BATWOMAN 2x02 REVIEW | Why Should the Audience Care When the Writers Don't?

[@korrinmichealson5344]

Am I the only one that thinks Not killing a character because they are gay is offensive?

[@valentinegonsalves7322]

Not really. Because these are CW writers, and they'll probably find a legitimate explanation like, oh, God hates gays, and so Kate's soul was thrown back into her body after she "died" and she was "undied" and will never die.

[@Angyali]

I just gave the 100. like to your comment.

[@budgiecat9039]

@@valentinegonsalves7322 no because the writers are desperately hoping Ruby Rose comes back to the show one day (if the show is still on)

[@danieldb631]

I could see why that would be. For one, it shows the writers don't have a spine. They're unwilling to take a chance. For the other, it shows they're not willing to treat a gay person the same as any other character.

[@BurningBridgesForever]

No.

[@matthewbrown2500]

The writing for these episodes are 30% political and 70% stupid.

[@zjungta]

I checked you math, and somehow you got it wrong. It is actually 100% political, 100% stupid and 100% insulting to fans of Batman, DC Comics and superheroes in general. I know that adds up to 300%, but that just shows how bad the show is. It breaks mathamatics.

[@matthewbrown2500]

@@zjungta Oh silly me, I must have forgotten to factor in season 1.

[@popmonika]

You forgot 100% against common sense and logic!!

[@claytonjaggers2775]

40 60

[@keiichimorisato98]

Nice.

[@benp23]

"If we're gonna find Kate, we have to work together." "Please don't." 🤣🤣🤣

[@valentinegonsalves7322]

Ikr... More to the point, at least Jacob has the Crows resources to go looking for Kate. Wtf is Mary gonna do to help? You're a med student running an illegal hospital. And the Bat-cave doesn't need interns. The only reason Mary's on the show is because her mom got killed and so she's the only Asian left. And I say that as an Asian myself.😂😂

[@MamaMOB]

The writers really think the rat is going to come back to the sinking ship don’t they???

[@MFBooks-gy5nz]

What’s really annoying about that flashback, is that that’s how batman inspired Kate in the comics!!! She was on her way home from a club or something, and she was jumped by some muggers before batman swoops in and saves her!!! I’m gonna say it now! Every accomplishment that batman has ever done, will be going to Batwoman; Save Gotham? Batwoman! Defeat a meta-human? Batwoman! Root out corruption in Gotham? Batwoman! Start the Bat-Family? Batwoman! Become the worlds greatest detective? Batwoman!!! Hell I wouldn’t be surprised if they pulled another universe altering ass-pull and have it where batman never existed and there has only ever been Batwoman!!!!

[@lostsoul4784]

The animated film Batman Bad Blood did a solid Batwoman A okay written charater, her origin was based on the comics and her entire personality wasn’t based around her being a Lesbian P. S. And she had her classic non-lethal guns, that was actually really important detail with her charater

[@leonarddement4058]

You do realize Bruce killed the joker and ruined the reputation of Batman??? Of course they want the creds to go to her!

[@MFBooks-gy5nz]

@@leonarddement4058 yeah why did he kill the joker again?! Did they ever explain that?

[@leonarddement4058]

@@MFBooks-gy5nz no. Luke said it to Kate after HE killed someone at the end of season 1. "Ever wonder why Joker hasn't popped up in 5 years? Your Not the only bat who's killed!"

[@MFBooks-gy5nz]

@@leonarddement4058 of course they didn’t!!! Why on earth would you need to explain that massive plot point!!! Also did Batwoman co-opt BATMANS one rule?!?!

[@justinbrummett]

Thorias: Kate Kane is still haunting me Me playing therapist: No she isn't Thorias, Kate is gone now. She can't hurt you anymore

[@featherguardian6023]

I think his talking about the characters that support and believe Kate Kane is a great person.😕😕😕🤢🤢🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮

[@MamaMOB]

No but Ryan can 😈

[@featherguardian6023]

@@MamaMOB they are both awful characters in different ways.

[@SSingh-nr8qz]

One the doll, show me where Kate hurt you.

[@featherguardian6023]

@@SSingh-nr8qz Possibility everywhere.

[@Nemesis0921]

The whole bit of her saying the Captain doesn't wanna put a bullet in her because she's white was such low hanging fruit. I get that her knowing that Alice was his daughter was too soon but they could've been more creative with that.

[@Underworlddream]

Was it in last season he was willing to kill her but Batwomen got in the way?

[@haku8135]

@@Underworlddream Yes. Yes it was. Also, THEY FUCKING ARRESTED HER! Alice was IN JAIL, BUT SHE ESCAPED! So the CROWS actually DID arrest her, KATE is the one that repeatedly let her the fuck go!

[@e2daron]

@@haku8135 Not only that, while Alice was locked up in Arkham she was running the place along w/ Mouse while they were planning to take down Batwoman. When Kate finds out about their plan, instead of informing Arkham she takes out their guards to try to handle Alice herself which led to the Arkham inmates--along with her--breaking out.

[@haku8135]

@@e2daron Ryan should really be spitting on that fucking costume at every opportunity. If anyone, SHE should be Batwoman's nemesis, she has the most motivation.

[@thoriasunlimited4053]

Ryan: Jacob Kane refuses to kill Alice because she's white! Jacob: *literally tries to murder Batwoman on the freaking news*

[@gerard2383]

Show should be renamed "BATVICTIM" i hate how ryan sees herself as the victim every chance she gets.

[@patrickmcguire7896]

That's just how the writers and all SJW's see black people

[@thepayne7862]

To the tune of the 60's Batman series intro "Na Na Na Na Na, Na Na Na Na , BatVictim!!"

[@gerard2383]

@Gentleman Murk The thing with the Joker is that you really coudnt tell if his stories were true or just made up. The Batwoman truly believes the world is against her.

[@haku8135]

@@gerard2383 Joker was insane and saw everything as a joke (probably because he knew he was in a comic book) and even he himself said if he's going to have a backstory, it ought to be multiple choice. Ryan is just black, and therefore is a victim. She's SO black and gay she's preaching about how hard black people have it. To a BLACK GUY. One, who is RICH. Cause black people have it so fucking hard!

[@MamaMOB]

I’d get behind that title change.

[@themetallicblur1315]

"This city needs a Batwoman!" No. It needs a Nightwing. It needs a Red Hood. It needs a Red Robin. It needs literally any other member of the Bat-family.

[@andrewcurlutu6422]

Well, Red Hood would certainly thin the criminal herd, if rather messily and permanently.

[@LightningFox7]

@@andrewcurlutu6422 True on that. He's still my favorite character

[@Xehanort10]

I'm starting not to blame Batman for abandoning the CW Gotham City. There's no hope for this version of it. And with "protectors" like the thief and misandrist Kate Kane and Ryan "Anyone who criticises me in any way is racist" Wilder I'm surprised this version of Gotham hasn't been completely destroyed and all its people killed.

[@simonhurt9666]

I’d take professor pyg of all people as opposed to this Batwoman

[@Darklight5953]

Alice: *Breathes* Everybody: "ALICE IS PLANNING SOMETHING BIG!!!"

[@simonhurt9666]

Batwoman: “What are you up to Alice?” Alice: “… I don’t know.”

[@mememe4188]

So Alice gave the city a disease that came from bats... REALLY SUBTLE writters.

[@valentinegonsalves7322]

And the cure is an Asian med-student girl's blood. Because you know...according to Hollywood, all of us Asians are doctors/medical students purely because we are actually blood-thirsty vampires who also know martial arts...and Batwoman shares a universe with fu*king Dracula.

[@thoriasunlimited4053]

Yeah, I wonder if there might have been a metaphor hidden in there somewhere.

[@andrewcurlutu6422]

@@thoriasunlimited4053 Don't bother looking for hidden meanings with this show Thorias. That's a sure way to go 'round the bend, just like the show's writers have obviously done.

[@reerjgiorge]

And yet, we have seen that ridiculous writting in almost every single show, including last seasons of Gotham, and other shows. Its only now that apparently viewers reached their patience limit? probably. But im amazed why people are so angry about the writting of Batwoman, when every single show regarding superheroes these days is garbaje.

[@joeblow1830]

Was the corpse Asian? Did Mouse consume a bat before it burst from his chest? I mean, there are no rules in this show so, whatever.

[@scottweber2297]

Most places don’t even allow you to get a security license, if you have a felony record. And, of all the things people learn in prison, none are positive

[@thepayne7862]

What better way to learn to be a better criminal than comparing notes in prison.

[@valentinegonsalves7322]

That's a valid point. But the show is doubly bad... Because in the real world, there's organizations and charities that help ex-convicts find work and start small businesses. And this damned show acknowledges that by having Ryan Wilder talk to a social worker, who literally gives her a good idea about potential employment.

[@haku8135]

What's even fucking dumber is PLEADING GUILTY when you're innocent. Is EVIDENCE a non-factor? If she didn't do it, there should be clear evidence she didn't do it. She plead guilty, she doesn't even get a CHANCE to defend herself! She literally walked in and said "I did the crime" and now she's walking around saying "No i didn't do the crime, i both LIED in court and made the dumbest possible decision thinking it would improve my situation" Yeah i'm not hiring that idiot either, i'd be afraid she'd fucking SMASH the toilet so she didn't have to clean it. Then she's given a really good idea to make money, and completely ignores it. So she's not reliable. She's a liar. She has a TRACK RECORD of making really poor decisions. She really wants to murder someone in vengeance. She's fighting an insane psychopath. She's an expert martial artist......... Are they stealing Jason Todd too?

[@GingerZombie29]

@@haku8135 How dare you! She's a victim! It's because she's black! And a lesbian! REEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!! - CW executives

[@MamaMOB]

Yea that’s not true.

[@travisb.honest2438]

The writig of this show is inconsistant. The Crows are written as a security firm, then an arm of the GCPD, the only police force, a vigilanty group, and a paramilitary group. Sometimes all in span of 15 minutes.

[@andrewdiaz3529]

Do they have a full name or is that it? Like, are they really "CROW PRIVATE MILITARY AND LAW ENFORCEMENT CONTRACTORS LLC" or the "C.R.O.W.S" or is that just it?

[@travisb.honest2438]

@@andrewdiaz3529 Crows Security is the full name of them as at the start of the series they were just protecting the upper-class. By the end of season 1, they were the only law enforcement agencey as the GCPD seemed to disapear as the Crows started to be put in places the GCPD should be.

[@sarasunshinemt4444]

Well, by the end of this season, they will be known as a white supremacist group & a sub-sect of the Proud Boys, all in one.

[@mr.battle20]

@@sarasunshinemt4444 As an aside, the media claims the Proud Boys are a white supremacist group. Which is interesting, considering they're led by Enrique Tarrio, a black Cuban guy. Either the media is lying, or the Proud Boys are the worst white supremacists in history.

[@elperrodelautumo7511]

Truly the story for the crows replacing the GCPD would’ve been a better sub plot than the main story itself. At least the theory plot twist of why the crows took over the job of the GCPD is because the crow top members excluding Jacob have conspired to replace the local GCPD and using their dark history of corruption and abuse of power, they slowly savage the image of the GCPD further down negative instead of 20% approval. Using the media to portray the local police as shitty individuals. Portraying the Crows as more effective law enforcement department. Acting like a people approved police force. 👮‍♀️ Even the recruits would look like trainees for white supremacy groups. Their inability to uphold the law. Make them protect the 1% while the crows end up protect the citizens of all classes: poor, middle and upper. Also acting like a pro equal rights organization while portraying the GCPD as racial profilers. Maybe the high investment involves some special spy ops team committing espionage towards corporations, local and international. Using some blackmail on the top executives to invest in protection from the crows. As well as advocating class and worker protection. To the point that it has the mayor, the governor, and senator of Gotham city state in their pockets to slowly disband the GCPD. With one false flag attack involving a raid that causes major collateral damage towards its citizens to the point of media and citizen outrage. The citizens of Gotham push their ACAB shout out towards the GCPD. And the crows would protect the citizens and feed the homeless and shelter them. Doing the actions that the local GCPD lack the budget to do. Having the citizens to shout out disband the GCPD and the crows would agree to advocate the GCPD disbandment. The Crows would recruit volunteers with “permission” from the local citizens. Truly earning the citizens trust. Also some redistribution of wealth and welfare to the poorest of citizens. Thus the crows would finally replace the GCPD as their end goal reach its conclusion despite obstacles that could’ve turn against their interests to replace the local police.

[@TheShelby313]

I think a lot of people will agree that the actors aren’t the main problem, but the writers are. It doesn’t matter how much replacing you do if it isn’t the writers nothing is going to change

[@andrewd1131]

Honestly yeah, that’s also how I feel about the flash

[@thepayne7862]

Agreed even if you are an actor at say Tom Hanks, Meryl Streep or Daniel Day Lewis's level if the writing is crap there is only so much you can do with it as an actor.

[@40KWill]

Even Ruby Rose could have been "successful" with good writing.

[@CJ-kg7yq]

@@40KWill You are giving Rose far too much credit

[@robbiepolo7634]

@@40KWill no ruby rose can't act, the best writing in the world can't change that.

[@samuelespinelli7445]

"...beats me why she's driving that (the batmobile) when she could have taken her van, it's faster"" this one floored me :)

[@thoriasunlimited4053]

Well, the van did outrace the batmobile in the season premiere. I don't recall them retconning that yet.

[@andrewcurlutu6422]

@@thoriasunlimited4053 Yet, anyway. Give it time. One of the writers may have a sudden brief attack of common sense.

[@samuelespinelli7445]

@@thoriasunlimited4053 i don't see a scenario in wich that question would be posed again, but if there was one they surely would

[@gilbert291]

Any of the writers getting a sudden brief attack of common sense would have him/her/they/them etc thrown off the show in an instant.

[@MangaMaster13]

I'll be truly surprised if Batwhamen gets a third season. Though, the CW may just be stupid enough to renew this show.

[@Lennox1224]

I’m praying for a 3rd season, I don’t even watch the show but the reviews are funny as hell.

[@mememe4188]

@@Lennox1224 Thorias, Jlongbone and EFAP have hilarious reaction of this show.

[@diegojimenezaguado5421]

Oh, I assure you it's gonna be a 3rd season.

[@francisplante4379]

I hope there is a third season,watching thorias rip a new asshole to Batwoman every week is my favorite antidepressants

[@ronwan1408]

I won't be surprised. The CW would be willing to lose money just to spread their agenda.

[@skippyrosy4585]

"'TENTION!!!" "At ease, Men! Men, I need to ask something very important that only you, as Men, can do. I know, and understand the sacrifices you've all made over this past year......but we are in a time of great need, and our fellow youtubers need us at this critical moment." *A young recruit stands up among the crowd* 'WE ARE READY FOR ANY CHALLENGE, SARG!!!" "I'm proud to hear that, Soldier! The numbers are in. And it's not looking good. Episode 1 of 'Batwoman' only pulled in 640 thousand viewers. HELL! The Critical Drinker alone has over 700 thousand views on his review of the first episode!" *chuckles* "Laugh. But if the viewer numbers continue to decline, the CW WILL cancel the show before season 2 ends!" *cheers from the men* "And with the season cancelled........there will be no more reviews!" *cries of anguish from the men* "What can we do, Sarg!!" "I need you brave Men to......to....go to the CW channel and.....and watch every episode of Batwoman." *the men scream with the broken spirit of PTSD and run out of the great hall* *A lonely soldier stands in the great hall. In a timid voice he speaks* "But......but, Sarg. I did my tour on Hell's Channel. I....I watched episode 10 of season 1." *He shakes and a tear runs down his cheek* "The innocent if proven gay episode.........twice. No more. Please......."

[@TheReclaimer1321]

*The sergeant places a firm hand on the soldier’s shoulder, pain in his eyes* “I know son, I know. And we know we don’t have the right to ask this of you...But for the sake of our country, we need you and your brothers’ bravery, one more time...”

[@peterkrochmalni673]

Is this the kamekaze Scotsman skit? Because, there is no time to lose.

[@sarasunshinemt4444]

"We who are about to die salute you!"

[@peterkrochmalni673]

“Now, what have we got here? Stone. Stone. Stone. And scissors. Scissors cut everything, right?”

[@unterdessen8822]

Thorias' reviews are SO good... but they're not worth going on a media suicide mission. Trust me. There will be other crappy shows. As long as SJWs are in the entertainment industry, we're safe and can enjoy this poor, lost soul torture himself in front of a screen. Let's have a moment of silence for Thorias' huge brain and what it has to go through because of us sinners.

[@BrennanCh06]

Shockingly, knowing how to beat people up is a *small* portion of the job of security guard. Things like understanding and following policy as well as attention to detail are way more important.

[@williamcronshaw5262]

From what I've seen most Security Guards just watch cameras and call the police if something goes wrong.

[@MamaMOB]

And logistics is about 60% of security. Paperwork! It makes the world go round. Ryan would easily have gotten a job as a security guard. They would’ve just stuck her at some oil rig doing nothing but logistics, no security whatsoever. I know because security is my profession.

[@MamaMOB]

@@williamcronshaw5262 then you’re only watching TV and movies. Most security guards don’t have cameras to watch. And the ones that do tend to do rounds. Where they actually have to walk through where the security cameras are so that they can secure the parts the security cameras don’t show. TV and movies do not do security justice. Stop assuming that TV and movies are telling you the truth because they’re not!

[@James_Bee]

"These people are lucky the poison, being distrupted via bat bites, wasn't as potent as the original or they'd all have died within minutes". There. I fixed it. One stupid line would have, at the very least, explained it. Writers in mainstream entertainment these days... fan fiction writers. All of them.

[@nielskeupink8472]

You would think it would be that easy right? I think therefore like he said, it almost has to be intentional.

[@AteshSeruhn]

Not just fan fiction writers. Bottom of the barrel ones. The average fan fiction is much more coherent than this.

[@MamaMOB]

Don’t insult fan fiction writers like that! Some of them do a lot of research!

[@James_Bee]

I've read a lot of fan fiction. I'm not convinced. There are always exceptions, but I've seen tons of comments and upvotes on fan fiction that I would PAY to unread.

[@nnnnmhughuuhhjiijj9457]

@@James_Bee How many have you read?

[@chrisbaker8533]

That whole victim narrative falls apart pretty quick. She's handed the mantle of the bat on a silver platter. Has access to the resources of wayne enterprises. And lives in a van down by the river with her plant. Where's the victim again?

[@MamaMOB]

My assumption is that the CW doesn’t have the rights to the majority of Wayne Manor. Otherwise both of these bitches would’ve been living there. It just makes logistical sense.

[@CrisisComics]

@@MamaMOB Considering that Wayne Manor only showed up when Bruce did, that would make sense.

[@joeblow1830]

When Bruce disappeared, so did his house. All that’s left is the company. And batcave.

[@Comic3247]

if we get another arrowverse crossover I can't wait to see everyone be like "who are you and why are you wearing Kate's suit"

[@Kayback]

Wasn't she the Paragon of Courage? But what, only temporarily?

[@Here_is_Waldo]

@@Kayback Apparently the suit is what makes Batwoman a hero, so I guess the suit might be the Paragon of Courage?

[@Comic3247]

@@Kayback Kate being a paragon was the stupidest thing ever

[@tymiller2903]

It's even funnier when you realize that the CW were trying really hard to recreate the relationship between Oliver and Barry with Kara and Kate. They set up multiple scenes in crisis to make people think they are friends, and Ruby left the show only to replace by a different character entirely.

[@patrickmcguire7896]

@@Comic3247 True but to be fair that whole "Paragon" subplot in general was even stupider

[@primella8135]

“Alice is always planning something big”😂😂😂

[@thomasraines1396]

The fast acting poison not being a fast acting poison is exactly what the writers did on the Flash in regards to time: Reverse Flash’s ancestor dies so he instantly starts being erased from existence, a guy named Savitar unintentionally undoes his own creation but he doesn’t instantly disappear he sticks around for the remainder of the episode because the plot says he can.

[@haku8135]

HAH! Erased from existence. You mean erased from the season.

[@thomasraines1396]

@@haku8135 yeah they just keep bringing the fucker back, apparently these hacks don’t know the saying “to much exposure”, seriously the schmuck has been in every single season regardless of if he has any actual reason to be there (his appearance in season 4 is a great example as he literally just there)

[@zerofudou5689]

Actually that is one of the things the writers of Flash have gotten right with a character from the comics, Reverse Flash is a paradox and no matter how many times he gets erased from existence. The Reverse Flash always eventually returns to make Barry's life a living hell.

[@thomasraines1396]

@@zerofudou5689 Thawne returning eventually isn’t the problem, the problem is that he has been in EVERY season regardless of if he has a reason to be there. Imagine if every single thing related to Batman featured the Joker, in some cases he’s a major antagonist in others he’s literally just there to be there, that’s what the writers have done with Thawne, they know he’s a fan favorite so they keep showing him because they know fans of the schlock will watch if he’s in it.

[@Xehanort10]

@@thomasraines1396 And they've never explained how the original Reverse Flash from Season 1 came back in Crisis on Earth X despite Eddie committing suicide to erase Eobard from existence. Just waved it off with "Time travel's complicated." At least the version from Flash Season 3's first episode and Legends Season 2 was a time remnant Barry stopped from killing his mother Nora until he was forced to let him go and kill Nora again to fix time. So at least that version's existence was explained.

[@emank03]

“If she wasn’t white” That bit killed me fam💀💀🤦🏾‍♂️

[@urdilatedeyez]

I heard that line and immediately turned off my tv 🤦‍♂️💀

[@thelostintranslation157]

The worst a bad show can be is boring, I was so bored I thought about filing my taxes again just to gain some kind of near death excitement

[@SSingh-nr8qz]

LOL don't forget to do those line deductions. That would be damn near suicidal!

[@thelostintranslation157]

@@SSingh-nr8qz oh no batwoman's....... shit i just wrote my cat down as a deducible

[@TheModeler99]

lol I broke my ribs

[@maxheadroom4659]

BRUCE WAYNE RETURNS "Let me get this straight. I leave, and you let my cousin and a complete stranger in turn, steal all my bat tech, and hang out in my secret lair. You are all FIRED"

[@simonhurt9666]

Bruce Wayne: “EXCEPT LUKE!”

[@Groomsman]

They spent the last third of episode 17 to justifying Kate killing a guy by throwing Batman under the bus, just to have the same guy who threw Batman under the bus say that Batwoman doesn’t kill. Batman killed, but Batwoman? Never!

[@hassathunter2464]

"I'M INNOCENT. I was framed. I am innocent!" "Oh, I spend all my time around criminals." Wait. What? I mean, if she means when incarcinated that really makes no difference or sense as a reason for being Batwoman, so what is it. Did they leave that in from her being a drugrunner before they changed it to professional victim?

[@Nabinut]

I mean the writers couldn't use ALL the stereotypes for her, so they made it in a "I was framed" angle.

[@MamaMOB]

These people think that literally everyone who is poor is a criminal. Since she’s homeless she spends all of her time with poor people therefore she spends all of her time with criminals. You have to keep in mind these are the elite of the elite‘s. They’ve never actually experienced suburban life let alone actual city life.

[@MrBlacHaze]

At this point I'm Just waiting for her to get a Unicorn to Ride . Baticorn

[@Mysikrysa]

Everything with the bats sounds like a 6 years old kid´s attempt to write a horror story. :D

[@HalfbreedTrini]

It’s funny you say that, because my daughter figured everything out on her own

[@dennisridolfijr8353]

Why is fascism fine in the show? The writers believe that all real life cops are fascists. Waiting for a POCs can't be racist line in a future episode

[@leonarddement4058]

You mean the fact that the star is black and the cops are white and blaming a woman for crimes they didn't do???

[@politicallycorrectredskin796]

Fascism is fine as long as it's leftist fascism. Anyone who has ever tried to comment on Mary Sue knows that.

[@leonarddement4058]

@@politicallycorrectredskin796 according to the left, the right are the ONLY ones that deserve fascist remarks. THEY are the "good guys" yuck. I just threw up in my mouth.

[@politicallycorrectredskin796]

@@leonarddement4058 Yes, but fascists always pretend they're the good guys. What they are exploiting is what is called left cover. The leftist media will never criticize leftist fascists rampaging in the streets, but will nitpick a conservative if he puts his socks on in the wrong order.

[@leonarddement4058]

@@politicallycorrectredskin796 yep. Get used to that. It will go on for 8 years.

[@khfan4life365]

Here’s the problem: Replacing an actor or actress will change nothing if the writing is still horrible. The only way terrible writing can get better is if you fire the bad writers and replace them with better writers. It doesn’t matter how good the show’s actors and actresses are. There is only so much actors/actresses can do if the writing is crap.

[@thomasraines1396]

What “legacy” does Kate have? How long was she active in universe? A few weeks? A month or two? Also what did she do that would actually stand the test of time? She didn’t stop anything major, the most impressive thing she did was stop a train from crashing, there is no “legacy”.

[@haku8135]

I mean i'd consider completely shattering all laws of physics with a bike and a rope counts as pretty fucking major, but.... but not in the way they want.

[@GingerZombie29]

How many times did she let criminals go?

[@haku8135]

@@GingerZombie29 Every time they were gay or related to her. Literally every time.

[@thomasraines1396]

@@GingerZombie29 she let Alice go several times and more recently those schmucks that mugged Ryan. It’s to numerous to mention.

[@budgiecat9039]

It was about a year when you factor in the crossovers

[@shalekendar6759]

You need to add those thugs from the beginning of your review to the "Kate Kane Endangers The World" chart filled with the people she just couldn't be bothered to apprehend. Also, you should sell T-Shirts that say "Why? Because the plot says so."

[@m626m]

I love how Alice can magically appear at any place whenever she is not needed! The woman must have made her Uber driver a rich person this episode. Please speak a little louder Ryan! The dumb crowd can't hear you! Use the Bat megaphone next time.

[@1chevyhhr]

Nothing is explained if u asked the writers they would probably say it’s because the show is to short to explain the plot lol 😂

[@lubossoltes321]

So to sum it up for the rest of the season: 1. Javicia Leslie is an improvement over Ruby Rose in the acting department 2. The rest of the show is either the same or worse Also since all the major players are women, and this is a feminist/ABC piece, nothing of importance can happen to them because of that. So you'll have to watch a stalemate till the end with only the occasional male villain of the week being brought down (Maus, Hush).

[@robbiepolo7634]

Jabewbu or whatever her name is can't act

[@politicallycorrectredskin796]

The funniest part is that the "protected" groups under communism used to have strong parts, even in SJW writing. Back in the 90s and 00s the entire point of having gay people etc in TV shows was so that evil hillbillies could randomly appear in downtown LA to kill them. But nonsensical as that was, at least you could sympathize with the victims of this almost entirely fictional violence. Now that they are obviously untouchable super humans the audience just changes the channel.

[@budgiecat9039]

Yeah Beth has some serious plot armor

[@Amermito]

how does someone who lives in a van look so clean and put together with new looking clothes all the time?

[@thomasraines1396]

TV logic it’s like how the “ugly” person needs a makeover or restyle themselves only slightly to look amazing.

[@legoverse1412]

How the hell did Ryan figure out that Alice is Beth when the only thing Sophie said was “any sympathy Jacob Kane has for Alice is gone”

[@thoriasunlimited4053]

She did because the plot said so.

[@legoverse1412]

@@thoriasunlimited4053 I mean, they could have made that a dramatic reveal, shattering Ryan’s perception of Kate, and driving a wedge between Ryan and the Bat crew, but that would almost be interesting.

[@shayla106]

Thank you for all she knew, Jacob could have saved Alice as a child and felt sympathy for her, or they could have been former lovers,etc. I hate when writers do this, give characters information they shouldn’t have.

[@timberry4709]

15:50 - - "...how does a writer, with any kind of self-respect or pride in what they do as a professional..." I think you answered your own question.

[@tonycleek4981]

I couldn’t stop laughing every time they tried to remind us that bat woman doesn’t kill.

[@lordravenblade]

Security guards are licensed through the state, which involves background checks and fingerprints and everything. Running unlicensed guards is a great way to have the state shut down your company. Felony convictions generally red flag the process.

[@daverobson3084]

Kate just met Ryan for a few minutes, yet she knows that Ryan is the type of person that Gotham needs????

[@spitfireohone]

"Where did the cops go?" Same place Robin, Jason Todd, Nightwing, Batgirl, Spoiler, Catwoman, Huntress and anyone else who would be far more qualified to take up the mantle of Batman than some random shlub who knows how to fight went. Hell I'd even take Commissioner Gordon in a Batmech over Ryan

[@zahir1014]

Funny enough there’s actually a comic book where Commissioner Gordon becomes batman kind of

[@simonhurt9666]

@@zahir1014 Speaking of which, where are all of these characters?

[@zahir1014]

@@simonhurt9666 Damn good question also what would be the in the universe reason for why the bat family aren’t around

[@simonhurt9666]

@@zahir1014 Simple. They’re not gay.

[@LordHollow]

Learning any martial art takes discipline... That level of discipline would probably not have you living in a van at some point in your life.

[@angelmiller3331]

But it has a plant!

[@LordHollow]

@@angelmiller3331 lol. Touche!

[@anthonyguidas2012]

I don’t think the cops exist in this town anymore, especially since it was Sophie who arrested Ryan. The cops didn’t arrest her the Crows did. When I think about all the shows I enjoyed that got canceled and this nonsense is still on the air. Unbelievable !!!

[@budgiecat9039]

Batman, the cops, the normal doctors and any politicians left Gotham a while ago lol

[@simonhurt9666]

@@budgiecat9039 Commissioner Gordon: “I can confirm.”

[@Leelamon]

Just think about how many people are involved in the creation of this show and then realize, that not one of them, nobody, turned around to ask the writers if they are insane. Unbelievable.

[@trainerredcharizard7982]

Because DIVERSITY FORCES the audience to have to watch this show..even when this show ends it will be a "win" to the world

[@tuchesuavae]

I don't watch batwoman each week. But I do watch your reviews (which is actually enjoyable and entertaining) each week. Suffering so I don't have to. This mans a saint.

[@taragnor]

The sad part is: It's actually dumber than you make it sound. A couple points: 1. The venom from the bats was actually obtained by them biting Mouse's corpse (who was killed by poison). Somehow the poison was concentrated enough to be able to be put in hundreds of bats who could then somehow also spread that diluted poison via bite. Of course, if they're supposed to be vampire bats, they'd be sucking blood, not injecting venom like a snake. So the whole poison thing makes even less sense, because the amount of toxin that could get delivered via a bite that tiny wouldn't be significant. Also, the writers seem to think that a poison antidote lingers in the blood forever and grants some kind of permanent immunity in the way a vaccine does, which is why Mary's blood is supposed to be important. The writers are so incompetent they don't understand the difference between a poison and a disease. 2. There's no reason for them to deliver Mouse's body to Mary's clinic. It's an underground clinic run by a non-doctor. Why would anyone deliver corpses there? If someone found a dead body, they'd be calling the police, not delivering the corpse to the clinic. And there's no chance they mistook Mouse for alive because he died last season and has been left unrefrigerated in a subway tunnel so his body is probably in all kinds of stages of decomposition by now.

[@popmonika]

Also bats in general eat insects not rats.... About 1% eat mice but even then they only go by sound not just blood sucking anything in sight. I only know because I did a quick youtube search 😁😁

[@GingerZombie29]

Logic, common sense, research, continuity and consistancy. All CW's kryptonite.

[@Hanmacx]

2.) Organ harvesting?

[@andrewcurlutu6422]

@@Hanmacx That's the Chi Com's thing with their prisoners, off hand.

[@Optimaloptimus]

My head when I see this show up, "OH GOD NO! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"

[@palladiamorsdeus]

Oh no, you don't understand, man. The writers really do think Kate is the most amazing thing ever! They are that delusional. Which might be worse.

[@KaalRuvaak]

You're batwoman reviews are a highlight of my week. Good stuff.

[@IronDragon-2143]

I'll bet if this show gets a third season the next Batwahman will be black, obese, disabled, transgender and a lesbian. Because the first two actresses weren't woke enough.

[@lostsoul4784]

I think if this “Show” gets a season 3 a whole lot of TV, Phones and PCs will literally kill themself

[@IronDragon-2143]

@@lostsoul4784 It's like this show is a really bad joke that everyone except the CW is in on. And there's actually something almost impressive about the lack of self awareness.

[@nastynupe]

Nope...Mexican.....

[@IronDragon-2143]

@King Slayer LOL, now that is wishful thinking on our part. It's because we hate it it's gonna get a 3rd season.

[@nastynupe]

@King Slayer It's still not as bad as Legends of Tomorrow.....yet...but it is pretty awful. The writing is just deplorable.

[@statesmanuel]

Thorias, that's IT, you've hit on the explanation! The writers are trying to see how much BS they can get away with. THAT'S why every episode is WORSE than the PREVIOUS episode. The writers DO learn...and what they learn is what is AWFUL, so that they can make it even MORE awful in the NEXT episode. It's the only explanation that fits all the facts. The only remaining mystery is: the motive for making it intentionally awful.

[@stevendisque1040]

This channel is quickly becoming one of my favorite on youtube!! I appreciate all the agonizing moment you put yourself through for our entertainment!! You rock sir.

[@GingerZombie29]

Did they seriously drop the kryptonite poisoning from the first episode? They made such a big deal out of it.

[@gameraider100]

It's Batwoman. Setting up potential plots and then failing or DUMPING them an episode later is the only consistent element in this show, next to the obnoxious writing.

[@nvfury13]

It will most likely come up sporadically, then either end in her “almost dying” or getting superpowers, because the writers watched an episode of Smallville.

[@GingerZombie29]

@@gameraider100 I know, but still.

[@DabionFreedom]

oh my goodnes Thorias, I'm so sorry to know that you had to go through that. I really feel your pain. I'm so glad that I have never started watching this series & its staying that way for me. but thank you for keep reviewing the episodes, thats if you can. although I do find your episode reviews for this series, entertaining & amusing. I am also quite concerned for you mentally. but as long as you're still ok reviewing them, thats ok. stay safe.

[@andrewdiaz3529]

To be very, very generous, a homeless person usually lacks the funds to start a small business like a martial arts studio, and her record could keep her from being hired by existing ones. She could try offering private lessons, but again, her record makes it unlikely that people would just let her into their homes or go to isolated non-public areas with her alone.

[@shayla106]

Nope, many places hire former convicts. Her skill sets would actually make her a good body guard or security officer.

[@timberry4709]

Alice keeps "planning something big" that never happens... So she's a female Megamind?

[@MM-xn6tn]

Just devoid of any sympathy or likeability.

[@wolflordbradley7353]

Technically he "killed" his nemesis. Took over the city. Created another nemesis and defeated him. So no she's not even at Megaminds level. And he was a better villain.

[@elimiller2188]

DO NOT COMPAR OUR SAVER TO HER 😃

[@Coramelimane]

I'm hoping one of the bite victims mutates into Man-Bat

[@ceec5741]

Love your commentary... the "trained bats" had me laughing for minutes. Thank you!

[@jayrocket779]

You were PREACHING in the last two and a half minutes. As an aspiring writer, it's an insult to see professionals that don't care about what they're putting out, and THAT'S why it's bad. I've been subscribed since you reviewed Supergirl, and ever since, I've been watching these to take notes on what NOT to do when writing stories. Thank you, Thorias.

[@thoriasunlimited4053]

;)

[@ricardoreynoso8932]

As a person who does not watch Batwoman I am so happy for this second these reviews are great XD! (sorry for our brave soldier who sacrifices himself for our entertainment)

[@AngelaMerici12]

Yeah. They endure it so we can enjoy it ☺️🙏!

[@thomascraiker6449]

Alice is kind of an easy fix on the killer part. Granted the writers would never think of it. Instead of locked in a box, make her an underground kids death match champion for the elite. Damn that’s actually an interesting backstory.

[@gilbert291]

Just a thought: the people at the top of CW are supposedly hard-headed business men and must always have an eye on the bottom line of the accounts sheet. Batwahman is a crock of >>>>. So why is it still in production? Dries and Berlanti must have something on them; something they can blackmail them with: "give us a second series or we destroy you". I honestly cannot think of a better reason why CW is still commissioning this show and still employing Dries and Berlanti.

[@Canaris3]

> So why is it still in production? Because if they cancelled it they would face shitload of false rape charges, sexual assault allegations, twitter mobs screaming about big bad white CEO;s etc. They are typical modern corporate higher up, they are held hostage by sjw's in HR and have to walk the line.

[@icthulu]

It's all uphill from here! Or is it downhill? This is immensely amusing and I thank you for the suffering that you must endure to bring joy to our lives. This needs to be the main subject in a college course on failures in writing.

[@masterace1677]

The CW writers keep messing with Luke's character. Making Luke simping for Kate

[@ThePrice265]

That's what I'm saying. He got to be a beta male in this show.

[@ThePrice265]

Cyborg get more respect on Doom Parol

[@kazekamiha]

Ryan: I'm staring in my own show! Kate: Suuuuure... Let's go with that.

[@niksterkai4303]

What I'm wondering about is what the other villains of Gotham are doing? Imagine if Bane or Poison Ivy decided to make a visit.

[@thoriasunlimited4053]

Given what this show did to Hush, I'd prefer not to imagine such a thing.

[@Karthig1987]

Thank you for all that you do. I intend to binge the second season and suffer myself as well.

[@EvanBerry.]

I'm surprised that you're able to come up with things to say about this show after so many episodes. Truly you are a dedicated, resourceful, and intelligent individual. Maybe also a glutton for punishment, but I can't blame you for that. Excellent review!

[@thoriasunlimited4053]

Coming up with new things to say isn't really the problem when a show sucks on this many levels.

[@EvanBerry.]

@@thoriasunlimited4053 Very true. I guess if we've ever wondered how many levels of suck there, this is the show that will reveal it. By the way, making victimhood someone's defining character trait is demeaning to the race or group the writers are purporting to preach about. That's what I find the most insulting about this.

[@baronsamedi5741]

Kate Kane is officially Thorias's Arch Nemesis

[@DauthEldrvaria]

Alice is so OP this season. I love her and her character is so fun. Poisonous bats?! Awesome!

[@carlford5287]

LOL GREAT stuff Thorias! Thanks for posting!!

[@damianstarks3338]

I live for your batwoman reviews.

[@stephenrice2063]

There's actually a very simple reason why Kate didn't leave a corpse: she virtue signaled so hard that she was raptured out and thus left no body. See how easy that is?

[@balrighty3523]

18:39 Maybe Alice got all the resources for her trained Not!Corona Bat Disease force from Pickle Rick...

[@Nabinut]

There's absolute no reason why most of the characters, save for Luke, still remain in the series. Everyone else had a direct or indirect connection to Kate Kane. With her "gone", Alice has no real adversary, Jacob can still go after the new Batwoman, but the motivation/plot twist isn't there, and Mary, other than being Luke's bedroom buddy, is just chewing scenery. Just more than Ruby Rose should have been replaced.

[@lokai7914]

Your sacrifice is appreciated, as always

[@charleyboytheredeemed3347]

Maybe gotham city council defunded GCPD to a point they aren't able do anything.

[@lostsoul4784]

Considering what these writers have done It’s possible

[@haku8135]

Bats, eat fruit, bugs, and blood. Very few bats are actually carnivores in the "eating non-insects" sense. NO carnivorous bat species exist in America. NO BATS EAT CORPSES!

[@Godzillaborg21]

Gotham City: No Cops, No Security. Honestly I think it's a loyalty thing. Gordon got everyone to follow Bruce Wayne out.

[@escoriachannel8406]

isnt luke who says, "its OK to kill, bruce had done it already, so it´s fine", damn that's hurts

[@thoriasunlimited4053]

Yup. Luke absolved Kate of being a killer because Bruce killed the Joker and now "Batwoman doesn't kill" because it would dishonor Kat'e legacy. I hate this show.

[@enigma9227]

Should have taken the ancient van over the Batmobile, it’s faster 🤣

[@warpedreflection3650]

She had the bats feed on Mouse's corpse to get the poison from his body. How the hell did that bats not die from ingesting the poison.

[@Mysikrysa]

Bats eat insects, they are not scavengers feeding on corpses of large animals, so the premise itself is retarded.

[@TheREALSimagination]

Help me out here: is bats eating rats off a dead guy's corpse better or worse than magical recusitation by cats?

[@HyperMoeMan]

The reason they gave her a criminal record was solely to permanently give her a victim card.

[@microdroid]

I had to pause around 19:00 min mark 🤣 That shit was too funny, thanks for taking one for the team and watching this drivel mate. Makes for a hilarious and maddening breakdown 👌🏾

[@tyrantgregcagkaiju71]

4:47 21 episodes, actually. Because one of the episodes from the last season was just one of the five-part miniseries episodes.

[@michaelguenot6177]

I have a theory: the show is a subtle critique of the “abolish the police” movement by showing the confusion and corruption that happens when private security takes over for the cops as it inevitably would. Or, you know, they’re just frickin horrible writers.

[@SSingh-nr8qz]

They are horrible writers. That kind of storytelling is very creative and when done properly, excellent subversion of expectations. Similar to a writers making you think a person is a villain but later you find they are a hero when critical bit of information changes the context of all their past actions. When done right its awesome, but these writers are so obsessed with left wing politics, that trying to critique DEFUND THE POLICE would get the Twitter mob on them. These writers write for Twitter blue check marks, not comic fans.

[@michaelguenot6177]

@@SSingh-nr8qz oh I know. It’s a long shot.

[@couldnotbereachedforfurthe2647]

I can't get past the carnivorous bats in Gotham.

[@e2daron]

whoops I misread this as coronavirus bats but they kinda are in a way

[@THEPATTON12]

Just finished the review, best one yet thanks for the content

[@vincentwalker3280]

Alice acquired the poison by having the bats bite Mouse's corpse.

[@TheAtheistRanger]

As someone who works in Security,it isn't always the case that people with criminal records don't get hired...however,it is most of the time. Especially,in context of show, you have a past drug charge like Ryan.

[@TheBlakkSamurai]

Ruby Rose was brutal but the dialogue didnt help her. The scripts are written by dartboard apparently. This show is a fustercluck even with a new actress. Smdh.

[@alexmalik6204]

11:00 is this the birth of CW’s Man-Bat?

[@patrickkanas3874]

Remember in season 1 of Arrow when Oliver was at death's door during an entire episode after getting shot. The days of slight realism

[@thoriasunlimited4053]

2x01 Ryan: *gets shot* 2x02 Ryan: Hmm, maybe I should take some painkillers, I guess.

[@vetrais7965]

Also, there was a little bit of a throwaway line that makes Sophie knowing Julia knew Kate was Batwoman slightly less rediculous. Sophie says something about how if Kate trusted her with a dying wish safe crap, that she'd trust her to know why she could die. Not saying that fully explains it, but it's honestly more explanation than this show typically does...so there's that.

[@immortalsirens4644]

Watched ur reviews on rerun playlist,ur profanity is on point always a nice jumpscare for me lols

[@nobody2996]

This show just refuses to give their main characters actual agency or responsibility in their actions. They have no influence over how their lives turned out, it always a string of bad luck, tragedies, and third parties fucking them over. Ryan's criminal past is solely her just being in the wrong place at the wrong time enough times to rape the law of averages.

[@rollagain3001]

Maybe between seasons Gotham fell victim to "defund the police," so the Crows are the only thing left? That seems like a horrifying alternative.

[@redforest9269]

In the DC universe, their police forces AREN'T full of former bullies and people who used to be bullies who want the power with a few good cops who end up being pressured into resigning after they oppose the corruption of the remaining majority of cops. Basically, since in their universe the cops are good that movement wouldn't get off the ground and such a silly scenario (which assumes the defund the police people have no plan) wouldn't happen.