Science vs The Last Jedi “Plot Holes”

[@becausescience]

I had a lot of fun with this one (obviously). I know this will be controversial -- I try my best but don't have time to include every possible permutation of every argument. It's more about orbiting a main planet of education for me. Thanks for watching and for all the great comments! I'll be addressing the Yoda example with Newton's third, the artificial gravity in the bombers, and how The Force might work in 4/3's vlog. -- KH

[@na.meless]

As always great content Kyle. If you could, can you please answer this question? how much energy dos the big red spot output (by however timeframe that you want)

[@Helicondrummer]

It was a lot of fun watching this one. I laughed more at your shenanigans in this video than in most. It had a perfect mix of comedy and science, great work!

[@AnimeVampire234]

on the topic of the force being used to pull leia and her breath takin into account there is a force power that can explain why she was able to stay concious but this force power has been in the comics and games. force breath, but the only thing that counters that assumtion is the fact she wasn't up and walking around right away after returning to the ship and if she were to use that force power it would of not had any negative reactions when she was back on board. Rip all those really cool force powers we'll never actually see in the movies.

[@robinthrush9672]

Although Paige Tico was still actively dropping those bombs in a vacuum. And the Force telekinesis has never been shown to have an equal and opposite reaction. Examples showing no effect are large objects in Yoda's fights with Dooku and Sidious in Clone Wars and Revenge of the Sith. And Force Unleashed is technically canon with moving a Star Destroyer/crushing ATATs. But, yes, none of these are plot holes, they're immersion breakers/canon issues.

[@nizzidramanytt]

I very much so enjoyed this video and also the fact that even though we were discussing the movie it was near spoiler free

[@R_C_Parker_]

The biggest 'plot hole'' with leia is that there is ONE door between space and the ship so how would they get her in without jettisoning themselves out into space.

[@mplumley95]

It kind of looked like she was in a small connecting hallway. Maybe a door or force field closed behind her just out of frame?

[@ironstrider7659]

Darth Batman nope it had a shield

[@Playhouse76]

There isn't. There are actually two doors, one on the bridge side of the airlock tunnel, one on the hallway side. You can see her pass the bridge one as she enters the tunnel. They admittedly don't show it on screen, but the assumption is the bridge door was closed to pressurize the airlock and then the hallway door was opened. How the novelization describes it: "Leia reached out with her senses. She was surrounded by the remains of battle-but thin traceries of life remained around her, generated by the tiny microorganisms that lived, undetected, on and in bodies and even in the air. Their Force energy was ebbing, dying out or growing dormant, but she could sense that it formed a tenuous ladder back to the warship behind her. "Leia asked the Force to help her ascend that ladder and return to the broken bridge. Where, faintly, she could see Resistance crewers gathered at an air lock. Even as her senses dimmed, her body rose toward the gaping maw of the shattered bridge. It slid through the wreckage and into the lock. Leia’s fingers brushed the viewport, and the outer hatch closed. "Then the inner door opened, flooding the narrow space with light and air and life. Faintly, as if from a great distance, she heard contradictory commands and agonized questions surrounding her. The Force was bright and spiky with fear."

[@HufflepuffDaddy]

@@Playhouse76 So all that description in the novel but that amateur Rian Johnson couldn't show 1-second of the other airlock door closing shut behind Leia? The silly Luke-drinks-green-milk scene got more time on-screen.

[@ethansmith8463]

Clearly someone saw HISHE's video on the movie...

[@siva2727]

May the product of mass and acceleration be with you

[@erbgorre]

and may your neutrons never lose speed

[@rewrose2838]

Damn that sounds too good to not be used in the movies XD

[@meloD30]

C'mon, that's a Tee right there! Also GRAVITY NEVER STOPS

[@13KuriMaster]

That deserves a like. :)

[@moisesmartinezmorales5885]

Nice

[@kyloren325]

I know why the ship slows down Because there is resistance on the ship!

[@perezo27]

You are dad, aren't you?

[@at-hl3ij]

Good pun... Reeeeeeee

[@Attaxalotl]

That is *A M A Z I N G*

[@guerillagorilla4423]

Ehhehhahaa

[@scifidino5022]

This was absolutely brilliant! XD

[@mathewswenson4108]

I'm a fairly new viewer. "Thank you so much for watching, Mathew." definitely caught me off guard.

[@krissisk4163]

Of all the problems I had with The Last Jedi, these weren't them.

[@DNephilim]

lol ikr like these are the most insignificant inconsistencies about the film

[@lanceresultay014]

Last Jedi is an insult to thinking audience.

[@jackalope2302]

Kris Sisk Bad science didn't kill TLJ, it was bad fiction.

[@mariusweber4990]

It would've been fun to see some science on how unlikely it was for Rey to master the force and light saber techniques in such a short time based on Star Wars lore and real world martial arts training statistics. Or some analysis of the admiral's sacrifice to destroy the main enemy ship, would that even work etc!

[@nathans5347]

I’m just pissed that the film wasted my time with Canto Bight - and tried to tell me that Holdo was a good leader. I actually liked all the Luke, Kylo, and Rey stuff.

[@affinityforanime]

When it comes to The Force, "size matters not."

[@2_screwz_loose984]

DOAMA great now I’m jealous of Yoda for TWO reasons

[@Endlessvoidsutidos]

but not when it comes to your mom

[@thejeffbot]

She moves the universe towards her

[@CJ-442]

For Plothole #2, Newton’s 1st Law would still explain it even if they weren’t near a planet. The artificial gravity in the ship would get the bombs moving and would then continue in moving in a straight line towards the dreadnaught even out in space after its left the artificial gravity of the bomber. That being said, it’s still a REALLY bad design for a bomber in a sci-fi universe. Seriously, just use missiles. I get it, the director really wanted it to seem like a WW2 battle. But it was just painful watching such a low tech weapons system being put on a spaceship capable of going faster than the speed of light.

[@owenbevt3]

well just like in the real WW2 the resistance movements didn't have first choice of the ideal weaponry.

[@coryzilligen790]

owenbevt3: That's not even a case of "less-than-ideal" weaponry, though. It's more of a case of "who even thought this was a good enough idea to produce in the first place?" weaponry. This is a setting with ancient spacefaring civilizations that have *LONG* since devised far more efficient methods of combat. There just isn't any reason for something this comparatively primitive to exist without any sort of explanation given. Given what we see in the movie, I can't imagine a usage case for those bombers that *DOESN'T* end with the bombers being destroyed with comparatively little damage dealt to the opposing side. Heck, they'd probably be equally, if not more, effective as explosive rams than they are as bombers.

[@danielsilvers2896]

B-Wing bombers have been a thing in Star Wars since the early days. Your criticism has merit, and maybe they should never have been things in the first place. But it's not something RJ pulled out of his asshole.

[@coryzilligen790]

B-Wings were capable of delivering torpedo-like charges from a distance, had light weaponry for taking on enemy fighters, and were at least agile enough that the term "sitting ducks" could not be fairly applied to them. From what we saw, the TLJ bombers had to be practically within spitting distance of their bombing target, had essentially no anti-fighter weaponry (seriously, they have one ball turret, and it is facing *behind* the bomber in such a way that it cannot shoot forwards... _really_ useful positioning for it... I rewatched the scene and did not see *any* other fire coming from the bombers), and they were *far* slower. Even if you wish to argue that they were designed around delivering a much heavier payload than the B-Wings... that's completely irrelevant if they are so defenseless that the only way for them to feasibly reach the target is for your side to have overwhelming superiority over the combat space (at which point, who even needs heavy bombers like that?). As I said before, there just doesn't seem to be any realistic usage case for those bombers -- you would either want a lighter bomber that can more easily defend itself (like a B-Wing or a Y-Wing), or you would have such complete control of the battlefield that you wouldn't need a specialized bomber. The potential uses for such a easily-countered ship design are so incredibly narrow and rare that no sane military would ever choose to use them, and therefore no company would ever bother to make them. There's just no reason for them to be around. And you know what the worst part is? I had double-checked Wookiepedia prior to posting this, and discovered that it is actually canon within Disney Star Wars that the Resistance had "B-Wing Mark IIs" (B-Wings with slightly different armament) during the time period of The Force Awakens. So there's even LESS reason for the TLJ bombers to exist.

[@Blutwind]

Honestly the bombers themself were okay but not in that instance. Most shields in SW can either block energy or kinetic weapons in the later sense they often let things pass through if slow enought thats espacialy true for base shields as ha total shield would also block new oxygen entering the perimeter and a sieg would sufforcate base personal sooner then later. If the bombs now are strudy enough they could be droped on the shield without exploding they would slow down enought to pass the shield and wreak havoc below

[@OrneryPotato]

Wouldn't Yoda sink into the mud trying to lift an xwing?

[@davindeptuck7905]

LOL

[@NyanBinary1066]

Plot armor

[@insertdeadmeme]

He can use his force on the planet so he doesn't sink into the mud. Poor Yoda would get his bones crushed though (depending on where to force is applied) but I know he can pull this off because the force is with him

[@guitarlover1204]

not really, since the x-wing was experiencing a thrust upwards, so the force would be applied on the ground, not on himself, kinda like a helicopter

[@Neceros]

Nah, because the Force doesn't use science, and isn't actually a force as defined by physics. In many of the books, and especially in the movies, it wasn't a physical reaction causing the thing to move towards them, but an inner-spiritual type of force being applied by the mind and energy of the Jedi. There's absolutely no backwards reaction from using the Force to move an object, like there is in physics.

[@torjones1701]

i agree that those plot holes aren't plot holes. The plot hole that is that annoys me is the hyperspace ram, because in episode 7 they establish that you can jump to hyperspace from real space nearly instantly as demonstrated by Han Solo jumping to hyperspace from within a cargo bay. This annoys me because in one movie they say it works one way, and in the next movie it works a different way. I believe that that is the very definition of "Plot Hole." Fantastic scene, visually incredible, huge plot hole.

[@christiandauz3742]

If Hyperspace Ramming was canon (which is not because Last Jedi is not canon) then the entire Star Wars Saga would be much different Anakin, Obi-wan, Padme, Darth Maul and everyone else on Naboo would be dead (Because the Trade Federation use FTL Ramming to destroy the planet) THAT ALONE would have change the storyline drastically!

[@UCanGetWitThisOrUCanGetWitThat]

Christian Dauz how is The Last Jedi not cannon?

[@jarink1]

Plot hole is the whole premise behind space chase itself, because there's nothing preventing some of the First Order shops from jumping ahead of the Rebel fleet to cut them off.

[@torjones1701]

While i suspect (and hope) that it will be retconned due to just how awful the movie was, rather like that Christmas thing, it is none the less canon at the moment, much though I am loath to admit it.

[@Luca-uz8pm]

Christian Dauz The Hyperspace ram wouldn't have worked in many situations because: 1. Hyperdrive Generators are very expensive (as said in Episode I), so that would be a massive waste because there are just gone after such an attack 2. The damage wouldn't be so big. You must keep in mind that the ship that is used in the last jedi is the biggest that the resistance had and the rebel alliance didn't have bigger ships and the damage wasn't even enough to completely destroy snoke's ship, so a hyperspace ram against a planet or the death star would be like a fly would hit you

[@askalon4558]

Why wouldn't the bombs just be shot "downward"? It would keep being effective further from planets, and there seems to be a rail system that could propel them.

[@knockoffterminator2718]

The ship already had its own artificial gravity so the bombs dropped using that gravity then kept its momentum and just kept going

[@Crusender]

What you talking is a canon whit explosive shell, they will not be call bomb...

[@meanopenquino9802]

I literally just said an extremely similar thing above, before I scrolled down the comment section.

[@TerrapinTerror195]

Aska Lon why wouldn't each individual munition have it's own tracking capability like we have on Earth. In fact for space combat each munition should have it's own guided propulsion system.

[@ejdLB]

I don't know what he was talking about here. This is from the novel and other "canon" sources. "The B/SF-17's intended purpose was to deliver a payload of 1,048 proton bombs on top of a target. The modular bombing magazine, called the "clip" by the bomber's crew, would drop the bombs through sequenced electromagnetic plates in the clip, which propelled the bombs to "drop" in microgravity environments. The bombs would then be drawn magnetically to their targets."

[@gueto70]

If "the force" applies a equal and opposite force pulling her to the ship, how was luke not crushed when he lifted his ship out of the swamp? Upward force to overcome inertia (at rest),the covalent bond of the mud,plus the gravitational pull on the ship would easily crush the young jedi. Somehow the answer must be Yoda!

[@thatpunkcatte]

Because you also have to take into account someone's 'strength with the force', which isn't something you can really calculate but is something we see in Star Wars. Take Starkiller and how much strain and how he was compressing himself inward as he was pulling down the Star Destroyer as an example.

[@HPTOperator]

Luke wasn't crushed because he didn't skip leg day.

[@-cookiezila-461]

Because he is not directly pulling/pushing the ship. The opposite force is applied to the air around the ship(I think). Take it with a grain of salt as I’m not a scientist of any kind

[@ApoJake13]

Here's a "plot hole" I just thought of as I watched this: How can anything be "out of range" for a weapon in space? I guess you could say that the targets could maneuver to avoid being hit, but that seems unlikely, given the velocity of the projectiles being fired. Follow up to this: Why do the projectiles have an "ark"? But I digress...

[@marcelsevigny4957]

Considering that most of the weapons are lasers, in other words, lights, you're totally right that most of the time, anything can't be out of the range. But for the same reason, that bombs are failing downward, gravity can bend light, and then, as gravitational lensing, experiencing curvy trajectory. In fact, something as massive as the Sun is enough to visually experiencing this bending light effect.

[@giggityguy]

Since most weapons in the Star Wars universe are plasma based, they would presumably lose energy as they travel great distances. At a certain distance, they would no longer have enough energy to be effective as weapons, which is kind of what they say in the movie.

[@andrewmoore7014]

It's also possible that they just can't reliably hit anything at that range.

[@Ichsukatanuka]

Bc energy dissipates... so if somethings so far away, it could have no impact by the time it hits.

[@andrewmoore7014]

What force would be acting to dissipate the energy?

[@LocalMaple]

For 3, I’d disagree. Jedi have lifted and even stopped masses their own bodies couldn’t handle directly. Yoda stopping the pillar in Episode 2 and lifting the X-Wing in 5, Force Unleashed crashing a fully functional Star Destroyer... However, we know the Force can act like a detached hand for telekineses, and we have seen Jedi use the Force on themselves to give them higher jumps. Why can’t they simply grab themselves or their clothes (like Magneto) to drag themselves through space? And could Leia also grab some spaced oxygen (or the oxygen within her, or the oxygen surrounding her pre-explosion) to give herself better odds? Unless there was the airlock force field (which has a distinctive light to it) within that door, or it was a double door sealing room, opening it for Leia to enter would cause decompression UNLESS Leia had the power to create force field/bubbles to trap air.

[@theakenshtone6757]

This may be possible for more experienced Jedi, but remember Leia is not trained, so she probably wouldn't have the skill to do this.

[@LocalMaple]

The Akenshtone We ASSUME Leah wasn’t trained. At all. In the 30 years since the end of Episode 6 (4 ABY to 34 ABY). That’s a tall order.

[@urbanizer7467]

When it comes to moving those massive objects it appeared that the Jedi or other Force users in question really struggled with moving them. They appear to be struggling just like lifting a heavy object with your own muscles.

[@theakenshtone6757]

That is true, but remember she was probably more focused on rebuilding the republic. Her skills were in democracy and politics, in addition to being a badass, so I think she would have focused on that then train as a Jedi.

[@theakenshtone6757]

+Rising Horizon Gaming You are right that even untrained force users can use basic abilities. And I am not saying Leia wouldn't be able to do what she did as explained by Kyle. But I don't think she would be able to pull the very small amounts of oxygen in space to her. That seems a lot harder than the basic abilities.

[@galloviking4766]

1) Ships don't slow down, they stop accelerating. 2) You can kick the bomb out or make it magnetic I guess? 3) MAGIC

[@alexanderbaca618]

GalloViking also there is obviously some form of artificial gravity inside the bombers so the bombs accelerate before they r actually in 0 g

[@heisselnicholaspramoedya8121]

Even tho they stop accelerating they would keep moving bcs there is zero resistence in space

[@Richard_Nickerson]

@@heisselnicholaspramoedya8121 But if the ships behind them continued to accelerate after they stopped accelerating?

[@wyoboy01]

@@Richard_Nickerson They were going their top speed short of hyperspace. There was no more accelerating.

[@Richard_Nickerson]

@@wyoboy01 Is that specified? I haven't seen it since it was in theaters.

[@joshlindsey945]

I like to imagine Kyle is probably alone in a basement or something when he records these

[@johnharwick1330]

He is king Chad of the basement dwellers

[@aronnemcsik]

he is not actually. there's a video where they show the set...

[@kalengray4073]

Your all wrong. He's in the void.

[@Zeknif1]

My big issue with the bomber scene wasn't that the bombs were being dropped... it was that they weren't angling the ship to "launch" the bombs at the Dreadnought from a safer distance... hell, it would be more effective to set them up in a proper launcher, such as a railgun of some sort. Also, their formation was too tight given the power and arrangement of their ordinance.

[@antonym916]

Oh! The sacred texts! I died 😂😂😂

[@IronWarhorsesFun]

COMMENCE THE JEDI JIHAD!

[@aronnemcsik]

@@IronWarhorsesFun Deus Vults!

[@IronWarhorsesFun]

@@aronnemcsik I USE MY LIGHTSABBRE TO CUT INTO THE VAULT.

[@darkwazp]

If you follow the logic that the Force applies an equal and opposite 'force' on the user, then at the end of the movie Rey would be under extreme stress lifting all those boulders.

[@ragecactus454]

Virtuosoman Yes like when Yoda is fighting the Senate in the Senate. To pull one of the disk chairs would take tremendous force. If the only thing preventing Yoda from being pulled is friction, then Yoda would have to apply a different force downward on himself to increase the friction to a point that he is unmoved. Kyle can do the math on this, but with a small surface area of feet and a skeleton not meant to support too much weight, I could see it going badly for force users.

[@danielyoung3523]

Unless if you consider they are applying the force against an object other than themselves, such as the ground. Since the force is all around them, they should be able to do this.

[@ilovethelegend]

That's a good point; that could also make it so that "Strength in the force" is more like "Area of Influence"; like, the force under Yoda's command isn't any stronger than Luke's; he's just able to form it into a bigger lever.

[@tdogger73]

There are multiple instances in the movies where Force users run fast, jump super high, or land from a great height that would ordinarily kill a person. They are using the force upon their own bodies. Why is it so hard for people to accept someone "pulling" themselves in the weightlessness of space. The scene was corny for multiple reasons, but the physical act never bothered me.

[@darkwazp]

I have no issues with the Leia scene, however Kyle's explanation leads to funny conclusions. Does Rey also have to reinforce the ground beneath her to avoid sinking in?

[@trygveplaustrum4634]

2:56 Then why did the ship rotate and accelerate in a completely different direction, as if it was rotating? 6:16 Sure, but the planet was in a completely different direction from the direction of the dropping bombs.

[@matejchlan9855]

1. Have you ever played space engineers? There your spaceship has "bumpers" and those are stabilizating your spaceship. That means if you have them turned off and start turning you will turn forever so you have to turn them on and AI starts to stop your ships movement by using engines in opposite direction. So maybye they are always stabilizating their ship direction and when the engines stopped, stabilizators stopped and ship was rotating. 2. There could be some dropping mechanism that pushed bombs down.

[@darthcerebus]

^^^ 1. It is highly possible that some engines shut down first, and the power of the engines that were still on were enough to rotate the ship, but not alter the angle of trajectory, causing the spin, but still going forward. 2. THere's no way the resistance would use already dangerous ships without a way to keep the giant payload going exactly where it's supposed to in the emptiness of space. So Matěj is right.

[@Marc91weinheimer]

"2. There could be some dropping mechanism that pushed bombs down." That doesn't really change/debunk (?) his argument.. since after the dropping mechanism pushed down the bombs they wouldn't be in a constant velocity towards their aim, because the gravity of the planet would kick in and distract (?) the bombs from their path. It could only work if the gravitation force from the planet to both of the ships are in exact alignment with each other. And for that i don't remember the movie good enough... luckily :D

[@Marc91weinheimer]

7:12 and the even bigger "plot hole" is actually more that nobody got sucked out of the ship when the door opened for Leia. Plus there is a little inconsistency with the Star Wars intern "logic": Palpatine was killed by Vader in the sixth part by "throwing" him into space why couldn't he pull himself bakc up? He seems to be one of the most powerfull villains of all sagas combined, if Leia with no training could pull herself back to the ship there is no really explaination why Palpatin couldn't do it

[@Marc91weinheimer]

7:12 and another "plot hole" is that she survived the blast that shot her into space in the first place, while everyone else was dead immediately, the movie is full of nonesense!

[@hollow636]

Okay so couldn't the bombs continuing to fall just because of the velocity of them falling while in the ship. When they leave the gravitational field wouldn't they just keep going? It's not like they suddenly hit something that absorbed their momentum or deflected them.

[@BubbleDrake]

But in the movie they do seem to accelerate even when they have left the ship and presumably the ship's artificial gravity, right? If it was just the momentum of them falling inside the ship's gravity, they wouldn't accelerate any more outside of it, but they appear to do so, and they would need some force acting on them

[@arctroopernull8733]

hollow636 thank you I’ve been saying this for ages but people are stupid.

[@tuckerdoolan8830]

I actually like this much better than the vids explanation, thanks!

[@MrSeals1000]

I believe it was said somewhere that the bombs weren't just falling, they were propelled out of the ship. But yeah, even then... The ships artificial gravity would drag them down, then the moment they entered space, they would continue with their forward and downwards velocities.

[@jthompson8177]

Wouldn't the bombs at the top of the rack however fall faster than those at the bottom since they were within the ships artificial gravity for longer? I don't think they would have enough time to all equal the same acceleration before being ejected from the ship

[@isbimperialsecuritybureau2192]

I thought he would talk about the kamikaze attack or how Leia could enter the ship without the crew getting sucked out.

[@FarkasAbel91]

How could they be in the hangar of a ship without being sucked out in any other of the previous entries of Star Wars? SHIELDS

[@isbimperialsecuritybureau2192]

Ábel Farkas wasnt an hangar

[@FarkasAbel91]

Never heard of emergency force fields, have you?

[@BlackShardStudio]

He talked about the kamikaze attack in a different video already.

[@JellyLocke]

THANK YOU

[@hayden8265]

0:06 General Kenobi

[@scottbruckner4653]

Red Penguin THANK YOU.

[@alearnedman]

I love the call back @1:30 to a previous episode where it was explained that lightsabers would basically set you on fire if they were that close to you

[@JenoPaciano]

Two corrections: 1. On Leia pulling herself: we can observe in the movies that using the Force does not result in an opposite reaction affecting the user. If it did, Yoda would have crushed himself lifting Luke's ship. Fortunately, real-life construction workers don't die when they use machinery to pick up heavy objects. The equal and opposite reaction is going into the machine, not the user. Thus, the Force must have mass with which to absorb the equal and opposite reactions of its actions. So, instead of a Force-pull, Leia must have commanded the Force to push her. On Leia in space, you can survive in space for a short while, but you would go unconscious after about fifteen seconds. That's how long it would take your body to consume the oxygen left in your bloodstream, resulting finally in unconsciousness by asphyxiation. Leia was in space for far longer than fifteen seconds and thus should not have been able to save herself. One way around this would be if she hyperventilated just before going into space so as to fill her blood with more oxygen than it would normally have, though it's unlikely that would make a difference given how long she was subjected to the vacuum. So, once again, we must assume she engaged the Force in some unspecified manner...how disappointing. As usual, great episode. Both my girlfriend and I are fans. She calls you Professor Handsome.

[@BEZERKSTUDIOS718]

JenoPaciano plo koon uses the force + his breathing thingy to survive in space for a very long time, leia could've used the force in a similar way

[@GAdmThrawn]

Frank Bowman Plo Koon is an alien coming from a planet with a thin atmosphere and has a special breathing apparatus. Leia is a human who lived on Alderaan and doesn't wear one. Case closed.

[@BEZERKSTUDIOS718]

Grand Admiral Thrawn yeah and she was in space for only a couple minutes, plo can survive hours. We've seen the force do crazier shit than this

[@GAdmThrawn]

It wasn't for hours, Plo even said that he can withstand the pressure for a brief time. Brief meaning a few minutes. Just long enough to win the skirmish against the droids. The point being that Leia is untrained and Plo is. Leia is a regular human that is supposed to have a human reaction to being thrown violently in space and having to use the Force to pull herself back to the Raddus. Plo is an alien hailing from a planet with a thin atmosphere and he is required to wear a breathing apparatus on planets with a different atmosphere and thus allows him to have a different reaction. While we've seen the Force do crazier shit than this, that's because it was by trained individuals who've spent years or more.

[@BEZERKSTUDIOS718]

Grand Admiral Thrawn who's to say leia hasn't trained between ep 6 & 7

[@Sacrid_Author]

If using the Force on an object causes an equal yet opposite force on the user, then why is Yoda unaffected when he lifts Luke's x-wing out of the lagoon on Dagobah? If there is indeed an equal yet opposite force acting on Yoda, then he would effectively be crushed by a force slightly greater than the weight of the x-wing. (If you believe the force would be equally distributed across all of his atoms and thus not crush his bones, then the same force acting through his tiny feet would cause him to either sink into the dirt or crush the rock on which he stands.) Obi-Wan pushes a bunch of droids in episode one, Yoda throws a pillar in episode two, Palpatine and Yoda each throw hover platforms in episode three, Starkiller pulls a star destroyer down to a planet's surface in Star Wars: The Force Unleashed, and I'm sure there are countless other instances I don't know about across other video games, comics, books, etc. They all used the Force on something with significantly greater mass than themselves without appearing to experience even a single Newton of a supposed opposite force.

[@scruffypuppet8633]

I dont understand why we need an explination on stuff, if you can push and pull with the force its not a leap to say you can pull yourself with it, hell some people use it to destroy entire planets in the books and yet they cant pull themselves 30 feet?

[@asgart16]

8:35 I don't think that's how the force works in Star Wars.. I can't think of any example we have seen, where a force push pushes the user backwards. The User isn't influenced at all in those cases. On the other hand, I think a jedi could willingly apply the force to him-/herself to jump higher for example or to get pulled towards an object (which would also be the case in the Leia scene), but that doesn't necessarily mean there has to be a counterforce like you explained in your lightsaber-pull example. The force has got nothing to do with real-life physics as we know them, after all. Btw, love the show!! :)

[@scruffypuppet8633]

I dont get why its so hard to believe you can pull yourself with the force? Like you can genocide an entire species with a bomb of pure force power but you cant yank yourself 30 feet in one direction. I can stop lasers with my bare hands and CREATE VIRGIN BIRTH! but i cant pull myself 30 feet.

[@michaelsnyder9047]

Also, in regards to Leia's ability to survive space for as long as she does: the Force can sustain you for extended periods. So, taking that in to account as well, she definitely could have survived long enough to pull off that maneuver.

[@ultr0shot440]

Yeah, well he actually did a solid explanation of how she would survive without it. But... here's the issue with your comment. She's not force sensitive. They had to retcon that into episode 9. It was actually quite clear that only Luke was forced sensitive enough yo be able to USE the force. Leia was sensitive in the sense that she could feel a connection with her family, but that's it. George confirmed this himself YEARS ago. Plus his original plan was for Leia to bring balance to the force WITHOUT using the force, but through building a better republic. He never intended her to be force sensitive enough to ever use the force. And when episode 8 was released, that was still true. It only got re-conned thanks to JJ, who tried his absolute best to make episode 8 make sense.

[@allosaur1766]

Wouldn't Leia have been shot out and have continued her trajectory away from the Radus while the ship was moving in a different direction? If so, she could have been miles away by the time she woke up.

[@reggieyancey1047]

This is actually a fair point. Unless of course she hit something that canceled her outward momentum and caused her to stop. Of course we don’t know how long it was before she woke up. It could have been one second. Which means she would only be a few hundred feet away. Sure it was a long time before we wittnessed it. But movie time is diffedent than real time. Many scenes in movies are happening at the same time. Technically every movie is a time travel movie because the audicen travels back in time to witness simeltanious events back to back.

[@chechong2439]

I actually like to think that Leia has Jedi like reflexes which is one of the reasons she survived the blast and also why she had a survival plan in such a short time. Also we don't know the trajectory of her exit exactly if she was blasted out in front of the ship the constant acceleration the fleet had could have kept her close enough despite the intial outward momentum from the blast.

[@krugrdbot]

There you go, for all the hipster's talk of science, he forgets this point...by the time she reacted, the ship would be incredibly far away. Also, what about the airlock(or lack of)? How the hell did that not get brought up? ABSOLUTELY a plot hole. Everyone that was inside that door when Leia froze her hand off by touching the glass, should have been sucked into space.

[@garith21]

Well, if we're to base how fast the Radice is accelerating from the earlier scene where the other ships fall out of space (rather than just appearing to decelerate like this video implies). If Leah was fortunate enough to be flung straight ahead of the Radice (and it would have to be straight ahead or the radice would have gone by her or she would have been flung at a different vector) she actually probably would have been a Leah pancake since the Radice is still supposedly accelerating where as, at best Leah is traveling at a constant speed with relation to an earlier speed of the Radice. In reality there would be a moment where they'd be stationary with relation to eachother, but given what we're supposed to believe is the Radice's constant acceleration she should have ended up being a pancake when we take into consideration the distances involved. From every angle it's inconsistent physics especially if you're using earlier points of the movie as points of reference. I always took it as taking the concept of ww2 in space to ridiculous conclusions, but people want to pretend that real physics make sense here when they don't. Oh and don't get me started on the hilarity that everyone should have been sucked out to space when the non air lock door opened. Either the vacuum of space matters or it doesn't. Don't pretend there's consistent physics anywhere and then show junk like that.

[@michaelfarrell4824]

Her velocity would be maintained

[@little_isalina]

Now let's talk about the actual plot holes. Like how Finn didn't know it was possible to be tracked through hyperspace, when he was apparently the janitor working near the very device that did it for a while. Why nobody thought to hyperspace ram into the imperial fleet earlier. Or the other way around. Why yoda's ghost didn't appear much earlier to lightning blast something useful. Why none of the imperials thought to just jump ahead of the rebel fleet. How no one noticed the big fuck-off inhabitable planet within the system of which the entire chase must have taken place, considering they eventually got there without hyperspace travel, until they actually started launching the escape vessels towards it. By the way, the bombs dropping from the rebel bombers could also just have been launched, instead of simply released. That would also explain how they would get where they are needed even without planetary gravity.

[@derpmanaveragegamer7791]

1. finn was a janitor and im fairly sure hyperspace tracking would be very sensetive data and be closely guarded and behind high level security locks. 2. because it was a last resort, the raddus was the only ship big enough to survive bombardment long enough to jump to hyperspace. 3. idk plot reasons i guess. 4. because even though its such a short distance hyperspace jumps are still very complicated, dangerous, and impractical due to the distance. 5. again idk, plot reasons.

[@little_isalina]

1. That doesn't explain it. Either he did know about the hyperspace tracker so it wouldnt make sense that he didnt realize they could track through hyperspace, or he didn't know about the tracker, so he wouldn't know where to find it on the ship, even if he was working right next to it. 2. Good enough for me. I'll accept that. 4. Then just jump away and back in. Hyperspace jumping has been shown throughout the canon to be precise enough to land in combat distance, and they didn't even need to get that close, they just needed to be some distance ahead and could then turn to engage at regular speed. 3, and 5. My point exactly.

[@christiandauz3742]

Hyperspace Kamikazing is a Plot Hole It is like introducing FTL missiles/torpedoes into Star Wars If Hyperspace Ramming was canon (which it isn't since Last Jedi is crap) then Naboo would have been destroyed

[@RelentlessGoaltending]

But why were the laser shots from the First Order toward the Resistance Ships arcing downward?

[@hargowsiumai2002]

In legends material turbolasers on capital ships are usually superheated balls of ionized gas, the ATM6 carried fuel cells to power the Mega 6 turbolasers as opposed to just batteries

[@hargowsiumai2002]

Considering that the resistance were going towards a planet, the gravity of the planet might apply an arc to the shots. However from the angle it is firing from that seems unlikely

[@mplumley95]

Probably some sort of new weapons tech, perhaps similar to the Covenant's plasma torpedoes in Halo. And before you go "but lasers!" on me, turbolasers don't actually behave like lasers since their shots don't travel at the speed of light (illustrated by the fact that you're able to see them arcing and subsequently complain about it).

[@RelentlessGoaltending]

Who's complaining? I simply asked a question.

[@RelentlessGoaltending]

Jebediah Kerman Fair enough. I don't follow the Star Wars expanded universe, just the films so I was not aware of turbolasers.

[@patrickouellet6263]

It's funny how I didn't get stuck on the same event in the same scene. In the bomb scene what annoyed me the most was that she wasn't wearing any breathing apparatus in the bomber. Also about the ships appearing to slow down what annoyed me was the fact that when they ran out of fuel was that they appeared to break because of air... yes they seemed to slow down and that's fine as you explained but the fact that they start to loose their direction, that imho, doesn't make much sense.

[@hanneswiggenhorn2023]

For th3 change in direction my guess would be that some engines simply had a very little bit of fuel left,and therefore staying on a fraction of a second longer, which would cause uneven acceleration for a short time making it spin a little

[@ashleyferguson3115]

“Ohh my backstory!” 🤣🤣🤣 I laughed so hard, my side cramped up! Great video, Kyle.

[@LocalMaple]

Ashley Ferguson he stole that joke from Maui too. His backstory was literally on his back.

[@ashleyferguson3115]

Local Maple yep! My son has forced me to watch Moana way too many times. 😂

[@CaptainIglo]

He was talking about Snoke being murdered without having a backstory

[@LocalMaple]

Sim plicxs Puns can cover a spectrum in one joke. We were pointing out how he used the loss of his lower back to make a backstory pun, and how Maui had a literal backstory pun.

[@CaptainIglo]

I wasn't trying to be "KZbin-Comment-Like" rude. I'm sorry if it seemed like that

[@thelegendarysuperdegenerat1155]

I think the problem people had with the last scene you mentioned is that she shouldn't know how to use the force like that.

[@jonathanwalton5627]

Because? She was using her force senses 30 years ago. Even if she never sought formal training from Luke (It seems clear she didn't,) Why is it a stretch she learned ANYTHING in the last 30 years as a force sensitive? She was literally struggling to save her own life. Do we collectively assume she wouldn't try. LEIA wouldn't try? Do we give her so little credit?

[@thelegendarysuperdegenerat1155]

Jonathan Walton This is the Star Wars fandom, so yes.

[@Mr.Mercules]

In the expanded universe before the new films threw it out the window, Leia is as strong in the force as Luke(they are twins so it makes sense) and owns and knows how to use a light saber. Luke gave her formal training as well. Since we jump forward past a time when Luke has taken up training people, trained her son, closed said school, and is now an exile, it is not a huge leap to think somewhere in those years prior to vanishing he had a chance to at least train her to "levitate rocks".

[@nithinkhydrose4899]

Unless it is explained in TLJ novelisation, any assumptions you make about Leia's Force training are your personal head canon created to fill in the gaps. In fact, it is said in one of the Disney novels (I think Bloodline) that Leia hated Darth Vader so much that she avoided anything that reminded her that he was her father, including Jedi training.

[@Mr.Mercules]

It WAS canon, that Leia has force training, until Disney bought the rights and said it may or may not be. Unless they specifically said she doesn't then it isn't a plot hole. In fact, since the MOVIE just showed she understands how to use the force... I guess it is canon that she either has an instinctual ability or has had training and Occam's Razor would say the simplest explanation is likely the correct one which would be that she has had training.

[@dawsquads6677]

Hey Kyle, I was wondering if you could do an episode on how Samus Aran's suit works? Like how does she get into a little ball or what exactly does her arm cannon shoot? P.S. love the show

[@Painteagle]

According to the Space Pirates, the Morph ball is Bird Magic. They try so hard to figure it out and all they ever get are pulpafied pirates.

[@randomusername3445]

Back when game theory was good and used real evidence they did an episode on the morph ball that explains it.

[@ragecactus454]

Dawsquad S I wouldn’t be surprised if it was like a pokeball.

[@rewrose2838]

We need to address Megaman and Sonic with BS before anything else. Those are the worst offenders of Science! (also Mario with his Bullet Bills)

[@evilxion2868]

Dawsquad S I would love to see some Metroid science.

[@2ekacdnah391]

"I have to be wide somewhere"

[@AstroRayGun]

I just assumed the bombs were propelled down. Like, the bombs were connected to that mechanism and it just pushed them down.

[@89ludeawakening1]

Colonel Abraham Reider They wouldn't actually be propelled downwards. The bombers have something creating artificial gravity inside of them. The crew members are able to walk normally and climb ladders without floating around. This is also seen being possible inside of the bomb bays. That means the bombs are also subject to that gravity inside of the bay. So when they are released they will slide down the deployment tracks under their own weight and continue with that exact departure velocity and angle through space because nothing is creating resistance to change it. I just left a comment about it but unfortunately I'm sure it's too late for them to read it. :(

[@SuperSuperman1976]

I was thinking of some tech more like a rail gun. Mag propultion.

[@MaktheMad]

Exactly. I think they "over thought it" in this video. Once they start travelling down, there's nothing to stop them from going down in space.

[@jooot_6850]

Thirsty's right. The rails they sit on are really electromagnets, and can launch the bombs downwards. That also means that they could have launched the bombs from a near-horizontal position and let the bombs simply float into their target, but accuracy and timing would be an issue so flying up to the mandator... actually makes more sense.

[@SuperSuperman1976]

Colin Thorneycroft Just an idea

[@Indeterminite]

1, 2:00 If you are going to assume that Newton’s laws of motion apply in this universe then why didn’t you address the real plot hole here where it was heavily implied in the movie (if not directly said) that “the Resistance ships are faster than the First Order”? If that really was the case and we apply Newton’s laws of motion to this universe then that should mean THE RESISTANCE SHOULD BE GETTING FARTHER AND FARTHER AWAY FROM THE FIRST ORDER BECAUSE THEY ARE ABLE TO ACCELERATE FASTER. THEY WOULDN’T MOVE A CERTAIN DISTANCE AWAY FROM THE FIRST ORDER, THEN REDUCE THEIR ACCELERATION TO THE SAME AS THE FIRST ORDER’S. And if the Resistance ships are not able to accelerate faster, then how did they get that initial convenient distance away from the FO such that FO can’t shoot them? 2, 5:09 In order for your solution to work (and as you later pointed out at the end of the video), then we must assume that neither the dreadnaught nor the Resistance fighters are in orbit and are just hovering really high off the ground. This is fine and dandy in sci-fi movies like all the previous films of Star Wars because they never once mentioned anything about fuel. However… IF YOU LATER ON IN THE MOVIE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT LOSING FUEL THEN WHY THE F*CK DID YOU WASTE SO MUCH OF IT HOVERING ABOVE A GOD DAMN PLANET?!?!? It’s either you just proved the leaders of the resistance are a bunch of DUMB MUPPETS or THIS IN OF ITSELF IS A PLOT HOLE. Pick one. 3, 7:04 What was even the plot hole you were trying to disprove? That Leia would have asphyxiated in that amount of time? That Leia wouldn’t have been strong enough in the force to pull herself back to the ship? I’ve heard neither of these as plot holes from anyone I watched on KZbin or read in the comment sections. And it would have been a wasted effort anyways since all Rian would have to say is “The force saved her”. What we don’t like about this scene is how the CGI looks comically bad and she looks like f*cking Mary Poppins. 4, 9:55 Rain Johnson will not be making the third film. Thank God

[@danieldainty3523]

The Capital Ships all have reactors. The Falcon and even the death star runs on reactors. Fuel has only been used on small ships like Ties and X-wings. For a reactor to run out of fuel that would be a major concern.

[@matejchlan9855]

Replying to 2nd point, I think (not sure) that it's explained by antigravity engines which are consuming a bit of fuel.

[@cyndernight2422]

not to defend the speed issues you have with point 1, i think your correct about the speed, but i do have an idea that's plausible. take a Ferrari, it is very fast, powerful engines, can outrun lots of things... but its fuel tank is small giving it limited range, and to go fast takes LOTS of fuel... faster you go, the more fuel it takes per second... now, assuming that the space ships thrusters use any kind of logic to them, i would gather they would run similar idea... they only needed to stay ahead of the first order ships, they cant "outrun" them in sublight, i mean they are physically faster sure, but they have no way to loose them at sublight. so, they could go full tilt, burn there fuel fast, get a long way ahead, but for what? they burn out quicker, and get caught up to quicker... instead they get ahead, and then just jog, sipping fuel slowly to maintain a slow trot just in front of them... sprint VS marathon... there was no "running away" from them, so they had no point to burn fuel at full speed... the only plot hole i can see is the glaring issue of hyperspace ramming, assuming it works for a moment, why didn't they use ANY OF THE SMALLER SHIPS?!, like, ANY OF THEM... an X wing, a troop carrier, a Y wing, hell if they needed something big, what about that medical frigate?! it was the "first to fall" so why didn't that do a 180 before it was dry and slam into the first order ships!!! and don't give me that "she was the first to think of it", bollocks, anyone with 2 IQ could think of taking an astromech, a hyper drive and a thruster, welding them together and saying "off ya go"

[@tobyscustoms4813]

Cynder Night that’s the problem I have with the film if she did it why didn’t they just ram a ship into the Death Star. The end of the last Jedi makes all the original films endings rubbish RJ has destroyed the first films for my little girl with this ending because she figured this out on the way to the car after leaving the cinema and she is 6

[@roguepathfinder2477]

Cynder Night I hope that analogy is a joke. First of all a car on earth uses considerably more fuel to go slightly faster is because of air, air resistance increases with the square of the speed of the vehicle, that is why cars have the top speeds that they have. Second of all, if you accelerate quickly, it gets you to a high speed quickly, it doesn’t use more fuel, an amount of energy is transformed from potential (whatever the fuck that ship is powered by) to kinetic, the speed at which it happens is irrelevant, if you burn all fuel quickly than the first order has to burn fuel more time, time you can use to escape from them. If you do not trust me about the fuel part see: E(total)=E(kinetic)+E(potential), you can turn potential energy in kinetic energy, you could turn kinetic energy in potential energy, the speed of the transformation is irrelevant.

[@lachlanraidal5100]

If the force obeyed Newton's third law, Yoda would have been crushed lifting Luke's X-wing out of the swamp...

[@tariffictypist7372]

I always thought that Leia surrounded herself instinctively a force bubble around her face so she can breathe and survive that explosion. It happened in the Clone Wars when Anakin and Kit Fisto prevented Padme from suffocating under water with a force bubble. Who else thought this?

[@vinitdoke]

Why do the green projectiles that the first order uses on the resistance ship arch their wave towards it, rather than going straight as happens in space?

[@masterpenguins]

Because Science

[@aredjayc2858]

Because Rian wanted it to be more like WWII hence the bombers dropping bombs and fuel being a constraint

[@tobleronetube3686]

Vinit Doke why is there sound in space in these movies?

[@aredjayc2858]

@@tobleronetube3686 Rule of Cool AKA it'd be boring otherwise

[@xliquidflames]

I have been mentally screaming these same answers at the internet since the movie came out. And any other issues people have with the movie's physics are also explainable. The arcing projectiles, for example, would make sense because of gravity. The target ships' mass would be enough for the firing ship to have to aim high because the projectiles also have mass. The projectiles would then arc down into the ships. You don't need to do this with missiles because they have much more velocity and are propelled like rockets. You don't have to do this with other weapons because the projectiles are massless. The math works out.

[@wuhugm]

My Backstory! lol~ Btw, issue number 2, so bombers are not designed to work in deep space?

[@nathans5347]

Alexander Reinfield Actually this guy never addressed the ray shield that the bombers have. You’re familiar with how those things work in other movies: we see them most in ships hangers. They don’t impede anything from moving in/out, but they maintain gravity, air, etc inside the hanger. So the bombers have these at their bottom. So the bombs are dropped with the artificial gravity aboard their ship - once the bombs are out in space, there’s no resistance to stop them and so they look as if they’re being dropped in an atmosphere.

[@confusedskeleton5486]

or ya know, they just PUSH the bombs out

[@jooot_6850]

yeah, like our friendly sarcastic lemon noted, these space B-17s actually use electromagnetic rails to railgun the bombs out of the bottom of it

[@csigunner5087]

Oh, that actually sounds cooler than anything else used to explain it lol.

[@almerakbar]

I always assumed that the bombs weren't "dropped" but accelerated downwards

[@JackgarPrime]

People don't know what the hell a "plot hole" actually is. Hell, people even think that just because something doesn't get more explanation makes it a plot hole. It doesn't. It's just a thing you don't hear more about.

[@blub9480]

JackgarPrime people are like "wow star wars is so stupid, too many plot holes" *watches anime*

[@KneeCapHill]

plot hole is something in the movie that contradicts something else the movie established prior or at least invalidates one of the movies premises

[@CharlieDB96]

Which is then, bad writing at it's core. Main stream fan service movies should not leave you confused, especially on such glaring topics as Leia magically being a force user now (yes, it is stated in the books, but unless 100% of the movie going audience has read the book, which they haven't, then the movies need to take steps to explain, or at the very least setup what's going to happen on screen)

[@sladekiske]

Fuel... In seven Star Wars films I don't think anyone ever mentioned fuel. When a small X-Wing can take Luke from Hoth, to Degohba to Cloud City through hyperspace, I think they've got that fuel, or energy thing covered. I guess I could forgive the contrivance of it all if everyone's subplot but Rey's wasn't just a huge waste of time.

[@timewarpdrive77]

Nailed it in coffin my friend. Also to this KZbin fake science man, you strawmanned! You neglected to talk about the biggest plot holes like how the purple hair lady hyperspace thing breaks all the rules and space dog fights of Star Wars. Instead of talking about the thing people are really calling a plot hole, you talk about these other things which maybe one person called a plot hole. Your first one by the way makes no sense, if the spaceship retained its speed and was "too fast" for the first order, then it would stay in motion in the same speed it started out with. By the way there was no fuel crap in the other movies so this entire movie falls apart!

[@timewarpdrive77]

By the way when the person who nailed it in the coffin was sladekiske, not the retarded Thor look-alike

[@thetruebleu014]

TimeWarpDrive 77 stop hating why don’t you make a video explaining it then you can hate all you want

[@Merennulli]

Because Science is dealing with the science problems, not the plot inconsistencies. It's not a strawman to address the points you want to address and state you're not weighing in on the film as a whole. The premise was that the fleets had been pursued for an extended period of time and hadn't had an opportunity to refuel. While the specific fuel efficiency is unknown, the number of hyperspace jumps Luke made without refueling was fewer than what the fleet did in the explicitly mentioned parts of the movie. It's not an inconsistency, and it had a lot of potential for a good story if they hadn't cut it into pieces with the casino side nonstory and the Vice Admiral Plotholdo plan that would have saved everyone if she had just told people instead of being paranoid. As for the hyperspace ramming maneuver, that is an actual plot hole, not a science mistake, so it's outside the "because science" realm. We don't actually know how hyperspace works. All previous information implied it was outside of normal space, which would make the scene impossible. If not, the thousands of years of hyperspace technology would have ensured someone thought of it before Vice Admiral Plotholdo did, and it would have lead to the massive, highly cinematic capital ships being phased out or some sort of defense mechanism would prevent it (like the interdiction field from Rebels). Before someone brings up mass shadows as an excuse, that third view would just mean, as many have pointed out, you fill a skeleton ship with a lot of low value mass and strap a big hyperdrive to it and it would end the benefit of things like the Supremacy and Death Stars...and to be blunt, planetary defense as a whole. We had it hinted to us right at the start that massive objects will harm a ship in hyperspace, but the reverse is story-breaking. As for the "too fast", you need to remember that this is about fleets. A fleet is only as fast as its slowest ship. If Snoke sent the fastest ships forward, the Raddus and its escorts could pick them off, so the First Order fleet is speed limited by the slowest ship in the necessary fleet formation to overpower the Raddus and its escorts. The Raddus and its escorts are also speed limited by their slowest ship (which was likely the Raddus itself), meaning the First Order could never catch up with them so long as both were accelerating. This would mean that, at full speed, the Resistance fleet would gradually pull away (which is exactly what we see, as the Supremacy starts out in firing range when the fleets first emerge from hyperspace, leading to the line "we can't cover you at this distance"), but they know they are running out of fuel. Since they were conserving fuel, that would mean they are likely to accelerate just fast enough to get ahead of the First Order, then reduce acceleration to just enough to maintain distance so that they keep accelerating for longer (more total speed and thus distance). Furthermore, if they pull too far enough away from the First Order, the First Order could just use their hyperdrive to close the distance or get ahead of them. He's absolutely right that this scenario would give the moving frame of reference where ships fall away. That said, the moving frame of reference does break a couple times when the Millennium Falcon and later the Libertine drop in and are pointed backwards against the frame of reference but are motionless relative to the still-accelerating Supremacy until they engage engines.

[@owenbevt3]

It's not a contrivance at all. Fuel only becomes an issue in this movie because the two feats are in constant burn trying to out pace each-other. And because of the in-complete emergency evacuation.

[@arctroopernull8733]

What would happen if you hyperspaced into a planet? How big would the destruction be?

[@davidmayberry3190]

Death Trooper DT-101 I think he answered that in another video, he said it would tear the crust and mantle completely from the earth.

[@arctroopernull8733]

David Mayberry kool

[@alexvogel610]

Visible from space; they did it in The Clone Wars series: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y6iWYax4jshpfs0m45s

[@schwarzerritter5724]

Death Trooper DT-101 In the last movie, Han used the hyperdrive inside an atmosphere and nothing happened. If hyperspacing into a planet would do something, the atmosphere would have ripped the Falcon into pieces.

[@Monochromicornicopia]

Planet obliterated. Anything roughly larger than a car traveling at light speed would completely destroy the planet

[@fiftyfat]

If you apply newtonian physics, then the «plot holes» appears somewhere else, yoda using to force to lift giant tank in clone war, all the weigth of the tank apply on the surface of his tiny feet, the ground would have at least cracked !

[@KneeCapHill]

it's not about the real world physics but about what rules the previous 7 movies made clear about the force. It's basically telekinesis with a bit of mind reading. Nothing too OP. In this movie they used DA FORCE.jpg for no reason at all. What was the point in leia Floating back in the ship ? If she had such abilities why not save other valuable members of the resistance that were in the cockpit with her ? Most movie goers missed the fact that Admiral Akbar, a beloved character of the series, was also in the cockpit but was ignored by the movie. They went out of their way to: 1: Kill a main character 2: Bring that SAME character back to life disregarding the credibility of how it could be done 3: Have nothing to do for that character once they come back to life and having her probably die off screne in the next movie since the actress died IRL shortly after shooting. They had the perfect opportunity to give leia a descent send off by just leaving her out there in space drifting away peacefully. Then they could have Admiral Akbar take comand of the resistence for a while and have him kamikaze Hyperdrive into the first order esclaming ''It's a trap!'' over the intercoms. Would it be sheesy? Sure but at list it would be self consious about the cheesyness. It would have been a fun nod to long time fans and a badass moment for newer fans. The fact that that scene ruins the whole movie franchise still stands but at least it would've made good use of established characters rather than introducing one off new ones for no reason..

[@Vulcano7965]

@Sean Brogan As you said, she died shortly after the shooting. So to honour her work and death, Rian should've delete all of her footage and replace those scenes with Akbar? Seems so thoughtful!

[@fiftyfat]

Vulcano oh man, that's a stupid comment ! Is it just a troll ?

[@Vulcano7965]

Why? Sean suggested that Rian should have killed Leia when she was sucked into space. But then they would have cut all her other scenes out, since they already shot those because she was still alive. So killing her at that moment would mean to cut her from 2/3 of the movie and that is simply disrespectuful for her as an actor.

[@ttrevino167]

When the 1st order kept firing during the chase why do the rounds curve down to hit the resistances ship

[@davindeptuck7905]

No plausible reason

[@nauticalfool2803]

Same reason Lukes Torpedoes he fired into the Death Star in episode 4 Curved.

[@ShatteredPsyche]

Gravity. The closer the proximity of these rounds to the ship gets, the more Gs they are experiencing, changing their trajectory from straight to downwards as momentum is lost over distance.

[@sheryiff]

This is the real question about this movie, and I was really disappointed it didn't get addressed in this video. But he claims that he isn't biased, but then shows some pretty heavy bias in favor of Disney.

[@7Seraphem7]

Except the torpedoes clearly have some form of propulsion system of their own, so have a way to change direction. The fired shots don't. Nor is there likely to be enough gravity effecting them to make them curve that visibly. Between that and all the other things, it's clear the film makers were just basing stuff off of old war movies and failed to take space into consideration.

[@ninjanayr]

With the force though it seems to work different than as described in the video. I didnt have an issue with the general Leia scene. You see people using the force on themselves all the time in other movies to do their double flip jumps and switch directions mid air. The problem with the force in general is that in the movies it appears that there isnt always an equal and opposite force on whatever is being moved. When they pick up big pillars or ships with the force you dont see the force weighing down the person that is doing the lifting. When you see them using the force to push droids around in the prequels the arent being pushed back themselves even though the weight of the droid should be much more than them given they are metal. The movies seem to imply that the force is its own energy that can affect objects in the physical world as if the object that the energy is focused on is its own system disconnected from the the stuff around it.

[@Wheathn]

There's an easier explanation for the bombs. The simulated gravity on the ship sends them falling down and once they exit the ship they don't stop (Newton's 1st). However none of these are even remotely as lore-shattering as Yoda Ghost Lightning or the hyperspace kamikaze which apparently noone has ever tried before in the long history of Star Wars and surprisingly super-effective. --- (Rant...) Even if you take those massive plot holes out what you're left with is just a bad movie (as a trilogy) that tosses out everything interesting that was being built up with the first (Snoke, Knights of Ren), STILL lacking any meaningful world building (The current state of the galaxy.) Who even controls the capital planet (Coruscant)? Is this "New Republic" hiding out/garnering support in the Outer Rim? The first movie they traded 5 planets for 1 death star. It seemed like a victory for them I guess but I have no clue who came out ahead from that exchange. How many were they expecting when they radio'd for allies? Does the First Order ONLY have those several star destroyers? They couldn't call in (or just jump one ahead) one more to cut the rebels off? Again the trilogy fails epicly to present a sense of scale. And they keep trying to shove this Mary Sue down, literally the least interesting character Star Wars has ever had, down our throats. ---

[@csigunner5087]

If I remember correctly Coruscant is still held by the Empire. The Empire was mostly dissolved and demilitarized by the Rebellion and New Republic. They were allowed to mostly hold on to the core of the galaxy. This kind of mirrors after World War II we still allowed for Germany to exist. But major militaristic proponents of Germany (Or in this case The Empire) fled to Brazil (Or here wherever the hell the First Order fled to).

[@DreddPirateRoberts]

+Wheathn THANK YOU!

[@chechong2439]

CSI Gunner Coruscant should have been held by the New Republic after ROTJ. The Empire only dissolved the senate during Episode IV so there was no proper empire as in a ruling dynasty. The Empire only existed for a few decades and there was no real order of succession. This is why the "Empire" fell apart upon the death of Sidious and Vader. Enough (if not most) of the senators supported the rebellion so they would quickly take back power as soon as they could and elect a new chancellor. This is why Coruscant was one of the planets destroyed by the 1st Order in TFA.

[@darthcerebus]

All of these were explained in the movies themselves XD

[@tevenbenn3175]

The biggest plot hole by far is Holdo's Lightspeed Maneuver. If it was possible and effective to lightspeed a ship as an improvised projectile, why haven't light speed projectiles been developed as weapons yet? They don't need to be ships, they could be asteroids or something. Seems much cheaper than trying to build an entire fleet to combat the FO/Empire/CIS/Republic. Also, why didn't Holdo have a Droid (or even autopilot) perform the jump?

[@Crusender]

Probably code of honor/chivalry has they don't use "projectiles weaponry" who is lot more efficient to use in space battle (all shield will be useless, has explain in this video only stop energy weapon)

[@TallifTallonbrook]

That was shown ineffective in rogue one. The rebels are jumping to light space and bounce off Vader's ship.

[@tevenbenn3175]

I just rewatched the scene you're talking about. It doesn't look like the ship actually started the jump.

[@jlokison]

A small mostly hollow modified civilian vessel trying to go to hyperspace had just started accelerating to hyperspace when Vaders Star Destroyer decelerates from hyperspace right in its path, since the small ship had only started accelerating it did not yet have enough force behind it to hurt the Star Destroyer so it just splashed on it.

[@scratch2086]

It'd be cool if they used that Railgun from Justice League to fire asteroids into ships at light speeds.

[@lhl2500]

The bad guys plasma canons shooting at the good guys during the chase, follows a ballistic trajectory, and not a straight line. No planets or other gravity wells visible. Not a plot hole but, it just annoyed me.

[@tedarcher9120]

lhl2500 space mortars

[@sedatmehmed4371]

You are breaking the internal consistency. The Force in Star Wars is never shown to work as forces in physics. Therefore you can't apply Newton's law.

[@uwuowo7718]

He isn’t applying Star Wars science he never dose he uses real world science to come to a correlation about a theme

[@Snicker433]

But Kyle, you missed the most important one, the fact that the First Orders shots arched in space.

[@drkro]

I found that extremely odd as well, I'm surprised not more people mention it. Ballistic trajectory in zero gravity, makes perfect sense.

[@chechong2439]

Light actually bends around massive objects in space (actually space is bending but I'm simplifying) so it's plausible but whoever made this movie had to geek out at a very high level and think the audience would be physics nerds too. Movies are meant to entertain and Sci Fantasy shouldn't be completely realistic .. because it isn't anyway.

[@michaelfarrell4824]

is it not more likely it's gravitational effects than a simulation of ballistic physics?

[@Tvboy777]

Star Wars blasters/“lasers” aren’t made out of light, they’re more like superheated plasma.

[@Snicker433]

Noa Pestana, Newton's first law of motion: An object at rest stays at rest and an object in motion stays in motion with the same speed and in the same direction unless acted upon by an unbalanced force.

[@spider-insider7981]

The bottom of the bombers and the doorway to the Raddus' cockpit could've used some of those blue "prequel shields" though

[@MagnumForce51]

The bomb scene didn't even need the planet under them to make it plausible. The ship might have a mechanism that gave the bombs the initial downward motion.Since there's no air to slow them down in a vacuum, they keep moving down towards the ship below it. From the POV of the bomber it would be as if they were falling to the ship below. Of coarse the movie doesn't make it apparent what "starts" the movement of the bombs. (It also fails to make apparent that there'd have to be some special forcefield on the bomber doors that wouldn't result in the person launching the bombs being immediately sucked out of the ship as a result of opening a great big hole is what is basically a big balloon in a vacuum. :P) One could argue that the bombs could slow down still when they are still inside the atmosphere of the ship. But the little friction they'd get from the speed we see them fall at would be very small. It wouldn't be enough to cause any noticeable change in their movement. They just don't stay in the ship long enough while they are moving. The rails the bombs were attached to could be using magnetic rail or something to accelerate the bombs. In space it wouldn't take much force to get them moving. Heck assuming the bomber had it's own artificial gravity system, that would cause the bombs to move down instead. Naturally such a system would have to be capable of producing negative gravity as the doors can't generate that force. The doors opened and are off to the side. So the anti gravity comes from the top of the ship instead. ;) So the bomb scene could make sense in 3 ways and not just one. ;)

[@QuicksilverSG]

Actually, the bomber doesn't need any special mechanism to propel the bombs at all. The bomber can simply dive bombbay toward the target at a constant relative velocity, release the bombs to continue in that trajectory on their own, and then apply thrust to accelerate the bomber away from both the bombs and the target.

[@danielsilvers2896]

As regards the special force field on the bomber doors, this is an established thing in the Star Wars universe. In Rogue One, Darth Vader even stands in the blast hole of half-destroyed ship without getting sucked into space, or even experiencing any apparent discomfort, or making effort to avoid getting sucked into space at all. The special force fields actually enclose the entire ships, and are designed to remain in place or rapidly regenerate even in the event of a hull breach.

[@JohnMarshallA1]

According to the ICS, the bombs are stored on "magnetic accelerator rails" (read: low power railguns). Regarding the Rogue One scene mentioned: he was stood in the undamaged ventral docking bay of the Profundity, not a hull breach.

[@Jazzman-bj9fq]

Yeah that all makes sense but overall in the SW universe (as with much of the other sci fi movies as well) no regard is given 'microgravity' in space... Virtually all sci fi has it's characters on space ships and they walk around with some type of artificial gravity, lol.

[@TheNthMouse]

ApacheThunder - except that the bombs clearly accelerate at ~9.8 meters per second-squared, in the vacuum between the bomber and the dreadnaught. Because that was actually executed with a practical effect: they built an actual physical rig and dropped the actual physical bombs from it, in Earth-gravity.

[@paulndorosh]

A note about the bombs 'dropping'...Since they are initially attached to the ship traveling at some speed, the bombs are also moving at that same speed. People in the space station appear to 'float' because they are at the same speed as the station. Unless the bombs are 'pushed' out of the bomber by some sort of mechanism (which does not appear to happen in the movie), they would not just 'drop' onto the larger ship when released.

[@Umbreona]

The actually plot hole in the first scene there is: Since when is fuel an issue? This is the first time in SW that this is a problem. Why don't the resistance all Jump to different places and run like that? Space is HUGE! Good luck hunting them all down with apparently slow ships. Why don't the New Order vessels jump just ahead of them? Oops caught them problem solved. Lastly if they were going to HS ram a ship (which previously it was established does not work) why did they wait so long to do it?

[@AgeTemplar]

Fuel is implied throughout the movies. "A fighter that size couldn't get this deep into space on its own." - Ep. 4 "We'll have to land somewhere to refuel and repair the ship." - Ep. 1 (it was a problem here too)

[@Umbreona]

Fighters are one thing and remember the problem with those type of fighters was a lack of Hyper Drive in particular. It was never much of an issue for capitol ships that I recall.

[@FarkasAbel91]

So things that never happened before can't happen at all? Is that really what you are implying? That nothing can ever change? We never saw anyone in A New Hope destroying those huge deflector shield projectors on top of Star Destroyers to make them vulnerable, still... it happened in Return of the Jedi. In A New Hope we never saw any Star Destroyers crippled or destroyed, so they must be indestructible ships of war... but in Empire Strikes back, you know... the ion cannon cripples a Star Destroyer, an asteorid destroys the bridge of a Star Destroyer... And I could go on if I wanted to. If you want a stalling franchise with no development, you should've stopped at A New Hope.

[@Umbreona]

What I am sawing, oh Mr. Strawman, is that if you are going to suddenly change the rules in an established universe then it is proper to have an explanation about why the rules have thus changed. Why can we destroy the Shield Generators on the Executor? Because it has been severely weakened from repeated pummeling through an asteroid field and an entire enemy capitol fleet slamming it. Why can an Ion Cannon now cripple this ISD? Because it is a massive planetary surface to orbit gun designed for that specific purpose. Why can you suddenly Hyper Space ram an enemy vessel to death...? ... ... ... That's right. No one knows. It was previously established that powerful shields and hull armor could actually destroy vessels doing that which is why it was not done.

[@FarkasAbel91]

I don't know where you get your delusions laserbrain. "change the rules in an established universe"?! Show me the one moment in the whole franchise, where it was ESTABLISHED this can't occur! I dare you. You are just throwing expressions like "strawman" and "established universe" when you have no idea what those mean. When exactly, during the Return of the Jedi, was the Executor anywhere near any god damn asteriod field you nerfherder?! WHEN? I'll help you: NEVER. And was the ion cannon established in universe before it was used in ESB? NO IT WASN'T!

[@rigel442]

aaaaaay, sup kyle, big fan, never cut your hair please.

[@asgart16]

Yea, don't do the Thor!

[@AgentJaffacakes]

Rigel I can’t even imagine him without the long locks

[@julianzapata905]

don't tell him what to do

[@Freedomsbloom]

If she was ejected from the ship wouldn't the ships Acceleration cause her to quickly fall behind? (Based on the rate the other ships fall back as they run out of fuel)

[@rallekralle11]

i like to think that in the bomber scene, the rails where the bombs were mounted simply pushed them downwards. they didn't seem to accelerate after dropping.

[@jorb333]

The first plot hole was more like, why didn't the first order, with more fuel, just drive ahead of them, cut them off, and blow em up

[@cappadocius9379]

Or you know just Hyperspace for 4 seconds come out in front of them and boom.

[@nerd_patriot_disciple]

Cause villains get cocky and overconfident

[@mathewperryfan]

Jorb333 I thought the ship they were on didn't have the power to destroy the other ship, the one that blew up could. So they had to wait until it didn't have a shield

[@jorb333]

Sepak even then you can just slow that ship down so the Rebels can't leave

[@jonathanwalton5627]

When? with the ships? So a medical frigate and what, a Nebula-B meant... anything next to that Mon Cal Cruiser? Should they hedge their bets that the First Order wasn't tracking all 3 ships with this technology they had not seen before? Play rock paper scissors with their last 400 crew members? They had a plan, it was in that system. A base they could get up in running in 1 jump where they might hide and signal reinforcements.

[@faiscaarthur4257]

9:00 Star Wars XII : Rey uses force crush on a droid and instantly explodes

[@elraviv]

5:30 mistake the pull of Earth's gravity 400 km above the surface is 88.5% r^2/(r+400)^2 where r=6366km

[@filiphavojic8045]

That's 0,9 my dude....

[@MaximilienRobespierre1]

2:30 Not exactly true, items will not continue forever, they will eventually slow down as they come into contact with cosmic radiation, the effect is small but not nothing.

[@WulfenStein90]

Hi Kyle, great show! If there always is an opposite and equal force, how come Yoda doesn't get crushed when he lifts an X-wing on Dagoba? Or gets pulled towards it instead of it being pulled towards him?

[@thekingston119]

Damage control.

[@johnapple6646]

ur mom giey

[@NyanBinary1066]

John Apple no you

[@TheLastArbiter]

Kyle, arent all of the ships orbiting so they dont crash into the planet, so if the bomber wanted to drop its ordinance, it would need to slow to a lesser velocity than the target and the bombs would begin to orbit at a lower height, reaching the target slowly? The problem I see is that in order to hit the target, the bomber would need to slow dramatically. If it did, the target ship would outrun the bombs, which are still orbiting... To succeed, the bomber would need to go way ahead of the path of the bomber, then decelerate and the bombs would track downward as the ship catches up and intercepts them. Are my orbital mechanics correct? Otherwise, without a force applied to the bombs, they would remain at the trajectory of when they were last in contact with the bomber, right?

[@jordancosta9242]

I love the science behind planetary gravity for the bombers, but I just have one question. They are on tracks, and they don't fall in layers, they fall in rows, so: Do you think they were actually just fed off the tracks? Couldn't it have just been that they were pushed out on little tracks and then just kept their trajectory in space?

[@doomdays101]

leia opened her eyes though

[@michaelfarrell4824]

she has force tears numbnuts

[@noblereflex8332]

The bombers make sense Kyle but only in a gravity well, the resistance would need alternative bombers for deep space operations, and for such a small group having two different kinds of bombers is inefficient and expensive.

[@Sacremas]

This is why I prefer (and assumed) they were just magnetized. But even if they instead were just set to only get a slight accelleration down the end of the bomber as they released, that's still enough in space.

[@hectoraccented5312]

But the first bombs would only have 1 meter under gravity, and the one on the top 5 meters so the bottom ones will be slow and the one falling from above will crash into them and the result would not be pretty

[@noblereflex8332]

Rising Horizon Gaming like Kyle I'm trying not to rely on artificial gravity to explain myself

[@kacperik1232]

For bomber scene i have better explanation, lore eplanation here quote from wookiepeedia : "The modular bombing magazine, called the "clip" by the bomber's crew, would drop the bombs through sequenced electromagnetic plates in the clip, which propelled the bombs to "drop" in microgravity environments. The bombs would then be drawn magnetically to their targets" so yeah this is lore explanation. and there is link to Wookieepedia page of these bombers starwars.wikia.com/wiki/MG-100_StarFortress_SF-17

[@____uncompetative]

Kacperik 123 “The bombs would then be drawn magnetically to their targets” No. They would move at constant velocity in accordance with Newton’s Law of Motion. Magnetic attraction would be a ridiculously small attractive force over that distance, and were it to exist it would accelerate the bombs, which if the side angle point of view clip is viewed does not happen. They move at constant velocity. Hence, this sentence of the Visual Encyclopaedia is wrong.

[@IamNotMeButWhoAreYou]

if they are magnetic they would have remained in the bomber - or what are those made of you suppose? Wood and plastic?

[@____uncompetative]

G. S. This explanation comes from the _Star Wars Visual Encyclopaedia_ and as with many Lucasfilm products it was written by multiple authors with no overall oversight to ensure consistency. The person responsible for the first sentence was okay at their job (although a better explanation would be to say that “Engineers had installed gravity plating on the ceiling of the bomber and inverted the polarity so that it would repel all mass rather than attract.”), whilst the different person responsible for the second sentence should have never been let near a typewriter.

[@johnelbert1798]

have to say your over looking it ,, its space there is no up or down its space for one all the target would have to do move up second that wouldn't work anyways cause they wouldn't have to be over top of the target , just tilt aim and launch . i understand it may have a limited effective range, but to waste time being exposed much longer than needed to have to be above the target in space is absolutely retarded

[@radimblizz2311]

The problem I have with the last "plot hole" is scene right after, where they open the door without any consequences. It should throw them into the space.

[@jaxonmurtagh3265]

Interesting. Can you explain why the ship didn't get torn to shreds when it hyperspace jumped into one of the orders ship. Let alone how they could get enough fuel to power the hyperdrive in the first place. By the way big fan of your show.

[@darthcerebus]

The problem wasn't not having enough fuel to jump, it was only having enough for one. And the ship was destroyed without question. There's no reason to even imagine it surviving.

[@charles1412]

Because plot armor. Honestly, the movie is a dumpster fire.

[@MrAdriansoto21]

These "plot holes" were not the reason this movie is controversial.

[@darthcerebus]

And the "reasons" they are is because people can't accept change in people or making up random shit about women being superior (which they really weren't shown to be here)

[@Apoz]

I'm glad chewbacca came to explain this to us.

[@Domexetron-Galactronic]

Well plot wise and given that Leia is a force user maybe shy could endure the exposure to space longer then average person, we all remember that Vader also survived''imposible'' physical conditions due to his strong ability as a force user which kept him alive long enough for Sidious to arive and save him.And hi lost majority of limbs and has been literaly scorched by lava

[@caseyforrest487]

Leia was able to do that because she created a force bubble. But that’s not scientific

[@Laurabeck329]

That doesn't make it any less dumb.

[@LocalMaple]

Or that Force Bubble is the spaced air that escaped with her. If Magneto can fly due to the metal in his clothes, how less scientific is grabbing your own clothes/jettisoned air to transport yourself in an environment with even less gravity?

[@caseyforrest487]

Also that scene was beautiful

[@MrSeals1000]

The biggest problem for Leia in space would be that she wasn't unconcience. Studies on rapid decompression on living creatures shows that any animal that is inside of a vacuum for around 2 minutes had a recovery rate of 100% with no damage done to the animals. It's after the 2 minute mark that the chances of survival start to drastically go down. But those same studies talk about how usually by about 20 seconds or less, the subject passes out. Leia does have slight training in the force, her main focus being on empathy, but a simple force pull would be within her ability. So then she would just need a way to stay conscious for that time. I don't know if she did it on purpose, but we have seen an ability that she most likely could use. In episode 1 when Qui Gonna and Obi Wan are going to meet with the trade federation. The room was filled with a deadly poison, and they held their breath for what had to be quite a long time for the Federation to assume that they would be dead by the time they checked for the bodies. in the novelization, Leia drew on the force to survive, because she Had to survive, so if I were to guess... She probably used an ability very similar to that to keep her mind concious. In legends it's called breath control. The user would "inhale the force" to sustain themselves, or they just reduce the amount of vital gas that their body needs to survive off of. The best practicioners could go without breathing again for days.

[@danielyoung3523]

If she was able to use the force to apply pressure around her body, she may have been able to stay conscious. She just wouldn't have any air to breath.

[@gawayne1374]

Magnetism technology? .... But wouldn't the bombs just stick to the closest ship? Like the bomber?

[@durandol]

Or each other.

[@doubled6490]

They properelled them with magnets.

[@gawayne1374]

Double D that makes some more sense, but then the bombs would still have a field of their own. There is no such thing as a monopole in magnetism, so they would spin in once in space, and align themselves with the field. Whatever the case it would affect the trajectory. Using electric charge should work better

[@doubled6490]

.... You do realize shooting something with magnetism does not mean it is made out of magnets? It's pretty clear the bombs are not railguns, it seems more like a launching mechanism. The dictionary never exclaims the bombs are magnetic. Then again, magnets of same polarity do not attract each other, so it wouldn't even matter if they were magnetic.

[@gawayne1374]

Double D okay, you need some help there. 1.- if you're using magnetism as a launch mechanism, how is the force (being a magnetic force) applied to a non magnetic object. 2.- There is no such thing as a monopole in magnetism. If you orient the bombs in such a way, as to have the North Pole of the ship's mechanism propelling the bombs outward, then as soon as the bombs where in free space, they would rotate so that the south pole of the bomb would be closer to the North Pole of the system, and so the bombs would decelerate, and might even return to the bomber. So yeah, it is important if it's magnetism, because it wouldn't work. 3.- Nobody is talking railguns. Do you even know how they work? That would actually be a feasible way of accelerating the bombs outward without having them return.

[@HandofOmega]

1) Ships have a "top speed". It would be impractical for the Resistance ships to constantly accelerate, when they could simply go to their top speed from the start, *shut their engines off*, and continue to coast at that top speed, in your own words, "forever", no fuel required. And when the ships DO run out of fuel, and seem to slow down, why do they start to tumble, instead of maintaining their angle of trajectory? 2) The real problem with Gen. Leia's feat is where she is. Even at sublight, starships move far faster than anything we have in real life, but just assuming it was moving at supersonic speeds, in the minute Leia was sucked out, the ship should have been out of her range of view, to say nothing of the fact that she should have kept shooting through space in whatever direction she was sucked out. So why is she shown to be "hovering" over the ship *along with debris* in the clip you show?? It can't be the Force, she hasn't used it yet and it wouldn't affect the debris as well. The ship can't be as stationary as it appears, but it makes no sense for Leia and the debris to somehow be traveling alongside the ship after having been sucked out of it...

[@Jazzman-bj9fq]

I agree with you on your first point although 'real' space travel would most likely use the same type of methods that our space probe scientists have been navigating their probes with to send them out of our solar system, the gravity assist method but assuming that the ships in close proximity are going at similar relative speeds then yes, the idea that a wounded ship would cease or lose some forward momentum doesn't make sense. Other than that yes, those ships would most likely be using an initial thrust and situational boosts to give some acceleration but they wouldn't need their engines firing the whole time like we see in all the SW movies. On your second point, you again have to think of 'relative speeds'... Leia was on the space cruiser and it was going at some speed and direction and since she was on it, she's going that speed and direction as well. When she gets ejected from the craft she does have some momentum away but she's still going relatively in the same direction and speed on the grand scale. It's the same thing as if you were skydiving and you had a baseball that you threw away, the baseball has some velocity away from you but you're both heading towards the ground at close to the same speed and direction overall.

[@squirreltrucking1765]

5:50 Douglas Adams in his book The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy defines the act of flying as being able to throw oneself at the ground and miss

[@akshaykumar_r]

**SURPRISE LIGHTSABER!!**

[@OmegaMegalodon]

The part where Mark Hamill " Luke Skywalker " squeeze and drank milk from an alien goat, makes me hate this movie. What is the director thinking? that is so 'extra' , it is not relevant to the movie and does not need to be there.

[@darthcerebus]

That's literally it? Rey following Luke through his daily life without question to prove she's ready to wait as long as she needs to is what makes you hate it? Do you watch Star Wars because of flashy lights and cool looking characters like 90% of the Dragon Ball community?

[@shatteredstar2149]

@@darthcerebus tone down that edge there son

[@amorecredibleusername692]

Darth Cerebus gl Njuubm

[@jonathank4278]

If only the they looked more like the Blue Alien Goats Humans from World of Warcraft.

[@jonathank4278]

I know how about Luke take milk from the same Alien that Jar Jar is .

[@oscarbogenberger-damsell4047]

Kyle if the dreadnaught is orbiting the planet would the bombs appear to fall at an angle since they are being pulled towards the planet by gravity

[@LocalMaple]

Oscar Bogenburger-Damsell Since we don’t see engines keeping the Dreadnaught in stationary orbit (since they didn’t crash into a stationary X-Wing), can we assume some form of gravity well/manipulation is keeping it in place, and therefore the bombs can just fall towards those generators? Or that an initial spring release gave the bombs velocity?

[@drunkredninja]

That would depend on the angular velocity

[@oscarbogenberger-damsell4047]

Yes I agree but I did say If Also maybe a ship that has on board artificial gravity like the dreadnaught naught could have a slight gravitational pull and could cause the bombs to fall straight

[@oscarbogenberger-damsell4047]

drunkredninja so if the bomb was dropped at an angle then it would appear to fall straight

[@NickCombs]

Local Maple If we don’t see thrusters, that means the ship is orbiting at constant velocity. Not hovering stationary relative to the planet.

[@davidwells9982]

Can you explain to us, scientifically of course, how they could sabotage a seemingly invincible franchise and turn so many people against the movies the love...and it's the fan's faults? I'm baffled by that one.

[@enso8762]

Do startrek too.

[@Julici0us_]

Science it is because.

[@JayFlowie]

But if the force applies opposite force to you also, wouldn't Luke and Yoda have been crushed by lifting an x-wing?

[@becausescience]

OR IS IT -- KH

[@Maximusrex4575]

Not if you use the force as a lever.

[@JayFlowie]

iMaximusRex levers also apply pressure back

[@danielshmitka8119]

The problem with Leia's scene is there was never mention of her force training and the fact that the door opens up without the proper procedure for a destroyed bridge in space

[@ZomboyFever]

Have you seen rise of skywalker?

[@danielshmitka8119]

@@ZomboyFever that's the problem. We need to see the next movie to even know anything. The fact the the last Jedi gives no backstory or any indication of anything is it's biggest story problem. The rise of Skywalker had to fix past mistakes which screws up it's own story

[@ZomboyFever]

@@danielshmitka8119 fair enough

[@danielshmitka8119]

@@ZomboyFever that and most of those complaints come out after seeing the last Jedi in theaters.

[@r.2004]

Gread vid. But I think that you mised the fact , that leia has to ceap up with the ship that is also moving with his top spead

[@liptongtr]

SilverBrick forgot or didn't address because of bias. Normally love these vids but he clearly didn't address the stuff he couldn't plausibly explain away. Like if Finn and Rose could go back and forth between the resistance fleet and other places why didn't they start ferrying people away? Why doesn't an entire fleet send tie bombers to finish off the last of the rebels; I mean is the first order really that concerned about losing a few fighters to kill the last of the rebels?

[@warptens5652]

Actually the speed of the ship is irrelevant. If you are in a ship that moves at 1000 m/s and you get out of the ship, you still move at 1000 m/s. That's called inertia.

[@danieldainty3523]

Also that the bridge was blow up along. She would had to have survived the initial blast

[@CouchCit]

rodriguez aymeric Yeah, inertia, that's the stuff that shoulda kept her ass moving AWAY from the ship that she was SUCKED out of. She did not just "get outside" of the ship while it was in motion...

[@warptens5652]

That's true, and that does not change the fact that the speed of the ship is irrelevant.

[@Snicker433]

The first one annoyed me so much when people were calling bs when the movie first came out. Guys, they just aren't accelerating anymore, it's not rocket science.

[@MehrumesDagon]

well some of those people even had balls to claim that they didn't need to burn the fuel during the chase scene at all due to lack of resistance to overcome in space and call THAT a plot hole.....

[@emperorbailey]

Katze I see what you did there.

[@garith21]

"The first one annoyed me so much when people were calling bs when the movie first came out. Guys, they just aren't accelerating anymore, it's not rocket science." uh no.....They're literally tumbling out of space, if they simply stopped accelerating in a vaccum it would simply keep flying forward just at a relatively slower rate than the radice. When it comes to star wars which is a science fantasy not scence fiction or movies in general there's plenty of room for artistic license. It was obvious that he just wanted a chase scene that mirrored the theme of WW2 in space and that's all there was to it. Don't pretend he was at all caring about scientific accuracy.

[@Snicker433]

garith21"Don't pretend he was at all caring about scientific accuracy." The point is, it is scientifically accurate. The ships stop accelerating, and the Radice and the first order continue to accelerate and pull away.

[@garith21]

"The ships stop accelerating, and the Radice and the first order continue to accelerate and pull away." Except it's not because they're tumbling through space. If they simply stopped accelerating they'd stay on the same vector and would simply appear to slow in relation to the radice. That's not what we see though. Also if they're accelerating when the thrusters are active then leah should have been left miles behind in just the scene of panning up to her body. Also please, even if it was in this case you have bombs falling out of a bomber consistent with them falling in an earth gravity and atmosphere as they start dispersing more due to air resistance...in space, you have ballistic trajectories for blaster fire....in space, you don't have everyone being sucked out into space when leah opens up the non airlock door....to space. It's really clear he just wanted to use artistic license to do a ww2 in space and I really don't have a big problem with that, but pretending it's scientifically accurate and cares about doing so is frankly insulting.

[@davidthehut1]

Very well explained, and I always love these videos however, even if the science works for these scenes, they are counter intuitive to the base of knowledge the common fan would have and "appear" incorrect. I think it is the appearance of them being wrong scientifically is what has bugged fans. But honestly, these minor issues didn't ruin this movie, it goes way deeper into the bad storytelling and editing that fans can't cope with.

[@Ch4oTiK]

*1st point* - perfect. Absolutely agree and makes perfect sense. Long story short - the ships didn't slow down, they merely stopped accelerating, unlike their pursuers. *2nd point* - The issue here is not even the fact that they are falling, because that is easily explained both your way, and another way as well (for the logic of fictional "zero g" and ship gravity fields/artificial gravity). It's as simple as this: They are dropped from inside the ship. Inside the ship has artificial gravity. Gravity causes them to fall when dropped, and they continue at that velocity once they exit the bomber's gravity field. Aside from "magnetism" this would better explain it in the fictional zero g scenario most people consider when thinking of this scene. However the issue here is the manner in which they drop. They are not all dropped at the same time, and instead are released in a spiral formation one following the other - which would without question after the initial few hit, chain the explosions directly back up to the bombers, blowing them up with minimal damage to their target and a nice light show in between them. Gorgeous ludicrousness for onlookers. *3rd point* Agree with the fact that she *could* have done it (minus the 2 minute thing). Science can't explain *how* she knew how to do it though - but honestly, it's Leia, having a bit of force capability runs in the family. Strongly. I don't think it's too far fetched that she knew a lil' bit of force pull and can act under pressure. She also saw it coming for some time, likely planning how to survive if possible before being spaced.

[@MisterTMemory]

Well the problem is that the planet is at a 90 degree angle to the bomber not directly underneath it right? Also we see jedi using the force on many huge objects without moving themselves at all. So although these things could be explained, they can't be explained the way they are shown in the movie. Otherwise, love the show!!! I want your beard though mine isn't as good, feelsbadman.

[@richardlionheart3935]

Sorry but some pretty weak attempts at explanations here that don't address peoples concerns with the plot. 1. It's not that the gap closes after they run out of fuel that bothers people. We get how acceleration works. It's how the ships start tumbling backswards once the engines stopped. 2. Sorry but a weak theory here. Your idea about them using the planets gravity well would make the bombers almost useless and could only launch the bombs where the target is between them and the planet. If you really wanted to give Johnson an out all you have to say is remind people there is artificial gravity inside the bomber and that field is enough to start the bombs falling and inertia would do the rest. 3. The ships acceleration would have quickly taken it past Leia's body. Even allowing for the boost to her velocity by being flung out of the room during the explosion she would quickly be left behind.Her surviving the vacuum we can just write off to the midiclorians. ;) :P

[@sedevacante6591]

It's not "Arguably" the most controversial Star Wars ever. It's by far and away the most controversial and pure disgraceful one of all. Thanks Rian Johnson for selling out Star Wars and your soul to worship at the altar of SJWs and feminism.

[@cynicthehedgehog385]

I’m totally with you about the chase being “valid”, but why didn’t the First Order hyperspace in front of the resistance? Is it accurate enough to enter an atmosphere, but not enough to just land somewhere almost randomly in front of a ship where the pursuant could then accelerate towards the pursued target? Come on.

[@The_Munch]

The Force doesn’t pull on the users at the same force of the object the Force user is pulling towards them I think. Rather I think Leia could have been exalerating forward in space just like the ship but a bit slower so she kind off moves away from the ship, or the ship away from her, but she simply just pulled the ship towards her, instead of her towards the ship!

[@emperor68188]

So why aren't these things explained in the movie? Rian Johnson still fails at Scriptwriting 101...

[@efumali]

Because explaining things would be dragging. And it's lazy writing to do an exposition to explain how things work in the world.

[@davidbailey6397]

Because its a fucking movie in a series of 3 movies that will be explained once the last movie is made.Why can't you fuckfaces accept that not every plot has to be explained in every detail? When I was kid when the original movies came out, we didn't have the luxury of knowing all the details. Darth Vader being Luke's dad was a huge surprise . Why can't you let these directors bring surprise and stop acting like spoiled brats who need everything spelled out?

[@efumali]

@@davidbailey6397 because they are spoiled brats that want everything handed to them rather than thinking that something must have happened behind the scenes. It's also a problem born out of debates in the internet (you can't infer something happened unless it was shown in canon material)

[@coryzilligen790]

Erik Umali: "Because explaining things would be dragging." ...because that whole Canto Bight section was just riveting, right? That was surely a better use of runtime than explaining to viewers, even in brief and oblique ways, why many, many things are going so very differently from previous entries in the series (e.g., technology downgrades like torpedo-based bombers to drop-bombers, what appears to be a complete retcon of how hyperspace works, what appears to be a complete retcon of how learning to master the Force works, etc.). "And it's lazy writing to do an exposition to explain how things work in the world." Tell that to Tolkien. It's not like he's one of the most renowned authors in the world, who went into incredible depth on how things work in his fictional setting. And even without going into exposition, it's not like they couldn't have just inserted a line of technobabble to show that there's something special making *THIS* hyperspace jump different from the usual ones (and therefore avoiding the questions about why there haven't been previous offensive uses of hyperspace jumps). It would literally take just one short sentence to assuage the bulk of the issues with that hyperspace attack. Likewise, even just a throwaway line acknowledging how terrible the bombers were compared to previous iterations (e.g., Poe saying something like, "If only we were able to get our hands on some Y-wings!") would have made that scene easier to stomach, rather than how off-putting it is to have technology get significantly downgraded _without anyone even acting like they noticed._ Instead, we get the even lazier writing of "Rey fixes this problem without any sort of character growth or training or real adversity because, *shoulder shrug*, we couldn't figure out how else to get out of the corner we wrote ourselves into. Go girl power?" Multiple times.

[@danielsilvers2896]

The Canto Bight section was light hearted and fun. I loved it.

[@invidious07]

The problem with the Leia scene isn't the physics of force pulls, its that she has no training to know how perform force pulls that we know of. All it would have taken is a scene or comment that at some point she had some form of training. But that didn't happen, thus plot hole in the proper sense.

[@XbninjaXIV]

And we arent given any information that she (if she did) learn how to use the force

[@darthcerebus]

We were told back when TFA was the only movie that just came out. She had training, but didn't stay because she's a diplomat, a politician, not a Jedi. She was never said to have no training nor any skill at any time in any piece of media.

[@danielsilvers2896]

I see. You're not well acquainted with Star Wars. Because if you were, you would know a few relevant facts that would help you fill in that gap. 1) Leia is Luke Skywalker's sister. 2) Luke Skywalker is a Master Jedi who even ran a school for training new Jedi. 3) Thirty years have passed since the end of ROTJ and TLJ. For me, it was *trivial* to make the inference that at some point in the last 30 years, Master Jedi and Jedi instructor Luke Skywalker must have given sis some tips on using the Force. A kindergartner could make the inference if he knew all those facts! That's why I know you're not well acquainted with Star Wars. Because if you were, and you're not literally brain dead, you surely would have made the inference yourself.

[@coryzilligen790]

@@danielsilvers2896 - And yet that is purely headcanon. You are *ASSUMING* that she has received what would be some fairly extensive training, despite the actual canon not even hinting towards that actually having happened. Absence of evidence of her training is not evidence of absence of her training, but it most certainly isn't evidence _OF_ her training, either. If it was important to the plot that she have Force powers (as it was), then it should have been _at least_ hinted at prior to that scene. Instead, there was previously no evidence _at all_ either way, and then suddenly *BAM,* Force powers for one scene. Additionally muddying the waters, we are now seeing people use the Force with no training at all, despite most of the outward Force effects they are performing having previously required large amounts of training.

[@taltamir]

@@danielsilvers2896 it is ironic you are accusing others of not knowing lore. leia was NOT INTERESTED in learning to be a jedi. She rejected the force... in your headcanon her personality was rewritten to make her suddenly decide to learn. Also, luke didn't run the school for 30 years. it tooks some time to build it, and it was destroyed by kylo ren years prior to the movie.

[@FellVoice]

If the ISS is constantly being pulled upon by gravity and is in constant freefall then how has it not crashed and burned by now?

[@TheNthMouse]

FellVoice - the direction of free-fall is perpendicular to Earth's radius. Earth's gravity is simply pulling it off-trajectory 24/7. Otherwise it would fly off into space along a straight line.