BATTLETECH: Black Python Battlytics | Mech Review | Mercenaries Kickstarter

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@EnderPryde
@EnderPryde 6 ай бұрын
So the thing to remember about how hyped up the Black Python gets in the fandom is that... you're reviewing the *nerfed* version of the mech. It didn't lose armor points or weapons or heat sinks or whatever, but pre-Total Warfare, Pulse Lasers used to be able to use Tar Comps "aimed shot" feature. It was nuts, back in the Battletech Master Rules, era. In fact, there's at least one interview somewhere online where the devs straight up admit that the Black Python was *the* reason those interactions were changed.
@Dmorris556
@Dmorris556 6 ай бұрын
This is a classic Randal cheese mech.
@workshoptelescope
@workshoptelescope 4 ай бұрын
It wouldn’t be a Snow Raven platform if they didn’t christen it some variation of Goth Bird, Murder Pigeon, or Shadow Wing Darkness.
@Nitscherk
@Nitscherk 7 ай бұрын
The Black Python has 13 double heat sinks... In my early days of Battletech, if you decided to put this on the plate, everybody was like: "You desperately want to win hm?". Oh, and you were still allowed to use aimed shots with pulse lasers. One time i jumped in the middle of a light/medium lance with it and all four mechs lay on the ground as shooting was over. I just noticed that is has the improved targeting (short) design quirk. Somebody out there really wants to take out the fun for the others :D.
@MrDmitriRavenoff
@MrDmitriRavenoff 6 ай бұрын
This would be even better without so many SPL's. I mean it can already wreck infantry with the MG's. The LPL's are wicked and if they dropped 2 SPL's, for extra heat sinks it would be even more brutal.
@Nitscherk
@Nitscherk 6 ай бұрын
@@MrDmitriRavenoff I would have to research but i think SPL's weren't that effective against infantry the time that this mech was designed. And it is no omni! ;) But yes of course i would throw out all the small stuff and add more MPL's and a heat sink.
@subtlewhatssubtle
@subtlewhatssubtle 6 ай бұрын
@@MrDmitriRavenoff The reason that the SPLs were included was because, at the time, they had the best damage to heat to accuracy ratio against Elementals. Yes, Clan SPLs are only range 6, but after their SRMs run out Elementals are only range 3, and the pulse bonus plus TC is a free -3 to-hit, so it was very easy to cut through them in a couple of turns.
@Magermh
@Magermh 4 ай бұрын
I agree with your review 100% but it is not broken. It is much like the Wraith in being well designed from the start. The Viper (Black Python) / (White Raven) is a menace of a mechanical marvel. This mech in its standard variant is a tournament quality winner and was a death machine in the first release of the 3055 TRO and even to this day is still relevant. I have seen players keep this mech at long range popping with the pulse lasers. With TC and "C" pulse the combo counters the movement mods from jumping. The reason these mechs are rare is the Viper (Black Python) is gated behind Steel Viper or Snow Raven. But worthy of a trial of possession. I would never object to a player getting one. Because of the MG ammo this mech is volatile to overheating that is regularly advantageous for energy loadouts. It’s no Lancelot "C" with a 3/3 or a 4/5 Bane 6 rolling lucky with precision ammo. I have seen players run 5/6 pilots and even go with 6/7. I would consider a 4/5 just because of the ammo. Because if someone hits me with inferno SRM-6s or I mash the override it would lower the chance of ammo explosion that KOs the pilot. The Plack Python 3 is the only other variant that I have seen player and yes the heavy large lasers are a handy cap but worth it when your trying to gage another players skill levels. As much as the off board matter it is still a fun variant to play. Both White Ravens I have played. The ferro-lame is effective vs weapons like LBs in cluster mode. This may be thought of as OP but has anyone player Capellon cheese of LB 20-Xs. It is more like much needed management improvements. The White Raven 2. It’s a jump striker and who forgot or lost their shin guards. Well 8 jumping MP on a heavy mech and it keeps the classic TC C pulse laser. They got rid of the ammo. Hit that over-heat like a Dragon Fly (Viper) A at rear armor and run.
@Zathul4198
@Zathul4198 6 ай бұрын
Oh hey! I’m not sure what episode it was touched upon, but I found two celebrities that indeed play (or at the very least paint) Battletech. Sam Witwer had a tweet from September 2023 of painting the two Essentials Box mechs, and Freddie Prinze Jr. has posted mechs he painted on instagram. Looks like we at least have two who are aware of its existence haha
@DeathfromAboveWargaming
@DeathfromAboveWargaming 6 ай бұрын
Need to get Freddie over for a batrep.
@subtlewhatssubtle
@subtlewhatssubtle 7 ай бұрын
This new Black Python sculpt is pretty awesome looking. Takes the "jet on legs" look and just runs with it. As for the 'Mech on the table, yeah, this thing was always a hilariously cheesy design. It just gets in close and hangs on, a bit like a Grasshopper but even more agonizing.
@DeathfromAboveWargaming
@DeathfromAboveWargaming 6 ай бұрын
Haha right - a Grasshopper that can maul you.
@subtlewhatssubtle
@subtlewhatssubtle 6 ай бұрын
@@DeathfromAboveWargamingToo true. In an ironic turn of events, because TRO 3055 published in 1992 and TRO 3058 in 1995, there was a very brief window of about a year or two where several Battletech groups called this thing the Raptor, because Jurassic Park came out June 93 and the Black Python somehow does have the velociraptor look. Of course come TRO 3058 and IS Omnis we had to stop doing that, lol.
@DeathfromAboveWargaming
@DeathfromAboveWargaming 6 ай бұрын
Haha love it.
@Ichaerus
@Ichaerus 7 ай бұрын
This looks like a 'Mech where the pilot has a tape player set up in the cockpit, to blare all sorts of music, like you see in the movie Iron Eagle.
@CaptainDestro-co1nz
@CaptainDestro-co1nz 6 ай бұрын
My Ravens love the Black Python, but yeah it is spendy. Eris-3R battlytics when?
@ANerdsNerd
@ANerdsNerd 6 ай бұрын
Given the improved targeting (short) quirk, I really love the heavier rear armor on this. JJ'ing behind enemies at point blank will stack up the kills with a whopping -4 to hit, and the extra armor on your rear helps you survive the counterplay.
@DeathfromAboveWargaming
@DeathfromAboveWargaming 6 ай бұрын
I’m not sure you really need to close though… clan lpl and mpl are crazy good at range!
@Zathul4198
@Zathul4198 7 ай бұрын
Was waiting for this one! Since discovering it via the Kickstarter I think the design looks fantastic and the weapons are killer. Also looks like a good mech for the PV in Alpha Strike as well!
@Bandit213
@Bandit213 6 ай бұрын
Clan Snow Raven and Clan Star Adder are my mains, more of each please!!! Kevin's Star Adders are amazing and I would love to see more.
@Kanas83
@Kanas83 7 ай бұрын
White Raven has Ferro Lamellar
@jamesc.7216
@jamesc.7216 7 ай бұрын
The Viper/Dragonfly's big brother got a serious bump to it's curb appeal with the CGL redesign. What the Black Pythons do: Dance on the graves of their enemies.
@jasonliang2932
@jasonliang2932 7 ай бұрын
More a Snow Raven thing ^ ^ "A Snow Raven always pays his debts" and all that
@jamesc.7216
@jamesc.7216 2 ай бұрын
​@@jasonliang2932 The Snow Raven versions on this mech are even meaner than the prime. One is a very tough all range brawler and the other is a 75 ton short range assassin that can jump 8 hexes. Both with targeting computer to keep that 98% chance to hit.
@lukedudley5030
@lukedudley5030 6 ай бұрын
Always love the analytical vids :-) I gotta agree pulse with targeting computer is just dirty :-) a mech ive never seen but cheers for the warning...kill quick if I ever do :-)
@DeathfromAboveWargaming
@DeathfromAboveWargaming 6 ай бұрын
Or flip the table and run 😂
@lukedudley5030
@lukedudley5030 6 ай бұрын
@@DeathfromAboveWargaming yeah last time I did that I didn't run qui k enough lol :-)
@jasonliang2932
@jasonliang2932 7 ай бұрын
moar Snow Raven? Please yes! caw! caw! McKenna! caw! caw!
@thornjo5409
@thornjo5409 6 ай бұрын
Love using the black python in my star adder second line combined arms stars. makes for a reliable star commander while the protos and tanks are moving up.
@jasonrucker4722
@jasonrucker4722 6 ай бұрын
Nice review, never played it, but will consider once I ever get the Kickstarter delivered. I would drop the jump jets, small pulse, and add med pulse lasers or er medlasers. It will become a direct fire nightmare with a high skilled pilot.
@madcat3525
@madcat3525 7 ай бұрын
Great video! Looking forward to more videos.
@redbaronsnoopy2346
@redbaronsnoopy2346 7 ай бұрын
As always, luv the content Aaron. Thank you for time and efforts. I would pay to see a long large scale cannon (actual/table/head) driven campaign with you, Thom, and Dan. would be a hoot...
@DeathfromAboveWargaming
@DeathfromAboveWargaming 6 ай бұрын
Thanks! Canon campaigns are always tricky because the dice don’t always do what we want 😁
@redbaronsnoopy2346
@redbaronsnoopy2346 6 ай бұрын
@@DeathfromAboveWargaming That's the fun of rando headshot makes sure you better have had back up plans... ;-P
@DeathfromAboveWargaming
@DeathfromAboveWargaming 6 ай бұрын
@redbaronsnoopy2346 hahah spoken like a man who has seen his share of pilots blown out the backside of their ‘mechs 😂
@redbaronsnoopy2346
@redbaronsnoopy2346 6 ай бұрын
@@DeathfromAboveWargaming Yeppers! You haven't played Battletech unless best laid plans go up in smoke due to your buddy's luck dice rolls, that's all RPGs... lmfao!
@DeathfromAboveWargaming
@DeathfromAboveWargaming 6 ай бұрын
@redbaronsnoopy2346 hahaha 100%!!!
@MrUndeadZed
@MrUndeadZed 7 ай бұрын
Love the cgl sculpt for this mech, and some of the painted models that have shown up on camp specs made me wish I had chosen the force pack with this mec in it. Alas I have to wait for the box to hit retail.
@misterbeeps
@misterbeeps 7 ай бұрын
Black Python has 13 double heat sinks, but can it cool off Aaron's HOT dice?
@DeathfromAboveWargaming
@DeathfromAboveWargaming 6 ай бұрын
My dice are ice cold.
@misterbeeps
@misterbeeps 6 ай бұрын
​@@DeathfromAboveWargaming Like the ice cold eyes of a hired killer.
@NotMyGoogleID
@NotMyGoogleID 7 ай бұрын
Are you going to cover other mechs in the mercs kickstarter? I'd love to watch the review on the Marauder II, the Quads, and... the CHARGER for fun
@DeathfromAboveWargaming
@DeathfromAboveWargaming 6 ай бұрын
We have a whole playlist of ‘mechs we have reviewed. I did the Scorpion if I recall, a while back.
@Ichaerus
@Ichaerus 7 ай бұрын
MWO players would love to use this 'Mech. Pulse laser weaponry, targeting computer, important weapons mounted in torsos...
@patriotjedi530
@patriotjedi530 7 ай бұрын
Can already do that with the Timber Wolf in MWO.
@NRSGuardian
@NRSGuardian 7 ай бұрын
It seems the Steel Vipers and Snow Ravens don't trust their solahma's aim, but trust their experience in every other department. This thing is a scalpel and a duelist, perfect for a Clam style trial where an experienced warrior can just carve his opponent to pieces one on one. Between the jump jets and excellent short-range capability it also makes a great urban fighter, and can absolutely bully lighter Mechs. The only real weakness this Mech has is against opponents with Reflective Armor.
@DeathfromAboveWargaming
@DeathfromAboveWargaming 6 ай бұрын
Ah, so that’s what the MGs are for… 😁
@HouseDavieMerc
@HouseDavieMerc 7 ай бұрын
The only bad thing about the Viper is that despite it's appearance it's only arm mounted weapon is the 2 MGs. VERY unusual for a clan design. If you can get behind it with something like a Falconer it can't effectively respond outside of it's forward arc. As for everyone saying it has 13 HS-my up to date sheets say it has 12 doubles. I also could have sworn that it could fire both large pulse, jump, and STILL cool down. That doesn't mean anyone is really wrong. When the Viper came out fractional counting was allowed and some mechs official stats had to be changed. Several 75 tonners were effected by that change because of their engines and endo steel. I wonder if the Viper was one of them and the "official up to date" version lost a H/S.
@DeathfromAboveWargaming
@DeathfromAboveWargaming 6 ай бұрын
Yah I am confused on the sinks as well. Could swear megamek has it at 12 as well… but would need to go back and check!
@SupermarketZombies
@SupermarketZombies 7 ай бұрын
One of my favorite favorite redesigns (although I do have a soft spot for the original)
@malusignatius
@malusignatius 7 ай бұрын
The Black Python is brutal. I think the fact you can't location-snipe with pulse weapons keeps it from being too OP but it's still an incredibly nasty 'mech. It's high BV is also something to consider. There's a lot of Assault 'mechs that come in cheaper so running a Black Python's a hefty investment for a Heavy 'mech. even by Clan standards. Sure, a Black Python's tough, it's not 'I can face down an Atlas no worries' tough. However, if you can afford the BV, you won't find many better heavy laserboats in the game. And pity the poor light 'mech or fast medium the Python gets into it's sights, that mechwarrior's going to have a very bad day.
@sharlin648
@sharlin648 6 ай бұрын
I'd disagree, if the Black Python can control the range, then it sure as hell can take down an Atlas, it'll just take some time :D
@MrDmitriRavenoff
@MrDmitriRavenoff 6 ай бұрын
I feel like it coukd dance around at range with an Atlas taking 10 point chunks off, while the Atlas can only return fire with an LRM-20. Even a more advanced Atlas would have to deal with a possible +3 TMM and that's going to make it difficult when the pulse lasers are taking away 2 of that for the BP.
@malusignatius
@malusignatius 6 ай бұрын
@@sharlin648 and @MrDimitriRavenhoff: Hence the 'No Worries' qualifier. As you said, if you're careful and have room to manoeuvre, yes, you could take down an Atlas if you use your 'mech's advantages and it isn't one of the longer-ranged focussed variants. My point was that the Black Python isn't an auto-win, and if you go assault hunting you have to play to your strengths or it's likely to go badly for you.
@jakeraven2741
@jakeraven2741 7 ай бұрын
you guys are great. great mech, cant wait to get 5
@DeathfromAboveWargaming
@DeathfromAboveWargaming 6 ай бұрын
You’re great! Thanks for watching! 🙂
@rotwang2000
@rotwang2000 7 ай бұрын
The only way to make it even more broken is to make it a Stealth Black Python.
@sharlin648
@sharlin648 7 ай бұрын
One of the most broken 'Mechs of its type, whilst it does not hit hard, the consistency of its firepower, especially if you spend the points and bung a Clan pilot on there are horrific. Its the fun police. And yeah its the value of 2 x Warhammers or Marauders from 3025, it could rip them apart because of the range of the LPL's and the -3 or god forbid, -4 to hit.
@DeathfromAboveWargaming
@DeathfromAboveWargaming 6 ай бұрын
100% correct. Love “fun police” haha so accurate!!
@sharlin648
@sharlin648 6 ай бұрын
@@DeathfromAboveWargaming But if you think this thing is monsterous, look at the Supernova 4, that thing is a bucket of boiling hot cheese that you dump on your opponents screaming face.
@DeathfromAboveWargaming
@DeathfromAboveWargaming 6 ай бұрын
@sharlin648 LOL mmm cheesy fondue
@fluidfox1436
@fluidfox1436 27 күн бұрын
Fun Police fits this thing perfectly
@Miranda_Ghost
@Miranda_Ghost 7 ай бұрын
Beware the White Raven 2 ...
@Whitewing89
@Whitewing89 7 ай бұрын
I think I'll paint mine like the planet exspress ship.
@DeathfromAboveWargaming
@DeathfromAboveWargaming 6 ай бұрын
lol
@sebastiang.5032
@sebastiang.5032 7 ай бұрын
Hiiiighway to the Daaanger Zone! 😂
@fmailaender
@fmailaender 7 ай бұрын
Friends of mine tried the Locust Swarm. 6 Locusts against that thing. I personally did bet on the Swarm. What I did not realize is, that this thing even hits Locusts reliably, while it also generates some to hit modifiers and did not eat 30 Damage a Round but much less. It was a total wipe.
@MrDmitriRavenoff
@MrDmitriRavenoff 6 ай бұрын
How would that ever be a fair fight even by BV standards? I'd put 12 against it and that might be close to fair. 10 damage on a Locust is almost a death sentence and the Clan MPL doesn't play either.
@hermes7587
@hermes7587 5 ай бұрын
Any Mech with Clan MPLs or LPLs wipes the floor with bug Mechs. The only defense of the Locust is speed but even with a +4 movement modifier a Black Python will hit it.
@duanewong1527
@duanewong1527 6 ай бұрын
It looks like a real LAM design, or a Champion on steroids
@DeathfromAboveWargaming
@DeathfromAboveWargaming 6 ай бұрын
All the ‘mechs that look like they should be LAMs are not!
@barrybb5409
@barrybb5409 18 күн бұрын
Tank with legs? No. They clearly slapped some gi joe jet onto some legs.
@carlwells9504
@carlwells9504 4 ай бұрын
I wish this didn’t have ammo so I could overheat it more.
@derekburge5294
@derekburge5294 7 ай бұрын
*How* many clan pulse does it boat?! Cripes. The TC is just bad manners at that point.
@HouseMasterPoDing
@HouseMasterPoDing 7 ай бұрын
The efficiency isn't as high as I would have thought for a clan cheeseball. Not something I would take, but a solid design all around. I still think I would take 2 IS heavies over this thing, but that's just me. I'd also rip off the MG's, as they are completely useless on this thing.
@DeathfromAboveWargaming
@DeathfromAboveWargaming 6 ай бұрын
The MGs are there because whoever designed this mech felt dirty and thought throwing some trash weapons on it would balance things out.
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