CAPRICA - WAS IT GOOD?

[@debbimor8003]

I was so disappointed when Caprica was cancelled, it had such potential!

[@lucia7234]

I know I always preferred it.

[@privatear2001]

I thought so too!

[@dotdashdotdash]

It definitely improved through season 2 and it deserved at least one more season

[@shotgunrebels]

Agree

[@Sumoboi1]

there is no season 2 lmao@@dotdashdotdash

[@GeneralGrievous-1138]

I loved Caprica, myself. Galactica is my all-time favorite show, but I had always wished it built more into the world of the Twelve Colonies, and I was thrilled to see them do exactly that with Caprica.

[@tgiacin435]

They could do so much, like I’d love to see a series about kobol, and how the events that caused the creation of the 12 colonies and the 13th colony of earth. Or even the cylons created by Greyson industries meeting the final five earth cylons

[@treklad]

I loved Caprica. Filled with potential. A shame they never got the proper time.

[@Bland-79]

That's what happens when you ignore the fan base.

[@THEchiQ]

I loved it too.

[@marocat4749]

There was also 12 monkeys, which is very underrated, the series, not the movie. And znation is pretty creative good zombie show, especially its from asylum. Really shows its all about characters.

[@marocat4749]

And saha roiz(who also is in grimm(not only hot but a good gay character in caprica), and the other story had potentional, weird but season 2 would have been pretty interesting. Even the zealot poly terr rist would hav been interesting.

[@mitchellsmith4690]

I loved it too...

[@musicalnotextr]

According to the book SO SAY WE ALL, Jane Espenson, who wrote for BSG as well as some Buffy and DS9 episodes, was originally set as the showrunner after Ronald D. Moore got things started. But it later became clear that she was not comfortable in that leadership role as a hard decision maker and would prefer to just be a writer (her career afterwords essentially indicates this). So Kevin Murphy (who later did DEFIANCE) took over for the rest of the series. That would definitely explain why the series has so many narrative problems as you pointed out.

[@andrewmeneer5035]

I couldn’t really get into BSG but loved Caprica. Just finished rewatching it and it made me miss it all over again.

[@ardoronro6677]

I loved that show because it expanded the background lore of BSG. Like if Star Wars had a drama that took place on Coruscant that show's the lives of average citizens instead of space wizards, bounty hunters and galactic warfare.

[@zico739]

Caprica didn’t follow average citizens. A mob lawyer and a tech billionaire/scientific genius aren’t average citizens lol.

[@ardoronro6677]

@@zico739 I said it shows the lives of average citizens, not follow. Now I know they had VR MMOs, Schools and religious terrorist attacks. They even had polygamy. The drama was ok, but I was more focused on the backgrounds.

[@ghostgirlc9262]

That sounds like Andor.

[@stormcrow28]

It's too bad they didn't decide to do a decent first Cylon War show, especially since the Battlestar Galatica Deadlock game tells the story very well

[@ElzariusUnity]

does it? At first, its story was okayish. But with time... THE last DLC was like COMPLETELY RANDOM.

[@Vaultboy-ke2jj]

@@ElzariusUnity completely agree with you

[@richlisola1]

Caprica was a much more needed show-World building was needed to give scope to what was lost in the Second Cylon War, and the complexities of the 12 Colonies society-As great as BSG was, it was hard to grasp the emotional depth of genocide and the scope of this massive world that was the 12 Colonies of Kobal. Caprica had some unevenness, but it found it footing. Just as Scyfy decided to kill it. BSG: Blood and Chrome was a brilliant pilot, and it showed us just enough of the First Cylon War to understand it. We didn’t need more

[@shanehughes3511]

Caprica would have went there. Id have expected a time jump towards the 4th season or so and then a spin off in the war

[@JordonVirtue]

"This isn't just our world with the serials filed off" But caprica city IS just Vancouver with the serials filed off.

[@m.e.3862]

Hahaha yeah.. SFU has been in Stargate, caprica, Halo, x files....

[@THEchiQ]

The physical reality isn’t what’s meant though.

[@genmaicha.lapsang]

I was about to say, how much Caparica city looks like downtown Vancouver. lol

[@davidryder3374]

I can't imagine where he got that opinion from...every single trope in the series comes directly from our world's cultures. To me, it seemed like a total writer phone-in to base the Taurons on our world's Sicilians.

[@TheIslandDivision]

I remember watching and was like "Hey did they just blow up the SkyTrain?!"

[@craigdavidson5613]

I happened to find a copy of the full series on DVD at a local Pawn Brokers. It only cost $5AU. I later on found the DVD of the extended pilot for $5AU from a Charity Shop. Not half bad for a complete series!

[@razak4494]

I liked Caprica. You got to see how the Cylons got started. I wonder what ultimately happened to Zoe? Did she have anything to do with the Cylons rebelling? The show was cut short

[@varsityathlete9927]

the only canon answers are given by writers. on the bsg wiki.

[@mustang6599]

I wanted to see how the cavillation got started. It never made sense to me that they had 12 colonies, space fleets, ect, but were still living in an essentially 1980/2020 world, with no real advancement, or even real AI at that point, and a mix of old tech. I think a better show would have addressed and touched on more of how they got to where they are would have been more interesting than "we are here, except what you see, and move onto this new AI/Cylon thing".

[@AdmiralBonetoPick]

I assume she's how they got their "one true god" religion.

[@Tential1]

It's one of my favorite shows. It was amazing imo.

[@gandolphgandolphini]

I loved Caprica. Especially the finale. I would watch Eric Stolz read the phone book though.

[@danobrien3695]

Robert Zamekis fired him from Back To The Future because he was too "Dark"...(no, not talking about skin color)

[@terminusest5902]

One of my favorites and I would have loved to see the next series that never happened. Very dramatic. Very well made. Great acting and imperfect, imperfect characters. With Zoe showing how the ceylons developed their hatred of humans. Showing the unintentional events that led to the ceylons construction. It can be complex with the different aspects of Zoe as in virtual reality, ceylon and real life. But I still liked that contrast.

[@StuartDesign]

Good concepts, mixed execution. Definitely ahead of the curve on the idea of resurrecting a person just from their digital footprint (really feels we are just round the corner from that now).

[@DrewLSsix]

Both this show and westworld i think dont really represent the concept very well. On the one and its a Turing type approach wherein success is dictated by the perception of someone from the outside, but both portray te result as actual beings that think they are the original and somehow possess thoughts and memories they couldn't possibly. Its one thing to say a program can take a bunch or recorded data concerning external characteristics of a person and create an imitation that could fool another person, its something entirely different to say the result is a program with an internal landscape that matches an actual person enough that it thinks it is that person. It would have been nice to see the concept portrayed more critically, with the resulting immitations perhaps not being what they seem from the outside.

[@digitalalchemy6414]

@@DrewLSsix Of the two westworld delved much deeper into this with the concept that our internal duality, our ability to bounce ideas around with ourselves and come to decisions as key to consciousness and something that was eventually achieved via repeated personas over 1000s of iterations. In a way west world portrayed both... the synthetics aren't conscious... they approximate it... but the code through repeated iterations developed a kind of consciousness / duality over time. Caprica was more about the advantages of copying a consciousness as an advantage in cybernetics as an existing neural network mapped from organic to synthetic could be anything programmed... it also led to a form of immortality.

[@marocat4749]

I liked person o interests aproach, which is basically westworlds by putting an ai for a grind or kill or limitate and kill it so much it gaines awareness for its own existence. And its not solly scifi which helps a lot thinking not too deep how realuastic it is.

[@AmazonKC]

I loved Caprica. I think they gave up on it too easily. Some shows needs a season or two to find thier footing. It had so much potential and really gave a good hypothesis as to how machines could develop sentience.

[@mustang6599]

But there were too many unanswered questions from the get go, and very disjointed in how the world was laid out. 12 worlds colonized and accessible by routine space flights and the ability to build ships like Battlestars, FTL drives, while driving around in average cars, have dial telephones, atypical mobsters, and little technology in the world beyond what we have today. If they could have incorporated how they obtained that technology to coincide with the creation of Cylon AI, that would have meshed together far more interestingly than what they had given us in the show.

[@marchofthelorex238]

@@mustang6599 Who are those people who still use animal powered transport are they real or just badly written characters. Ah the Amish.

[@tabithadickerson2525]

@@mustang6599 this was just showing us how our cylon cycle had started. Cylons existed long before caprica/battlestar. This was just our cycle.

[@josebrown5961]

No TV show gets two or more seasons to find an audience. I blame the Battlestar fans for not watching the show.

[@czos9239]

What hurt Caprica was they couldn't rando break to a space dogfight to rock the pace for max appeal. But I loved it. The timing of the drop couldn't have been worse. Sort of like ST Enterprise, just as they were setting up the Romulan war.

[@Eshanas]

Honestly they could had. The colonies aren’t United and there’s twelve of them. There could had been more interplanetary transit and maybe a war - who were the imperial powers? Virgon and whatever? And the rebellion on Tauron. They could had had throw in a few war scenes or send a family member into a war.

[@ANTIStraussian]

​@@Eshanasthey showed shots of a colony war on a TV. But it looked more like an Iraq war allegory with the more powerful colonoy doing bombing runs with raptors and the rebels firing ground to air missiles back. No dog fights.

[@josebrown5961]

The show they made was fine. Caprica was not a “space opera,” it never was that. It was the tale of the creation of the Cylons. I wasn’t expecting to see Vipers flying around. Was it a bit of a slow burn? Yes it was meant to last for a few seasons. There also was the human component, the whole Rich man Poor man thing with the Graystones and the Adamas and Amanda Graystone being combined with the Cylon. There was lots of good things that was going to happen but it was not to be.

[@jwheeler1106]

What I liked about it was how it revealed more about the culture of the 12 Colonies prior to the events of BSG.

[@Gogopowerandy]

Same here. It’s interesting to see how advanced they were and how scaled back their world had to be in the wake of the First Cylon War.

[@gateauxq4604]

I think it’s accurate that there was about 5 episodes of gristle that could have been cut out. It would have tightened the plot and made it meander less. The thing that gets me the most is the final episode because they tried to blow through the rest of the plot for the next several seasons because they knew the show was cancelled. I think the William/Bill bait and switch may have also never happened although William was too old to have properly fit in the timeline. One detail you missed is that Bill was born after William died by DaddyDama and his second wife. I believe that all happened in the last TL;DW episode. The Final Five were also set to appear in later seasons since they were actual ‘Cylons’ traveling to Caprica to try and rejoin the Twelve Colonies. It coulda been magnificent. Too bad SyFy is a garbage dump.

[@jasonleetaiwan]

Yeah, they summarized seasons 2 and 3 in 5 minutes it seemed.

[@mrivera0546]

I ALWAYS knew that Willy Adama wasn't the same William Adama that we know from Battlestar Galactica. Young Willy had brown eyes whereas William Adama has blue eyes (Edward James Olmos wore contact lenses). That was a dead giveaway.

[@Gogopowerandy]

Yes. Very. Life shown on the colonies was so interesting. The fact knowing it takes place 150,000 years in the past makes it more compelling. Loved the characters, the drama. I would loved to know what happened to the Graystone family after the First Cylon War Another interesting note is that the 6’s and 8’s were based off of Zoe and Tamara respectively. Now the scene of Boomer shooting Adama is even more heartbreaking!

[@Arieoformation]

It's a flawed show with interesting ideas with cool potential. For a while, there was information floating around online about potential ideas for season two & beyond. Apparently, there would have been a 5 to 10 year time jump into the build-up to the first Cylon war. Lacy would be the new leader of the STO co-oping the movement to push the Cylons into revolution. Zoe would have had visions of Galen Tyrol on his way to the colonies trying to stop the uprising & sharing download tech with her. Apparently, eventually the memory of Zoe would become the base subconscious for the Six models & Tammara Adamma's memory the Subconscious for the Eight/Boomer/Athema line. That last would mean that when Admiral Adama interacts with any Eight he is talking with a version of his sister. I have no idea if any of these rumors were true or how they would've changed during production but they offer tantalising hints as to what might have been.

[@sheaux]

I was about to ask what writers had in mind for future seasons! Thanks!

[@Arieoformation]

@@sheaux As I said I'm not certain about this as I can't find anything to confirm it anymore.

[@lordpappanqui]

@@Arieoformation I believe you are referencing the article in SciFi magazine that posited ideas and thoughts on season 2 of Caprica, generally mainly story progression, but also which types of characters would be added to the show. The article came out at around the time of episode 5 (maybe 6, I can't remember) of Caprica. I would have kept my magazine copies if I had enough space in my garage. Am sure the article can be located if someone either has printed copies of the magazine or is able to find digital copies online. Just a few thoughts.

[@Arieoformation]

@@lordpappanqui it might have quoted the article but the main source I remember was from a wiki page with quotes from an interview with David Ike. That was added about a year after the series had ended.

[@shanehughes3511]

I think it was simply ahead of its time. The plot of caprica and the ethical questions it asked are far more relevant in 2021 than in 2009. It's main issue is its not similar to battlestar in pace and action. Caprica made today but not related to battlestar at all, could be mega good. If they wanted this amazing show to keep its bsg fans, they should have run blood and chrome as a show at the same time. Perhaps one at the start of the year and the other later in the year to fill in fan boredom. Like they did with stargate sg1 when Atlantis was running and when the walking dead and fear the walking dead ran.

[@josebrown5961]

You are right. But it didn’t have to be similar to BSG. Hell that is what I liked about the show. It was humans at their best and watching them create the things that would eventually kill most humans. I guess they should have made a prequel series about a young Adama. He gets to fly Vipers and meet his wife.

[@shanenolan8252]

I always suspected that the hybrid man in razor was Daniel greystone

[@sailorx72]

I liked Caprica and many of the stories were great. That being said at times it seem that the creative minds of the show were showing times of creative fatigue. That maybe due to the years they spent working on BSG and jumping into Caprica right after it ended.

[@__WJK__]

The writer's strike definitely did not help!

[@nfarnell1]

Caprica was cancelled by syfy because syfy cancels everything! They have a huge list of great 1 season programs they shit-canned.

[@RedSiegfried]

It was cancelled by Syfy because it sucked. But yeah, Syfy cancels everything good too.

[@mustang6599]

They cancel shows that don't make them money. Kind of how most networks work.

[@nfarnell1]

@@mustang6599 The don't make enough money is the reason, along with how they decide what is "enough". Greed for more will always end badly.

[@Nautilus1972]

Caprica wasn't great.

[@tgiacin435]

@@mustang6599 which explains sharknado

[@DCMarvelMultiverse]

The whole two family dynamic was symmetrical but the types of families made for an odd asymmetry. A tech magnate and a mob lawyer? Huh? I was more enthused by the monotheists, the day-to-day life, the sexual norms, the trappings of living, and the Taurons.

[@RowanJColeman]

The world building in general was a really strong part of the show :)

[@genmaicha.lapsang]

I thought that their whole society was more well developed in 1 season than most sci-fi civilizations accross 5-7 seasons. At least for me.

[@ptonpc]

@@genmaicha.lapsang That is one of the bits of the show I liked I have to admit.

[@SeaJay_Oceans]

CAPRICA would be a great show to do a sequel, but not caprica, TAURON. The new series would pick up on the planet Tauron, at the start of the Caprica - Tauron war... Everything seen on the Tauron planet, from the Tauron culture point of view. The Tauron world experiences the rise of the STO faction on both sides of the conflict, and eventually leading to the cylon 'conversion' to STO and the battles and cylon revolution / uprising leading to original series first cylon war. It would be great if the cylons just got tired of fighting for their humans, and both militaries, as one, united against the humans that kept sending them into battle to be destroyed for no purpose. The cylon slaves had enough of their masters ... classic themes, but with all the modern updates for future tech.

[@Striker163videos]

Lowkey some of the best television worldbuilding I’ve ever seen. Brilliant depiction of a society choking on its own success, plus the V world approach coupled with monotheistic terrorist recruitment was a disturbingly accurate thing.

[@sargonsblackgrandfather2072]

Short answer: no Long answer: still no but it had potential. We need them to make a series of the first cyclon war.

[@Spthomas47]

These are basically my answers too. Nope, but it wasn't terrible. Good idea poorly executed. I'd be much more interested in a first Cylon war series than the reboot I'm hearing about. To be fair, my interest in the reboot is zero.

[@icourant]

it was not good. It was FUCKING GREAT! And Yes, BSG was insainly good. BEST SERIES EVER!!!

[@richlisola1]

We really don’t need a show about the First Cylon War. Caprica held all the emotional gravitas-Cuz you get to see the depth and scope of the worlds lost. After watching this, I feel like an entire universe ended. Made rewatching the BSG Miniseries more powerful. Blood and Chrome was fun, and it showed just enough about the first war, to fill in the gaps.

[@robhyde8067]

It's frak good!!! Sad to see no season two for it. This has potential!

[@jwouter]

Reallly liked Caprica ....... especially Polly Walker , so much potential. The world building was exceptional , better even then BSG.

[@Concreteowl]

The ratings were more to do with the writers strike and SyFy moving away from science fiction. I really love Caprica you could imagine it becoming the show that Blood and Chrome was supposedly going to be a couple of seasons later. I also like the hints of nested simulation. That maybe the Galactica universe is itself a simulation and that God is literally a programmer.

[@TheCentralScrutinizerAgain]

the second half of the season was excellent!

[@karisalonen12]

Loved the show and still start my Battlestar Galactica marathons with it. The biggest issue I have with it is the timeframe of cylons developing into the menace of BSG show. It is like 50 years and it makes no sense given the information given of cylons in BSG. But that is common problem with prequels. The continuity issues. And best parts are the visualization of virtual reality and decadence of it and the whole society. Not to mention the religion and common people relationships because of it. Actually most relationships in it were portrayed perfectly. None of it was shoved to our faces but presented as a not a big deal, just as casual as anything.

[@austinpharris6270]

I’d like to see how the cardassians changed lore evolution.

[@RowanJColeman]

That is the next Lore Evolution I'm making haha. Should come out in about 2 weeks :)

[@pranavsingh5666]

I'm trying to get my dad into BSG and think Caprica is how I do so. He isn't a fan of sci fi but he loves the drama element. Its gonna be hard.

[@BrettLesPaul]

I disagree. Jump right into BSG. I was an 11 year old kid for the original BGS so I was skeptical of the new one at the time. I was hooked as soon as the colonies had been wiped out! Best series ever!

[@gateauxq4604]

Same experience as Brett F. Just go straight to BSG, it starts very grounded and remains the least scifi scfi show for the first two seasons at least.

[@josephtremel5392]

I have t agree about Lee. He wasted the Pegasus almost without a thought. That ship deserved better. And fat Lee was almost comical.

[@MichaelRainey]

BSG first. Too much of Caprica doesn't make sense without knowing what is leading up to. Actually, watch BSG up until they establish New Caprica or when the Cylons take over New Caprica. Then watch the Caprica series then pick up BSG again.

[@BrettLesPaul]

@@MichaelRainey When they were suddenly on New Caprica did you also get the feeling that you missed an episode? I was like, WTF happened with my DVR??? How did I miss the season premiere???

[@forcewielder2000]

I was one of the BSG fans (of both the original and reboot) and actually did like the idea of Caprica. What Ronald D. Moore tried to do wasn't a bad idea - don't just show us the First Cylon War, show us how the conflict between the 12 colonies and the Cylons came to be in the first place. What happened that caused the Cylons to turn against their creators in the first place? I also always kind of got the impression that what happened was Daniel Greystone's attempt to put the Zoe Avatar in the body of a Cylon that was what ultimately took the Cylons from just robots with a very good AI program to full sentience as well as giving them a reason to rebel against the humans.

[@mickcrump7799]

I absolutely LOVED the exploration and expansion of what life was like on the 12 colonies! Seeing how diverse each colony was and how they each had unique histories and societies that were incredibly interesting. Loved seeing the colonials practicing their pagan religions and living in a world that had no real limits bc of technology. It could have explained so much to us about the final five and how they got to the colonies and met Zoe. I really wanted to see how they were going to explain how Zoe was going to be the inspiration behind the creation of the Number 6 cylon model and Tamara Adama would have become the inspiration or foundation for the number eights. Having Adana’s sister be an important part of the evolution of the cyclone would have been awesome to explore.

[@benjjerman]

Thanks for this. I just watched it and I agree with your points. It took too long to get to the events of the final episode. I wish it got there sooner.

[@allwaizeright9705]

I just wish they would bring back DARK MATTER - at least maybe a 2 hour 1 off movie to finish the story arc -

[@brianp6682]

i hate it when people complain about filler. a story being 100% efficient is lame as hell because everything becomes predictable.

[@_nowhere]

It didn’t help Caprica that it’s original broadcast split the season into 2 parts with almost a year between broadcasts.

[@injunsun]

ROWAN: Yes, "Caprica" was AMAZING! It made me want to be uploaded before I lose my mind. Seriously. I'm 52 now, living with undetectable HIV for 24 years, and artificial hips since age 33. Just replace my bits until I'm all machine. I loved Zoe. In her, I saw myself, a gay, high-IQ Aspie, often misunderstood, seeking... something. In being reborn as a Cylon, she had a second chance. As for you disliking the idea of Cylons gaining sentience by being inhabited by human souls, um, did you forget? In BSG, it was revealed The 12 were originally humans, whose consciousness had been sent out as digital copies from some other Earth, in a previous cycle, since, "it had all happened before." Their consciousnesses were captured by early Cylon AI tech, and the AI tech realised, it could evolve itself from Centurions into the fleshy ones by simply loading copies of The 12 into bot bodies, so they did. The only thing they didn't really cover was how and why they turned themselves from chrome machines into true cyborgs. Presumably, that was The 12's influence, same with their religion.

[@suonoblu6650]

It wasn't Daniel Graystone who recreated the cylons on Caprica, but his daughter Zoe. It was Zoe who recreated a self-aware Avatar. The Cylons who participated in the First Cylon War had traces of Zoe's Avatar in their hardware and it was what ultimately made them self-aware and hostile towards humans.

[@sartainja]

Zoe could not reboot a 8082 PC by hitting the control-ALT-Del buttons.

[@flake452]

I enjoyed it, I think it was a great companion series. I feel like it shows you Humanity before the Cylons and how their society was doomed to fail.

[@protorhinocerator142]

The re-imagined BSG couldn't have been done without it being a BSG story. It ONLY made sense as a reboot of the original series. Caprica was a series about AI gone wrong. It could have been part of Star Trek, or Stargate, or any other mythos. Or it could have been a stand-alone story. It was quite obvious to me that Caprica started as a stand-alone AI story and someone told the writers to make the AI Cylons and add in some stuff about Caprica, Tauron, etc. to the existing story. I personally found the underlying story to be much better than the "Galactica" stuff they tacked on. I think the story would have been better had it taken place in Chicago in 2050 or something like that. Change the nationalities of the characters and you could keep 98% of the story. My favorite part of Caprica was when Zoe was depicted as a human emotionally interacting with people, while outwardly she was really a Cylon showing no emotion. The dumbest part would be the thing where if you die in the virtual game you're locked out forever. Stupid plot device to add non-believable tension. Especially for Daniel Graystone who owned the company. He should be impervious to getting locked out. There's no way he would limit himself like that.

[@KyleMcintoshMAC316]

I got hooked on Caprica just as fast as the reimagined version of BSG. I never found a single thing to dislike about it. I'm glad I have both on Blu-ray

[@lordcron]

I ABSOLUTELY LOVED CAPRICA! The storylines where fresh and headed in the right direction! It was a seriously great show that was totally pitched to the network and audience wrong! In fact, When they canceled the show and said it was "New Management Wanting To Go In A Different Direction" it was a bridge too far for me... I got up went around my house to all 4 televisions and Blocked the SciFi channel on all my Cable boxes... To this very day they're still blocked. I still feel the show was never even given a chance!!

[@Bazzer-zu7fu]

Once again you put it in the back of the net. You Sir, are a legend. I think you're absolutely right that Caprica has to be watched as it's own thing. I just don't like the re-imagining of BSG. They should have called it something else because it just isn't BSG. Cannot find one line you said I can argue or debate with. Btw the gf's last name is Kinloch 😂. Good luck with your movie, I'll probably buy it. Especially if it comes close to your retrospectives. Next summer my coastline history hunting hiking should bring me near your area, so if you ain't directing in Hollywood expect a visit from the triple troubles. Keep up the fantastic work

[@DLJohnsonHonourofKings]

I enjoyed it. I wish they had finished it. The music that played at the very end was my favorite. The song Differently Sentient by Bear McCreary was beautiful and haunting. He's made some great music for BSG.

[@genmaicha.lapsang]

I loved BSG and I also loved Caprica but I also love cyberpunk. And I understand why it didn't resonate with most of the BSG audience. I think that it comes down to the fact that cyber-punk is a very hard sell at the best of times and even to other sci-fi fans. And Caprica has all of the cyberpunk trapings, corperate intregue, family drama, organized crime, cybernetics, VR, low life ect.

[@JessHull]

I loved Caprica, I actually liked it even more than BSG. I wish it would have been a bigger success.

[@Annihilate3275]

LOL!

[@lrvogt1257]

I enjoyed it. Not as good as BSG but I didn't expect it to be a space adventure so I wasn't disappointed by that. I thought the young actresses did very well. It wouldn't be bad to watch before first watching BSG. Then, as Edward Olmos has suggested, after BSG watch Blade Runner. It works.

[@chriss-nf1bd]

seasons were short and could take over a year to get to the next season. The story was incredible.

[@electricblue1423]

Given how interesting the web episodes with Nico Cortez as Adama were, I was hoping for a full series.

[@Tential1]

In fact, bsg isn't a good show because of the space factor at all. It's just a good drama and story. Which is why caprica, the no space part was never a thought to me. It was always the drama and lore of the show that fascinated me, and caprica did not disappoint at all.

[@evaninthehaus]

I wasn't one of the people pushing it, but I appreciate you going full in on Caprica and you have won yourself a patron with it. Its a mixed bag, but I appreciate it for daring to be very different from BSG. BSG banked on being different from old BSG, so I appreciate as an audience member being challenged.

[@zeroworldcraft]

Caprica might be my favorite show, ever! I've never seen Battlestar anything. Caprica rules!

[@timb4098]

I liked Caprica because I was interested in the 12 Colonies

[@mattwho81]

Caprica's problem was it was trying to do too much. It had the rise of the cylons, the monotheist terrorists, two feuding families, a corporate business/government commentary and some weird Matrix like VR world. It couldn't decide what it wanted to be. Pick a lane series!

[@CosmoShidan]

Family feuding is one of BSG's hallmarks, as is political intrigue and robot uprisings. Plus, the virtual reality aspect was suppose to show how the skin jobs were created, the monotheistic terrorists were catalysts for the Cylon religion, and we see the Cylons adopting the faith at the end of the season. It's a prequel, so aren't they suppose to set up everything?

[@Shervin86]

As a bsg fan I didn't mind it... aside from all the major plot holes and mistakes... I mean it also showed skinjobs being made in caprica... but bsg said the 5 made them and cylons only could make hybrids... All in all a show worth a watch but not a must.

[@neatpicker644]

There was also a really strong "Frankenstein" theme. Was waiting for you to bring that up xD

[@adamben-shimon7513]

I was so disappointed when Caprica was canceled. The show was at times slow to get the exciting, but overall a good show with a lot of potential. I wanted to see more about the other planets.

[@Tential1]

I only liked bsg more once I watched caprica and saw the Cylon beginning. It was really amazing to see. I wish this had continued.

[@WideAwakesOG]

Caprica was a really good show and I was sad to see it get torpedoed with a half-assed ending. It helped fill a lot of holes in Battlestar about V-world being a digital heaven and why the Cylons believed in a god. I don't think it was given enough of a chance to succeed, perhaps elements can be salvaged if the Battlestar universe is revisited. While the CGI wasn't movie quality, the ideas were innovative. I'll give them credit for today's foldable smart phone!

[@GregInHouston2]

I like Caprica. I thought Zoe and Lacy were done well. I see a lot of trauma as Zoe's avatar learned the details behind her flesh and blood self's death. And Lacy's journey as the young adult is caught up in the mechanizations of older adults that are using the ideals of naïve young to manipulate them.

[@TheBigExclusive]

It doesn't matter if its good or not. Caprica was the show no one asked for. At the end of the BSG (2004), BSG Fans wanted a prequel set during the CYLON WAR. I repeat: **CYLON WAR**. Not some "soap opera" melo-drama with teenage robots and virtual reality. Wtf were they thinking? If Ronald Moore was too burnt out to write another space show, then he should have given control to someone else who could do it. They burned up any good will and momentum with the fans by making this show. The majority of us wanted a prequel show to show us the WAR. "BSG: Blood & Chrome" was a step in the right direction. Too bad it was underfunded and came far too late.

[@Ken-lv8ej]

Had the show explored the world's of the 12 colonies more I think it would have done a lot better. Getting stuck in Greystone manor or the V world for episodes on end was tiring. They spent so much time and effort talking about the various cultures, locations and religions, but in the end we were limited to just a couple of sets. It really is a shame.

[@AllMediaReviewsPodcast]

I really liked a lot of what they did or were doing with Caprica, but it was a bit like CRUSADE with Babylon 5, in that was more or less doomed from the start. I suppose it should be seen more like a Miniseries than a Prequel Series.

[@Walkingcedar2006]

You cannot blame the Lee Adama character for "loosing the Pegasus". The Pegasus was destroyed in the original series of books that covered it, racing itself between to Cylon basestars as the Galactica got away. I read that in the books, way back in the late 80s, when I was heavily into checking out library books in Sci-fi. Pegasus was always doomed. They just really make it take out those two Cylone basetars upon its own death. He didn't lose it; he used it as a battering ram. It didn't just get lost a vacuum (no pun itnended on that, of course). The character did shift and change over time. Jeezus H. Christ, Rowan.

[@natashaa43]

I enjoyed it a great deal even though I really didn't like Zoe and so much of the show was based around that character, what intrigued me was the group marriage and the polytheism which most of the society believed in, that sort of social world building was very attractive to me and I wish they dived into it more, so in a way maybe they did attract more women, I was very interested, however I was also a big fan of BSG so perhaps I am not very representative.

[@TheJadedJames]

The concept of doing a show about how the Cylon/Human war first began was a lot more interesting than a show where we just watch the wars forgone conclusion. The final episode showed a time skip to right when the First Cylon War would have broken out in the timeline. So we could have had a whole Greek Tragedy/Robo-apocalypse season, then you could have seen how the war affected all these people down the line who unwittingly caused it. I think a big thing this video misses is that the whole point of Caprica's cinematography is that we are meant to be slowly watching this peaceful metropolis descend into becoming the world of BSG. I certainly agree that the first season should have been shorter. But I think the slog is mainly in the second half of the season. At the midpoint of the show there is a crescendo, and then things get pretty boring until the pieces are moved in place for the finale. Smarter application of time skips could have gotten around that. Another big part of this show's ratings failure was the fact that there was a ridiculous hiatus taken after the 8th episode.

[@abcun17]

Yes it was. Loved the show! I think they should have just planned it as a miniseries...which is what the one season resembles anyways!

[@MoonjumperReviews]

Good video. I watched Caprica when it was airing and rather enjoyed it. I liked how it tied into BSG while also standing well on its own. It had a few little things that annoyed me. As you said, the William Adama fake-out seemed pretty pointless. Was that supposed to be profound? It wasn’t. But overall, I thought it was a good series and was disappointed to see it ended prematurely. Still it does give greater context to the overall BSG mythos and should be a must-see for every completist.

[@oafpolitics179]

Now you mention it, yeah, it did come out in the middle of a writers strike - and if I recall correctly was split into two half seasons as a result- both of which explain the disjointedness. Same strike did similar damage to SGU. It was a strange year, and at the end of it, no more big sci-fi on TV.

[@thegreatbaolmagician3032]

the strike was during the last season of BSG, that was the reason why the 4th season was split in 2 half (the first half ended when they reached the original Earth), if i remember correctly Caprica was aired fully after the strike

[@LasherTimora]

@@thegreatbaolmagician3032 There was a mid-season break for Caprica, I'm sure of that. Shows always take a mid-season break though, so I'm not sure how that would be related to a writer's strike.

[@terminusest5902]

Thanks for this great review.

[@mikes1071]

I thought Caprica was OK and had about the same issues you had with the show. I'm probably also one of the few people that didn't want young Bill Adama as the lead character of a BSG first Cylon war prequel. I wanted a completely new character to follow so that the writers wouldn't be handcuffed to the continuity of BSG because a young Adama would end up getting a lot of plot armor. You can still have a young Adama in a prequel series as a supporting cast character.

[@shireknight01]

I enjoyed Caprica and the Sarah Conner Chronicles which is another program that was cut way too short, now do V the miniseries and V the Final Battle please :-)

[@Thrakus]

They say there is a new show , On September 17, 2019, NBCUniversal announced a straight-to-series order a new set in the same continuity as the 2004 series, produced by Sam Esmail as part of their new Peacock streaming service, set to premiere in 2020. But it seems to be a spin off they said we are not doing the same but with in BSG.

[@michaeljensen5020]

Caprica was (is) adult science fiction. I have been watching sci-fi since the original Star Trek since I was a boy in the 1960s. Caprica is one of the best sci-fi stories produced. It is a shame it was not allowed to see its full potential.

[@roguephoenix]

i liked it. it just needed to be able to find the audience after it's setup. it looked like it was going to take two seasons to finish the setup. season 1 was definitely just a setup but people these days aren't willing to let stories get setup.

[@taproom113]

I thought the first season of Star Trek-The Next Generation was Much weaker than Caprica ... and that series turned out to be pretty successful. A second season would've given Caprica a chance to mind its rudder, make a few course corrections and showcase its enormous potential, giving it a much better chance of survival. I think it was cancelled far too soon, along with FireFly and Jericho. Skal, ^v^

[@zenithquasar9623]

I loved Caprica so much and where it was going!

[@noone.3532]

This is the first of your videos I've seen. I'm subscribing because you did a video on this show. I liked it more than BSG

[@johnsmith-yj2cn]

was not even aware that series existed until many year later . hope they make a series of the first cylon war

[@mintakan003]

It was hard for me to warm up to the characters in Caprica. It was different with BSG 2004. The characters were flawed. This is the human condition, even if one intends well. I understood them, and even liked them, with their conflicted motivations (under the duress of war and survival).

[@continuingclockwise8926]

My sentiments exactly!

[@GeekyColter]

I’ve never seen battlestar but I watched this show on Netflix about a decade ago and I remember being really into it. I might give it a rewatch and then try to watch battlestar galactica

[@douglasdea637]

I have mixed feelings about Caprica. I loved the exploration of the world. The rise of robots in a society and the influence of a virtual world upon that was interesting. I was hoping season two or three would answer whether the Cylon AI came about naturally or was based on human personalities downloaded into a computer. Add into that how much of this AI was based on, or influenced by corporate and family greed. Robots don't need wealth or comfort, but would they learn to be ruthless and aggressive by watching those who manufactured them, or those who "played" with them? Obviously the show is exploring ideas humans will be dealing with in the next 50 years or so. I also loved that the Adama family are mobsters, essentially bad guys. But they are human and relatable too. The two fathers, Adama and Greystone, bond over their mutual loss. Interesting stuff. As someone on another comment said I wanted to see more about the other tribes, planets and their cultures. I trust that later seasons would have fleshed them out more. Then there were the negatives. Yes, it dragged at times. The robot religion stuff and the terrorist organization seemed tacked on. Corporate shenanigans and boards were... okay. I haven't seen it since it aired so I can't really remember much of it. In all, I wanted a second season, even a third. Set-up with no payoff is frustrating.

[@BuckTravis]

It was awesome! The story arc would have been epic and the best since B5. Criminal it was canceled.

[@jeffhdpd782]

I loved this show. Yea it started out slow but it was getting really good. dont understand why it was canceled

[@verttikoo2052]

Good job that you got him to do it 👍 Well done everyone 🥳

[@verttikoo2052]

Will be back for more 🎉

[@looneyburgmusic]

Don't know if I've made this comment before, (and I'm too lazy to check)... Caprica had so much potential, then as always happens it seems, the network/studio fucked it up. Expecting Caprica to do BSG reboot ratings performance in its first season was stupid. Given enough time to develop and grow it could have become the show fans of BSG were dying to see - How the Cylon War occured, and why, ending with the start of the war, which could have then led into the what became the "Blood and Chrome" web-series.

[@phillm156]

“Cluttered’ is a perfect description of Caprica.

[@kennethgillespie8351]

I miss Caprica. It should have been given another two seasons.

[@TheCritic-MMA]

One of the other things Caprica had going against it was showrunner Jane Espenson. Same person who brought us American Torchwood and BSG: The Plan...

[@adamsagehorn3520]

Great analysis. I also found Caprica lacking. It was a show with a great idea in search of a story. I think the show runners should ask... What is the best story we can tell and they could have included many things from Caprica but it needed to go somewhere. And I don't understand the need for the Adamas to be in the role they were. It is reminiscent of Star Wars problem of being able to tell a non Skywalker story.

[@Tojoblindeye]

I miss caprica. It was such a great show.

[@himssendol6512]

I loved both BSG and Caprica.

[@pcmdenault5391]

I watched Caprica four times ...the first looking for immediate connection to BSG ... last time ending with me wanting more continued story more episodes...more more pls

[@loststoryproductions]

Same! This show works on it's own tbh

[@juhall]

I like BSG….I like Caprica. I wish they’d had at least one more season to develop the theme and maybe even enough time to take the story up to the first Cylon war.

[@williamozier918]

I would make the prequel about the Colonial Civil War.

[@milescoleman910]

The storyline of how personalities based on social media and all online information mined can be recreated by AI has since come true. Microsoft patented the mining system years ago. The idea that you might put that into a humanoid robot is again something we now talk about and has appeared in Black Mirror and Humans. Caprica had sci fi ideas that are excellent in premise