Companies Trying To Make These Idols INVISIBLE In Their Own Group?

[@BeBossTV]

Giselle's case is so obvious that it shook me 😐

[@suyeesia7770]

Yes

[@Lajwjwoajqjqowjahoaka]

@@mc1069 it's not like you would do better, your attitude is so shitty that even your biological parents left you

[@giselleakgae4100]

ME TOO!

[@ketakikhobragade7168]

Fr fr

[@Jen_nyyy]

Sad

[@Rosaa_dlo]

For me it’s really worrying the way Liz lost so much popularity just because she gained weight

[@hani951]

It’s so sad and alarming.. they want idols being healthy but not « their » idol

[@SakotraEndeva]

But she not so pretty now, because of the weight gain and bloated face. It is her work to look best , she can't handle it. She loosing a popularity it is simple.

[@danieljongco8436]

@@hani951 The double standard in Korea is insane and this is one of the example... Let's put 2 I've members Wonyoung and Liz. Liz is being bash cuz she gains weight and told she needs to lose weight in order to fit in Korea beauty standards. BUT!!! in the Wonyoung case she is being bash cuz she looks like a freaking skeleton and told to eat well and put some fat like in order to not look like a dead skeleton. Like WTF ?!

[@hani951]

@@danieljongco8436 exactly !!!😩😩

[@mia-kaikai]

@@danieljongco8436 both of these idols shouldn't be bashed. Liz shouldn't get told about her weight gain though, shes healthy, but wonyoung in the other hand is wayyy to skinny. Its not good for her

[@lisasbangsofficial4934]

Liz is underated and under appreciated

[@RobertskyPeachmann]

Liz and Giselle 🥺

[@aned5169]

She wasn't underrate until she gained a litlle more weight in the end of love dive era than suddely Starship begin to not showing her as much they used to. It's kinda more they are punish her for her weight gain, cause when they annoucended the members os IVE back in 2021 Liz got so much attention and got praised for her visuals that for me it's they showing to her if she's not skinny as before she wont be seen

[@starlinked]

Not necessarily underrated. It just so happen that majority of viewers do not necessarily follow groups or idols each step of the way. Many just casually listen and watch MVs. But if one really follow IVE for instance, Liz and Rei will easily be the top favorites of the group in terms of talent and personality.

[@joycea.7332]

@@starlinked I agree, she is popular within the fandom.

[@Godivaa]

no she’s not.she has 2nd most lines and is part of the most popular k-pop groups

[@z00merang18]

Yuta is seriously a fan attraction, he's so handsome, his stage performances are top notch and his on stage power is amazing. But yet he's still being neglected by not just company but by some fans too. And the majority of the fandom just jokes about him being obsessed with mark and winwin. I really hope when NCT Japan debuts, yuta can join the group and show his full potential.

[@naimaraven]

He deserves better💚

[@JiaPia3]

He really does. He’s my bias for 127, and has been for years at the point. No one can dethrone him for me.

[@vixxexo6855]

Yuta has such a nice voice and they give him like 1 line or 2 if he is lucky.

[@suyeesia7770]

Yes

[@suyeesia7770]

@@naimaraven yes

[@Ify0useekitwhy0wey0u]

To be honest I did got into the girl group IVE by Yujin and Wonyoung but after looking at their first ever photos to be out, Liz caught my eyes. After hearing their debut song 'Eleven', I fell in love with Liz beautiful voice. I really feel bad for her. She is so precious.. 😞💗

[@joycea.7332]

My bias is Liz 💕

[@allowmetowander5511]

Yes same as me... i really hate starship for keep doing the same thing after 3 songs.. le sserafim did so much better promoting all of their membera

[@stanbts5646]

Agreed, Liz is stunning and has such a beautiful voice that I really hope she can get more lines. It sounds like she sings so effortlessly in her covers.

[@Ify0useekitwhy0wey0u]

@@stanbts5646 I know right! She is talented in singing but starship isn't giving her enough lines to shine just like other members.

[@figarofigarini]

same, Liz was my bias on Eleven era, but now it's Ga-eul (Ga-eul and Liz)

[@hyewonnnnn8503]

I’ll always love Liz she’s gorgeous and her parts are always amazinggg

[@lovelydiva06]

The situation with giselle is probably one of the most bizarre cases of idols being practically ignored from group activities/promotions I’ve ever seen and for what? she’s pretty, she’s talented, great personality, good stage presence, I don’t get it, why they even debut her in aespa only to treat her this way, I really don’t get it

[@nomnomyearsago]

Shes chinese and sm treats chinese idols differently/worse thats why

[@ravenclaw17]

@@nomnomyearsagoJapanese. Ning Ning is the one that’s Chinese.

[@nomnomyearsago]

@@ravenclaw17 oh sorry

[@JiaPia3]

Yuta is a surprise. He was a favorite (esp for a foreign idol) of SM for a while. He’s still one of the most popular members on NCT, too. He was featured in Black on Black as kind of third in command behind only Taeyong and Mark (both are leaders). He got his center time in just about every MV too. I wonder if he pissed someone off at the company. He’s my bias of 127, and I didn’t know he was being mistreated like this.

[@suyeesia7770]

True

[@suyeesia7770]

@@Carolina-bw6gy yes

[@andreinapereira552]

@@Carolina-bw6gy nobody asked about Twice

[@bari9566]

@@andreinapereira552 that's just comparison

[@straykidscravity7289]

@브로커 that's a rumor

[@livlovelaugh]

Giselle deserves better honestly because she must’ve felt really bad when she’s almost always left out in group promotions or activities. SM please do better 😒

[@suyeesia7770]

True

[@btsismyoxyjin2013]

Exactly

[@kayubakar1127]

Dont worry, her aunt and the boyfriend of her aunt will take care of it

[@btsismyoxyjin2013]

@@kayubakar1127 bruh🙄why is her aunt boyfriend not taking care of her now?? After 2yrs already why is she treated worst in the group of she has such special relationship with SM??

[@_babagrill]

Right 😭

[@kenyz.hiireath]

it's so funny how fans love Yuta so much but SM just completely ignores him. Yuta and Taeyong were the one two memebers who gained my attention in the group to begin with

[@suyeesia7770]

Agree

[@_babagrill]

Same

[@lisettes.9598]

I feel like SM purposefully tried to disfigure him with the chin implant. He's been so self conscious since. Always covering it.

[@andreinapereira552]

@@lisettes.9598 chin implant?????? what?

[@lisettes.9598]

@@andreinapereira552 just look up Yuta's chin on youtube. There's a few videos about it. He started off with a gorgeous, very square masculine chin and jaw and clearly got a v shaped jaw shave and triangle implant that elongated his chin in a very unnatural way. I'm really hoping he gets it corrected because you can tell it bothers him. He covers it a lot with his hands when the camera is focused on him.

[@exosnisso8909]

Liz is so underrated!! She's so talented and the most talented one in the group. The company doesn't appreciate her talents which includes the vocals. But our girl showcased her vocals in a live when she covered aespa's songs which shocked fans.

[@naimaraven]

Giselle is seriously a gorgeous and a talented girl. SM is just sleeping on her talent and it's upsetting. I hope it gets better for her because she deserves the love too💜

[@phoenix8060]

Ikr, SM start noticing good things or else get bashed

[@suyeesia7770]

Yes

[@qAnnzy._.]

And racist. Sorry but you can’t deny it. Talent and beauty means nothing if you have a bad personality or are racist

[@syedasarmin1495]

@@qAnnzy._. She is not a racist sorry but a normal girl and and a racist there is huge gap between them And if you follow this channel then please saw there video clearly Giselle doing this things without knowing it's just a mistake and people also spread false rumours about her Come on we are all human And Giselle is also a human We have both good and bad side That's not makes you're racist Huh I clearly see in this situation people act like they're a very good human who had done nothing wrong in there whole life Then they attacking Giselle like she is the monster in this earth and they protect all humans from this Like this whole thing is fu*ked up Broo I'm tried to telling people that this was a mistake and people spread false information about that and make false rumours And she make apologies for her mistakes Why people don't want to understand the whole thing

[@Yingying-po9il]

@@syedasarmin1495 the problem is that she said the N word a few times, and it's not like she's uneducated in english because she has studied abroad in an english-speaking school.

[@one_stop_kpop_store]

Liz was my first bias and still is. It hurts me how they don't like just because she gained a little weight. I love her voice so much.

[@elietecassandra4901]

I hate when companys do this they don't see how all idols have potential

[@princessavienz]

Actually Liz caught my eyes first when I’ve first debuted. Her visual was so impressive with blonde hair and her facial expressions are so good (in fact most I’ve members are so good in flirting with the camera). I hope that she will get better exposure (but Starship is such a shitty company, so I can’t expect much from them. Sadly)

[@shubham_gupta9]

Liz we love you and we always do

[@sweetnsaltybish4153]

I just don’t think Chaeyeon needs to be apart of this list. She’s not even the most mistreated member of her group and she has the most lines and a lot of screen time. She wasn’t center a few times but she stood right next to Xiaoting, still clearly seen and focused on. Mashiro, Bahiyyih, and Yeseo are treated way worst. Barely any lines or screen time and never the focus or center. But I do agree with the rest of the people on this list. And Giselle is even sadder because it’s just the four of them, SM goes out of the way to ignore her and Yuta

[@GlitchM0de]

Yuta deserves the literal world. It’s so unfair SM hasn’t properly promoted A SINGLE solo activity Yuta has had

[@earthshuman3864]

Liz used to be attention too But since she get some weight K netizens are being harsh to her because of her weight not thinking she is teenage it can Affect her mental health

[@jiminverse3827]

Yes

[@SakotraEndeva]

Then she should lose weight. It is her work. She know it.

[@danieljongco8436]

@@SakotraEndeva Liz is not fault for this like wtf!? Is the double standard! Let's take an example with I've members. Liz and Wonyoung. Liz is being bash because she gains weight and is told to lose weight in order to fit in Korea beauty standards while Wonyoung is being bash because she looks like a skeleton and needs to eat more and put some Fat In order not to look like a dead skeleton

[@tomie3937]

@@SakotraEndeva she's healthy, stfu

[@misskay6831]

@@SakotraEndeva exactly

[@idktbh2453]

Liz' beauty is captivating, Ive is undeniably a group of visuals but hers is really something that I don't mind staring at whole day long... Her dimples cute 🥺 as well having a captivating vocals.

[@pizza9311]

Justice for Liz and Giselle 🥺 for Chaehyun cases, she is not the only one get mistreatment but Hiyyih, Mashiro and Yeseo too.

[@sieekakhan6761]

In Giselle's case, it is so obvious that she's deliberately excluded because how can you miss one member in a FOUR MEMBER GROUP???

[@earthshuman3864]

These days company prefer visuals more than vocals As result great talent stay hidden And for SM if you gonna mistreat foreign idols Than why take them in first place

[@Yorbelize]

Liz case is definitely because of her weight gain. Giselle case is because of her many scandals and also if the rumors are true, Giselle was only added to the group because her aunt is dating LSM. Yuta case is weird to me because at one point, I would say that Yuta was properly promoted in NCT and then it looks like SM just lost interest in him. SM is so weird. I think Wake One is promoting Xiaoting as the center because Xiaoting is very popular right now and she has been since their debut

[@kayubakar1127]

Giselle aunt shagged her boss why everyone so pissed about that fact 😂. I know aespa stan will defend her so hard that they denial about the nepo baby facts

[@btsismyoxyjin2013]

So shouldn't Giselle be treated better if she has such connection with Lee soo man??

[@Yorbelize]

@@btsismyoxyjin2013 true, the reason I mentioned that is because a lot of people discredit Giselle for that reason. Some people use that excuse saying she doesn't deserve to be in the group.

[@btsismyoxyjin2013]

@@Yorbelize Oo.....ok . I thought you were also hating on her for that 😅. Sorry for the confusion

[@JiaPia3]

People also say Giselle does not look like an idol. K-netz say she’s too plain, and that’s why they blurred her face since she looked like staff 😢

[@Camila17_]

I’m not sure if Chaehyun’s the actual center, but if she is it makes sense why she doesn’t change her hair much. I’ve heard companies try to not change their centers appearance too much so that they’re more recognizable throughout the eras to non-fans

[@asareirene]

Twice's Nayeon, Wonyoung has literally had the long black hair since debut. Yes. It's sometimes styled differently. But the colour has really never changed. So why is Chaehyun's hair a bigger issue? People are just reaching

[@divadream]

Ironically, she's actually had 5 different hair colors in the past year (black, pink, blonde, light brown, medium brown) which is the most of anyone in Kep1er

[@syris0325]

WakeOne is NOT making Chaehyun disappear or invisible. She's technically the official center but a lot of people were confused that she won 1st place anyway. Xiaoting has always been the actual center and it suits her more too. But WakeOne is definitely not, in any kind of way making Chaehyun disappear. She still gets a lot of parts and screentime too. The fact that netizens are complaining about the hair is hilarious too. Ever thought about the possibility of a company letting Idols decide what happens with their hair? Ever wondered that she maybe doesn't wanna kill her hair with tons of chemicals? Let's rather talk about Bahiyyih or Yeseo and Mashiro who don't get the treatment they deserve. Bahiyyih is extremely popular, every kpop-fan knows about her and yet she barely gets screen time or lines. That's actual mistreatment.

[@georgia9260]

Did they ever state in the show that 1st place would get the centre position? I see people saying that but I can’t remember it being said in the show or seeing anything official about it

[@udiana2887]

@@georgia9260 although they didn't said anything abt "center position", isn't 1st place is technically the center position? Gp999 is actually confusing tbh bcs they called center as kiling part just to avoid viewers abt produce series scandals. In my theory, there 2 reasons of why kep1er's recent comeback isn't that successful: 1. Chaehyun was basically not seen 2. Distributions sucks so bad. Chaehyun's biggest fanbase is from south korea and i guess chae's fans boycotted "troubleshooter" era bcs their fav are not there. Me as a hierang have been vocally said this matter ever since wadada, like chae's haters said that she's not the center material and she's fat. I got angry and defended chaehyun by saying she won by default and she deserved that spot and i blame wakeone for letting the peace within the fandom broke. Edit: i'm not saying to hate xiaoting, but alot of non-keplians also noticed this too, alongside with hiyyih's line distributions issue. I just blame wakeone for letting this happened. Wakeone really need to step up their game and realize what they have done wrong.

[@sultoni9719]

@@udiana2887 but she already got a lot of lines tho compared to xiaoting (which automatically means more center time in choreography), do you really want xiaoting to disappear huh? MAAAAYBE you should see the other issue, there's a member who got waaaaay too many parts, she got rap, vocal, AND dance part, yet she's not one of the more popular member, the one that they push THE MOST is not on the top biased member, think about that. That's the bigger issue than cHaeYun gOT nO CeNTeR in kep1er, unfair distribution IS the reason why kep1er isn't popular, people are TIRED seeing the unfairness, The show isn't even that popular in korea anyway, the last round voting system where koreans got a bigger voting power really shy away all the potential international fans, who actually watched the show, unlike some koreans who votes just because they dont want any non korean member in a group (the one who doesnt care about the group), that's where many of the korean members got the vote in the last round. idk why wakeone target the korean market when they know the show is more popular internationally, they really wanna please their smaaaaal korean market lol. They really f-up big time on the last round of gp999

[@udiana2887]

@@sultoni9719 idk, but i feel like chaehyun's line distributions didn't showcase her capabilities as the main vocalist, this is probably why her fans got angry. Xiaoting's visuals are very noticeable, they can just cover up over her lack of lines and she was part of the intro of the song. This is why ppl said that kpop is just business and it shows very well. Nowadays, visuals (xiaoting) are more recognizable than talents (chaehyun). All they care abt is visuals, visuals and visuals. You can apply this with dayeon who have loads of talents but can't beat xiaoting's popularity due to how ppl see her as the prettiest in the group. Yes, i am being salty bcs this is unfair, but i admit this bcs i'm opening my eyes and realized this matter.

[@ad0r338]

Agree😂😂

[@cup_noodl]

They never stated in GP999 that 1st place will guarantee center position. Yes, Chaehyun deserves better but her issue in particular is she should be getting more lines as main vocal, Xiaoting fits the center better, she's more marketable.

[@kalali7448]

Also Xiaoting slayed GP999 and should've actually been the center Track record wise

[@minsurey7717]

Xiaoting is center material

[@user-ib1is7ny7r]

Liz is really pretty and has really beautiful eyes and smile. starship needs to do better by her, because she doesn’t need to lose weight at all, and her version of after like’s chorus was the best.

[@Lajwjwoajqjqowjahoaka]

Yuta deserves more, there are so many cases that SM mistreated idols but this has gone too much it's like day by day an SM artist is getting mistreated. I'm sick and tired of that but I'll do my best to be by their side 🥺

[@suyeesia7770]

Agree

[@anotherferrigho]

I really love both Liz and Giselle so much

[@nanaa6322]

I'm keeping up with ive only because liz was there. She's the one captivate me with her vocal.. that's so sad her company did her dirty :"(

[@jungwoniz]

5 things 1. Chaehyun is the main vocalist, but even Dayeon gets more lines 2. Liz is the best vocalist in IVE, and one of the prettiest imo but starship ent treats her like nothing. 3. I find it weird how people bash Liz for gaining weight but also bash wonyoung for losing some. And also starship is the one who bashes Liz the most... weird, huh, 4. Giselle is one of the best female rappers in SM but she hardly gets the chance to showcase her skills 5. The way you say Liz sounds KINDA like Leeseo, which is a bit confusing, and if ur speaking English you don't have to say it in the Korean way.

[@Bxbyalys]

liz is the only one i like in the group anyways. she should get more lines and more fans as she should.

[@randomsheep1165]

This is just my opinion as a Chaehyun bias, since she is already the main vocal, and isn't in the dance line, so Xiaoting who is more of a visual/dancer being in the center a lot makes sense

[@MooKrob9935]

In my opinion, wakeone can give xiaoting center along with chaehyun if they think xiaoting is a great center. I'm agree with that. But the truth is wakeone didn't treat chaehyun as a center, her air time, outfit or everythings didn't support a word " center". She is main vocal but half of the line distribution is adlib. She deserve more and better theat.

[@gran-roan]

The weight correlation was clearly seen in Twice's Jihyo. But it mainly came from Netizen's relentless attacks, that made her insecure and left her in severe depression.

[@carlyyoon9593]

Xiaoting deserved to be center since day 1 she’s top1 just like sakura on pd48

[@minsurey7717]

Yes❤️

[@iamsodonewithkyujinsexpres2736]

For Me Liz is the visual and main vocalist for IVE Without Liz, IVE would be like a dish that made with high quality meats and vegetables but no ingredients Also Liz is my ideal type looks

[@suyeesia7770]

Yes

[@mariahlol2488]

without Liz Ive will have the weakest group in terms is vocals theyre already isnt that great at dancing and theyre average in rapping

[@sefia7635]

True

[@divadream]

*Chaehyun's actually had 4 hair color changes since winning (with black hair) -- pink, blonde, light brown, brunette Youngeun, Yujin and Mashiro have stayed within black-brown the whole time, Bahiyyih has been blonde and recently some pink (which for her is just a washout so it's still blonde)

[@Eeiyrra]

But her hairstyle has been the same, long straight hair with bangs 🤔 either tied or let loose.

[@jiminverse3827]

It is because liz got weight, in debut and love dive she was 3 in popularity and she still is but since she got weight

[@lydiawahlang5637]

No matter what happened Liz will always be my fav

[@kayubakar1127]

why people surprise of ive? Its basically woonyoung (and sometimes yujin) and friends. I dont even remember the rest of the members name, even their face its hard to distinguish. It’s because the company favor the ex izone much than the others

[@nad0862]

What's with the Woonyoung obssession tho ??? I don't get what's with the hype around her...there are way more talented idols out there, she has not that much charisma and isn't that beautiful from, not hating it's just my opinion I just don't get it.

[@jjba3571]

Speak for yourself, i hate that company pushing woonyoung IN YOUR FACE when there is nothing special in her , face facial expression in all stages ... nice but not oustanding performance and mid to mediocre live singing While i sas leeseo and she caught the attention SO HARD for that eye close up, and even LIZ talent cauh people attention, i was caught by her coolblonde hair and voice ... then suddenly neither leeseo or liz got camers time ....uhmmmmmmm, idotn know but someone is puching woon in the shadows, thats why she won #1 instead of sakura qhen many peop,e love sakura more and sakura group is so well distributed ... all have same air time, center time and almost equal line distribution, they got popular too.... i think if ive comtinue like this would be a huge fail

[@ishannaa]

bruh even if i got tuned into ive because of yujin & wonyoung (wizone here hehe) when starshit dropped liz’s photos i adored her immediately and her voice is just so beautiful ! it’s so dumb that starshit isn’t giving her the recognition that she should have all cuz of her looks even if she looked completely healthy !

[@mans5676]

1. I mean People do realise gp999 is a global show and Xiaoting was actually one if the most popular candidates and was first for most of the episodes. This shows how many people recognize her talents. I mean we can't say at the end of the day who actually deserved first place as People chase behind the most popular and get trapped by mnet's evil editing and again the final voting system gave 50% priority to korean voters which isn't fair as there were 33 contestants from 3 different nations participating. Even china and japan votes should have been given the same priority. This voting system is what made Chae Hyun got first place. Otherwise bahiyyih would have gotten first place. WIth a voting system like this how would you know who is the person who actually deserves to be a center. And Xiaoting should have been in the Top3 position considering how talented she is. She barely making it into the line up shows how f*cked up the voting system is .And Again center position for each song should be given based on who fits the concept more. Like ITZY's ending center keeps changing. And everyone in Kep1er can actually pull it off. 2. I mean Liz should have been given more lines in chorus. And her treatment by her agency is horrible. I mean without her IVE's vocal line will be weak. They better treat her well 3. I mean like Why Giselle. And why SM makes it so obvious 4. I mean why SM does this to their own artists. In this era this is so unacceptable

[@callistazaraaurelia5609]

I don’t trust companies, because some day they will do something terrible to their employees or artists

[@lily-wg9zv]

But the fact that Giselle was edited out of the picture in Japan, her home country...

[@alchemist1588]

Do these companies not realize that when you neglect your idols they find it hard to gain confidence and motivation which makes it twice as hard to shine within the group. It's wrong to treat another human being that way but it's also bad for business. When your employees are not happy it means their motivation to excel in their career and the opportunity grow your company dwindles.

[@mixxpink]

I love you Liz even if no one love you your most talented girl in Ive ❤️

[@ashelyperledushimebuzingo6861]

I started stanning NCT127 because of yuta 💚 i don't get why SM do this to their idols I get pissed off

[@JiaPia3]

Same. He actually became my bias. I’m gonna watch it again because I didn’t think he was being mistreated. I think they might be gearing up to make him the leader of NCT Tokyo, or, at the least, he’ll probably play a huge role in training the new subunit.

[@JiaPia3]

Ah, it’s the pics and the neglect. Not okay. Did he make someone mad? He used to get great treatment before.

[@ashelyperledushimebuzingo6861]

@@JiaPia3 SM is trash Also renjun and winwin are mistreated

[@suyeesia7770]

Me too

[@suyeesia7770]

@@JiaPia3 how do you know

[@ae_delle7394]

Liz featured in Singles magazine for December 2022 issued. Please have a check. And also Liz is camera shy, that's why she is not the ending fairy yet.

[@artofwar8520]

ending fairy also depends on the show/network and performance, not by starship. this channel needs a fact check. now that liz is back to her bubbly self; they even gave her a piano solo performance for IVE's Eleven in MMA and it's breathtaking.

[@ae_delle7394]

@@artofwar8520 yes you right. Even magazines , youtube tumbnail n ending fairy is out of starship jurisdiction. They used to blame starship for giving wonyoung too much thumbnail but that depends on cable networks PD or editor not starship. I think they just want to throw ive n starship under the bus just bcz ive is not from the big 3 n starship is an underdog for having successful gg at this scale.

[@RobertskyPeachmann]

Justice for Liz and Giselle 💖💝 During Both there Debut Era (Eleven and Black Mamba), they Both Caught my Attention First and it's making me Sad that they don't get the Recognition they Deserve 😭💔

[@dreamy_mary]

the whole "center' debate is stupid in my opinion. it's much better when everyone in the group has opportunity to shine. also in case with Chaehyun, while she had a beautiful voice, she lacks charisma and stage presence in comparison with other Kep1er girls. they're all very yough but there is no doubt that there other girls who get fan's attention, and since Kep1er's time is short, they need to do everything to get the group's name out there as soon as possible

[@tammythrillz9952]

If Chaehyun fans are complaining what should Bahiyyih stans do??

[@Arishaimran1]

exactly my point

[@Mimi-bm6jo]

What do you mean? Bahiyyih's stans are always complaining about something, she doesn't get many lines/screen time and they act like it's the end of the world. It's very unfair for her to be mistreated this way but Chaehyun was promised, by winning first place, something (toto be the center) that she's not getting, Bahiyyih got second place but nothing was promised to her, both of them are one's of weakest rappers in the group, and the group quite focus a lot on rap, they're both on the weaker side in dancing but Chaehyun is by far the best vocalist in the group, so comparing their lines (singing lines) is not fair at all to Chaehyun, it's the least that the company can do after taking away from her her center position.

[@Kpop-c5o]

Chaehyun fans complaining is valid tho. Chaehyun is the official center but isn't treated as a center. Dayeon and Xiaoting are treated more as centers than her.

[@notpregnant]

y’all bought nothing so wdc about her fans. chaehyun fandom is profitable and they always bought a lot of albums

[@kpoplove3407]

Chaehyun is talented unlike Bahopeless

[@xie0092]

I think that in Giselle case its obvious many Korean sites blurred her out because she was the only member wearing a black mask and only the staff members were wearing black masks (no hate to anyone just my opinion , hate comments will be reported 'THANKYOU')

[@honey3693]

The 2nd girl from IVE is seriously good looking almost have the potential like V. It's a shame they didn't use her advantage properly.

[@Kayla-Rose]

5:03 this is stupid- I mean, even before and after her weight gain, Liz was eyecatching to me. I didn't even NOTICE that she gained wait until the public pointed it out so damn much

[@JoneOfBark]

The way these idols are treated just shows that their company see them as nothing more than a product to use, abuse and make them money or they would have corrected the way they treat them. If fans want them to be treated better then stop giving them your money, because that is the only way they will get the message because money is the only language they understand.

[@murpbe9086]

It's sad to see that not stopping any sooner. In Kepler's case, I don't think I would be happy with Xiaoting being favored more than the official center Chaehyun just because she has more visual. It is no longer about the talent anymore, but what's the most profitable they can do.

[@annewint]

Visual shouldn't matter. Talent is what is needed for a perfect idol

[@bluey3538]

I read a comment from someone which makes sense and i agree. Let me try to rephrase that comment. Visual matters alongside performing ability because if you have good songs and good performances but lack in visual it doesn't necessarily sales better. Idols are not vocalist, they are performers, entertainer, they need to be at least visually pleasing to ppl. Complete package. Also majority of target audiences are teenagers, who are usually at the stage where they care more about looks

[@JC-qg5di]

sadly korea is all about looks..they still have a long way to go

[@nicky2416]

For chaehyun I understand that she is 1st on 999 gplanet rank… but imo she doesn’t suit center position, xt is better in that pov and wake one knows that… + kep1er doesn’t have a strong vocalist line, so Chaehyun has to carry with Youngeun, if Chaehyun was center than Kep1er would be 80% chaehyun and 20% the others

[@nabi5864]

It's actually the public that determines the marketability of each individual member....Bottom line is profit and money AND it's a fierce popularity contest as well These K-Ent companies all have marketing teams that crunch numbers and data , and will utilize and market each members accordingly... And then when the fans notice, they will again take it into account and adjust accordingly ...It's always been like this with all groups and bands

[@MoonxChildxInphy]

It would make sense Liz is unfavored for her weight gain considering won young is severely underweight. Starship is clearly torturing their girls

[@Akuma9_9]

In my opinion the most mistreatd memeber by the company in kep1er is yeseo bahiyyih and mashiro they always get least line and least screen time

[@anuabraham660]

It's funny because I came to discover about Ive because of the debut photo of LIZ. Despite being a kpop fan for more than 6 years, I didn't know that Wonyoung was THAT popular. (Probably because I wasn't an izone fan) Liz drew me towards Ive and I didn't even realise that Wonyoung and Yujin was in the same group as her until I saw the Eleven m/v. It's sad to see her being mistreated like this. I'm not a fan of ive but I will always support Liz.

[@schlagsahne394]

i never thought that chaehyun was underappreciated... it doesn't help that there are other members that are more underappreciated as much or even more than chaehyun...

[@AllenChibi]

Giselle : Mmm everybody look at me SM : Nope Me : still looking at Aeri because she shines in my eyes

[@randomsheep1165]

1:57 I mean if I were Chaehyun I would be happy that my company isn't kiing my hair with constant hair dye treatments😂

[@katiesto3877]

I was never really satisfied with the treatment of Kpop Idols these days especially Gen4 Idols. There is always a "black sheep" in the group, that gets a different low treatment. Hope that changes cuz this can end bad.

[@remuspierre]

Awesome stuff

[@karmaber]

the first was a bit of a reach. No matter who crowns you as the "Center", if the audience doesn't feel your presence on stage then you will be forgotten easily. Simple as that 🤷

[@AnitaKumari-bs7oe]

So sad that companies are discriminating between idols😫😓

[@angels_diary]

why do idols work their butt off to debut just only to get mistreated?? this is so disgusting.

[@Eat_and_Live17]

The thing about aespa is.... in Korea (their biggest fanbase) aespa is all about Karina and Winter , and In Japan 70% of Mys are Winter fan and in Chinese market Karina dominates sales follow by Ningning, And in most other asian countries Karina is the most popular member While Ningning is the most popular in Western countries... Giselle come last or Second last in most countries when it comes to demand , especially in Korea their biggest fanbase.. so it kinda make sense because A kpop company is just a business afterall, if you are in demand the treatment is better

[@JC-qg5di]

but but..they're purposely leaving her out as if she's not part of the group..

[@pratyushpavansaikia8161]

Although I don't support those but if I see it as an investor it makes sense

[@onalenna2383]

low-key agree with u I mean if fans ware not obsessed about visuals most comp would've never treated idols like this

[@kadi_gnigue]

OK liz part is fucking alarming i'm not a stan of ive but wtf she was really a stan attractor at their debut stage just like wony they're doing her dirty because of SOME WEIGHT GAIN ? Oh man kpop is reall fucked up it's disgusting they worked so hard for THIS ?? this is just so sad! ps : giselle maybe because of the controversies but nobody deserve this is their hard work after all. ps : for chaehyun it's just center wise but she is well promoted she is a mc and she has the main vocal part so it's not a big deal for her I think hiyyih is the one who's really mistreated she goes viral for not having any vocal part in we fresh too. she's so popular but wake one is trying to make her dirty people thinks she can't sing (she made a cover if you want to hear her real voice) but this is a temporared group so they need to be promoted she is trying to do it herself since wake one is a shit company ps : yuta idk him but he looks so good so i don't understand why he's left out sm is really making them dirty it's sad

[@allowmetowander5511]

In the world where le sserafim exist, starship's idea about using their two 'only' popular member as their only face is not acceptable

[@ccsbm208]

Lsf are also a hybe group they have a huge advantage compared to ive. Plus the other members are constantly doing activities to build their own brand because unlike wy and yj, they don’t have 4 years worth of experience and networking. Also, contrary to popular belief the members are actually very successful for rookies from a mid-tier company.

[@maximoreds]

Kpop is slowly turning into a "visual and lipsyncing singers" that notice that turning into models is more profitable 📈

[@gabdongipark]

Stan Ateeeeeez haha

[@nad0862]

Not really, some companies are more into talent but others like SM are well known for putting looks at the center of their priorities.

[@fightfannerd2078]

Kpop has always been like that but some 2nd gen idols can actually sing

[@gabdongipark]

@@nad0862 but even rappers can sing

[@allanmhanson]

Omg... kep1er has like 2 singers and they mistreat them... I perfectly remembers the survival show when they dismissed all the true singers to keep beautiful visuals who couldn't even sing... It's ridiculous to have a group with 5 visuals with no voice relying completely on autotune. If you have 2 people who can SING at least treat them fairly...

[@riizediary]

you forgot renjun and winwin (also most of foreigner members)

[@BLINKCHILLIN]

Liz is the only good vocalist in Ive and she’s being ignored and sent hate all because she gained some weight? And on top of that it’s not even noticeable. Like, why do they even care as long as she CAN SING because that’s literally her job

[@ytuseracct]

Liz is actually one of the best looking in IVE

[@KPOP_NATION618]

Yuta is just absolutely gorgeous 😍

[@Kpop_LineDistribution]

Idols are people too it's to sad that other fans treat the idols like an animal 😭

[@jwlion]

to say Chaehyun is overshadowed and Xiaoting is being pushed more is crazy…

[@drei1641]

Got into IVE because of Wonyoung but stayed because of LIZ. Hope she'll get the love she deserves. So underrated Queen.

[@Uzulala]

Sadly, Liz has the amazing voice and also sing best in Ive, but I don’t know why company push up only Wonyoung and Yujin so much even these 2 girls not sing live well like Liz. Seriously I think Liz is the most beautiful in Ive and also the most talent too. She should get better chance in another company, this is unfair.

[@krad8553]

At least chaeyeon have lines in the song as she is the main vocalist . However xiaoting got no line and she is among the members who get least line in the group.Also, she suit more center than chaeyeon .

[@Romyjohn14]

Mashiro got the least line and even though Xiaoting have the least line her line are more iconic

[@moa-mum9486]

I think chaehyun is being treated well by company ..i think bahiyyih should be one on this list like she is sub vocal but never get fair line but dayeon is in rapping position and get most line in each n every song and also in ive wonyoung ang yujin get all the spotlight then other members which is really sad

[@coffeetae]

Kep1er is a whole mess actually. I don't know why they would make a group with 9 members if they always give the majority of lines and center to the same 3 members regardless of rankings.

[@mineheartgoc-ong9189]

For me I prefer xiaoting as center in kep1ee but I'm not saying that chaeyhun is a bad center . When Kep1er is performing Chaeyhun/Kep1er center is overshined by Xiaoting , Dayeon , Hikaru .

[@_GunpowdertheGabite]

The problem with Kep1er is that WakeOne and Mnet vision for the group was determined way before the show and the group was made. And unfortunately since the voting isn't rigged. It didn't turn out like they wanted.

[@Kayy3020]

It's like these companies think people won't notice. It's disgusting.

[@shottokekki6853]

5:35 song name in the background?

[@kheii3503]

Can't believe that my bias Yuta still gets this kind of treatment. He could be so much popular if the company wouldn't hate him cause I find him so nice, funny, cute/handsome and very talented. It's sad to know that he is aware of how SM treats him and has to just bare with it. Also with Giselle, like wtf she is amazing but at this point I feel like aespa is slowly turning into a 3 member girl group 💀

[@wonysss0831]

wakeone is definitely not making chaehyun disappear. (literally why would they, chaehyun is literally the only member under wakeone in kep1er) xiaoting just suits the center position more (better stage presence & suits the concepts more) + she’s the visual & one of the most popular members. naturally she would get pushed more than the other members. chaehyun gets decent lines, decent screentime & more. also for the hair, she’s probably just letting her hair heal after dying it pink & blonde in just a few months. (which probably needs a lot of bleaching which severely damages the hair)

[@asareirene]

Chaehyun and Dayeon actually

[@asareirene]

The hair is just stupid. When was the last time Wonyoung dyed her hair? Has she ever dyed her hair? Nayeon of twice is one of the twice members who until this year, had rarely dyed her hair. In fact, before this year, Nayeon had only ever had brown or black hair in different shades and lengths. Yet these 2 are probably the most prominent centres in South Korea

[@nicoleloss7987]

Some companies need to do better in treating all their groups and idols the same.

[@itsmenotyou5911]

tbh , i dont see a big deal between wake1 and chaehyun. i would disagree with wat u say because if u dig it more deeply u can find alot of moment where chaehyun stand and sit in the center . And to say that wake1 give xioating more center ,, i definitely recommend u to watch other kep1er video where chaehyun always sit in the center during vlive or sit interview and even if other member sit in different position like the vlive where they all use purple outfit. its clearly wake1 do favour chaehyun more. u can clearly see in their we fresh mv where they even book more upgrade scene for chaehyun.

[@julesfoury9240]

6:04 how is it possible ??? they never saw her face ?

[@anjaliwarbhuvan8263]

3:37 okay frankly speaking maybe they are doing biases in group like you can see the most lyrics lines distributed is to wonyoung. Why do l I feel like they aren't treating well with other members. The company do some corrections here-

[@vinodmahala8345]

' lizzuu ' got me

[@mattlau95]

fans are complaining that Chaehyun has "ONLY 4" center position spots in the MV? lol

[@julesfoury9240]

3:38 eh no Gaeul didn't sing it... she sang prechorus and verse 2