the game that introduced me to video pinball.

[@digdugnate]

i've been playing this game like crazy the last couple of weeks. awesome to see a BotP for it!

[@RetroCore]

Nice!

[@TheCoopsCorner]

I remember using mail order directly from Tengen to get Dragon's Fury (it wasn't available anywhere where I lived at the time). Took the usual 6-8 weeks for it to arrive, but what a game. I have no qualms about the TG-16 version, as it's quite good, with some nice touches over the Genesis version. But to me, Tecnosoft took the music to a new level with their mastery of the Genesis sound chip. The visuals are great, the bosses are interesting, the play table is a lot of fun, and the Genesis version of the music just out does the TG-16 version IMO. The cool hidden tunes are a nice extra for the Genesis version as well. In short, it's a great pinball game on all fronts, regardless of which system you play it on. But for me, the Genesis version is the better one.

[@RetroCore]

Yeah, I think many will agree that the Technosoft magic really makes the MD version the one to go for. Plus those bonus music tracks are great.

[@topofbones]

Amazing BotP! Both fantastic versions. I'm running to play now to the Megadrive version.

[@Nolasco.]

This game is still my favorite pinball game on a console, I played it to death on my Mega Drive. Thanks Mark 😊👍 P. S The soundtrack is awesome....... Man so great memories 😍

[@RetroCore]

The soundtrack is indeed awesome. Some of the best music on the Mega Drive.

[@JorgeAraujo97]

I remember how the game magazines were shocked by the satanic imagery in this game, back in 1992. Good times. xD

[@shotgunl]

I played Dragon's Fury on the Genesis many years before ever getting to play Devil's Crush (or Alien Crush either) on the TG-16, so I'm partial to the Genesis port. That said, both are amazing. I really fell in love with Jaki Crush though after finally discovering it a decade and a half or so ago. That's my favorite in the series because I like the graphics and music the most, but Alien Crush and Devil's Crush are great too. I used to really like digital pinball games with some of my other favorites being Epic Pinball and Extreme Pinball for DOS, Hyper 3D Pinball and True Pinball for Saturn, Revenge of the Gator for GB, Pinball of the Dead, and probably plenty I forgot. My grandpa had nothing but ire for video games, but he loved pinball so I loved pinball as a kid. However, I think Pinball of the Dead might be the newest video pinball game I've played. I should really try to get back into them, especially Demon's Tilt that someone mentioned which sounds fun.

[@RetroCore]

I wanted a physical copy of Demon's Tilt but that is never going to happen :(

[@GustavoValdiviesso]

This is my second favorite video pinball game. The first one being Jaki Crush, of course, for the Super Famicom. Naxat used everything they learned from Alien and Devil's Crush for the last installment of their pinball trilogy.

[@RetroCore]

Jaki crush was also developed by Compile. Naxat were just the publisher.

[@GustavoValdiviesso]

@@RetroCore I did not know that 🤔

[@fulgenzio1973]

A truly masterpiece.

[@GUCFan]

Love that this video was made, i discovered the game in late 2020 after i played Alien Crush on the TG16 Mini. So i gave it a try and yeah i loved it then found out about the Genesis port and its just as amazing as it is in its original TG16 incarnation. But to me personally soundtrack wise? The Genesis edges out the TG16 ever so slightly because of that gritty FM synth guitar that the YM2612 excels at along with the stereo separation that as you said, gives it a wider sound stage! But both soundtracks are amazing and really play up to their respective consoles sound hardware capabilities. I can only imagine how the Crush series would sound like had it been done on say disc based consoles.

[@RetroCore]

OOh, I would imagine very much like Blast Wind on the Saturn.

[@johnsnowdon2939]

Possibly the greatest pinball video game of all time... and certainly one of the best soundtracks of all time. For me the PC-Engine version just edges the MD out; the sound is a bit more raw and the graphics are slightly more colourful. That said, they are both excellent games in their own right. Have I said how much I love the soundtrack?

[@GustavoValdiviesso]

The end music you used is really good! Thank you for the reference on this on.

[@RetroCore]

No worries. The actual link is in the video description.

[@acem7749]

Not a fan boy love having both versions and enjoy what each can do. But I do respect the OG.

[@JonesDylan874]

Love this game. Devil's Crush is a fun pinball game.

[@RetroCore]

It sure is.

[@WrightOffsGaming]

A cracking mini battle of two of favourite pinball games thanks Mark. Both are excellent without a fanboy opinion as I had both of these on the original hardware, I do however prefer the drive version for that awesome Technosoft music. I love digital pinball and highly recommend Demons tilt if you haven't bought it already.

[@RetroCore]

I would have to side with you on the Mega Drive version. The soundtrack is just epic. Especially for the time.

[@datbo7974]

Absolutely love both versions of this amazing game. I didn't realize it was developed by compile till just now , but im glad Naxat decided to publish the pc engine version regardless (love loads of naxat games on PC Engine). I would say I maybe slightly prefer the genesis version, but both are on par with one another. An additional cool bonus of the Genesis game is that there are remixes to past technosoft games in the sound test and oh boy do they sound fantastic. Can't go wrong with either port.

[@datbo7974]

Also for some reason I feel like this game would've been a decent fit for something like the sharpX68000. Not really sure why I think that, I just do.

[@datbo7974]

I'm also curious what red's involvement in the pc engine version is. I know there not part of Compile as there responsible for the thunder series and bonk series, as well as sakura wars.

[@RetroCore]

Maybe red were involved with Alien Crush so that's the connection?

[@vsuman66]

Nice video. I recently purchased Dragon's Fury on the MD. Haven't played it yet but kinda wish I didn't watch this video before playing it, it would've been a great surprise.

[@RetroCore]

Well, at least you know know what you can look forward to.

[@jmabate]

nice job and thank you for having me

[@RetroCore]

You're welcome.

[@overkill1473]

Mega Drive all the way. Simply for the superior Music and the better presentation. The only thing i am envious of is the flipper sound effects of the PC Engine version. Which strangely got omitted in the MD port.

[@RetroCore]

Oh, well spotted.

[@loganjorgensen]

Video pinball has a two fold coding challenge, one is ball physics, and secondly is collision detection not just in response but visualizing that depth. Usually if the overall collision detection is good the flippers work as expected. Funny to hear about the debate on the ports, me I just want to play both so I'd welcome either one into open arms, damn expensive for a physical copy now heh.

[@johns6265]

If anybody ever asked me to suggest a video pinball game this would be one that came to mind first, you can't go wrong with either version. I wonder if there is anybody out there specialising in collecting video pinball games, there are a surprising number spread across a lot of formats but it is possible to build a collection that's relatively complete without selling organs and giving over an entire room of your house.

[@RetroCore]

Other great examples would be the Kaze released Digital Pniball games on the SFC and Saturn.

[@luke_y_444]

It is true that the PC Engine version is more colorful. But for one aspect, the Mega Drive version is the best, simply for the pixel ratio. The PCE image is overwritten to fill the screen. The sprites aren't bigger than on MD, it's just that the definition is lower ! We had the same show effect with the Super Nintendo. I too in my early 90's college days believed that sprites were bigger on Snes. But in fact it is often because we were "closer", because the definition was lower. The right column of MD information is the added definition of the PCE version. So, we have the table with square pixels, and the real proportions. Of course, the developers at Compile were fine with it when creating the game for PCE. It remains one of the 5 best HuCards of the PCE. For 1990, this game was great. I got my Mega Drive version in early 1993. I had taken one of the biggest 2D slaps of my life. Today I have both. And I will never part with it =) But clearly, the Mega Drive version sounds better, its bonus stages are much better done, and then it is more nervous, and the ball gets stuck less often oddly in the main table.

[@RetroCore]

Ah, you good sir understand the pixel ratio correctly. Many people think the Mega Drive version is missing detail when in fact it has all the PC Engine detail plus a score bar.

[@luke_y_444]

@@RetroCore Exactly. It's the same table, just the image is overwritten on PC Engine, that's why it takes up the whole screen. Sprites are not bigger on PCE. It's a big misunderstanding and an injustice for the Mega Drive version, which is objectively better.

[@DeadlyGamingLV]

I love them both and the PC Engine version has awesome music but to me the Genesis version has better music. The bass and the stereo separation makes it sound beefier. Technosoft makes bangers. In my humble opinion! :)

[@wulfspyder8381]

I love the Crush series, I even bought the soundtrack on Vinyl, which also has the Alien Crush soundtrack on the same record. I highly recommend Demon's Tilt for fans of these games. I enjoy all version but for me, the TG16 version is my favorite. Also check out Jaki Crush on the Super Famicom.

[@policenautpr]

That's awesome! Where did you buy the vinyl?

[@RetroCore]

Yep, Got Jaki Crush but the slowdown in that game and the less than stellar ball physics kind of harm the playability. Still, better than many other pinball games on 16 bit consoles.

[@baroncalamityplus]

I had it for both and I preferred the PC Engine version. Not to say the mega drive was bad or had any negatives.

[@RetroCore]

We all have our preference which is perfectly fine 👍

[@MaidenHell1977]

Ah here we go, the begining to a great weekend. Hope you're having a super weekend Mark!!

[@RetroCore]

You too! Shame I had no time for a regular length episode this week but I can say I actually had a lot of fun making this one unlike last week's Mario video.

[@MaidenHell1977]

@@RetroCore that's too bad but it came out great!! :) And I had no idea there was a Megadrive port to Devil's Crash. Great content as always!

[@ebbbbs]

Great video

[@RetroCore]

Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it.

[@fromthe90s21]

I must admit MD graphics are better but the fact that it's not on full screen is a real downer. So just because of that the (uncensored !) PC Engine version wins IMO.

[@solarflare9078]

But the MD graphics *are* in fullscreen. In fact, arguably more fullscreen (MD is 320x224, PCE is 256x224). It's just both playfields are 256px in horizontal resolution.

[@PedroFerreira-sx2gd]

I like more the tgx version, but i must admit ir was the One i played first and i AM used to the slightly different psychics . Both versions are great

[@Mamiya645]

Excellent vid. Mega Drive/Genesis can only hard-pan FM synthesis sound to go with its single sample channel so it was often tricky in development. Having only four operators in FM (instead of the six on the legendary Yamaha DX7) it is trickier to create hihats and cymbals and satisfying bass drums (with a good kick feel), at least it makes a great source of many natural sounds like wind and splashing waves. In the case of this game the bass drum is so good it feels like it's using the sample channel, one bonus stage BGM plays it so rapidly it increases suspicion, it feels very SunSoft NES/FC in sound too. (Currently making dirty gritty punk music with an FB01 for all audio)

[@RetroCore]

Thankfully with the awesome sound drivers the Mega Drive now has, it is possible to play many more samples than previously and in higher quality too.

[@benjaminzuniga4911]

Well, the YM2612 has something called SSG-EG which actually allows you to create some Great Percussion. Hell I was able to make a full 4 intervals chord like 7th or add9 chords, at one Patch/instrument with that thing. And I was totally convinced that the Sega sndchip was not capable to do Polyphony

[@adamh7588]

I had the Megadrive version back in the day. I played something like this on Gamepass on the Xbox but have forgotten the name

[@z3ntn3l]

Mega Drive ftw

[@ThePolicenaut]

Such an amazing game ,I always thought of this as a pc engine game was never interested in playing the md version

[@TheKayliedGamerChannel-YouTube]

Same 🤠👍

[@connardman]

Typo(s) at 9:15, the artist is Jmabate. 😅

[@XavierCassagne]

It's good to see I'm not the only one to notice it 🙂 I love the mega drive covers jmabate makes 👍

[@RetroCore]

Yep, sadly I can't fix that now but I've put the link to his Band Camp page in the video description.

[@RetroTuna]

Yep there both great and both have fantastic music I do prefer the pc engine tunes a bit more tho they have more of a gritty sound. Pc engine has a better main table but the bonus levels are a lot nicer looking on the megadrive but yeah there both are great . I allways wanted the pc engine version but have never owned it I have the megadrive version with its very nice jp box art.

[@madsceptictrooper6803]

Hard to say which one is better. But the Mega Drive version is one I would pick because PC Engine was never released in Europe. Fun fact: the composer of Musha Aleste did the music for the PC Engine version. Even though Technosoft did fantastic job with the Mega Drive port, it would have been awesome to hear Devil's Crash soundtrack Musha Aleste sound driver.

[@RetroCore]

Some how I don't think it would have been as good. While the Mega Drive Musha soundtrack is good, it's not up to work of Technosoft.

[@thrillington2008]

TurboGrafx is amazing. Genesis is no pushover.

[@OldNerdPlayingOldPCGames]

Big like drop 👍

[@Utoobyourself]

I own both games for PC-Engine and Mega Drive. I like both versions but got to say MD has better sound and a lot smoother animation

[@RetroCore]

That's pretty much what I think as well.

[@skins4thewin]

More colors or not, I have always preferred the look and music of the PC Engine/TG-16 port myself. The colors just look a bit better & more vibrant to my eyes, and are a bit easier on the eyes if that makes sense. Details seem to be a bit more defined & easier to see in that version. I also absolutely love the sound of the PC Engine sound chip, & with this game it certainly doesn't disappoint. Although being in Mono does kind of suck.

[@RetroCore]

I wonder why it is in mono? A very strange choice for Compile to do that.

[@GustavoValdiviesso]

"On the next mini-BoP, Gradius 2"

[@creechrfeechr8094]

Played both of these but it's the Mega Drive version that wins for me. Visually grungier which serves the game better, a rockier soundtrack, and crucially better feeling pinball. Both are great though.

[@JustPeasant]

Kick arse pinball! On a technical note, watching this on my phone, the PC Engine version appears to be more colorful than the Mega Drive (sprites). Of course, I would need to see both games running on my display to make a final conclusion. 🤔

[@RetroCore]

The Mega Drive version only really pops on the bonus stages and when all bonus point icons are lit up on the main stage.

[@net_news]

wow my favorite pinball game as a kid!!

[@RetroCore]

Same here. Loved this back in 1991.

[@ArtificialOrangeStudios]

Weird, I'm not finding anyone named Jambate on Bandcamp... I was really wanting to get this remix of Devil's Crush from them.

[@XavierCassagne]

It's a typo mistake. The good name is jmabate.

[@RetroCore]

Here you go - jmabate.bandcamp.com/ I did a typo on the video.

[@ArtificialOrangeStudios]

@@RetroCore Thanks!

[@gantsmaniac]

I like pinball games, And I didn't know this one. Now I need to try it, time to search it 👀✌🏻.

[@RetroCore]

Oh man, you've been missing out. This was one of my favourite pinball games in the 90s.

[@gantsmaniac]

@@RetroCore I'm from the 90s, but here in south América, was more popular nintendo (the majority of nintendo franchise, Capcom, konami games), sega (but only came the most popular games of it, like sonics or soccer games). thats the reason.

[@WeskerSega]

So, to sum up. Both versions of the game are good enough. Especially if you get the Japanese versions. This is especially true in the case of the Mega Drive version.

[@RetroCore]

Pretty much but my go to version is the Mega Drive for the better audio (IMO).

[@IMDRanged]

Cool, I think I did buy the PC Engine version from the Japanese Playstation Store which mostly all PSN digital games are region free. I still have to check if it works on my Playstation 3 once I set it up again. Also looking forward to playing the PC Engine version of Galaga '90 as well on the PS3.

[@Harie0]

I think I heard about the game from one of MetalJesus' videos. Did not know about the Mega drive version will have to give it a try.

[@RetroCore]

Metal Jesus doesn't really understand his console games unless it's a more modern system past 1995 so it doesn't surprise me he never mentioned the Mega Drive version.

[@mypkamax]

Which version's music do you prefer? NEC PC Engine (Hudson Soft HuC6280) or Sega Mega Drive (Yamaha YM2612+SN76496)?

[@RetroCore]

Mega Drive all the way 👍

[@rayforceaddict]

I don’t think the Japanese version has this bug, but on Dragon’s Fury the left outlane’s cover can fling the ball down the drain instead of blocking it. This often ends my game and it’s pretty disappointing. I do like the Genesis version quite a bit other than that, but that glitch sends me running back to PCE.

[@RetroCore]

OOh, I've not seen that happen before. I've only ever played the Japanese version.

[@diebesgrab]

I played these both for the first time one after the other, and for my part the Genesis version edges out the PCE one, mostly on the strength of the bonus stages and music, both of which I felt were better there. To be fair, the latter may be due to my greater familiarity with the Genesis sound, having grown up with one. I’ve also noticed that the PCE version, like many PCE games, sorta seems to have been designed for square pixels, which is weird since the PCE didn’t output any 4:3 resolutions. A lot of PCE games just look slightly stretched at 4:3.

[@RetroCore]

Yeah, the PC Engine does have a bit of an odd resolution.

[@Adamtendo_player_1]

I own this on the MD but the western version where it’s renamed as dragons fury, for some weird reason I like both the audio in both the PC engine and the MD port, but I’m gonna lean towards the MD port due to the stereo separation and will it be done by technosoft.

[@RetroCore]

Sadly the censored the western release 😭

[@zanegandini5350]

Interesting comparison. I've heard from so many people that the PC Engine of the game is the superior version, but to be honest I don't think there's enough to justify that claim. Sure, it has better animation in some parts, but the Mega Drive port plays every bit as smoothly, and has extra content not found in the PC Engine original. The only real annoyance is Technosoft's sound engine not allowing for music and samples at the same time, but the music sounds so amazing I'm willing to overlook that. Seriously, Technosoft made the best FM drums on the system, it's hard to believe they aren't sampled! Speaking of which, did you use emulation for the Mega Drive port, or do you just have a different revision from my VA6 Genesis? The PSG sounds louder than on my system.

[@RetroCore]

I was using real hardware for both games :) The PC Engine is a RGB moded Core Grafix II while the Mega Drive is an early V1 model with a daughter board added to the main board for the crystal. It really is a very early model.

[@zanegandini5350]

@@RetroCore A daughter board added for the crystal? What does that do?

[@gtbeakerman]

@@zanegandini5350 I think it resolves an error in the early MD production PCBs.

[@benjaminzuniga4911]

I think that the best drums/percussion on the system was made by Tim Follin on Time Trax

[@_pulstar]

i’d kinda like to see a battle of the ports for dragon’s lair

[@RetroCore]

It's on the cards.

[@TheKayliedGamerChannel-YouTube]

Naxat produced* some great games on PCE, including this. I especially like their 1943Kai port too ✌️ Your gonna start a YT PCE Vs Mega Drive console war with these comparisons !! 🤣🤣

[@RetroCore]

Lol, now that is a dangerous way to live.

[@JamesSmith-rf8wo]

Hi! Can you provide a link to the Bandcamp artist? I can’t find them by the name you wrote in the video. Thanks!

[@XavierCassagne]

It's a typo mistake. The good name is jmabate

[@JamesSmith-rf8wo]

@@XavierCassagne thanks! Once again Google shows that has become an stupid marketing machine without the "wisdom" it had in the past. In the 2000s it would have "guessed" the name of the artist. Thanks again!

[@RetroCore]

Yep, sorry about that. I'll put the correct link in to the video description.

[@NP-ip3nj]

Oooh, 400 is coming up - are you going to do something special for it?

[@RetroCore]

I don't think I can with the current work situation but we'll see.

[@forcedfeedbackclassicgamer5499]

Love this game on Genesis. Luckily none of the censored content really affects the gameplay. I do wish I had it for my TG16, though. Need to track down a Japanese MD cart, too.

[@RetroCore]

The Japanese Mega Drive version has an awesome box. I love the purple look it has.

[@thefurthestmanfromhome1148]

Loved this on the Mega Drive, but found Dragon's Revenge to be a big step back 😢 Ball physics are a make or break for video pinball, it crippled Ruiner Pinball on the Jaguar.

[@RetroCore]

Dragons Revenge is just some western made crap and has absolutely nothing to do with Compile's games.

[@sebastienretrogaming4051]

the 2 versions are excellent but objectively for me, the Megadrive version is better. the graphics are much more detailed and sharper and the bonus rounds are much better. For music, I much prefer the Megadrive version of better quality and in stereo.

[@jessragan6714]

Amazing how Compile designed this game but got very little credit for it, with all of the kudos going to Naxat instead. I'm partial to the Genesis version myself, because you know, that's the system I had growing up, and it wasn't worth it to buy a TurboGrafx just to get the "superior" version, when the differences aren't exactly vast. What I find amusing is that after porting Devil's Crush to the Genesis, Technosoft made its own pinball game, Fantasic (sic) Pinball for the Sega Saturn. It was okay, but it was no Devil's Crush. What I don't find amusing is the crummy western-made sequel to Devil's Crush called Dragon's Revenge. Grungy graphics, weaker ball physics, less inspired level designs... yeech. Just... stop it before you hurt yourself, Tengen.

[@RetroCore]

Naxat are one of those companies than make pretty average to crappy games. Anything really good under their name was not developed by them. Devil Crash being a main example. Poor Compile, they were more talented than most of the surviving Japanese game studios of the 80s and 90s.

[@RetroCore]

Dragon's Revenge has no right to exist IMO.

[@madsceptictrooper6803]

For me, the worst thing about Dragon's Revenge is the horrible soundtrack made with GEMS sound driver. I cringed so hard when I heard it after listening to the stellar Mega Drive music by Technosoft.

[@thomasberry4486]

Have you tried the spiritual successor, Demon’s Tilt, on the Switch? If so, what are your thoughts?

[@RetroCore]

Never tried that one.

[@SomeOrangeCat]

Its a good game, but my go-to video pinball is Epic Pinball.

[@Horos_de_Vega]

PC Engine for the kill!

[@randy7894]

wowroms time!

[@spacefractal]

im have newer heard about this game. howover im did do played a lots of pinball on the Amiga. Howover the major issue im did seen is multiball is not very well implemented, due nature of a pinball game with scrolling like that. Im do think Pinball Illusions used a smart way to uses hires graphics mode for multiball.

[@orderofmagnitude-TPATP]

Been playing this a lot lately whilst parked in the car. Amazing sound. Easy pick up and put down. I love jaki crush too but it is much harder. I'm not a big pinball fan but this is awesome. That sequel by tengen sucks. Cheers Mark.

[@RetroCore]

Couldn't agree more!

[@orderofmagnitude-TPATP]

@Benjamin Jagun she looks like "generic someone's mum dressed for Saturday night " sprite 04 lol

[@videogamebookreviews]

I bought this at the time for the Genesis. I thought having the monsters wander around made play frustrating rather than challenging, and I didn't like the way you could get a blocker at the bottom of the table to stop you from losing the ball. I also thought the ball felt a bit too heavy, and I preferred Psycho Pinball for the Megadrive. Actually, I liked Pinball Dreams and Pinball Fantasies on the Amiga even though the ball felt like a table-tennis ball on those games! Looks as though I'm in the minority for not liking this game!

[@RetroCore]

No worries. We all have our own tastes. I remember as a kid my mate would always put on Pinball Fantasies on his Amiga. Had quite a lot of coverage to that one. It was a nice game. Very smooth from what I remember. Actually, that also got a SFC port. A future video, maybe?

[@videogamebookreviews]

@@RetroCore Yes, I'd like to see a video on that. Cheers.

[@TurboXray]

PCE version has more colors on the main board (enemies, object, small details is more color). MD version has better looking bonus areas (some of the them are outright gorgeous!!). MD one is a little weird using most of the same main board graphic assets, but having them display skinnier than they should be. Though it's only really noticeable when you put them side by side. I also like the sound track on both. Out of all the PCE models I own, this game sounds best on the Duo-RX model (it's more bass-y and fuller). Even though it's not the same game, you should have shown the SNES Jacki Crush or whatever.

[@NotaPizzaGRL]

I'm just wondering why Technosoft put that info bar to the right side instead of keeping the same play area as the PC Engine

[@danmakuman]

@@NotaPizzaGRL AFAIK The main board is using the similar resolution size of the PCE version, the extra screen was used for the info bar. When you see it in a CRT it may look like the main table is smaller but isn't.

[@FoxbatStargazer]

PCE is probably 256 wide and the Genesis 320. Although the ball is squashed/not a sphere on PCE so they probably drew based on square pixels, which does not apply to either console resolution.

[@RetroCore]

I used to have a Duo RX but sadly it died in a bang with black smoke.

[@TurboXray]

@@NotaPizzaGRL The PCE game uses the PCE's 256px horizontal res. The MD version uses 320px horizontal res. They kept the same 256px wide playfield but since it's a higher res, that had some room for a border on the right. So while not the same screen 'area', it is the same pixel area - just squished a somewhat bit (actually, by 25%). There's a benefit on the MD for running 320px res VS its low 256px res.. you get more sprites on screen (80 vs 64) and you get more sprites per scanline (20 vs 64). I guess Tecnosoft thought it was worth the trade off to have a squished playfield, but more flexible sprite setup.

[@johnt7372]

Have you played Demons Tilt yet? I know it’s kind of a spiritual successor. I’m waiting for my Limited Run copy to come in.

[@RetroCore]

No, not yet. I hope it isn't on the same level as Jaki Crush.

[@johnt7372]

I didn’t even know there was a third one in the series, I had to look that up!

[@pixadordelterrat2725]

I haven't played this game but at least on this video the PC Engine looks easier for the eyes with its softer background. The MD version tries to be more detailed with more colors, shines, sharp edges, etc. that make it harder to see the ball and the enemies. My guess is you would feel tired sooner with the MD.

[@RetroCore]

I think it's the KZbin video compression that makes the more detailed version look a little harder on the eyes. When playing on the TV they both are comfortable to look at.

[@awwrelic]

Nice video. I played Devil's Crush, but I own the American release for the Genesis (Dragon's Fury). I like both versions though I like the TG-16 version's lack of a sidebar a bit better. Hilariously, Tengen (who released Fury in the US) put out a "sequel" called Dragon's Revenge...similar atrocious cover to the American Fury, but the game was nothing like Fury. The physics are abominable, the design is ludicrous, and the sound...oh my. The voice clips sound like attempts at fake orgasm and dominatrix ahoy :) Still, it's in the "so bad it's good" category for me.

[@RetroCore]

Oh man, that Tengen game is bloody awful. I've played that and it is really bad. Sounds terrible, looks terrible and plays terrible.

[@RepTechEP]

I truly prefer the sound of the Genesis.

[@RetroCore]

Same here.

[@MahmoudEhab2023]

hey mark could you make next Saturday's battle of the ports to be gradius 2?

[@RetroCore]

I'm afraid not. I will add it to the list though.

[@alexismazzanti6929]

Devil'l Crush rules!! I've tryed the genesis version a long time ago... and the emulator was probably crap? Sooo... I hated it XD, but seeing it now, I have to admit that it sounds way better. That said, I also did not like the colors used in the megadrive version, the PC Engine has a darker pallete that makes grittier I guess. It kooks a bit better here, further proof that the emulator I used back then was not up to te task. I also found out about Jaki Crush a few years ago and love it!

[@RetroCore]

Yeah, you've got to be careful with emulation. Especially in the past.

[@bhirawamaylana466]

Pc Engine for the win.

[@afistfulofpimples1745]

No

[@Horos_de_Vega]

The MD could not handle a pinball AND a full screen. The PC Engine a clear winner.

[@afistfulofpimples1745]

@@Horos_de_Vega The movement is not natural and smooth with the ball in the inferior PCE.

[@Horos_de_Vega]

@@afistfulofpimples1745 Haha… maybe it is your eye-sight which is inferior? Because,, beyond the tiny play area of the MD version, what makes the PC Engine version superior is actually the ball movement. Peace!

[@bhirawamaylana466]

I play both of them but I more like PC Engine coz I play it for long time, Genesis version is good port to me but Like Lord of Thunder I prefer PC Engine as its more harder than Genesis (in my opinion) coz I beat Lord of Thunder and Devil Crash for Genesis in my first try unlike PC Engine version, so that probably why I like PC Engine version more.

[@besotoxicomusic]

Bought a CIB US version for the TG16 for $70 a little while back and while I know it goes for that loose now, I’m still questioning wth I was thinking. It’s a damn decent video pinball game with badass music but still, it’s a video pinball game. Not a genre I was ever attached to. How much competition was there in this genre too? It’s predecessor and that game demo that came with windows? I’d say sonic spinball but without optimizations that game is dog poo.

[@RetroCore]

Sonic Spinball is bloody awful. In fact all pinball games on the Mega Drive were crap besides Devil Crash. There was Dino Land, Psycho Pinball, Crue Ball (Featuring music from Motley Crew) , Dragon's Revenge and Virtual Pinball.

[@gtbeakerman]

For me, the PC Engine version wins hands down. The aspect ratio and perspective of the Mega Drive version are not correct. Everything looks too skinny and squished, and the background graphics look flat, are at the wrong angle, and lack depth. I do enjoy both versions as they have great soundtracks and play very well. I would love to play on PC Engine Super CD with the arranged soundtrack!