Battlefield 4 And The Illusion Of Teamwork | BF4 Gameplay

[@surrealchemist]

It's not casual, I'm always wearing a tuxedo when I play.

[@betmynamespookedyou4665]

That was terrible.

[@VonHellsverg]

Formal gaming is now a thing

[@Lynxchillin08]

+Joshua Kleiner Yeah but you've gotta' have shoes and socks on bruh, it's too casual without them.

[@user-vd5lw1rs8s]

+Joshua Kleiner I usually have my full airsoft kit on when I play, with a helmet and everything. Casual gaming.. psssh..

[@Lynxchillin08]

The Flash90 Depends if you're at your office job or not ;)

[@user-dd2dg3pl5e]

I revive people because I do what I would like to be done for me, I personally get a joy from helping people in game, thats a reward...sounds weird I know...

[@rexhydro]

+SamBaker BF4 Nope, that's exactly why I do it too xD

[@rexhydro]

And if everyone had this mentality, then the teamwork problem would be fixed :)

[@bannanna1609]

Same

[@MrVindictus1]

No, sounds like healthy human sense.

[@MrAk474life]

Your the type of person I like on my team

[@mre1995]

In terms of support, you can run round trying to give people ammo and they just run away, unlike med kits where people are more desperate for health. I think they should have communications for stuff like, "I have ammo for you, pick it the fuck up".

[@bluecloak_7773]

"I NEED AMMO!" *I throw a ammo pack in his face and he runs away with his half empty pistol and no ammo primary*

[@EddLukian]

+Kevin George Give me ammo Give me ammo...runs away :/

[@jubamik2772]

It's cos of a glitch that makes people ask for ammo even tho they don't need it

[@mre1995]

Lord Fappington Maybe it should be prominent in the game, instead of a random shoutout that noone notices. Like if i could actually tell someone i have ammo like we can request it at least.

[@mre1995]

It's true, most people do ignore it but it's there at least. I'm always dropping ammo and health, at least with health you've got the indicator showing people are low when you're medic, much easier to notice than ammo.

[@theflyingdutchman167]

i don't give med bags and repairs so that i get 50 points. I do it because I like to think how the player who i am helping reacts to this random act of kindness. In return, i always use the thanks button when somebody helps me

[@yooitsameee6355]

Lol, saying thanks is mandatory in the consoles, not a lot of players go camping or just go for kills without playing the objective are in the consoles Maybe because it's harder to kill and players who buy the console just want to have fun, but Whenever you ask for an ammo pack they just drop it like Christmas (not always though)

[@theflyingdutchman167]

+Nathan Galang ps4 player myself😉

[@Ryan-sb5pc]

+Nathan Galang I can dispute that. The stupidity is everywhere doesn't matter which platform.

[@rickybobby144]

+Kim Jong Stunning This is how I play too, when I get a full 100 revive it's the best thing sometimes, so I always try get the full charge for teammates.

[@Abr3200]

+Kim Jong Stunning -- Thank you for your kindness Great leader

[@Lakupata]

Levelcap talking about lack of team work, but never revives team mates himself. I can't really take this video seriously xd

[@bagellord113]

yeah, lc needs to show actual teamwork in this video to prove a better point. i try to heal ANYONE that dies infront of me, (cqb strat) it could change from having to retreat to capturing a point in conquest.

[@merickful]

LoL. Engineers can't revive. But cater one moment to fit your point. Get lost flat-earther.

[@bagellord113]

@@merickful not sur how playing as engineer means you're a flat earther. but yeah, i think everyone knows that engineers cant revive. ok boomer

[@helvetwarrior]

I like to play as a dedicated pilot in the transport chopper and stay in it as long as my team keep me repaired. I transport anybody at almost every capture point where I can drop them off. I don't get to the top of the score board but at the end I got a lot of thanks for my piloting. I have to say that it is more rewarding playing like that then playing a lone-wolf with a high k/d ratio.

[@marouanthekiller]

Helvet oh dude i need to have you on my team either on ARMA 3 or SQUAD, bruh tou gotta have a lot of experience piloting a transport heli. If you have steam please add me if you want to join me in arma 3 or squad steam ID : Mirox51. We have a platoon of 30 players for now always active members.

[@kamiloboomboom]

Logical, hope to see u online

[@BFFsEngineer]

I hate when someone needs repairing, i go for the repair but all they do is forward, reverse, forward, reverse make me chase them all over the place, and when they get killed turns out be a lvl30 noob

[@nanda-re2yp]

don't forget when the tank is in 30 health, you jump out to repair, then the driver just drive away like nothing happened

[@GrumpyStormtrooper]

+Nanda Raffi Or when I'm alone in the tank and I get off to repair, and a teammate steals it

[@demonofchange]

BFFs Engineer I jumped out of my AA Tank to repair it because I was taking fire as a result of actually helping my team and wrecking choppers and some fucking recon bastard steals it and drives all the way to our deployment where he sat for the next ten minutes and didn't take out a single vehicle. What an idiot.

[@robertpyle984]

Unspeakable

[@Cybo-Man]

@@demonofchange There should absolutely be a 30 second lockout until a teammate can take a vehicle previously used. This would stop this nonsense.

[@crapbag1968]

Here's my idea of what the revive system should be:You revive people like you did in BF3. No charging, very quick, very simple. Then from the moment you revive someone until about a second after, that person is in a state where he dies to any damage he takes. This is so you wouldn't get so easily outnumbered by some medic reviving a bunch of people with 100 health in front of you while you're mid-firefight. Then if the person revived survives for 5 seconds, the medic gets 100 points and your team is given a ticket. I hate charging the paddles not only because of the revive steals, but also because it feels like I'm being punished for being a good teammate. By trying to help out and reviving a teammate with 100 health, I am penalized by taking longer to revive and therefore being more likely to die. I don't think this is a good game design. I don't even care about the points, I'm already max level and points don't really mean anything anyways.

[@waygyanba2195]

+dick butt Same here, i occasionally play the assault but i don't bother with the revives since it's that slow and annoying to get done. I just run an m26 Mass or an m320 because really i can get more use out of them. Perks that make you charges the defibs faster is nice but not fast enough.

[@TimbavatiLion]

+Ultimate Nibbler Just play with the combat medic field upgrade, derp. Reach lvl 2 and your revives are instant-100's (well, 0.5s, but thats about the time you need to reach the corpse anyway..) . I do use it whenever i'm assault (also because i hate that atrocity named defensive field upgrade) and i never get revives stolen and always revive with 100%.

[@waygyanba2195]

Selmokk i do that, but it's still a pain

[@TimbavatiLion]

and i'd still vote for the old BF3 system; no charging anymore. I get so many useless 20% revives that instakill me again, just adding another 5 seconds to the death timer... it's frustrating. 95% of medics are too stupid to charge the paddles.

[@sakichan_]

i gave my med bag i gave them revives i gave the deez nuts i repairs them i gave them ammo i gave them everything to help my teamates to me jump 300 trillions time nvr give anything i crie everytiem

[@matheusgclassen]

😢😢 true story bro

[@sakichan_]

+matheusgclassen jump and jump then got shot from the back T.T

[@sakichan_]

+matheusgclassen you godamn right

[@yooitsameee6355]

You guys don't know how relieving dead support players are to me, Damn noobs play the objective better than the actual "skilled" players

[@TEUNSreviews]

+Zamir Gempak i r8 dis comment 8/8 m8

[@bruellwitz]

You and your channel have really grown up. You have gone from posting rather simple tutorial or loadout videos, to analyzing the game in a very sensible way and coming up with reasonable thoughts on and even solutions to problems that have burdened the game/series for a long time. I can only hope that DICE is watching your channel very closely and listens to what you are saying. Please keep the channel the way it is, please keep putting your finger on the wounds of BF, please keep adressing DICE and hopefully, maybe, eventually we will have a Battlefield that is better than the current issue. I am drawing my hat for you good Sir.

[@beegieb4210]

+bruellwitz oh god no... if Dice listens to any of this shit, our beloved franchise will be ruined.

[@matheusgclassen]

i dont think changin the defib charge is good just lower the points for the revive itself then give the player some more points if the revived person lives for a certain amount of time and also give the médico a bônus for each kill the revived person festa for a certain amount of time

[@elementaleighteight]

yes I agree... no more patty cake the blueberry for a 20 spot!! however many times I have been revived or have revived a player that had no choice but a short revive. due to several factors.. the main being simply they were too far away or the combat situation.. required it. nearly the entirety of the revive mechanic from number of points to the way they are earned.. ie...a sliding scale based on how long the revivee lives after the action etc.etc. needs to be very seriously looked into. I do absolutely wish for a better teamwork initiative.

[@matheusgclassen]

+elementaleighteight yep removing the charge would end up removing last moments rev

[@elementaleighteight]

Same problem or worse I think.. Especially in 64 player metro... Get revived.. Die.. Revived.. die.. More points only exacerbates the abuse of the mechanic.

[@matheusgclassen]

+Lord Fappington lvl's idea was for the charge to be obligatory if you dont charge yiu dont rev i did not mean insta rev

[@matheusgclassen]

+Lord Fappington yep

[@TheGameFans15]

You want teamwork play Project Reality or Squad :)

[@thelen4806]

+Poop_Blower no cs:go

[@TheGameFans15]

LenGaming I guess you havent play Project Reality

[@thelen4806]

Poop_Blower no I havent so please tell me why it has more teamwork then project reality

[@TheGameFans15]

LenGaming Go watch some gameplay of it

[@thelen4806]

Poop_Blower ok I watched some gampelay of it and I can tell that cs:go looks way more fun and has more teamwork and skill

[@SuperDi_]

If you play like a douche. A guy shows up at your house and stabbs you 14 times in the back with a long and rusty screwdriver. I think that would be a very effective way of balancing the game. Maybe a little illegal, but effective.

[@Lynxchillin08]

Just stop selling children video games.

[@Forflies]

+Lynxchillin08 I'm 14 and I'm your idea of a perfect player :) OBJ, revives, med packs... Everything you'd want in a teammate haha

[@Lynxchillin08]

+Entrt4inment You are the future !! Go forth and prosper young one !!

[@thelen4806]

+Entrt4inment go and play minecraft

[@Forflies]

LenGaming You're not amusing anyone.

[@thelen4806]

***** you know that kids on youtube are not allowed, unless you are using your parents gmail/youtube account

[@Krongfah]

You should read BF1982 design concept by BattleNonSense. Great design concept than emphasize teamwork and tactical gameplay.

[@apexchief197]

+Krongfah Mahankalarp It truly is great work looking forward to his upcoming video about it.

[@Krongfah]

The more I read about it, the more I want it to be in development.

[@apexchief197]

To be fair most ideas that Chris has I would like to see were added to the games. Dice really should hire him as a consultant.

[@Krongfah]

Daniel Goodman Too late for Battlefield 4 now I'm afraid.

[@saltydiarrhea386]

+Krongfah Mahankalarp Dice L.A = Gamers Dice Sweden = Easter Eggs

[@Leftie181]

Removing KDR and promoting squad points/team assist points would not only improve teamwork, but I think it would make the game much more enjoyable in general. When I first started playing bf4 I was on xbox 360, and when I played almost 100% team oriented. Then I switched to PC, and every time I opened the game I had these massive KDR and kills per minute numbers shoved into my face on battle log, and I really started worrying about those more than my team. They discouraged me from helping teammates at all, seeing as I enjoyed providing support in ways like providing cover fire, distracting/damaging anti-infantry vehicles, reviving and healing, and none of those really led to kills, but certainly lead to deaths. The whole idea of promoting KDR led me the complete opposite direction from that, because even if I helped my team win every game, I looked like a terrible player with some measly .55 KDR and .3 kills per minute.

[@Morphxeus]

Dice should implement a system to reviving to where you could drag a friendly teammate to cover and then revive/heal them. With Battlefield's fast paced nature, this should reward players with even more revive points and would benefit the authenticity of military-style combat. Besides, it would greatly reduce the amount of times you would die in open cover by far.

[@theteadrinkingowl.2295]

I found that in Europe people are a lot more aware and do stay behind to defend/recap AND (please don't faint from surprise) give out ammo to those who ask for it......I know, hard to believe but true in my personal experience.

[@angelavila8722]

Dice needs to listen to this video

[@Skoombit]

Levelcap is officially approved by DICE. He has a dogtag to prove it so it appears that they do watch some of his videos

[@AlexanderTheTanker]

Epic BF moments to me would be something like a few squads of infantry pushing with a small devision of tanks who also happen to have support from a chopper, stuff like that. Say you have a 1v2 tank battle, all of a sudden an friendly helicopter flies over & destroyes one of them & after that you rambo the remaninig enemy tank, or you get fucked by infantry but then all of a sudden a squad starts supporting you & boom, you win.. Thats epic to me, not someone getting 20 kills because it is just a casual shooter, it's not like in CS:GO where a full on ace would be nice or a clutch cus here you just walk around a conor & spray ppl down, after you have reloaded & repeaked the conor they're all alive again due to the revive... Stuff like that doesn't seem epic to me. I love the idea of a tactical BF game! You litterally want to play the objective, play competetive, have a dedicated tank team, dedicated heli team & some dedicated anti tank/air teams, know what I mean?

[@thenoobbomb]

+SgtAlex Green Love it when things like that happen!

[@Ularg7070]

I'm usually the first (and probably the only comment) to disagree with you, but I have to balance it out when you're right. And yea, I agree with the majority of your video. You bring up good points and some simple steps towards a solution. I hope to see more videos like this. But I also got to be a bit of an asshole, because I believe that the problem with teamwork in Battlefield is worsened by you and your colleagues. I'm talking about the majority of Battlefield youtubers. While the commentary is a different matter it is clear that your footage prioritizes big kill streaks and high-KDs. You wouldn't want to have a video with several minutes of repairing, resupplying, healing and reviving without going on a kill streak. You wouldn't stand at an empty point to capture it. Only exception is when you do Squad Up, but the majority of your videos are solo play. Nearly every Battlefield KZbinr uses the same type of footage. Kills and killstreaks. Your videos have an affect on what the community values. Why doesn't no one throw ammo? Because literally every youtuber plays assault for those better infantry kill streaks while bitching about support. You are capable of going support and giving people ammo but that would mean putting yourself in a less advantageous loadout. Basically (tl;dr), you preach teamwork in your commentary while showing lonewolf in your footage. BF KZbinrs and the BF community as a whole values killstreaks over resupplies and repairs. This problem feeds on itself. Because no matter how hard I try to play as the support of the team, your "How to go 80 and 0 with Assault" will always draw a bigger crowd.

[@Rnegade944]

Clan mates + Hard Core + Remove UI + Team Speak = TEAM WORK!!!

[@joshuapayne2922]

level cap you used to be good, I mean you still are. but you used to be too.

[@katiejackson3900]

+Duke Nukem, Hail To The King gr8 b8 m8

[@GaremoOo]

Doesn't make any sense

[@geofferytappenden7167]

+xReFlex- Boyka L. It's for people with no friends

[@joshuapayne2922]

SKT T1 Zed i have friends, i've known my left hand for SEVERAL years

[@Morrissey2k]

+Duke Nukem, Hail To The King Was that a mitch hedberg reference?

[@boomerangfreak]

I honestly love to defend a flag but 99% of the time it turns out I'm the only 1 on that point and then a enemy squad comes by and ofc me alone, only so much I can do. That and I think I am 1 of the few ppl who plays a lot of support and throw around ammo bags like they are candy, not for points really but for how I know how it feels to be out of ammo and jump around a support player all round long and not get jack.

[@xEndless_Gaming]

boomerangfreak you play like me😊

[@TherealTrickzGaming]

Level i always play my class not because i want points( which i do) but because i want the satisfaction of helping my team to win the game, if im flanking with one random team mate, and he dies, i kill who ever killed him, and revive him because i dont like going into combat alone because i need one more person, but sadly, nobody likes to play their class unless they need to rank up :,(

[@TherealTrickzGaming]

Sorry for the fucked up grammar i just woke up

[@demonofchange]

I hate when people do 20 point revives. Personally I only do 100 health revives and always get revives stolen. It sucks but I would rather lose a revive than give someone 20 health only for them to get one shot before they even accept or decline the revive.

[@KCElstun]

The obsession with K/DR has been a major culprit in diminishing the amount of actual "teamwork" that is accomplished in BF4. Winning the match comes secondary to bonus point scores and seeing your name at the top of the list. I play one objective per round with the intent of capturing and holding it. After taking it I camp (that's right kids; cover your ears for the evil"C" word) on or just off the burn. I use C-4 to set booby traps, and try to place myself in a good ambush position. If I am outnumbered I lay low, wait for them to leave (inevitable en masse), and re-take the objective. If I get killed (note I said if) I simply respawn, attack the same objective, and set myself up in a different hide. I once suggested this tactic to a clan I was playing with. I suggested that each squad of 5 designate one or two "guardians" to hold taken objectives and call for help on comms if they were attacked. No one was the slightest bit interested. They preferred running around mindlessly from point to point as a group... that was how they defined "teamwork". These were adults, mind you. It's why I play alone now. I personally don't give a fuck if I get only one kill and get ranked dead last on my team. If we won, and I took the same objective half a dozen times or more... well, that's good enough for me.

[@baronburgamot243]

The tactic you mentioned about hiding until enemies have left a capture point in conquest is something I often do. If I roll up on a point it's always a better option to hideout than to engage, wait for them to capture it and leave then take it back. This is really effective but very few people do it.

[@twanm7367]

BF3 revive system and reviving is fixed

[@iCryptos]

+Twan Meijer No, it would make it worse. It would give an instant 100 points without any effort, which will probably encourage "lazy" revives.

[@upperclasslofi]

+Twan Meijer I support LevelCaps views, making a revive take 3,5 seconds or so because of always having to charge your defibrillator should make players think carefully if a revive makes sense right during combat so it rewards players that revive after thinking

[@apexchief197]

+Upper Class I would like to see revive callouts added the downed player chooses to be revived before showing up in a teammate medics HUD.

[@Dingoes8MeBabies]

+Daniel Goodman Good idea!

[@twanm7367]

klok pok did not thought of that sry

[@matheusmcneil]

Your ideas were enough and yes. I'd love to see more team work. Great video bro.

[@nwheatcraft]

Do what counter strike does in the sense of isolating casuals from compos from the menu. Level requirements, rage quitters not welcome and the such, oh and friendly fire and punishments for doing so.

[@kebakent]

In Seine Crossong, BF3, it was a cat and mouse game between the enemy tank and the squads. Helping the squad was rewarded with spawn locations, and staying together ensured survival as squad revives were very lucrative. You needed to work together, as you couldn't kill an entire squad by yourself. Remember the speculation you had to do to place your t-ugs for maximum points? Correct placement made a huge difference for the team, and for your score. If a buddy was capturing a flag, it was important to help as the point bounty for a captured flag was huge and took forever for one person. It seemed really important to get a flag behind the enemies, and calculating where they would likely be. I remember hiding inside the flagzone, and listening for enemy footsteps, while having both eyes on the radar. Contrary to BF4, you couldn't sucker-punch anyone in BF3 with pick-up weapons, it took elaborate teamwork and co-specialized kits to laser lock a chopper, and kill it with an anti-tank missile from a tank, and it was so sweet when it worked. Do anyone really care about commanders and squad-upgrades in BF4? Its basically just noise. Remove it. More often than none, there will only be a commander on one of the teams, shitting all over with scanners and cruise missiles. Maybe if we removed all pickup weapons, it would help. Also, the losing team should only get half points, while the winning team should get double. It is worth yelling at your teammates if the difference in points for winning is gigantic. BF4 made all the teamwork passive. Your teammates are basically enemies you can't kill, out to steal your points, and it doesn't matter what they do or if the team wins.

[@Jacob-id7xm]

Play more hardcore, I swear to the BF god, so much more teamplay than normal mode!

[@Jacob-id7xm]

Furthermore... Maybe reduce the kill score, like from 100 to 50 and increasen tje object score in general :)

[@SirEvilestDeath]

+Nightfury NOR Wouldn't matter. Killing is fun so people would go after kills. Objectives giving constant score for capturing plus the 100 neutralizing and 200 capture bonus even out that puny 100 point bonus for kills.

[@Jacob-id7xm]

+SirEvilestDeath ofc killing is fun, ingame ofc! lol, but We could at least try if it would work, eeh? :)

[@SirEvilestDeath]

Nightfury NOR Wouldn't work. The game is a First Person Shooter, the entire game is about killing other people, reducing the points for killing other players wouldn't help move players from killing to objectives. Players still kill teammates for no points just because it's fun.

[@SmileAsTheyDie]

+Nightfury NOR Hardcore is just more camping and sniping

[@MacMilanBHV]

This is one of the best videos you have ever made!!! I loved it!

[@Nikke-nn5mn]

i don't give a shit about points. whati gain when it says 20 on my screen. nothing

[@jonathansundh5626]

Agree, I don't give a shit about points only kill notifications

[@BlaCGaming_YT]

+Nikke 2800 I actually don´t even care about many kills, after playng it 1000hours it becomes boring and you need to get creative, I found a great source of fun in RendeZooks, RodeoZooks etc, but many people consider it a bad thing, even though (if skilled) you can take out strong Jet or Chopper Enemies by zooking them, people prefer the easy way cause the mostly do not want to learn zooking

[@UKBusDashCam]

Agree with ya, points mean nothing! Especially when you've been a rank 140 for like,EVER!

[@Bestgameplayer10]

You honestly get nothing out of XP in this game. What's he point? Like, I have over 60-100 25% XP Boost. Over 60-100 50%XP boost. Over 20-50 100%XP boost. And 3-10 200%XP boost. XP provides nothing other than the satisfaction of earning a lot.

[@ItossSallad]

I used to play with a clan and at times there was so many of us in one server we would have multiple squads and two party chats. on ps4. each squad would be assigned to one or two capture points. so even if we had the flag we'd stay there and defend. this game is significantly funner when you run in a group on com's playing together. the only servers we didn't dominate in there was another clan on the other team doing the same thing. which brought a new level of fun in a harder challenge. we even had battles with are clan against another in private servers. sadly the clan fell apart. I still play with some of them but now I use my squad of randoms as spawn points and lone wolf it. there are still those rare moments where you end up on a squad of randoms and with no verbal communication you click and play as a squad

[@Tonycaveman]

You can tell lvlcap is getting more and more bitter and cynical about this series as time passes. I have to agree with him, too. Battlefield 3 was the best this series has ever been and Battlefield 4 just threw a bunch of crap on top hoping to make it better but from my understanding made things worse

[@AlexanderFluff]

+Tonycaveman BF3 was the best......wat.

[@Skoombit]

That also brings me back to fuckton of hate towards the new Battlefront. I mean on consoles BF3 only had fucking 12vs12 and it was soooo much better than BF4. Even the amount of guns and gadgets was less but still didn't matter about the gameplay because it was pure sex. So why is Battlefront getting hate because it has less players per match and less content than the previous ones? The gameplay is on par with what BF3 had so wtf is wrong with people?!

[@reboot5598]

You obviously never played 1942 or bf2. Bf3 was the WORST bf to date

[@yamchow9905]

Now people think its the best

[@CalebHill14]

I love what you said about the assignments and how ridiculous they can be. I just unlocked the f2000 and the hardest part was the 2 kill assist ribbons in a round and the only way I could do that was to burst fire at an enemy and run away hoping a teammate would kill them. This was pretty frustrating because it required me to intentionally let an enemy live so that my teammates would kill them.

[@SuperJakeybakey]

I love getting into a game of Battlefield and my random squad members understand how to play the game properly. We work as a squad by going to the squad leader's commanded flag and provide each other meds, ammo and sometimes reps and return back to flags if they start to get capped back to the enemy again. I genuinely provide the heals, resupplies, revives and reps for the benefit of the person and team. The points for doing these things are so small I don't care about getting the points for it, I would still do these things even if they didn't reward points. I just wish more people knew how to play the game properly and better.

[@TheRandomLetsplays]

I play mostly Assault and sometimes i play Recon. For the most part i try to help whenever i can. Reviving someone to full and then standing in front and just shooting in the direction of the enemy infantry to provide covering fire for the person to retreat or get back up.

[@blackice11z]

8:00 there is no objective to land on the Caspian Tower. The mission is to get 5 kills from the top, which is much gotten to by ladders and an elevator .

[@larvieraindough2395]

i have been playing a lot of bf4 lately and i think im ready to take on levelcap. your move levelcap

[@andrewbarnes62]

great ideas LevelCap, couldn't agree more with you, well thought out! always feels so much better when we work together.

[@Scylla94941]

6:05 Hell no. If I perform a 100% revive and my team mate is completely oblivious and runs out into the open and dies then that's not my fault and it would be pretty bad to deny the 100 points for the revive. The only thing they could do is give the reviver a few bonus points if their team mate survived for a couple of seconds or got a kill.

[@DazzataR]

I generally help where I can. Stopping to pick up a team mate. Quite often I will climb stairs and drop a health kit for snipers only to jump off and defend an objective. If a commander is online I will accept orders it all adds to the fun.

[@QuickDrawWP]

I do exactly what you said and try to hold an objective. I do well when I'm squad leader and provide over watch with a LMG. If I have a squad of blueberries its goes bad, but if the players have comms and are seasoned players it is extremely effective and you still get high kdr.

[@MikeCase]

Working on the idea of staying behind to recap an objective... What about giving an increasing number of points for each time you sequentially capture a point or defend it. For example, 100 points for first cap, 200 for the halting an enemy cap at the location (assuming you haven't capped something else), 300 for recapping it (again assuming you haven't capped something else in the mean time), and so on. This would incentivize sticking around and holding a point rather than just moving on.

[@Go17Gabe]

I remember playing a round of conquest as a commander and my team reacted perfectly to my suggestions. They headed to the areas I had marked with UAV's and they took out the enemy and took those objectives. I will hold that one round close to my heart as other rounds I just get ignored.

[@yoavmaya100]

that is why MOH 2010 & WARFIGHTER shine ; combat mission,only 10x10 with in game open chat and not only squad chat. score chain rewards,helping your team rewards you with perks,you will need to work for a ucav or for mortar strike or attack helli.wishing for a new MOH

[@TheGinjaNinja946]

The tier upgrade system could promote more team play and add more beneficial perks. For example: Flak jackets which provide more health, recons call in small squad UAV that can detect enemy players within a small radius surrounding a selected squad player. Assault players could gain squad action points towards calling in a small mortar strike on a point. Engineers could gain a better repair tool or better rockets.

[@hakes98]

staying behind after an objective is capped is actually my favorite thing. i hide in the buildings, locate my enemy and catch them by suprise, relocate and wait for the next one. call me a camper but its effective both at getting kills and supporting my team. i especially love defending c and d on paracel storm. differentiating between the floors and blocking the fatal funnels is fun!

[@FortunePayback]

I hate when I'm the only one actually trying help. I never waste vehicles, and I'm throwing boxes absolutely everywhere. occasionally I stay behind and objectives because I like to maintain control. It really sucks that there isn't enough teamwork going on. When people actually do, I have a lot more fun and I usually play with those people again.

[@Striker-nq7kv]

I totally agree with you. Especially with the revive issue. One way a I think they could promote teamwork is to give players more boosts/higher scores when they work as a group. What I mean by that is, staying close to each other, or getting the objectives together.

[@gmax876]

Proximity points, points you get when hanging with your squad for an extended period of time to provide support or cover fire, the more your squad sticks together the more points everyone gets, not just by attack an objective but simultaneously assaulting overall tactical effectiveness within the vicinity.

[@ogiELman]

I usually stay to defend a point. I mostly love to do it in Siege of Shanghai on C when the skyscraper falls. Cause when you clear out C, you know that enemies will respawn at the road and come running back. So you and the teammates there take cover and try to make a stand. Makes me giggle every time.

[@smoketinytom]

On Xbox/Playstation you see it more. My reason is because consoles (Mostly Xbox from experience) actively sell many communication headsets to talk with one another, we also have party chat and to fully use it, we need a headset. Then when you're not in your party then you're in Game chat and when you do small call outs people ofter respond. And also, when you need ammo, don't waste it by shooting them.

[@JulianKramer]

+LevelCapGaminIt is actually not just the scoreboards. If you want to unlock new items, this is usually done through ramping up Ks. You simply dont get points for playing objectives that really unlock anything relevant. The system in e.g. battlefront allows you to choose what you want to do with your "earned credit" - and it would be an easy way of weighting / balancing team vs. solo activities through the credits earned. Example: Taking out a regular player =100 points. Taking out a player with a high K/D ratio and little damage taken for an extended period of time = 500 points because he seems a HVT and is probably making your teams life miserable from a remote location. Holding an objective when outnumbered = 300 points instead of 100 for a regular capture. But this only works if you can use your credit for whatever you want and are not incentivized to progress up your unlocks with Ks.

[@FakeRico]

Dice could make it so you get a large match bonus for winning and no match bonus at all if your team loses. More emphasis on W/L ratio would be helpful as well. Getting most equipment based on wins/objective oriented behavior instead of kills is another way to shift the focus.

[@liamcurtis9523]

I absolutely agree with you on the quick revive system, every time I'm on operation locker every spam revives for 20 point and then I die. and I'm right back at the spawn screen

[@matthewcowell]

I agree with most points made. Especially with KDR being a comparative thing between individual weapons and vehicles, and not a blaring overall stat. I also love the only revive on full charge thing.

[@Horsed_Beef]

This was a great video, Level. Gave me some ideas too! For teamwork initiative, say for BF5, how about they dish out points ANY time you are on a point. And those points you get are increased based off of the number of friendly or enemy players that are simultaneously on the point. It would encourage attacking AND defending an objective as you mentioned in the video, no one really stays behind to defend an objective. This would at least encourage it a little more than it already....isnt.

[@jeremyj.5687]

The way you phrase it here, it makes me wonder whether I´m the only one one drops health and ammo to people I see are in need and always charge my revive to 100. I want to win rounds, I think it feels more satisfying that having a high KDR.

[@darthbart1972]

Great commentary, Level.

[@shredd5705]

Remove K/D ratio from scoreboard and BL main page, hide it somewhere or delete completely. Replace with general score and score per death ratio. Give a lot more points for taking out a tank, repairing a tank or taking a flag/M-Com, than kills. For Rush mode put a separate M-coms armed / defused stat on end scoreboard for all to see. Remove 20% revives, only full revives. Give more points for stuff like destroyed beacons, spawns on a beacon you set up, motion sensor assists, laser marking vehicles. Not kills. Make the losing team lose half of it's XP points, only winning team members get full XP.

[@esbam2002]

I have to say I do agree with this. In my brief time in Battlelog all that mattered was a person's K/D, to the point of being a status ranking.

[@gat0rbball]

Joint Operations Typhoon rising was able to overcome the lack of defense by giving points to people who defend objectives and people get more points for flying the helicopter as a transport (anyone who gets a kill gives you points as long as they rode in vehicle and jumped out). Points were all that mattered to make top page.

[@TheSpadesOfAce]

Do what Red Orchestra/Rising Storm does. Increase kill points when you are either defending or capturing a zone. That way people will stay inside the objective zones instead of sniping out on the edges or sitting in spawn

[@3luke31]

Thanks Levelcap, I think you are 100% right. When I throw a ammo packs I never here anyone say "no thank you" I drop them all the time but I can ask for ammo dozens of times and never get anyone drop one I have even chased guys trying to get them to drop one until finally I get killed it's to bad. If you have Med packs drop them, same with ammo and repairs and recons spot,spot spot! All of these things help you and your team!

[@Morrissey2k]

Agreed about the revive part, I think it should be 100% or nothing. Maybe do the charge up rubbing animation and then stop, with the defibs still touching, so that you know its ready to go, could avoid overcharging wasting time, and also undercharging.

[@midjetman5able]

The funny thing is that the way LevelCap mentioned everything that me and my usual squadmates do on a regular basis.

[@OfficialTigerino]

The best "Only In Battlefield" moment I ever had was in this random pub BF3 Conquest game (I think it was Seine), and we were loosing really bad. Like we had half the tickets they had, with all objectives taken. It was mostly because everyone was going alone with whatever class they wanted. I wasn't all too happy, so I decided to go on chat and say I'm gonna go in as Support, with an LMG to suppress the enemy. I asked for an Assault with smoke to hide the enemy sight while I suppress them. One random guy said "Sure I be Assault", and then another guy followed, a different guy said he'll be Recon as spotter, another as aggressive recon. Another Engineer, someone said he'll take tank so he needs a Repair dude (an EOD pro said he'll do it). Soon, I had about 12 people I had no interaction with what so ever work together. It was epic. We cut through enemies like a hot knife cutting through butter. We eventually took all the objectives, and won. And the best part? The only time we communicated was when we were telling each other what role we took. Once decided, nobody had to communicate, but we all knew what each other wanted. Revive, ammo crates, spotting, healing, suppression, repair, etc. Our small group of 12 people literally won over against the whole team. All of us were doing what we did best, and with that alongside teamwork, it was just victorious. At the end, all 12 of us were spamming the chat with "GG", as the screen changed to show our scoreboard, which showed us 12 at the very top. An "Only In Battlefield" moment doesn't need any streaks or Rendezooks or whatever, just the epic creation of strangers working together for an objective, is a pure "Only In Battlefield" moment.

[@cabwap]

damn good video. I like your logic and the way you present your points in a calm manner.

[@Belly6815]

the combined kill, avenged, flag capture kill, saviour etc bonus as one seperate "combat score" would be wicked. you could have another one called support score which grouped spots, revives, ammo supplied etc score so that you had clear visible score professions. vehicle scote again could be the final tally on your main profile and match scoreboard

[@strongbad142]

choose your revive's. try to do it when there are no immediate threats, or drop them a medbag if you only revived them to a small bit of health. a good revive can change the flow of combat significantly. and if you are playing as support, drop ammo in a place where your team can use it to their advantage. or if they ask for it, Same with medbag. I play old gen console but team work should be emphasized around the board

[@FabianR87321]

I´m giving full revives because I wanna differenciate myself from all the noob revivers and it gives me the feeling of being the only competent person on the server often. Also the team moral and even effectiveness often increase dramatically when having a good reviver on the team. Anyway, great vid, very reflected.

[@AkiSan0]

best way is to reward "playing together" (the more are in the area of a flag/mcom , the more points you get, the more shooting at the same vehicle, the more points you get etc)

[@paulshobbyshop5416]

level!! I always hang back at objectives to wait for the next wave of enemy's to come capture it. I find this style of game very rewarding when I am able to hold off a squad of people and even a tank untill my squad relizes we are loosing the point and come to help great tactic!

[@PBoogerwood]

Even though ghost recon did not do well commercially or critically I thought they did a great job of encouraging co-op behavior. I'm thinking of using recon drones to scout the battlefield which wasn't entirely fun, but often I would have the highest score in the entire team because I would sit back and recon the battlefield and coordinateour squads efforts. That was very rewarding.

[@oreoi2682]

after maxing out my suppport class i purely play for my team. picking a random near me and following them covering as best i can. droping ammo behind cover and guarding those who resupply. i even throw out suppression fire for my team to move up. but i know what you mean about points defining gameplay.

[@kylequinten]

god have i been waiting for this video. let's all just face it: everything before bf4 did require some level of team play, but 4 and Hardline reward you for being a lone wolf.

[@bolipichi1]

In Battlefield 2 and Battlefield 2142 you used to earn def points back in those days and a good comander used to actually determine a match. Never had the chance to touch BF4 regarding the comander so I can't judge that part.

[@johntaylor2637]

How about implementing a peer-reward system? - where at the end of the round, you can dole out x number of points to squad/team members that helped you out during the game. Then building on that - the person with the most peer award points gets MVP for the team and/or game.

[@cristianescamilla8673]

I've never actually thought of this, I would always give out ammo cause it would help my team. Or revive in a safe spot and never really thought it was just points. Hmm, I have been revived by d-bags just getting a quick point and I see the frustration this causes. Great vid Level.

[@ElectricPyroclast]

I've always kinda hated reviving in TDM. Because it gets chaotic, people die in areas where it's not safe to run out with Defibs instead of guns. Also, if those people get revived anyway, they sometimes immediately get shot down again before they can react. I've sometimes been that person who lost a gunfight, a teammate came running at me with Defibs, and whoever killed me killed that teammate and came around and shot me again at 20 health. For this reason, I think Assault class who aren't very smart are a HUGE liability because not only do they go WAY negative (bring defibs to a gunfight) but also their revives turn out completely meaningless.

[@MrMbc77]

Something I do that usually seems to help my entire squad is... First I join a full squad that seems to be playing aggressive. Second I find a good position close to the objective and play relatively passively, letting the rest of my aggressive squad members use me as a living spawn point. I enjoy picking people off with a silenced gun, allowing my squad to bum rush the objective. As soon as we get a decent plant, (team on objective) I start playing to keep them off the bomb at all costs. Makes for a fun game imo.

[@theasbridge9661]

YES LEVELCAP! I hate how K/D is highlighted when I spend most of my match making sure my squad is capturing objectives and keeping them alive (I play medic). It does annoy me when I see myself constantly sacrificing myself in order to keep my squad members alive to either get the guy I was shooting, or capture the objective. And in the end they are the ones glorified just because they got a couple more kills than I did when I work my butt off to keep them healthy and capturing the objectives.

[@henrybloomfield4199]

For that tower assignment, you don't have to use a jet, you can simply fly a MAV and land on the roof

[@_ace_defective_]

Really? I did not know that at all... Now I can actually do the assignment without ditching valuable air assets :o Thanks for the info, really helps.

[@buttered__toast_2899]

I went on a 10 killstreak in the stealth jet then bailed for the dogtag near the end so it wasn't that big of a waste lol

[@Alva_Lombax]

speaking from personal exp. I do kinda get some teamwork from randoms sometimes, as far as I can tell you kinda have to take the first step, turn on your mic or find the right steam speak channel, but even then its not even 50-50%

[@jshawsgamingnetwork4076]

I have been in hundreds of matches that have have zero teamwork, and i believe that would make it a bit fun, i have screamed at people who just don't wanna help the team, you are right about everything in this video

[@whistletutor]

Love the idea of requiring a full charge for a revive.

[@CreideikiRox]

Excellent points, intelligent language, non-aggressive tone. Very nice video. Edit: well done!

[@boricua1151]

Just add the feature where u can grab ammo and health packs off teammates like in hardline but if u throw down ammo or health packs before anyone grabs them off you u should get a "initiative bonus where instead of 10 points per resupply or heal, u get 50 to encourage people

[@Nickhotep]

You should get a small boost if someone gets a kill with bullets you provided, or survives a hit with health you gave. I'm thinking 10 points for a "Heal Assist" or a "Supply Assist." Sort of the same way you get the suppression bonus.

[@ssmith4325]

This video needs to be shared and reposted everywhere. I think the main things wrong with the franchise right now are number 1- Level design and number 2- The points brought to light in the video

[@BrendanOriginal]

Love all the ideas in this video!

[@wolfpackdivision9191]

As you have spot bonus, kill assists etc, I would like to see Teamwork Bonus when you capture the objectives and have your squad of at least 3 including you to be able to get the bonus when they are capturing the same objective your on.

[@Thing.of.nought]

Here is my suggestion: cut all points from kills, revives, vehicle disables, etc etc by 50% so instead of 100 pints per kill you get 50 and when the battle is over if your team wins you get a 50% increase in your points so your points are the same if the point system was the same as "normally". What about losing team? well their points stay 50% down from "normal". Also when doing "teamplay" actions like giving ammo health or something else you get a 20% point increase to your action in question and if your team wins the battle you will get that 50% back to "normal" .(50% would overwrite the 20% so it would not be 70%) and member of the losing team still get little extra (that 20%) I know if this system is not perfect just something that came to mind.

[@PlayscBricks]

Since I play on X1 we don't play together but I frequently stay behind on objectives to stop the other team from taking it back. I typically choose 1 or 2 close objectives and OWN them. I don't typically get help from my squad, but have had a few good games with others. This type of game is what's more fun for me. I don't base my determination if it was a good or bad game on my KDR or W-L, but actual game play. Epic battles and back and forth captures between squads are what's fun.

[@chopperdeath]

To encourage teamwork, I try to in most games: Protect armor and repair, drop ammo frequently, watch peoples back when they repair, snipe or knife boats back in the water, use the transport heli, put spawn beacons between objectives, support attack boats with a rhib, fuck with aircraft when no one else will, use the mav if we start to lose, cap flags and stay on them until overrun, back cap solo, switch my kit to suit different needs, distract snipers so other can kill them, say thank you if someone saves my ass, repairs, runs with me to a flag or does anything even remotely helpful. Sometimes this gets people in the spirit and it is fucking cool to see my green guys in a cluster or a herd of blueberries running from flag to flag.

[@MrJustsaysean]

nothing more rewarding than tight squad play,but its so rare amongst randoms. there should be constant reminders for infantry squad players to stay with squad. if squad members are in vehicle they should be reminded to stay near fellow squad members on foot.