The Ultimate Showdown Razer Viper Vs Razer Viper Ultimate Wireless Gaming Mouse Comparison

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[@Nightsnatcher]

+ for the cat

[@Beardedbob]

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[@idropdabass]

YES! Been waiting for this, thanks for the awesome vid!

[@Beardedbob]

Np, thanks for the support and I hope it helped you

[@tonyb.3482]

Fantastic reviews! Subbed

[@thehottestbeatz]

I was waiting for this video! Thanks Bob. Looking to buy the viper ultimate this week.

[@Beardedbob]

I hope it has helped answer your questions you might of had.

[@thehottestbeatz]

@Beardedbob I’d definitely want to see the viper ultimate vs g pro wireless. I’m still a little hesitant to go with the viper ultimate over my gpw but I think the shape is better and won’t have double clicking issues. I’m a bit concerned with quality control issues (defects in scroll wheel or mouse buttons) it’s only been a few months since it’s been released. We’ll see what happens

[@parsahosseini5093]

@@thehottestbeatz you buy viper?

[@aditrex]

just discovered ur channel what a in depth review just as i like it respect! subed

[@Beardedbob]

Welcome and glad you are enjoying the content 👍. I look forward to seeing you around

[@argg.x]

wtf... tho you had at least 1M subs! damn man your videos are spot on! lots of info! keep going mani think you! should add some really low music on the background think it would help a lot! :D

[@Beardedbob]

Thanks man, glad you liked the content.

[@lcentury5586]

I really love your detailed comparisons

[@Beardedbob]

Thanks glad you like them 👍

[@luts6636]

Very good video thank you 👍🏻

[@Beardedbob]

Thanks Luts /// glad you liked it 👍

[@lloydchristmas4547]

Excellent. Thanks a lot.

[@Beardedbob]

Np glad you liked it

[@XvREByrd3vX]

These results definitely surprised me. Can't wait for the gpw showdown! And yes I liked the structure of this vid more

[@Beardedbob]

Glad you liked the format. It's always good to see the data as well as just general thoughts.

[@MorrTex]

Great review, cant wait for the gpw vs viper video, cheers

[@Beardedbob]

Yeah im hyped also, it's going to be a hell of a.showdown. which one are y9u backing?

[@MorrTex]

@@Beardedbob I got both the gpw and a wired viper and tbh: viper is just so much better with Tiger arc feet vs hyperglided gpw. With a g640 and 1mm lod it's so nice, I hit shots I would never hit with a gpw. Wish I had a wireless one tho damn, so yeah viper for sure.

[@urandonumsta3298]

only you in the internet make this videos, i love then, thank you!

[@Beardedbob]

Thanks glad you enjoy the content 👍

[@prottayahmed6021]

What side buttons are they using? ttc? kailh? I noticed a red dot.

[@EmoEmu]

This was surprisingly scientific. Kudos for making this comparison.

[@Beardedbob]

Thanks The Emo Emu glad you liked it 👍

[@dantesalighieri]

Very nice job. Scientific approach. Thank you.

[@Beardedbob]

Thanks glad you liked it

[@ArturoSarabia-km7cb]

Hello, good video, I have a question, I have seen that they sell the special edition shell of the Viper Ultimate on Aliexpress, and I would like to know if they can be put on a Viper 8khz since you have had contact with both mice, thank you

[@Sol0player]

Finally! Someone who does latency tests. You earned a well deserved sub

[@Beardedbob]

Thanks for the sub, glad you like the content especially some latency tests.

[@jaybi7089]

@@Beardedbob how reliable are these tests? how much did you try it to validate the data? especially because you did not build a machine. i think pushing the mouse with the screwdriver results in different speeds you hit the mouse with, which could alternate the results.

[@Kyogen.]

@@jaybi7089 ok

[@ko3610]

That's a very nice review. Which do you recomend, "kone pure ultra" or "viper wired"?

[@Beardedbob]

Tough pick, it would come down to the shape and which one you prefer.

[@DeathsFedora]

Cool! Keep it up

[@Beardedbob]

👍

[@ji3g4j6jo3p]

Just got my wireless today and was wondering if anyone had noticed that the scroll wheel click is a little bit weird (one side is easier to actuate the click then the other) so I was hoping to find a teardown image/video for the wireless to see the scroll wheel mechanism. Glad to find that the click switch is on the side which confirms my guessing. Thanks for the video, it's very informative!

[@Beardedbob]

Glad it helped answer your question etc 👍

[@viralvideos6998]

Hi bob , the viper mini is out too. Would be really good if you could also review that too. Also please add the movement latency chart( not the force but the time one ) in your website too. Thanks !

[@Beardedbob]

I certainly will, I’m just waiting for mine to arrive

[@sedliska]

Thanks, that was a very interesting comparison. But I have a suggestion regarding the ratings. Categories like weight or how much force is needed to click the wheel are personal preference. There must be a point when it is too light for some. Also giving the point to the wired Viper because its cheaper doesnt make sense either because they both are representing two different technologies and one is considerably more expensive than the other by default. And also you could have given a point to the wireless one because it doesnt have a cable. With this approach the result would be completely different :)

[@Beardedbob]

No problem glad you liked it 👍

[@guilhermemalavolta6702]

amazing comparison

[@Beardedbob]

Thanks man hope it helped

[@DIFY]

What's the measuring tools you are using? Also what camera are you using for the slowmo shots to get the ms measurements?

[@Beardedbob]

👍

[@shitbringer]

Excellent technical review. Do you also think its worth upgrading from a viper to a viper ultimate? What do you think of the battery life?

[@Beardedbob]

I would if I liked the shape because I prefer wireless over wired.

[@dustin_echoes]

I know that the regular version can only store dpi settings onboard, but does the ultimate version have onboard macro storage?

[@Beardedbob]

Yes

[@Dankumemes]

Finally I found who does the latency comparison

[@hyserminecraft9499]

I noticed that you haven't done a proper latency test with the finalmouse ultralight 2 or the glorious model o 😭 of you did test them it would be so much easier to pick between them please test i need a comparison to choose one

[@Beardedbob]

I've not yet compared them directly like this but I can if people like? I'll do the model o-

[@hyserminecraft9499]

Yes please

[@eimuntsnuva9679]

hey i wanted to ask if when you compared the movement latency was the viper ultimate dongle next to the mouse so that it doesn't subject to any unfair interference

[@Beardedbob]

Hi, Yes its about 30cms from the mouse. I'm going to do a Video testing if the distance makes a difference and at what distance it becomes and Issue.

[@eimuntsnuva9679]

@@Beardedbob oh ok thanks.

[@adrenalinerush369]

Just realized the Davos Funko Pop does resemble Beardedbob. Thanks for the comparison!

[@Beardedbob]

Hehe sure does. Glad you liked it I hope it helped answer any questions

[@thekingsown10]

Are the sizes different as well? I saw the ultimate had a longer width than the wired viper?

[@Beardedbob]

They are the same size.

[@harunolcer6900]

Very succesfuly work 👍👍 which mouse do you use? which one should I choose ? G pro wireless or viper ultimate

[@Beardedbob]

Thanks, glad you liked it. I use the GPW daily but I’ve modded it to a stage 2. shop.beardedbob.com/collections/customised-gaming-mouse/products/let-me-pick-the-customisation-on-a-logitech-g-pro-wireless

[@Simone.Giannini]

Hi what the strument to calculate tracking? thansk for all your job, inspired me a lot

[@Simone.Giannini]

founded, in right video

[@thedillon]

Hey bob in your 3d printed video... what printer did you use?

[@Beardedbob]

I didn't print this but you can ask him on Twitter @modsmouse

[@asdf6121]

can you test out the Xm1 Endgame with your 1000 fps camera to test out if it is really 1ms technology.

[@Beardedbob]

I have 👍 it's Inn the charts in this and a few other reviews like the roocat pure kone ultra Ultralight 2 Review Finalmouse Cape Town Gaming Mouse kzbin.info/www/bejne/r3banH6tmd-Da8U

[@XBOSS2003]

Bob do you recommend the Air58 or this? I’m not worried about pricing or availability

[@UncleSam6996]

Meme God viper ultimate would certainly be better overall

[@thomasvandorpe8145]

Im late but find which shape you prefer

[@bashirax3734]

Air 58 in only 500hz...

[@originalstarwalker21]

Air58 is trash.

[@bashirax3734]

@@originalstarwalker21 iknr

[@atomic4135]

Will the movement latency of the viper ultimate improve in wired mode against the viper wired? Same question for the blood pk and bump test .

[@Beardedbob]

I'm not sure yet this is something I want to test and will be doing in a few weeks.

[@Verzik]

Hi I have a question about the mouse 1 and 2 buttons. I currently have the wired version and I’m wondering if the ultimate uses the same switch to activate mouse 1-2 buttons. I really like the viper and want to upgrade my wireless mouse from G pro to ultimate but I don’t want to buy if it’s not the same as regular viper

[@Beardedbob]

I've not opened it yet but I will shortly do keep tuned for the ultimate teardown.

[@Slidee]

Hey Bob am new around here. Was just curious to see if you could answer some quesitons to the best of your ability for me ? 1. What are the best mouse feet for control ? 2. Im thinking of getting a new mouse, need something slighty smaller than the gpw by about 1.5 mm/0.5 mm range the arch where it sits in my palm is a tad high. Im thinking of getting the ultralight cape town. What do you think?? My grip style is palm grip. Thanks for your time bob!

[@Slidee]

Ahh, i should have stated that every mouse that should suit "palm grip" i cant use which is odd lol.

[@Beardedbob]

1. Mouse feet are different on each mouse. 2. UL2, MM710 or Model o-

[@Beardedbob]

What size is your hand also :-)

[@vitaliyartstudi0]

Bob you doing so Big work! That is amazing. I like Mod mouses and etc. Your information is very important. I created metallic legs with unbeatable gliding speed and have a lots of information about improving performance and ergonomic. So like you I want to show that info in my video. So it will be soon as possible. I am n1 recon in the world in bf4) Thanks a lot for your videos!

[@Beardedbob]

Thanks glad you are enjoying the content

[@flashyrun0168]

On 3:40 what latency where you measuring? Like a input lag or delay some kind of latency? Damn i play r6 and i even ordered the wireless one (mercury edition/white color) but its 28 milliseconds in cam latency while the wired has only 13 milliseconds in cam latency, now im having second thoughts.

[@Beardedbob]

device, so from when you move the mouse to when the game registers it. There are a few things that can impact this hence there are a few tests to help. tricky one to measure, i've a Nvidia Reflex monitor to use for testing also.

[@flashyrun0168]

@@Beardedbob if the razer viper ultimate is used in wired will it equal the performance of the razer viper ambidex wired or will it stay the same?

[@flashyrun0168]

@@Beardedbob which has lower latency, the razer viper ultimate or the glorious model o wireless?

[@bigwonton3871]

If you pick right handed (or left) are you able to use all 4 side buttons at the same time without switching to left? (Or right)

[@Beardedbob]

Yes you can. All four side buttons are configurable all the time.

[@simatro9797]

Hey,my hands are 8,5 16,5 could this be a good mouse for me or what do you recomend. i want a lie latency.

[@Beardedbob]

It could be a bit long for you. You should look at the mm710, ultralight 2, model o- or rumour has it razer are releasing a smaller viper but I’ve not heard anything

[@simatro9797]

@@Beardedbob hmm okey where can i read about the smaller viper?

[@gt7984]

Hey, i´d like to buy a replacement shell for my viper ultimate. Since razer doesn´t sell replacement parts, I´d buy a regular viper as parts source. Are the shells the same and interchangeable?

[@Beardedbob]

They aren't the same.

[@gt7984]

@@Beardedbob Ah sad, anyways thanks for letting me know!

[@Jpeasy]

So the button latency results confuse me... Wireless wins in game tests yet loses in bump test? How?

[@Beardedbob]

Could be the game engines behaving differently or something else. We will have to see how the trend goes as we get more data on mice

[@Jpeasy]

@@Beardedbob did you have raw input turned on when testing Seige?

[@alkestos]

I have to call some error there. It's very suspicious that clicks have less latency compared to each other and then have more latency in game test. It makes no sense at all.

[@ProjectFraz]

I can't really trust this video because of that

[@johnzy6346]

Yo Bob maybe you can do a GPW vs RVU comparison?

[@Beardedbob]

Sure will its on the radar

[@collins5647]

Is focus+ sensor ( viper ultimate) noticeably better than 5g (viper standard)?

[@Beardedbob]

I would say no.

[@CALBT]

sir your video transition gave me a mini heart attack I thought my card about to die

[@Beardedbob]

haha, there is nothing like the feeling of a GPU dying when the screen goes like that from a ram issue.

[@TheStrangersVlog]

amazing review, still waiting for the viper ultimate and the g pro comparison

[@Beardedbob]

Thanks glad you liked it. Comparison coming after the viper mini

[@Vurvan620]

wondering if I can replace the encoder, really like the mouse but the scroll wheel is too stiff for my liking

[@Beardedbob]

On the ultimate you should be able to but on the wired I’m not sure

[@friendsRfor773]

what about delay on mousewheel scroll?

[@Uknurse464]

I don’t get the point for being lighter on the wired ? I’m curios bc when you lift the mouse your also lifting the wire lol so wouldn’t it be heavier with the wire ?

[@Beardedbob]

The ultimate has a battery and these are heavy. They are also part of the mouse body where the cable is only a small portion thats included hence it's lighter. If you took all of the wire into account the wires are heavier but when gaming this isn't how you would use it.

[@sugarhiIl]

it’d be legendary if you could do a weight reduction on the razer naga trinity

[@Beardedbob]

Np I will look into it

[@sarrafkuwait]

welldone bro ... so who is faster gpro wireless or viper

[@Beardedbob]

I don't know yet but we shall see

[@espgodson]

is your scale messed up? mines showing 74g kinda weird

[@Beardedbob]

Nope not compared to other mice I've tested. I expect there is some difference in just the tolerance by a gram or so or the mice.

[@kiiroisenko7739]

Can you use the viper wired parts as spare for the viper ultimate? The shells?

[@Beardedbob]

Certain ones you can like the switches.

[@jackofbl4des]

god damn i just find a rough diamond of a channel right here feeling lucky.. a very neat picky guy just like me.

[@jackofbl4des]

waiting for that weight reduction razer viper video!

[@jackofbl4des]

the thing is measuring like that with a screen is a bit like playing jackpot, if you are displaying at 144hz each frame has a delay of 7ms so when you press the button it can vary from +0 to +7ms inconsistently, so i would recomend to do a run of 50 times then do an average to compare more evenly, also i would show paint on display changing from black to white when clicking

[@Beardedbob]

Welcome and glad you found me :-).

[@Beardedbob]

It wont be long now as my Viper mini has arrived so a battle of the weight reduction will begin.

[@Beardedbob]

I do plan to do more tests but atm just to get this information is exceptionally time consuming. Down the road if I get more time or can do it full time we an get some larger samples to help flatten out any anomalies to provide a better avg

[@sir.barnaby6328]

Never really expected things like friction and actuation forces to be in a mouse review, really cool details. Im just questioning the legitimacy of some of the test, it's really hard to believe that the wireless would have such higher movement delay but lower press delay. Better testing methods needed, also would be neat if you stated the sample size of each test. Really unique review, but delay testing needs to be reworked considerably.

[@Beardedbob]

Glad you like the review 👍. The sample size is something that’s been discussed before.

[@sir.barnaby6328]

@@Beardedbob One more thing, perhaps it would be nice to measure some sort of signal strength/range with wireless mice? With the very concise and wide testing you do this would really complete the set.

[@yosaagesta6300]

bob what u recomend for me best mousepad for viperultimate? for fast movement i use gigantus not much fast

[@Beardedbob]

Totally depends on what you like personally. But check out the AMP500, MP510, Qck+, G640, Artisan Hein, Artisan Zero, Helios

[@yosaagesta6300]

@@Beardedbob qck neon rider ? is heavy or qck+

[@mahidG]

Most pro uses qck or g640. I had a steal for g640 for only $21.30 maybe wrong pricing cuz they got out of stock the day after i purchase lol.

[@mlzu.]

These results surprised me. I would what happens if you do the click mod on Reddit compared to the old clicks

[@Beardedbob]

Do you mean by removing the spring on the rear of the button?

[@mlzu.]

Beardedbob yea, also razer has a firmware update for the wired viper, so that could have some effect.

[@klash3532]

Great video, although I have some thoughts. I get that you want to make it as clear as possible when showing your results in the diagram, but I find it very deceiving when the X-values are so inconsistent, like when you show the ms latency in Kovaaks, and you start at 16. It just makes it look like the Viper wireless has a huge gap over the regular Viper. Again I get why you're doing it, but for me the only thing it does is make it harder to see how significant the gap is, arguably counteracting the whole purpose of changing the starting point to make it clearer in the first place. Another thing that I thought was weird was that you didn't take into consideration to the fact that the Viper Ultimate is actually wireless, which to me should give the Ultimate a point in its own, as it is also the reason for being heavier. I realize after rereading this that it may come off as snarky, but that is definitely not my intent. Again, great video nonetheless.

[@Beardedbob]

Thanks I'll look into it. In regards to the points and not using cable or wireless as one to score it's because I only wanted to use 10 points to keep the video shorter and the wireless/wired is an abvious one.

[@xgxfhzxfuhfjgfhgf]

yes it is confusing but it forces you to use critical thinking kind of

[@user-yk2wb2zo8x]

Please compare g pro wirless vs viper ultimate wirless vs Razer Basilisk Ultimate Hyperspeed Wireless pleeeease

[@Beardedbob]

Can do, I need to pick up the Bas. I would have thought it would be better compared to the g502 lightspeed

[@Gatechsq21]

I like your content Bob, it's quite unique. Since you're data driven, few pointers - since your sample size is 1, it's fair to let the viewer know, individual results may vary. Also, your graphs visually show huge size differences when the point difference is only a few milliseconds - please use the correct axis. Finally, as a viewer I'm not sure If most folks can perceive a few milliseconds difference, it would be nice to hear your views on real world impact. Appreciate the content!

[@Beardedbob]

Yep some fair points I add this info to my measurement updated vid.

[@bobert6644]

Can you do a breakdown video for the RVU? I'd like to change the micro usb port to usb type C so I can use a magnetic attachment to charge it

[@Beardedbob]

Will do. It’s next as everyone wants to see this 🤣

[@bobert6644]

@@Beardedbob thank you. Didn't know it was so requested haha

[@okan743]

That’s a amazing review thanks. I have Razer viper and I like that’s shape. Just I don’t like its skates. I want to buy wireless mouse but I’m not sure should I buy Viper Ultimate or GPW(never tried before GPW) if a buy Viper Ultimate I can sell my wired Viper. What Do you think is that necessary to take Viper Ultimate instead of wired Viper. (My hand size 19.5-10 cm ,relaxed claw )

[@Beardedbob]

Glad it helped. I'm gong to be dropping a Viper vs GPW very soon but picking between them isn't easy. My daily is a GPW 60g modded version.

[@harunolcer6900]

Hangi mouse u aldin ? Viper kabloluyu nicin birakiyorsun bende almayi dusunuyorum

[@okan743]

HARUN ÖLÇER ikisinde kullandım g Pro ve Viper ultimate. Gpro yu sevemedim elime uymadı çok yüksek arka kısmı. Şuan Viper ultimate kullanıyorum tavsiye ederim skatezleri gpro ya göre çok iyi.

[@harunolcer6900]

Okan Uzun teşekkürler dostum el olculerimiz tutuslarimizda birerbir ayni 👌 bana cok faydasi olacak ama bir sey daha soracagim kablolu mu kablosuz mu almaliyim sence ? Deger mi fiyat farki ? Speedflex kablo rahat mi ?

[@okan743]

HARUN ÖLÇER eğer imkanın varsa kablosuz al. Ben ilk defa kullandım kablosuz mouse çok farklı bi hissi var.haraket hızımı baya değiştirdi. Birde kablolu ve kablosuz Viper ın skatezleri farklı araştırmışsındr illaki. Baya hissettiriyor ultimate im skatezleri çok daha kaygan. Kısacası ben çok memnum hocam ama en önemlisi eline uyması tabiki. Gpro ya bir türlü alışamamıştım çünkü arka kısmı çok yüksekti

[@himbary]

How can wireless have a lower click latency than wired?

[@manuvdh5211]

Sow I have a question witch one is realy faster

[@Beardedbob]

I would check the charts and see which area is relevant.

[@manuvdh5211]

@@Beardedbob sow u recommend the wirlew or the wired

[@Beardedbob]

If I had to pick I would go wireless :-)

[@flavis35]

Which Sensor is better ? Viper oder V.ULtimate ? Thx

[@Beardedbob]

Imo they are both as good as each other.

[@MrKarli120]

Both extremely good. Human can't feel the difference

[@flavis35]

@@MrKarli120 i have tons of mices here. Ultimate Viper , Viper , Razer Deathadder Elite, Rivals 310 , Gpro , XM1 , G1 , G502 and a lot more. But at the end i like the most my Razer DA Elite. Do you think the Sensor from the DA Elite can keep up with the Viper Sensor series?

[@MrKarli120]

@@flavis35 DA elite and viper have the same sensor (pixart 3389)

[@MrKarli120]

@@flavis35 Viper ultimate technicaly have better sensor but the difference is negligible. Just focus on the shape and weight, sensors like 3360,3366,3389,hero, focus+ are all same extremely good. Only specific testing can show the difference, human can't.

[@nix4o493]

The preference for scroll stiffness can't be given points in either one. Because there are people that prefer smoother scrolls, or people like me, that like stiffer and more tactile scrolls.

[@Beardedbob]

True though I rated it more on my personal preference.

[@ColByte]

You gotta consider speed though, less resistance is technically faster 🤷‍♀️ lol..

[@nix4o493]

@@ColByte Speed in a scroll wheel in game doesn't really matter to me. Even with frequemt use while bhopping.

[@gabrielst527]

The only things the Razer Viper needs to upgrade would be, a silent option since the switches are laser (no need to get a clicking noise if the switches are laser) and also a lower travel time for the side buttons (the logitech g 502 had perfect travel time, i think it feels like half of what the viper currently has)

[@Beardedbob]

True a lot of people as me which is a silent switch and the opto's are perfect for it.

[@ducamorisable]

In my country the Viper Wired is a 100e, and the Viper Ultimate is 200e. I bought the Wired one on sale for 60e, and I really liked the shape (I'm coming from a Rival 300) so I figured I'd maybe go for the Ultimate, but the cheapest one I found was 140-160e (so still well over x2 the price of the Wired one). So my question is... Is it worth it? I mean I'm coming from the Rival and a terrible cable, so this one is pretty good in comparison, and I also have a Zowie bungee which I didn't even try with the mouse because again... In comparison to the cable on my old mouse this one is... yeah... Anyways I watched the video, but I haven't really seen much of a difference. I thought the skates were better on the Ultimate, but from your test it's the cable that makes a difference, not the skates themselves. And I do play CS:GO at a semi-high level 3000+ elo faceit, so every little bit helps, but the differences in clicks were pretty negligible weren't they? I mean hell the Wired one actually had better response time in some of the tests... So did I pretty much answer my own question here, or am I missing something? Also how good is the Model O Wireless? In my country they're only available through people who resell them, and not from actual stores. They're around 80e, and in new condition - But the problem is, if something were to die on the mouse, I'd probably end up waiting 1-2+ month to get it repaired. Should I just stick with the Viper Wired then? I mean I heard great things about the mouse, but is it really worth all the possible headache?

[@Beardedbob]

The Viper wired is good, I just personally don't like the shape. Here's my review kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZ3YZpyZbrF6iLc The Model O is a better shape for me also

[@ducamorisable]

@@Beardedbob Hey, thanks for the reply! I'm coming from a SS Rival 300, and I have a finger tip/ palm grip, with 19.5cm by 10cm hands. The Rival was kinda big for me, since I never fully palmed it, but I had it for 6-7+ years. I got the Cooler Master MM710, but that was *way* too small, so I returned it. I then bough the Viper Wired, and I'd prefer if it was a tiny bit bigger, but it's still pretty good. I think the G Pro or Model O would fit me better because they're a bit taller, and not as low profile. However like I said, everything is pretty expensive here, there was a G Pro on sale for 140e a couple days ago, and you probably won't be able to find one below 120e, so that's still x2 the price of this one. So I don't know if it's worth the upgrade. I also cannot get my hands on any after market feet, and from what I've seen the G Pro doesn't have the best ones, so that's a bummer... I'll be sure to watch your video. But do you think that the G Pro / Ultimate are worth it at x2/x2.5 price of this one? And should I risk getting a Model O Wireless for 80e. Because like I said they don't sell them in my country, so if something were to stop working on the mouse, it would probably be a month or two of waiting to get it fixed. I just don't know if any of those 3 mice are that much better than this one..? Like I said, I've had the Rival for 6-7+ years and it still works perfectly fine, but I would like to upgrade. I have the money to spend, but at the same time I'm not really looking to drop 200e on a mouse, especially if the differences are negligible.

[@wollismcboris2676]

The mouse is amazing, bought it for christmas

[@Beardedbob]

Sure is, great mouse

[@asuraswrathrt]

Would be nice if you could compare the side buttons next time :)

[@Beardedbob]

I will do on others it's just on this the buttons are the same apart from the scroll. 👍 GPW ill compare

[@OptionalOG]

@@Beardedbob I swear I thought my Ultimate had less pretravel than the wired side buttons. Maybe I'm nuts.

[@raddgreatrad1654]

Can u also review ang gwolve hati and compared it to gpro wireless?

[@Beardedbob]

Sure am, its on the plan over the next week or 2

[@raddgreatrad1654]

@@Beardedbob tnx bob your thr best

[@Beardedbob]

👍

[@serenity-gg9hs]

Can you do a weight reduction on the logitech g402 please ?

[@Beardedbob]

will do part of the bigger plan.

[@serenity-gg9hs]

@@Beardedbob sorry I don't get what you are trying to say

[@DanielS-zq2rr]

never had a wireless mouse but that latency looks great on the wireless

[@Beardedbob]

The new ones are awesome now.

[@dumbretard8931]

3:06 hahaha the fricking cat

[@Beardedbob]

Meow

[@dumbretard8931]

Beardedbob but whats wrong with its leg?

[@narfsc2657]

Hi bob, ive bought the wired version of the Viper, rocking it for about a week now. I tested Humanbenchmark straight away when i got it. After playing for severals hours i repeated the tests on human benchmark and still doing it every day multiple times. What ive found is that the mouse somehow got faster after a while of using it. Maybe it has to do with the buttons starting to get a little wear or something. The thing is i put really alot of time into humanbenchmark testing / getting used to the mouse because it somehow does matter where you press the button down. So here are some screenshots of "average" results imgur.com/a/gl5553p imgur.com/a/o57GsxY (no prediction and no clicks below 130ms involved, tested on a 144hz Monitor, with Chromium Browser, 1000hz polling rate) Initially i got around 165ms on average, but since day 3 im consistantly hitting around 142-148 ms on average. because your results in the video are shockingly close to my initial testing i had to bring this up. I could imagine that there could also be a little difference in manufacturing quality or quality variation of some parts of the mouse that could cause or explain the difference between the Viper and Viper Ultimate.

[@Beardedbob]

You could be getting used to the mouse or you are just getting faster at reacting to the green 😜

[@narfsc2657]

@@Beardedbob yea i think its probably getting used to the mouse, about reacting faster to the green well i dont know man, i always feel like im slow :D wanna buy a 240hz monitor with lower inputlag and faster responsetimes, my 144hz Monitor im currently at is quite old it could be a bottleneck ..

[@TitorRust]

wtf just 19k subs? by the quality of the video i thought it has at least 500k or 1m xD

[@exoss6442]

Razer viper with cable or g pro wireless?

[@Beardedbob]

Gpw with cable?

[@exoss6442]

Beardedbob I asked which one should I buy,razer viper (the one with cable,non the razer viper ultimate)or the Logitech g pro wireless What does gpro wireless “with cable”mean?

[@parker.mp3]

I feel like the latency could severely vary depend on the mouse bc you could get a lemon, you should have it so that a less than 5 ms difference is a tie or something

[@Beardedbob]

Yep there is certainly going to be some variables in this. Unless you have a lot of vipers in this case then you are not going to be able to get this level of measurement.

[@parker.mp3]

@@Beardedbob also I loved your mini viper ultimate, would that work with a bit of adjustment to a normal viper

[@HumoudAlOmar]

Thank you so much 👍🏼

[@Beardedbob]

Thank's Humoud Alomar I appreciated the support

[@holysmoke7887]

all I want for Christmas is a Razer Viper

[@Beardedbob]

Well you never know what 🎅 might bring

[@holysmoke7887]

@@Beardedbob 3 month update he never showed up.

[@flashyrun0168]

How about comparing the GPW and the razer viepr ultimate please

[@Beardedbob]

Sure will should be out soon with a free others like the mow, puc

[@pascalmittenbuhler9542]

4:03 That latency difference would be enough to play a fast round in CS:GO... ;)

[@shaolin95]

:D dang!

[@dfkdiek518]

Guys the viper u should upgrade the feet Which is like 15 bucks plus paracord Which is about 20 - 30 bucks to get the same preformance making it 110 - 130 to be the same preformance as ultimate however the ultimate has better latency costs 150 bucks and comes with a rgb charging dock it also has no cable so no cable drag and no need for a bungey. Plus better feet pre installed. Viper ultimate is really the ultimate

[@smu7373]

Noice!

[@Beardedbob]

👍

[@tchogon4692]

why ppl don't test the sensor

[@Beardedbob]

I do :-)

[@ghxstlxrd191]

came for the vid stayed for the cat

[@Beardedbob]

It’s all about the cats 😻😻😻

[@jafetgonzalez2771]

Finally! Someone who includes a cat.

[@Beardedbob]

Hehe, you will see them in most of my videos 😻😻

[@lindzzy8651]

who is bettter this or a deathadder v2

[@Beardedbob]

Comes down to what shape works for you

[@Sleepysleepyz]

So in conclusion the wired is better?

[@Beardedbob]

In some areas yes

[@urandonumsta3298]

+ for Viper Ultimate vs G Pro Wirelles

[@urandonumsta3298]

Best mouse specs EVER, i from brazil and i love your videos

[@Beardedbob]

Hello Brazil 👍😻

[@HenryTheBoilermaker3rdYear]

You didn't do the click latency 1000 fps properly.

[@Beardedbob]

How would you do it to ensure it’s done properly?

[@Costinmusca]

UNLESS you have pressed the switches or moved the two mice AT THE EXACT SAME INSTANCE of an in-game frame being either started or just finished rendering, the click or move to in-game frame is going to have a potential of AT LEAST 1 WHOLE FRAME inaccuracy.. that is 16.6ms on 60FPS, if not more than 1 frame, depending on circumstances as the game engine, or the in-game current action or system background processes.. Really can't even be taken as a rough guideline, so Idk why the bother.

[@Beardedbob]

Lots can affect latency, I wouldn't read into it to much.

[@louisholland7163]

Every like on the vide is +1 leg for the cat 😂

[@Beardedbob]

That's a lot of legs 😂

[@wolfgangfierce9559]

What's Blood PK?! :)

[@Beardedbob]

Latency testing program

[@raddgreatrad1654]

1st view, like and comment

[@Beardedbob]

😍😍😍👍

[@raddgreatrad1654]

@@Beardedbob hey bob make a comparison vid razer viper ultimate vs gpro wireless to your next video pls

[@tomasvaris8162]

I love your cat bro

[@Str8ABH]

Your Razer Viper Ultimate ms latency numbers are almost identical to what Linus Tech Tips got for their worst non-gaming wireless mouse they tested. Something is off here and it looks to be your numbers.

[@Beardedbob]

Which video and which mouse?

[@Str8ABH]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/paPLk2qEn89mnpo At 07:33 in that video. 36ms for their generic Logitech wireless and you got 28ms for your Ultimate latency. The game matters of course, but just throwing this out there.