BEATING AIRBUS - The Future Of Boeing

[@keithwalker6892]

Having been a contracting engineer at Boeing on the 727 and 737 and it being such a great company ,hope it’s mgt knows managing an aircraft company, it returns to what it was. Engineering first and money next

[@johniii8147]

You always have to balance the two. It's all in finding the right balance. It's not one or the other.

[@boondockduane]

727 a true rocket sled and is still my favorite plane. To ride on it just one more time is bucket list. I applaud you for your work on a great piece of American Aviation History!

[@johniii8147]

@@boondockduane You're pretty much out of luck on that bucket list. Only 35 and declining are still in service worldwide.

[@nichendrix]

​@@boondockduaneone of my mother's cousin started his carrier in the bigger planes, piloting Brazilian air mail's 707 and 727, among other smaller turboprop types, this was when I was about 13 or 14, once he took me to his regular route with the 727 and back in the next day.even though it was a cargo I loved the plane, specially since I was on the cockpit.

[@boondockduane]

@@nichendrix totally cool. I remember flying with my family to Denmark regularly on Pan Am 707’s loud and fun to fly on Great story! Thanks!

[@jaxonmattox9267]

Once they get the 777X delivered they'll land more orders for it, there simply is no competition for the 777-9. The need for efficient large planes to service congested airports is only getting bigger, the 777X obviously can't turn the company around, but if they pull off a smooth introduction to service it will be a major step to getting back on track for Boeing

[@artrandy]

Yes, I agree with that, but don't rule out Airbus pulling something out of the hat by making an announcement to offer some increased competition with the 777X, maybe to steal the limelight back off Boeing, once the 777X is certified, providing Airbus agree with you that there's a sustainable market for this size of aircraft. With all the delays to the 777X, Airbus have had 'donkey's years' to come up with something in their design office. And RR declare under press releases, that development of the UltraFan means that some new technology can be transferred to current Trent engines, and that infers this decade. However, Im not one of the crystal ball gazers who operate on these vids, swearing that they actually know what's going to happen. Im not, and I don't know, its a supposition..........

[@themindset3329]

What do you mean no competition?

[@r12004rewy]

The 350- 1000 is a far superior aircraft to the 777

[@is500fsport5]

@@r12004rewywrong, the current 777 is still better than the A350. The 777X will be even better when it enters service

[@r12004rewy]

@@is500fsport5 when ?

[@benjaminglasgow1193]

I'm still rolling with Boeing. Most of the traveling public have no idea whether the last airplane they flew on was a Boeing or Airbus.

[@GmodGTX]

That's certainly true, but it's not a positive thing when your argument is that most people won't care what they fly anyway, so therefore Boeing will be fine.

[@povertyspec9651]

I book only Airbus flights

[@neilpickup237]

As for the next couple of years at Boeing, I suspect that we will see little more than sorting out the mess the company is in, and eliminating any issues with the 737 Max, 787, and 777x. The uncertainty might even be if 2 years is long enough. From what we already know about shortcomings at both Boeing and their suppliers and subcontractors, I dont think that we can rule out there still being issues to surface.

[@theflyer1]

A full refresh of Boeing's management is desperately needed to save the company. The old engineers and designers at Boeing, are and have already retired, and were forced out by the wall street "money first" managers. Now Boeing is feeling the effects of its poor decisions, but cant and wont acknowledge them publicly, but the signs are all there. From all tests going wrong, cant certify or deliver planes in time, the CEO Calhoun has given up on designing any new aircraft until after 2030, losing huge orders to Airbus,..but yet and still wont admit there is a problem. Airbus is winning with their well thought out products. All their offering have been over performing. I can bet they already have 2-4 designs of single aisle, MoM aircraft and wide bodies to counter any new secret design Boeing might launch. Airbus is gonna be on top for quite a while!!

[@TheCondorStripes]

It is amazing to seeing the B77X and B737X in the future, keep it going.

[@kwwong2893]

Boeing has extracted the full potential of the short leg 737, that's why the latest model called 737 Max. Time for Boeing to develop a clean sheet model

[@1awrenceofarabia]

Boeing gets a lot of heat for going with the Max vs a new clean sheet but I think their timing was correct. With the state of emerging tech in engines, truss wings, and composite construction techniques, I think it was wise to extend viability for existing designs.

[@nickolliver3021]

Even Airbus has extended the full potential of the high leg a320 thats why the latest model 320/321NEO. Time for Airbus to develop a clean sheet model too by that logic

[@sox-on-a-duck693]

​@@nickolliver3021Don't worry about Airbus; they WILL. Just worry about Boeing

[@nickolliver3021]

@@sox-on-a-duck693 worry about Boeing for what?

[@alabama1413]

Boeing made a huge error in bringing an ‘updated’ 737 to the market when it was absolutely clear there would be major issues. I believe their reputation has been deeply scarred by the revelations of short cuts in production, being in bed with the FAA & the horrendous loss of life with the two crashes. The fact that no senior individuals in the company were sent to prison just shows how far the US system of justice has failed families whilst blackballing the whistleblowers. Now we learn of problems with the 777X & 787 which have been festering for many years. I know many airlines will now move away from Boeing in the coming decade. They only have themselves to blame. Advantage Airbus it seems.

[@lactoese]

As much as i love the 777, there was no reason to just frankestein all it’s old aircraft. Boeing thought of making the 767-400 or 767x as they called it, the future of large twin wide bodies but they luckily decided to make a new aircraft, the 777. Every time you update an existing aircraft you may be saving a few billions in dev, but risking a lot in sales and innovation if you could make a clean sheet ultra modern aircraft that isn’t an old model that had surgery and an engine transplant but still a wrinkled face. The 787 was a success, the 777 was aswell, the 747 was originally also supposed to be a stretched 727. The 737max, and maybe but I hope not, the 777x are aircraft that could have been clean sheet designs and for the max it definitely should have. I hope Boeing get their idea of plane making back to what it was and should always be.

[@bobkataviation3967]

Nailed it👍🏾

[@tenkloosterherman]

The 737 should have been dropped decades ago.

[@achmadosman9807]

Boeing should focus on slowing the slump and preventing the fall from accelerating. Anything else is hubris. As a passenger , I actively avoid traveling on Boeing and search out for an Airbus why purchasing a ticket. Why? Wider seats , compare every Boeing plane to its opposition. Those additional cm counts an hour into a flight.

[@luschmiedt1071]

Calling the recovery of the 737max "superb" might be a stretch. The -7 and -10 where saved by lobbying congress to wave safety regulations which was only introduced because Boeing cut corners

[@marcuspethurst2939]

Magnificent 777x Um no even flown one passenger yet.

[@Clery75019]

The B777X was first announced in 2011. Just give it a bit more time.

[@michaelosgood9876]

History has shown No aircraft manufacturer has once ruled the roost, lost out to a competitor only to come back and be number 1 again. Just hasn't happened and is unlikely to do so in this case. The obsession with being Number 1 can be a major distraction from what should be The main task- designing and building the greatest aircraft for market. This is clearly evident with Boeing.

[@TacticaLLR]

I love the design of the 737 more than any other modern aircraft it just looks so cool.

[@alalfred3474]

Boeing was a great company with marvelous planes delivered and operating around the world. To get back to its glory days, Boeing needs to fix the defective planes in storage and operation. It also needs to address the company culture and management decisions which were obvious in recent mishaps. Along the way, it needs to further mend relationship with its unions and communities. Frankly, it cannot treat its employees as dirts while reaping local tax subsidies. To its core value, Boeing is an engineering and product company, not just a company geared toward delivering shining earnings to its shareholders and Wall Street.

[@nickolliver3021]

Airbus was a great company with marvellous planes delivered and operating around the world. Guess what supply chain constraints are stopping them from doing so. Boeing on the other hand are sorting out their defective planes in storage and operation. The company culture has already been addressed and so has the management decisions. The mishaps have been and should be forgotten about. They have turned themselves around for the past 3 years nearly. So I would expect 2025 to see lots more orders and planes being certified both 777x 737-7/10 all in service!

[@aviatorsound914]

@@nickolliver3021 Hopefully company culture doesn’t return to money first and engineering last.

[@nickolliver3021]

@@aviatorsound914 Why would the company culture return to money first and engineering last?

[@artrandy]

@@nickolliver3021 Why would company culture "return to money first and engineering last?". Answer, because Boeing have gone down this route already, screwed up their own reputation and that of the US regulator, and its likely to be habit forming..........

[@alalfred3474]

@@nickolliver3021 As a Boeing shareholder for many years, I hope your statement is true. Based on recent newspaper reports and Boeing product development status, I think they have a long way to go to restore to its glory days, not to mention the billions of financial hole caused by MAX and product quality issues. It will take up to 10 years to pay down the debt. Luckily, Airbus has such a huge backlog and industry supply chain issues which created a long lead time for A320 delivery. Therefore, MAX will continue to sell well. There is no other credible commercial airplane supplier in the world who can serve the airline industry.

[@earthsteward9]

They also need to develop a replacement for the 767, especially the catgo version. I hope they develop a version of the x-48 with options for either CFM Rise engines or hydrogen fuel cell powered electric engines

[@CoSmicGoesRacing]

I believe that a 787F will be the next replacement for the 767-300F.

[@johniii8147]

@@CoSmicGoesRacing Yep they are actively working on it figuring out the challenge the composite structure will pose for adding cargo doors.

[@CoSmicGoesRacing]

@@johniii8147 but would the freighter be based on the 787-8 or 787-9? (Which one most closely matches the size of the 767-300ER/300F)

[@johniii8147]

@@CoSmicGoesRacing They haven't said. The 8 best matches the size ( though still larger) but it's not all about size. They have an issue to work out with the composite barrel construction on the 787. You can't just go cutting a big hole in such a structure without compromising structural integrity with composites. It was easier for Airbus on the 350 given a different approach of bolting on composite panels. It's much easier to just remove some the panels for the door.

[@tenkloosterherman]

I flew on the 767 a couple of times on the Amsterdam-Aktau shuttle. Didn't particularly like them. I discovered that they were actually owned by KLM but leased out to Air Astana. I wonder why. Maybe KLM did not like them too?

[@iceman9678]

Most passengers don't care or know what aircraft type that they're on. What they do care about is cabin configuration, comfort, and services. Those items are independent of a/c type.

[@lactoese]

A new aircraft can support modern cabins that old aircraft can’t. They are much quieter and more reliable. In your argument, you would not notice the difference between an old 747-200 and an a380 which is much quieter and has better cabin air quality among dozens of other things.

[@artrandy]

I remember the DC10 wasn't popular with passengers on safety grounds, the MAX has been lucky in that respect, with less justification...........

[@mandandi]

I will be interesting to see how it all works out. Airbus has two composite families in the A220 and A350. Boeing has one - the B787. A replacement of the 737 will be an interesting one for me, since Airbus will probably be forced move the A320 family replacement upwards a bit in terms of passenger capacity to allow room for the A220. The 777-9 has the higher end all to itself when it comes into service. The 787 also rules the sector below A350 over the A330neo at the moment it seems. The A350-900 has effectively replaced the B777-200 I think. The 787 has done a stellar job replacing the 767 over at Boeing as well for the passenger variant. The other battle I am interested in is between the A350-1000 and 777-8, to see how it plays out. If they eventually go that route both Airbus and Boeing have two families to replace with composite planes - A320 and A330 families; and 737 and 777x families respectively.

[@patrickpeters2903]

Boeing management made several wrong decisions 20 years ago. It cost billions and will take much time to recover and catch up Airbus. I'm afraid things won't change before 2035...

[@kevinpryde1465]

I have a question 777X has been going on for a few years I know it’s not certified yet But are they building all the components and putting them together and storing them in one place or will they wait to have been certified before starting to make aircraft and give to customers

[@tenkloosterherman]

The 737max is a further development of a stone-age design which should have been dropped decades ago. Boeing was wrong to stop building the far more advanced 757, which would have been able to compete with Airbus.

[@SkyWatchAviation]

Good go Boeing

[@cnn787-i9e]

Boeing: Get rid of the YOKE. Use sidesticks for your future aircrafts.

[@linkcenter]

with the money wolves at the top at boeing it can only go downhill.😂

[@bret9741]

The future isn’t the 737…. It’s sales are simply due to the fact that the A-320 production line cannot keep up. In addition IM WILLING TO BET Airbus will have a replacement design for the A-320 line sometime in the next 10 years and will begin offering sales of this platform even offering current order A-320 line conversions. Boeing has become Boring. Ok….777x is needed. But don’t expect it to be the only platform of its size available for long. In the long run… what ever manufacturer delivers value and also safety will win. One huge problem at Boeing is they don’t understand they the looks of an aircraft are important. The new braces wing concept looks ancient. If that is their future… Airbus will finish Boeing off in 20 years. Airbus understands that aircraft need to look amazing both on the inside and out. Boeing once understood that innovation, new products and beautifully designed aircraft caught the aviation community’s hearts and minds. Now it’s run by leaders who look for short term profits and just stretching existing designs as far into the future as possible. For example, the F-15 will be out of production in 10 years. The F-18 in 2-3. This will leave Boeing making a handful of trainer jets for the Air Force and possibly Navy. After that, Lockheed and Northrop will be all that’s left making fighters and bombers. The 737, 767, 777, 787 is all Boeing has left in the pipeline. Of these none are designs under 20 years old and in the case of the 737 it’s a tube based on a 70 year old fuselage.

[@tenkloosterherman]

The F-15 is actually the McDonnell-Douglas Eagle; the F-18 is actually the Northrop-Grumman Hornet. Nothing to do with boeing. If I stick a Porsche sticker on the back of my Volkswagen it is still a Volkswagen. The 737 is indeed a stone-age design.

[@bret9741]

@@tenkloosterherman Boeing owns both now and has been updating and improving these platforms for years. That being said they have nothing else in the pipeline

[@tacticalcharlie4696]

I’ve been saying this for a while Boeing is doomed they try to move 3-5 generations ahead but by the time they certify that technology is old instead of trying 1-2 generations ahead and certify on time airbus just keeps getting ahead of Boeing every day

[@737-max7nerd]

All the pilots gonna love the airbus until their all ai lol

[@redlock4004]

The industry wide aircraft certification delays are a scourge to the industry. Hopefully the pendulum will swing back to a more normal time frame. Otherwise developing new aircraft will become too long a process. Aircraft like the 777, the world's largest commercial aircraft in production today, will be take far longer to replace than is needed.

[@aviatorsound914]

Tho, I do believe certification shouldn’t be rushed and safety comes first before any other priority.

[@redlock4004]

@@aviatorsound914 That, I think, Goes without saying.

[@johniii8147]

It was a needed change since the FAA was essentially allowing manufactures to self certify. It was decades long practice. Both Boeing and the FAA are having delays catching up with the change. Boeing has to get better at documentation process and the FAA has to get more staffing. Overtime this should smooth out.

[@tenkloosterherman]

@@redlock4004 Then why rush proocedures?

[@redlock4004]

@@tenkloosterherman Where did I say we should "rush" anything? Removing delays is not the same as rushing. Just read the words that are there, don't add any of your own.

[@thegimliglider]

Its ethically not acceptable for me buying the 737 max But its just my opinion so feel free to try convincing me for another opinion

[@alwaleedalthani9624]

I think the real future is the 787 as I think the 777X is not going to work except with EK but point to point future is the 787 and A330 and 350

[@peter0x444]

I don't think so - you see a trend of many airlines bringing back 747s and a380s from storage, due to a clear demand increase. Slot pairs aren't becoming more abundant, there will always be a sizable market chunk for such a plane, with aviation's continued growth.

[@nickolliver3021]

777x will be in demand. the -10X may be something they will do getting to the 2030s.

[@12345anton6789]

@@peter0x444there are a few airlines that have brought back the 747/A380 from storage, the only reason for this is the delay with 777x that they have ordered a long time ago.

[@aviatorsound914]

777x should really have gone for new composite technology, rather than sticking to the old air frame. Saving money is a short term benefit, unlike having the airplane with newer technology in service.

[@johniii8147]

while it's true the 787 will always outsell the 777X, there is a market niche for it. It's going to have to prove itself and Boeing will have to price it accordingly to make it worthwhile for themselves and the carriers.

[@delta_cosmic]

Both aircraft are designed by entrepreneurs not engineers

[@nickolliver3021]

then the a350 and a330neo is designed by entrepreneurs and not engineers

[@Bowlyful]

The futur of Boeing looks bleak AF...

[@nickolliver3021]

evidence?

[@Bowlyful]

@@nickolliver3021just look at the market share boeing vs airbus, they are losing more and more ground. Futhermore they refuse to invest on a brand new platform so that mean that they will lose more and more market share in the next decade.

[@artrandy]

Just not true bro. Boeing is too big to fail, and has enormous military strategic importance aside from the civilian division anyway, and although I don't know enough about US industrial politics to judge whether Boeing could be taken over by another US company, its clear that Boeing's design and production lines will be producing civil aircraft well beyond the next decade........

[@Bowlyful]

@@artrandy I don’t say that they will stop producing aircraft after the next decade, I’m saying that they will probably continue to produce significantly less than their competitors. Furthermore their military part is not doing particularly well compared to companies like lockeed Martin they are not in great position since their current aircraft are not what we can call the cutting edge. There was even call to split the company in two part since the civil side is underperforming…

[@artrandy]

@@Bowlyful It might have been a good idea to verify what you meant in the first place, instead of only doing so in retrospect. But "bleak AF", sounds pretty catastrophic to me. I can only comment on what you say, I can't go beyond that and also read your mind. I often complain about Boeing fans making unsubstantial or unbelievable statements on here, and the same must apply to Airbus fans. No need to exaggerate for effect. And right now, the aviation and defence world, can't do without Boeing and Airbus............

[@atracamoniusvlogs]

Boeing's 777x and 737max al maktoum international airport✈

[@Dan.d649]

Boeing will solve their troubles and they will be just fine. It just takes some time though. I'm still leaning on Boeing and their products.

[@kielbasa737]

Make one video without using the word "thus".

[@Starglance]

why so?

[@jamie-hb8gy]

There's no coming back from the 737 max disaster.

[@bazibazi629]

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[@sergiopenaflor1181]

Re-launch 747 with 3 engines; akin to MD11. airframe of 747 with engine layout of MD 11. This can simplify designing new plane; both with proven platform.

[@jamillikan]

Forget Boeing, especially the 737. Airbus all the way, better build quality.

[@stewartkristiansen1705]

Yeah it’s a bit sad that Boeings two future offerings are not completely certified to fly (except for 738 and 739) while airbus has four somewhat successful offerings.

[@thegimliglider]

In some planes, but not completely. Look at 777 (x) But im airbus fan i mean jal123 was completely boeings fault and yk the 2 737max disasters.

[@david.b4186]

But what about Airbus’ lies of the supposedly a321xlr in range, that are being found to be wanting? All Airbus did there (a321xlr) was trade seats for (expected greater) range and even then, Airbus themselves is admitting they’ll fall short on range expectations due to weight added from new required reinforced fuel tanks. Boeing on other hand are, more honest imho, with their faults whenever they show up compared to Airbus. And Boeing and offer all round, reliability + quality imho, track record speaks for itself (747 outlasted a380), (787 higher casm vs a350).

[@Dan.d649]

What part of Airbus do you work for? Just curious.

[@dirkvanderlaarse1878]

@@david.b4186 When airlines pick up their new airplanes at Boeing, till the 90's it took a day for the transfer of a new plane. Now it takes them a week, because of their "reliability and quality". And yes, Boeing is more honest..... then a few years ago (MCAS!) The 380 was not a commercial success, but if it was intended to attack their rival head on, it was a strategic masterpiece. The 330 came a little late to the market (as a 787 rival), but the 350-1000 is ahead of the 777x, so we'll see where that leads.