Can HGV lorries go green faster?

Can HGV lorries go green faster? | BBC News

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@dvdsbl Ай бұрын

Not a single word on range and recharging times.

@hexusmexus6971 Ай бұрын

Scam as everyone should know

@zapfanzapfan Ай бұрын

If you are really interested you can read the Scania website and order one. 600 kWh with 320 km range at 64 tons (140 000 pounds) loaded weight.

@GeekSpeedZ Ай бұрын

45min charging time so that it fits mandatory rest periods.

@electricflightuk 25 күн бұрын

So different in a truck to predict range when it could be running between 20 tonne and 44 tonne however calculations are pretty accurate if you ask a manufacturer

@t1n4444 25 күн бұрын

@@zapfanzapfan 😂😂😂😂 Really interested? You have a way with words. There again if we are to be regaled with a test report it might be useful to give a little more detail on the rate of charge the batteries can accept etc, etc.

@bzdtemp Ай бұрын

I expected more from BBC when covering a topic, like say some data on range, charge time, projections on running costs...

@nettcologne9186 Ай бұрын

By the way, Scania has been part of the Volkswagen Group since January 2015 and part of the VW commercial vehicle subsidiary Traton since its founding. And in 2023 Mercedes presented the E-Actros 600 battery truck, which weighs up to 44 tons. It can travel more than 500 kilometers in one go without recharging.

@MegaDeano1963 Ай бұрын

Just what we need more expensive transport costs , to go with our more expensive renewable electricity costs . Wonder if there is any more money we can squeeze out the pensioners to pay for this .

@matthewbaynham6286 Ай бұрын

Actually renewable energy is cheaper than fossil fuel energy despite fossil fuel energy getting much bigger government subsidizes.

@hexusmexus6971 Ай бұрын

Litually what I said it's all a scam I'm up for saving the environment but this is just as usual all lies they take power from the grid which is powered by fossil fuel etc the batteries poisoned dangerous to environment production of vehicles even worse even the solar panels last 15 years to produce electric for the grid

@Mars-ev7qg Ай бұрын

In Germany they put overheard wires over a short section of the autobahn to power electric trucks and buses. This experiment used railway electrification experiment modified for highway use. The main difference is that road vehicles don't have conducive wheels like trains and trolleys do so two wires are needed to complete the circuit. The plan is that in the future trucks and intercity buses will have relatively small batteries to travel between loading and unloading points and the highway. The vehicles will then run on overhead wires for the vast majority of their trips while they are on the highway. This seems by far the most realistic approach. The test system in Germany was largely successful and the German government is working on perfecting the technology and will hopefully set up a new improved test section soon. The biggest problem is that electric trucks are incredibly rare, if you count even hybrid trucks. Hybrid buses are quite common and could be converted to pure electric power with overhead electrification much more easily than most existing trucks. Clearly, something has to be done, however. I don't know if you noticed or not, but the Middle East is about to be engulfed in all out war that will almost certainly include the use of nuclear weapons. One third of the world's oil supply will be taken off the market in less than a day once the warlords in the Middle East start dropping nukes on each other. Pakistan isn't technically in the Middle East but they are close enough that they will be dragged into the war too. If you thought that the war in Ukraine drove up oil prices wait until you see how high oil prices go when most of opec gets blown away. This war could start today but will probably take a few months to two years to get fully underway. Anything we can do to get ready in the limited time we have left is critical. Time is running out and we can't see the countdown clock.

@workman122 Ай бұрын

Yes... if you want to pay more for everything being transported by them. I don't.

@j7ndominica051 Ай бұрын

The Tesla truck was supposed to be the revolutionary thing, but we don't hear about that anymore. How far can this truck go on one charge with a typical trailer? They seem to think that there is an infinite supply of electricity. But the price is rising as demand grows.

@arthur1670 Ай бұрын

Maybe compared to a USA truck lol

@SteveDennison-u7h Ай бұрын

The issue as stated in the report is cost the vehicle, the old model of keeping a truck for 3 to 5 years wouldn't work due to lease or purchase price, infrastructure may be there for local work but not for distance. The 44 tonne running weight of the truck isn't increase and the weight of the batteries would reduce payload so prices would need to increase and customers already believe costs are too high so companies running ICE vehicles would keep them to retain a competitive edge. Many things need to chane for EV vehicles to be the norm..

@zapfanzapfan Ай бұрын

In at least some countries EV trucks are allowed to weigh a bit more than ICE versions to cancel the weight penalty of batteries.

@Michelle_Schu-blacka Ай бұрын

Correct me if I'm wrong but; *1.* Limited range. *2.* Vehicles unusable for hours while batteries charge. *3.* £Tens of thousands to replace batteries at the end of their lifespan. *4.* Paying drivers to sit around doing nothing while their vehicles charges (I'm not sitting around in my own time because the vehicle won't move). *5.* Since I'm 'working', that time charging is eating into the hours I'm allowed to work. *6.* What am I transporting if half the M.A.M. of the vehicle is batteries? *7.* If they've had to reinforce the floor just to build these things, what roads will be suitable for these 'greener' lorries? Hybrids are the only workable solution for HGV's. Electric motors with a small combustion engine for charging, working in conjunction with solar panels, regenerative braking and perhaps turbines built into the air flow while the vehicle is moving and a retractable turbine to use when parked, seems like it would give the kind of unlimited power that Palpatine wanted.

@higgs5630 Ай бұрын

The range should not be a problem. European countries have a mandatory rest period of 45 minutes for every 4 hours 30 minutes of driving. Scania claims that the battery can be charged from 0 to 80 percent in 35 minutes so it should be able to continue to the next rest period to be charged up again.

@tabularasa7775 Ай бұрын

It will coincide with their required rest times

@sailorstu Ай бұрын

I drive trucks in Northern Canada, and would love to see the transition to electric. However I am thinking. If they need to reinforce the factory floors because of the extra weight of the battery, can the existing highway structure handle the extra weight? Unless they reduce the payload significantly, which would mean they need more drivers.

@zapfanzapfan Ай бұрын

It's not that heavy, same axle loads apply as for everyone else. I think Germany allows EV-trucks to weight 1 ton more. There is an EU proposal to allow 2 ton extra for EV trucks. Trucks in Europe are allowed to weigh about 40 tons, in Sweden we are now at 76 tons I believe and some timber trucks are 90 ton. Finland are testing 104 ton I think it was. Same axle load though, just a lot of axles 🙂 But we are still way behind Australia...

@xnz6525 Ай бұрын

In China, mining truck drivers do not need to spend a lot of money on charging, because their trucks are empty when they go up to the mountain, and when they go down from the mountain, trucks are fully loaded with goods while generate a lot of electricity by themselves.

@codswallop164 Ай бұрын

@xnz6525 I bet they still forget the free fortune cookies.

@xnz6525 Ай бұрын

@@codswallop164 I guess you worry about over heat of the break, phisical break and the charging electronic break working together make this more reliable. I am suprise that common thing in China is unblievable in foreigner.

@ChrisTian-lf2oh Ай бұрын

Nice solution as long as the mine is ABOVE the dump site. The majority of the mines in the world are BELOW the ground. Just saying.

@xnz6525 Ай бұрын

@@ChrisTian-lf2oh situation may be diferent ,any way,energy recycle is better than waste in break heating espectially in heavy truck delivery.

@ChrisTian-lf2oh Ай бұрын

@@xnz6525 Agree.

@SparkyStew98 Ай бұрын

the answer is no they arn't cost effective enough but through government "encouragement" manufacturers will tell you its the best thing since sliced bread and it would be if there wasnt battery degridation range volatility in cold weather and downtime to recharge

@bbcisaids6727 Ай бұрын

Lithium battery reacts with salt water,extreme cold winters?

@shankarbalakrishnan2360 Ай бұрын

Finally cool bgm for green vehicles not some scratchy sounds❤❤🎉🎉

@niftynige Ай бұрын

Given the existing infrastructure obviously Hybrid is the best bridging technology.

@bwise609 Ай бұрын

Trains have been diesel electric hybrid for a long time cause it is super effective why haven't we adopted it to power other vehicles

@pinkelephants1421 Ай бұрын

Pure BEV is far more efficient than any hybrid. Slowly, trains will become fully electric as well. Scania isn't the only company producing BEV heavy duty lorries. When it comes to fleet operators, spreadsheets and the numbers recorded on them, become the deciding factor. Pure BEV is far cheaper to fuel and maintain. Despite much higher upfront costs, these are generally recouped within 2½-5yrs. Lower moving parts means less breakages, less wear and tear, lower TCO, higher utilisation (time on the road), higher profitability.

@CreRay Ай бұрын

The honest answer is that there was no incentive. Even today diesel fuel is still subsidised. On all aircraft fuels there is 0 tax. A fair amount of all transports can be electrified today, but the trucks are more expensive to buy, charging infrastructure must be put in place, and worst of all, charging has to become a part of the vehicle's planning. All hurdles that can be overcome, and will be given a financial incentive.

@LarryMauritania Ай бұрын

I wonder how the warming and emissions from bombs and missiles used in the Ukraine war and War on Gaza compares to decades of truck emissions?

@London755 Ай бұрын

@@LarryMauritania I believe the largest climate impact from the war in Ukraine is actually the flight diversions. Every day, thousands of flights must avoid the Ukraine/Russian airspace, and this adds a significant amount to the fuel burn.

@LarryMauritania Ай бұрын

@@London755 very good point

@XMQ6127BGN5 Ай бұрын

I think that the electric truck is kind of thing that can change the market because the noise reduce can be very observed. For example, in China, lots of trucks are using diesel engines with 8 gear change transmission case so that the noise from the engine and the transmission cases are really loud. I really recommend that the Scania electric truck use CATL batteries and the CRRC Times Electric motors.

@AM._.Traveler Ай бұрын

what if the battery low, how they supposed to charge, when gasoline you just bring your little tank, they should invest something that we can unplug the battery from the vehicle

@lordatkinson2046 Ай бұрын

Well I've got a bridge to sell you instead of using electric battery vehicles we use hydrogen as a fuel source

@bbcisaids6727 Ай бұрын

Will milatery vehicles and jets go green too ?

@michaelkinsella1559 Ай бұрын

Yes.

@halcon2134 Ай бұрын

Sometimes I drive a 40 ton one, on slopes it is not unusual to see the instantaneous consumption of 160 liters of diesel per 100 km, it is a lot of energy.

@zapfanzapfan Ай бұрын

That would equate to about 8 kWh/km for an EV-truck. But that is full power uphill, average consumption for EV-trucks is 1,5 - 2 kWh/km. Is your average 30-40 liters per 100 km?

@ginskimpivot753 Ай бұрын

The reason this will not rapidly take off is because an industry-wide changeover to electric HGVs will require a lot of roads, level crossings, and bridges to be surveyed to see if they can take the extra weights and point loads of already high mass vehicles. Until electricity is genuinely cheap and the batteries less volatile this is borderline insanity, as we all know who will foot the bill for more windfarms, more infrastructure upgrades, and more drain pollution from tire wear.

@-DC- Ай бұрын

We tried a Renault 18 Ton Rigid EV, Was absolutely useless could go maybe 60 miles from the yard before having to return and then spent hours on charge, Was returned as Unworkable.

@jaker3151 Ай бұрын

In America battery electric semi-trucks (price, range etc) and the infrastructure to support them aren't quite there yet and hydrogen definitely is not. Hence many fleets have been investing in Compressed Natural Gas (CNG) semi-trucks which are much cleaner than diesel, or if running on Renewal Natural Gas (RNG) they can even be carbon-negative. CNG/RNG fuelled vehicles is something these news pieces always seem to forget about mentioning. CNG/RNG fuelled vehicles have been around for decades, there are 700+ refuelling stations around the US and the technology has improved. For example, pretty much all the major semi-truck manufacturers in the US have said they will be using the new Cummins X15N (2024) natural gas engine in some of their semi-trucks. Hence currently the competition to battery electric semi-trucks is not coming from diesel or hydrogen but it's actually coming from CNG/RNG fuelled semi-trucks.

@MrKronz Ай бұрын

What’s the range in an EV truck?

@zapfanzapfan Ай бұрын

At least in Europe drivers have to take a mandatory 45 min break after 4 hours of driving, perfect for charging, and 4 hours (300 km or so) is no problem.

@keithhooper6123 Ай бұрын

Except,that stop might not be near a charging facility.

@MrKronz Ай бұрын

@@zapfanzapfanis that with a trailer at full load? What’s your source also.

@zapfanzapfan Ай бұрын

@@MrKronz YT hates links. You can read about Mercedes Actros 600 for example, that has a 600 kWh battery. They claim 500 km range with load but trucks down in Europe weigh less than up in Sweden and Finland. Had to check Scania. They also have a 600 kWh option claiming 320 km range with 64 tons (140 000 pounds if you are imperial).

@martinhumble Ай бұрын

Scania! 🇸🇪 Heja

@richardkent2014 Ай бұрын

The problem isn't changing it's that you expect lorry drivers to pay for it like everyone else. instead of expecting people to pay for this kind of stuff mainly through taxation why don't company's and corporations see this as investment for themselves.

@KJI.212 Ай бұрын

Diesel is our future.

@lemmy6782 Ай бұрын

Cant imagine when everthing plugs into the uk grid at night . Had a power cut few weeks ago because of a bit of wind . I wasnt happy i was halfway thru shaving me napper with shears . Had to go to thè pub like that .

@pinkelephants1421 Ай бұрын

Not every EV needs charging every day. Not even goods delivery vehicles are on the road 100% of the time. There's a major misconception that all EVs will plug in at once. Even the National Grid sees the potential in them as a key component of managing the fully renewably powered grid of the future as a means of reducing the amount of grid scale battery storage, as a means of peak demand supply amongst other services.

@lemmy6782 Ай бұрын

@pinkelephants1421 imagine the weight tho in battery's for hgvs. I wonder what the range would be especially if going over to Europe.

@geofo60 Ай бұрын

@lemmy6782, I 'm guessing that you don't possess a wet razor & maybe a pair of scissors ? They're well worth the investment ✌.

@lemmy6782 Ай бұрын

@@geofo60 🤣 I do now lesson learned .

@julianshepherd2038 Ай бұрын

Trolley bus lorries

@TheHelper-l9m Ай бұрын

OT!! Benny Hill considered funnier than Monty Python by two TV stations --WOR and WLVI!

@ytt8370 Ай бұрын

somebody should invent electric trains

@arthur1670 Ай бұрын

0:14 because lithium ion suck

@notjustforhackers4252 Ай бұрын

If you streamline it I imagine you could repaint them green in a couple of days.

@auro1986 Ай бұрын

bbc, tell scientists to increase torque and horse power of ev instead of making customers recharge and replace batteries faster

@tonys1636 Ай бұрын

All EV's should have an artificial engine sound so we pedestrians can hear them coming and replace that annoying reversing bleeping that wakes me up on waste collection days with a recorded announcement at a normal speech volume.

@rchatte100 Ай бұрын

EV cars dont work in the real world, so trucks doing huge mileages wont either!

@pinkelephants1421 Ай бұрын

EVs do work in the real world. Why do you imagine MULTIPLE multinational companies and their investors are so successful with them. Do you think that Amazon uses BEVs in the 10's of 1,000's for the fun of it? Do you honestly imagine PepsiCo, Fritolay, Walmart amoung many others are working towards a fully electric fleet just for the fun of it? Why would China, the biggest EV market in the world, be a driving force in the world's transition to electric transportation and battery development and manufacturing if it wasn't a fundamentally sound technological and economic strategy. China, btw, started their moves into EVs over a decade ago, by starting with the securing of the raw materials supply chains. Their towns and cities were choking on air pollution. Today, air quality in China is substantially better. Entire cities have swapped public transport (buses, taxis, etc) to fully electric. Great example to the world.

@julianshepherd2038 Ай бұрын

They do work.

@pinkelephants1421 Ай бұрын

@julianshepherd2038 Yep. In the tens of millions. So much so, that the use of fossil fuels has reduced by 1% globally. Doesn't sound like much when taken as a percentage, but if it's translated into numbers of barrels of oil consumed, then places a different complexion on that statistic.

@acatcalledmax1278 Ай бұрын

just look at the progress of ev cars from the last 10 years, how we gone from 150 km for a full battery that takes one day to charge to teslas and others rn that push over 600 km and charge just in a couple of hours, wait some more years and you'll see how effective itll be to just charge ur car once a month for like 2 hrs and drive it for most likely over 1000 km

@curiositycloset2359 Ай бұрын

@@pinkelephants1421O yes, so where do they get the electricity to charge these cars then?

@Lawrence7of9 Ай бұрын

Tesla is the conscience for all these companies, writings on the wall - still profit driven.

@ginod2279 Ай бұрын

Wonder if petrochemical company's are slowing the uptake along with peoples stupidity 🤔

@keithhooper6123 Ай бұрын

Four tonnes of batteries😂😂

@zapfanzapfan Ай бұрын

Do you think a 750 hp diesel engine with clutch and gear box is light weight?

@sirbeardoftheshire1993 Ай бұрын

Ain't gonna happen if you wanna keep the world moving.

@davidjacobs828 Ай бұрын

Depends how much green paint you got .

@galaxyceiling4137 Ай бұрын

The UK should rejoin Europe

@JohnofthefamilySmith Ай бұрын

The EU is a private group of criminals and have nothing to do with Europe.

@notjustforhackers4252 Ай бұрын

You can't leave a continent.

@MrTopsecretagent Ай бұрын

eussr is *not* europe!

@JohnofthefamilySmith Ай бұрын

It is all a huge scam.

@Dungshoveleux Ай бұрын

Electric truck batteries are green madness. How much do they weigh? 4,000 kg. 3x the cost of a normal ICE truck. Diesel is the answer. Bio diesel. Sweden is cold in winter and the electric trucks will not be able to cope.

@happyjonn9242 Ай бұрын

Maybe all these super smart woke scientists can stop lecturing us for a day and invent the technology instead.

@daledevernon56 Ай бұрын

An article I read a while ago said that in order to convert all the commercial trucks in America to electrical would need an energy requirement of far more than what the entire grid of America could generate.

@London755 Ай бұрын

On a quick Google, I found a similar claim from the American trucking association. But they're a lobby group. They don't even cite a source. Converting *all* of the trucks on the road to EV rapidly would still be a gargantuan task, but nobody is even suggesting that. It'll be a decade before substantial numbers are.

@joeds3775 Ай бұрын

That's why bidens infra structure bill was so important.

@ReviewBoard-uy5nv Ай бұрын

That is why Elon Musk is building a new grid to store electricity. The US has all the capacity to produce so much energy that can even be sold to other countries, but has not built the infrastructure to store it (it’s not an electricity production issue due to water, wind, solar and geothermal resources we have in overabundance). The oil & gas lobby is just very strong preventing us building cheap energy storage

@ToCoSo Ай бұрын

Lets get solar on every roof in the UK and have charging stations fuelled by this energy, yes oil is powerful but it is heating the world up fast!

@BernardFitzsimons Ай бұрын

How do you know?

@notjustforhackers4252 Ай бұрын

"Lets get solar on every roof in the UK"...governments won't allow, in the long term, citizens to generate their own electricity, or control the hardware that does it. Why? TAX and control of the power supply. It's how the current system works.

@julianshepherd2038 Ай бұрын

@@notjustforhackers4252that is not true. Lots of people have them and sell the electricity they don't use to the power company.

@notjustforhackers4252 Ай бұрын

@@julianshepherd2038 Not yet. They have to normalise if before taking control of it.

@skyworks1621 Ай бұрын

People in my country are still after 2 years making fun of me for driving an EV. But they dont know in 5 years time taxes will go up and EVs will be cheaper, EURO 7 is coming. Future is electric and Norwegans know.

@adlin61 Ай бұрын

still key start lol! go push start

@CHMichael Ай бұрын

One way to promote ev (and hybrids) is to close pedestrian rich areas to air poluting vehicles . Hybrids can switch to battery for that time.

@ЮрійДемяненко-о2б Ай бұрын

Вражаюче

@Dungshoveleux Ай бұрын

HGV lorries will go extinct.

@totallytaxisofsalcombe4566 Ай бұрын

HGV means heavy goods vehicle so HGV lorry is very bad English

@drundub73 Ай бұрын

They had to reinforce their factory floor because the batteries are so heavy. Thats before you load any cargo onto one of them.what will they do to roads , bridges etc and with weight limits you will be carrying half what you can carry on a proper truck. And the range will be awful. Go woke go broke bye bye Scania.

@TeamDriveBy Ай бұрын

Utter stupidity, move to rail or make movements off peak. Stop this battery propaganda it is not about saving the planet.

@joshualinnell8160 Ай бұрын

No! Green simply the worst idea humans had give up with it

@joeds3775 Ай бұрын

Evolve.

@JoeyH-wq5pf Ай бұрын

Who cares

@selyemperzsa1 Ай бұрын

And where do you think the electricity is coming from? From the wall?

@zapfanzapfan Ай бұрын

In Sweden 98% fossil free (mostly hydro and nuclear).

@MrTopsecretagent Ай бұрын

@@zapfanzapfansince when hydroelectricity and nuclear power aren't clean energy?

@zapfanzapfan Ай бұрын

@@MrTopsecretagent They are clean. 2% of electricity here is fossil fueled, hence 98 % fossil free.

@MrTopsecretagent Ай бұрын

@@zapfanzapfan that's good to hear. some _grüner_ folks in eu even against nuclear and hydro!

@ginskimpivot753 Ай бұрын

You've had this up on the web page for more than 24 hours.... 'Our winter fuel payment goes into the holiday kitty' Presumably, you think this is worthy of that kind of exposure because its the most common use for the WFP, and that this gentleman is more befitting of mention than any pensioner who may die for the lack of that £300 for heating. What an absolute disgrace the BBC has become.

@codswallop164 Ай бұрын

Don't smoke green when driving lorries, the carbon capture from hot boxing the cab is minimal and it's dangerous on motorways if you get the munchies without a service station near.