WORST Fans of Rock and Metal Tier List

[@BecomeTheKnight]

Check out my podcast here: kzbin.info/aero/PLgmGgsTY8UOKc5QxC4UTHdh7oq-8vZF0s Anything said on these podcasts is infinitely more interesting and meaningful than judging some random-ass fanbases. Highly recommend.

[@ComradeAtomic]

:o)

[@emperortrevornorton3119]

Neil Peart is the only reason I listen to RUSH love those drums

[@n484251]

Question, Mike, if you put Judas Priest in this tier list where would they land? S tier? (Maiden Fan speaking btw)

[@colbymathews5173]

"Generically American Metal" translated into its natural tongue is, "Gimme Fuel, Gimme Fire, Gimme That Which I Desire, Oooo."

[@BecomeTheKnight]

I irl lol'd at this comment

[@manks5491]

GIMMIE FOO GIMMIE FAI GIMMIE DABAJABAZAI OOOOO

[@gregmcdonald8962]

translated into Black Metal, "Gimme Fuel, Gimme Fire, Gimme That Witch I Desire, Oooo."

[@bojangles6444]

Yeah the ones that tell you Lars writes the music 🙈

[@CameronSpanos]

I think you meant to say "My lifestyle determines my deathstyle"

[@f0rth3l0v30fchr15t]

Tool fans online: F tier Tool fans IRL: high B/low A tier

[@BecomeTheKnight]

Truth

[@Nolimitscomedy]

I've noticed that most TOOL fans age 30 and younger are all chill af. I am biased because I am that age, but I think people in their twenties when Lateralus came out are the most toxic IMO.

[@dmdeign7116]

Tool fans ruined Tool for me

[@owenjohnston33]

Honestly, the thing that's probably the most annoying about them/us, is that they aren't funny at all

[@uunngghh2610]

They constantly boo opening acts, F tier.

[@daveataway1952]

Being a member of Dream Theater Fandom is essentially equal to being one of their biggest critics

[@deepenwadhwa4027]

Facts

[@MidnightAvalon]

Think that comes from DT fans having, on average, have a more developed pallet for music.

[@acoolduckinabanana7274]

@@MidnightAvalon you legit cannot have any less self awareness

[@MidnightAvalon]

@@acoolduckinabanana7274 that's cool friend, don't think so myself but would love to hear why you think so.

[@acoolduckinabanana7274]

@@MidnightAvalon kinda overreacted looking back at it ngl but I was referring to the stereotypical dream theater fan thinking they listen to “smarter music”, I kinda did come off like a bit of a jackass though ngl my bad

[@someguy7424]

As a Pink Floyd fan, I begrudgingly agree with your description of the worst of us. Unjustifiably elitist indeed.

[@BecomeTheKnight]

Emphasizing **the worst** of you. A bunch of y'all are super chill 😎

[@Vivi_9]

@@jamcentral5258 what how dare you, don't you know Comfortably Numb is the best solo of all time, it has big bends

[@jespernygaard3752]

@@jamcentral5258 Pink Floyd elitist here. And yes, as such I do think people must be mentally ill if they don't se that PF is way better than anything else. That is just how the world work. Nothing noone can do about it. :D

[@metalmelodies6718]

Pink Floyd is 1 of my favorite bands of all time, the only thing that bothers me are the people who praise Syd Barrett, every album he's on sucks & he's super overrated, If u like Syd that's cool, I just can't stand the PF fans that smoke his pole & act like he's a genius! PF at it's heart is David Gilmour, Roger Waters, Richard Wright & Nick Mason🤘

[@metalmelodies6718]

@Budwig van Leethoven agreed, kinda funny considering Syd is only credited on the 1st 2 albums, which imo are terrible! "Atom Heart Mother" "Meddle" & "Obscured by Clouds" are decent albums, but everything from "Darkside of the Moon" to their last album "Endless River" are all great albums imo! Sad what happened to Syd, but I'm not a fan, respectfully!

[@OblivionZXZ]

Megadeth fan in every Megadeth music video comment section - "Thank you James and Lars for kicking Dave out, nOW wE hAvE gREtEst mEtAl bAnD iN thIS uNivErSe 🤪"

[@DovahVokuna]

And remember. He wrote all of Kill em all. Ride the lightning and master of puppets.

[@Will-lh4lh]

The Megadeth fandom is definitely F The diehard fans are super funny Megadeth still fucking rocks 🤘

[@Will-lh4lh]

@Eliza Page 1. Dude. Chill. Who cares. 2. Predictable 3. L + ratio + no dad + no bitches + mid + 🤡 Seriously tho, everyone heard that too many times. Even if it's true. Both bands have their own bad stories and issues, for some reason no one ever brings up Megadeth's. It is genuinely funny seeing people not taking a joke and carrying on to rant 24/7 on the Internet. You didn't have to say that man cmon

[@Will-lh4lh]

@Eliza Page well you got your reaction hehe. I'm pretty sure Oblivion was joking tho, how can you make not fun of your type. And yeah, I mean I'm not gonna report your comments or delete them so no one's really stopping you from commenting, unless you think I'm harassing you. And I'm not man I don't take this stuff too seriously now I've seen too many fans like that lmao. Peace ✌️

[@stevenbacon-cheddar9914]

I always loved BOTH bands pretty equally😂

[@The88shrimp]

So as one of those Maiden fans that does love the later stuff as well, to put it simply I'm very self aware on how repetitive some of their post reunion stuff is. You can basically predict the entire song structure after hearing the first minute and they are very long comparatively. But I simply like the long instrumental sections as repetitive as they are. They just have a sound to them that fits my personal music taste near perfectly so I don't tend to get bored of them.

[@BecomeTheKnight]

Literally embodying my description of IM fans

[@Ballin4Vengeance]

For the same reason I dislike the new stuff. I understand what people could like about it, I just ain’t feelin it no more. But this has happened to every band I’ve liked so far maybe except for Paramore so That’s probly on me

[@Bedrockbrendan]

I'm just happy Dickinson is back in the group still (dark times in the 90s without him in the band). One of the few bands I still regularly buy new releases from. The classic stuff is still classic. But I enjoy hearing new Iron Maiden and have a lot of tracks I go back to on the newer albums in addition to the old. I'm also a sucker for those guitar melodies and leads. Not for everyone though. Biased because this was my first real metal band I got into (via Piece of Mind and Live After Death)

[@kybalerton2608]

​@@Bedrockbrendan Same with me. It's a lot of the instrumentality that I just love about the newer stuff. it's like they took the philosophy of writing they had with songs like the duelist on powerslave and made it their entire style. My only complaint is the obsession with the idea of having the majority of an album be long epics and if it's a miss (lost in a lost world for example) it's a massive drag for all of the 6-10 minute runtime. That song specifically has a fantastic outro but the rest is mostly boring

[@Chamiliatic]

I understand that i like a band called apati a Swedish band that is very repetitive in instrumentals but it adds to the droning feeling of their songs.

[@bobjohnson9806]

thank you for doing us foo fighter fans justice

[@timwallisky6530]

We are the most inoffensive and laid back fan base out there. We don’t get butthurt when someone criticizes us……unlike nirvana fans.

[@nicoffee777]

@@timwallisky6530 God I hate them. Always act like Kurt Cobain was above God or something

[@Will-lh4lh]

Foo fighters fans we love you :D Spread positivity

[@lunamoone5231]

@@timwallisky6530 im a nirvana fan and honestly there are so many assholes who ruin it for everyone else and make the whole fandom look like shit. I promise you wrre not all like that

[@lethybridtheorygolucastheo2191]

@@timwallisky6530 And unlike most music videos from that time period that has a lot of "Born In The Wrong Generation" comments from what I have seen, most comments on Foo Fighters music videos are just chill

[@conormurphy4328]

Sorry Mike but as a Pink Floyd fan i'm just better than you.

[@tromboneman4517]

Sorry, but as an Animals as Leaders fan, I’ve untangled the Gordian naught of understanding the true meaning of music.

[@Leatherface123.]

I’m sorry but as a megadeth fan I just don’t give a fuck

[@Midna__]

Tool fans deserve there own gigachad tier. They transcend all of us with there knowledge of the Fibonacci sequence. Every time the listen to lateralus they just go berserk and they cannot be stopped. Beware if you ever call there songs less than an experience. We mere mortals are nowhere near capable of handling the knowledge they possess. Can’t wait for the new podcast btw

[@V.F.D.DaleSalvador]

The Pinocchio Code

[@Midna__]

@@V.F.D.DaleSalvador beware of insulting anything that has to with tool as well or you will undoubtedly feel there wrath

[@V.F.D.DaleSalvador]

@@Midna__ You Fool, I am also a Tool Fan. I have EVERY CD (except Salival don't hurt me please)

[@Tojascsaba]

@@V.F.D.DaleSalvador same xD

[@Midna__]

Oh how the tables have indeed turned. Don’t hurt me please. I swear the pieces do fit. @@V.F.D.DaleSalvador

[@cca12417]

As a Nirvana fan, I totally agree with you about the toxic fans. I never understood why they think Kurt was a musical genius. I like a lot of Nirvana's catalog, but the music is pretty basic and that's fine

[@BecomeTheKnight]

Based comment

[@Nichwar19]

I dont get how a grown man can be a nirvana fan

[@muziktrkr]

There's definitely people who treat Kurt Cobain "Journals" as their bible of what's cool and uncool.

[@qwerty.4450]

I’m forever grateful for nirvana because they bridged my gap from post 2000’s music into 1990’s and earlier as a 14 year old, but they’re literally not even in the top 3 grunge bands in my opinion

[@Xul]

@@qwerty.4450 What would you rank higher? I'm not that into Grunge, so I only know the usual four (with Alice In Chains being far ahead on the top, followed by Soundgarden)

[@jtrider3779]

As a Tool fan, I fully expected F tier… 😂

[@hoodiejalen366]

Yeah I expected him to be on our ass and put us at the bottom 😂

[@angerybubzz659]

Same

[@pipespeeps5349]

Yep 😂

[@namandhasmana]

😂😂😂

[@mattw404]

I find it hilarious that you chose the Philadelphia Eagles logo, considering they have a reputation for having one of the most toxic NFL fanbases lol

[@BecomeTheKnight]

LMFAO I didn't even consider that but you are absolutely correct (I'm a Phili fan btw)

[@MetalRob81]

Go Eagles!!!!

[@davyboy9397]

Honestly, I have interacted with every fan base in the NFL and I gotta say The Kansas City Chiefs fan base takes the number 1 spot. There is not a more arrogant, disrespectful and loud fan base out there. I think it's too bad because they are a really good team, fan base is horrible

[@jasonashley9853]

@@davyboy9397 lol Cincinnati Bengals fans are easily everything you just mentioned. To the point where they will cheer opposing team player injuries. Just absolutely disgusting behavior.

[@davyboy9397]

@@jasonashley9853 For sure , there are bad fan bases for every team, and that is disgusting to do that. Chiefs take the cake tho. The most self conceited fan base period. They talked shite even when they lost to the Colts. They have absolutely zero introspection. They are incapable of being humble, incapable....

[@musicofkieran9189]

I'm a Nirvana fan and yes a lot of us are very toxic. I feel sorry for the people that go out with a Nirvana t shirt (because they just like how it looks ) and fans coming up to them and being "like what did Kurt like to eat for breakfast"

[@whenfatkillsfat803]

I prefer the other 3 Seattle ones but I'm okay with those who were actually around the time of the 90s since I'm a xennial. The ones who have them as a gateway band that mostly listen to top 40 irritate me. I actually find their rarities and B sides to be their better songs like Sappy. Oh, and Dave Grohl is an awesome dude and the best member in the band musically.

[@musicofkieran9189]

@@whenfatkillsfat803 oh yh Dave was absolutely the most musically talented...but I also love Kurt and Krist. And yeah they're not so popular b side stuff is some of their best work. Personally I have listened to pretty much everything they have done that I can find on KZbin including the fecal matter demos.

[@YBM2007]

Some of the Nirvana fans think they have to 'think like Kurt', as in being totally disrespectful of certain other bands and genres (check out the comment sections on any glam or 80s metal documentary). AiC all the way imho

[@musicofkieran9189]

@@YBM2007 yh literally. Like don't get me wrong a lot of the time I agree with Kurt..but at times I'm like dude...why.

[@akshyadulal1455]

@@whenfatkillsfat803 Depends on what you mean musically.Playing an instrument Grohl was better imo.As far as melody writing,key changes and modulation,Kurt blows almost everyone out of the water.I also prefer Kurt's singing over Grohl's,though that's just a preference,feels like Kurt's voice is more memorable.

[@JeremySlayer]

As a huge Pink Floyd fan, I agree. There are many fans who just can't accept any views that don't align with their own and get offended so easily. I try not to be that guy.

[@danieltilleru3528]

I was one of those fans then I turned 18 and life happened

[@jespernygaard3752]

Pink Floyd elitist here. And yes, as such I do think people must be mentally ill if they don't se that PF is way better than anything else. That is just how the world work. Nothing noone can do about it. :D

[@frozendilemma]

I could get never get into Pink Floyd.

[@PewciSlayer]

Mike’s Iron Maiden argument is true. I got annihilated in a forum when I said the new song “Stratego” sounded like “Powerslave.”

[@Gamebit257]

A slowed down version of Powerslave

[@puffin7285]

I mean I think the song is a bit meh but I don't see the powerslve similarity?

[@jorgenschroen5440]

@@puffin7285 its the powercords used in the intro of stratego and interlude in powerslave. I do love stratego though

[@sqyx93]

Edcd

[@wadekemmsies7180]

It also helps Foo Fighters fans is that Dave Grohl is one of the coolest dudes to ever exist and it influences the coolness of the fanbase

[@jasonashley9853]

Surprised he didn't mention that. Dave is known for being very down to earth.

[@djkymaera]

Get the poke or else.

[@lunamoone5231]

Honestly as a 16 year old Nirvana fan, im sick and tired of the fandom making us look like shit and acting like Kurt did no wrong and was a fucking saint or some bs. Its so tiring. Especially when not all of us are like this. Ugh. Oh and the fact that kurt cobain literally hated elitists is so pathetically ironic its insane.

[@Hydrolysis_Moment]

I’m honestly tired of people only focusing on Kurt. People should focus on the music for crying out loud.

[@phewiss3066]

And remember, Dave Mustaine wrote everything on the black album.

[@olivierroussin4432]

Hahahahahahahha i love your reaction about Manowar. Power metal bands have the least toxic fanbase ever because they are SELF AWARE. They know how cheezy they are and just want people to enjoy it.

[@Userius1]

The funny thing is that Joey DeMaio is probably F tier in toxicity, but Eric Adams is S tier.

[@ontaka5997]

I expected the fans to brand everybody else as "POSERS"! On the other hand, powermetal fans like the comic metal band "Nanowar of Steel" prove otherwise. You can hear their love and passion for this music genre in their songs but they still can make a joke out of it at the same time.

[@LongLiveRockAnRoll]

Manowar is one of those bands that if you see someone wearing their tshirt it's 0% chance just for fashion, they will be a true fan. I have made quite a few friends from just wearing their shirts and getting chatting with people because of it. The atmosphere at their shows is always great and and I have been able to have great experiences with people from all over the world because of them.

[@mixinmasta]

As an A7X fan, i gotta admit...we are kinda weirdly obsessed with everything about this band. Vocals, lyrical content, musicanship, progression, and the bandmates personality themselves... Id say our passion is weird, but id argue much too rare to die.

[@tyler951]

Yeah, it's everything. Once you get into them you start to feel like part of the family. Watching Drinks with Johnny and the interview with the DiBenedetto twins and all the stories of how long they have all known each other, been together, and how close they all are. It pulls you in. I can't wait to hear the new stuff... soon!

[@oceanicchicken8186]

I’ve tried adjusting to new sights but I always seem to come back to A7X

[@TheDragonsPit]

Yeah its not a thing for everyone, but I've never encountered a toxic A7X fan since I've been one.

[@zachzack6171]

What songs do you recommend for newer A7X fans

[@TheDragonsPit]

@@zachzack6171 For a newer fan? I'd generally try and hook them with what most consider their best albums I.E. City of Evil and Nightmare pretty good mix of stuff Critical Acclaim and Hail to the King are also good listens. Specific songs? Bat Country Beast and The Harlot Blinded in Chains Welcome to the Family So Far Away Buried Alive Nightmare Natural Born Killer

[@TheSpicyFalafel]

Weezer fans are either the worst or best, no inbetween. Same with Ween or any fanbase that doesn’t take its band seriously

[@jhardyrules]

The self-aware Weezer fans are the best

[@thelema3278]

Weezer - garbage fans for garbage music

[@someguy7424]

How about the “Blue and Pinkerton are the two greatest albums ever made and everything after that is worthless dogshit” crowd?

[@freezingjazzy]

Weezer haters can make a 30 minute video essay on why Weezer sucks then Weezer enjoyers will just say "We know" then refuse to elaborate.

[@iliketrains3495]

*cough* Billy Cobb

[@MorelloZzT7]

You didn't do kiss fans? Now that is a toxic fanbase. No questions.

[@greenmantles]

As someone who loves Kiss, I have to agree. No one hates Kiss more than Kiss fans!

[@someguy7424]

I don’t know. I think KISS themselves might be more toxic than their fans.

[@MorelloZzT7]

@@greenmantles I'm regarding the fans that love them. God they reek of elitism it is nasty

[@Chrissdks]

as a KISS fan I 100% agree, kiss fans hates kiss fans and yup kiss fans hates kiss. That because they(me included) are really obsessed with the band.

[@bigpapamanman1550]

All 3 of them?

[@dajecm]

As an Iron Maiden fan (mostly of the first 7 albums), I can assure you that I would have put the Iron Maiden fandom in F tier. Here in Italy it's just filled with so many toxic and honestly musically ignorant boomers that when you go to see them live it makes you want to stop listening to them.

[@ManuSDP]

As an italian. Can confirm. Went to their 2018 Milan gig, never even listened to them again after that concert. The worst cesspool of “fans”

[@Tojascsaba]

I have seen that to be the case in many other countries in Europe, it's just these absolute elitists, luckily the younger generation I would say is a bit better

[@elliotjgc]

can add UK Iron maiden fans aswell. the most elitist metal/'populraity = good, elitists' ive met have been maiden fans. Id have said D EDIT: will add least here in wales, majority of the black metal fans here are the LEAST elitist. the elitists ive come across are mostly of 2 camps. 1) do not like man bands experiment and try to get a new sound that didnt start before the 90's. 2) Jump on the newest big time popular band and believe a band being popular automatically means the band/music is amazing.

[@BecomeTheKnight]

Oh wow that's surprising. And extremely bizarre. I've never met Maiden fans like that.

[@namethestars]

@@BecomeTheKnight I actually agree I didn't realise there was a toxic base, thankfully (so far) every fan I've met as been down to earth 🙂

[@kasianvh]

"This is not real metal" - Black Metal fan

[@mylerwilson4879]

*Listens to some of the shittest metal you’ll ever hear*

[@futurebreedmachine9302]

@@mylerwilson4879 Not all of BM is shit but I agree they have one of the worst elitism and gatekeeping I have seen.

[@mylerwilson4879]

@@J.PC.Designs But comparing it to metalcore and deathcore is comparing apples to oranges as they’re very different for a reason, and not liked for different reasons

[@NAT-turners-Revenge]

@@futurebreedmachine9302 haha love the messuggah reference in your name 😃.... I go to a good amount of BM shows. Maybe 25% are elitist weirdos, the rest are very chill, intelligent, 9 to 5 men & women...

[@NAT-turners-Revenge]

@@J.PC.Designs Depends... I've got a few metalcore bands I listen to killswitch engage, unearth, all that remains, etc.... But it doesnt hit the spot for me like belphegor, dead congregation, dark funeral, etc etc

[@mildchaos6037]

To address the love for Slipknot: as an Iowa boy, we cherish the VERY few of us that become famous because it is rare. Not an excuse obviously but most of the diehards are from Iowa and have a giant love for them becoming so famous

[@someguy7424]

Please to meet a fellow Iowan. I’m from Cedar Rapids, how about you?

[@mildchaos6037]

@@someguy7424 Des Moines 🤘🏼

[@superkallen5493]

Look at us Iowa boys, getting so excited at anyone acknowledging us lol. Tommy bolin was an Iowa boy too and that dude was a legend

[@regorf]

European here, the only reasons I know Iowa even exists are Slipknot and Seth Rollins.

[@mildchaos6037]

@@regorf there are some Americans that don’t even know Iowa exists so I understand lol

[@Tylervrooman]

I think an instrument hierarchy would be hilarious. Thanks for the fun content!

[@LordBackuro]

Bro absolutely

[@sabrethemoment6799]

Electric triangle... S TIER!

[@rihardstuka413]

@@sabrethemoment6799 what the f is an electric triangle?

[@The88shrimp]

Harmonica while riding a pig has to be S tier.

[@f0rth3l0v30fchr15t]

@@rihardstuka413 Something too scary even for ElectroBOOM to atttempt

[@dragongamer4753]

Honestly bob dylan was really good at making songs that other people turned into masterpieces eg. All along the watchtower and knocking on heavens door.

[@conormurphy4328]

I've always preferred Dylan's version of knockin'.

[@lordtazzman3140]

I was going to say that my favorite Dylan songs are ones others covered.

[@gonzaloduran5648]

my favorite zeppelin song for a long time was a dylan song without even knowing

[@Ballin4Vengeance]

Desolation Row

[@connerstines1578]

Listening to the Byrds is the only time I like Dylan songs.

[@micozzzzie]

Me as a Pink Floyd fan trying not to be toxic about this toxic ranking lol

[@solfege2753]

As a Radiohead fan, I can say: Yeah people can get super pretentious and too elitist for their own good, but there’s a section of us that are super chill. What you described does indeed describe the worst of us.

[@MasterPpv]

With the Foo Fighters, I feel like at least a sizeable portion, though I couldn't tell you exactly how much, of why their fans are generally so chill has to be that the most public-facing aspects of the band are Dave Grohl and Taylor Hawkins. Like, when you have those two sweethearts who are just always super down to earth and real with absolutely everyone, I feel like it kind of just naturally tends to filter down to everyone else. Also, while they've certainly made great music, it's not like they completely revolutionized or created a whole genre the way some of the other bands on this list did (heck, like Nirvana), so it's probably a lot harder to hold that kind of elitism for their stuff. They just hit that perfect balance of being mainstream enough that you can't pat yourself on the back just for being into them but not so popular that you hear them everywhere you go, and good enough that you can wholeheartedly enjoy them but with enough "meh" in their discography that most people will probably have songs of theirs that they love, like, are indifferent to, and probably some they'd rather not bother with.

[@emmanovy609]

this is exactly my thoughts

[@BMR86]

I was waiting for the DT Fandom tier position, and according to all the discussions I see all the time on a DT Facebook group, I would've immediately placed them in F tier.... they're INSUFFERABLE OMFG! I myself am a fan, but I can't stand the online DT community 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@viniciusbertucci]

Dream Theater fans don't accept criticisms on their favorite band ever. For a couple of times I criticized DT's songwriting, and I was received really bad for that. I was polite, I had arguments and points, but the amount of whining, bitching and moaning I received from the fanboys was staggering; even one or two personal insults went my way. I gave up and gave them the victory (i.e. I started to agree with them). That was a wise choice of mine, because they finally shut the F up.

[@BecomeTheKnight]

Thankfully I won't judge them solely based upon the FB group lmao! I used to be in that group and it got so bad I left. Incredibly cringe.

[@InfernalRitesCharts]

The number of times I got shamed on the subreddit for the band because I don't like SFAM but enjoy The Astonishing is, well, astonishing. The amount of DT fans that hold Scenes up as the best concept album that ever was and refuses to hear a different opinion is ridiculous.

[@BMR86]

@@BecomeTheKnight I'm still there, I sometimes like to set fire under their asses for fun 🤣

[@colbymathews5173]

@@InfernalRitesCharts Never been in any DT fan group, but I do hold the opinion that SFAM is the best concept record ever record and no, I refuse to hear any arguments against it lol.

[@ThunderTaco206]

I am a longtime diehard Tool fan. I first heard them in 1993 at age 11 when the video for Sober came on MTV, and they've been my absolute favorite band ever since. My douchebaggery is compounded by the fact that I'm also a drummer who can play enough guitar to write music, and understands enough theory to fake an intelligent-sounding conversation. I am fully self-aware, and I have to say that the Tool Army deserve our own special tier for toxic fandoms. We're fucking awful, bro.

[@YoniIsrael]

Great video only thing missing for me is that you didn't talk about one of the worst behaviours in fandoms (in my opinion): The Gatekeepers (all of the "You're not a real fan if..." Or without anyone asking them "I'm a fan since...")

[@InfernalRitesCharts]

From my experience with the Dream Theater fandom, they're usually extremely chill but god help you if you say anything negative about SFAM or anything positive about The Astonishing, let alone both in the same sentence.

[@futurebreedmachine9302]

You forgot about praising Mangini more than Portnoy.

[@clemcadiddlehopper5706]

Love the Astonishing 🤷‍♂️

[@JubaDeMetalAlumínio]

My favorite band is DT, and... Scenes From A Memory is not perfect because of 2 moments in 2 different songs, IMO: the moaning in Home is unnecessary, at least unnecessarily long; and a minute section in Dance of Eternity is just boring. The Astonishing is good, but I've only listened it once ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯ And damn, Labrie is a sad thing in music history. His voice _should_ be better, even at his age, but well, we all know the odyssey. Petrucci's riffs are very boring on the new record. That's akward, because his riff on Distance Over Time are fucking amazing. And that instrumental sections that just repeat a line over and over again, like in A View From The Top of The Wolrd, are very anoying. For me, the worst thing a song can be is repetitive, no matter how cool the idea is. I don't give a shit to "stablishing the theme that will never appear again", it negatively affects the structure of the song. Well, sorry, I was just trying to criticize my favorite band...

[@spartansquid5931]

The Astonishing is one of my favorite DT albums, and while there's 3-5 unnecessary songs on it, I don't understand why the fanbase hates it so fervently. Most of the album kicked fucking ass, it was very unique for the band too, I feel like yelling "Just LISTEN TO IT" whenever someone calls it garbage, because it so obviously isn't imo.

[@InfernalRitesCharts]

@@spartansquid5931 they hate it solely because it's different

[@fourseasons4105]

Mike, you seriously need the album Anthems to the welkin at dusk by Emperor in your life for some actually excellent black metal (I do share a lot of the same opinions as you about most other 2nd wave black metal bands like Mayhem or Darkthrone) but Emperor and this album specifically really are great.

[@joshuascott3428]

i think he should start with maybe prometheus the physics of fire or ishans solo stuff which is super prog than work back to the brilliance that is emperors earlier stuff

[@leesanction2068]

I feel like the only Black Metal he has listened to is the wired DBM stuff and Burzum. I think he should at least give Emporer and Dissection a try before writing the whole genre off.

[@Hellenicheavymetal]

Yeah you can tell he hasnt really dug into the subgenre but hes right about the elitists.

[@fourseasons4105]

@@Hellenicheavymetal I honestly don't see that either, am mostly getting warm and friendly energies from all the big black metal loving KZbin channels such as Quest for metal or Farvann and their fans.

[@OtavioFesoares]

Sabbath fans are usually too stoned to talk trash.

[@Leatherface123.]

I mean You don’t really see people hating on sabbath or saying that they are overrated because they have the respect of everyone You cant be overrated when you did something that big

[@OtavioFesoares]

@@Leatherface123. right on! And their first six albums are nearly perfect…

[@AntiSCO]

As soon as I was GWAR being dragged up to S-Tier I was just laughing happily and nodding yes before you even really said anything. As a fan myself, my experience has consistently been that they are just as fucking massive of lovable big-time as the band itself. Best shows I have ever been to.

[@se7enthsoul]

Thank you for standing up for instrumental focused music. People think only lyrics create music and never give credit to the instrumental

[@TheTeddyBrosevelt]

I’m not a diehard maiden fan but after seeing legacy of the beast, everyone in the pit was extremely nice and as you said in the past, there was like a metal family vibe to it, like everyone is here for one purpose, which was to listen to some bad ass music and I had a great time, such a great fan base.

[@andrewpappas9311]

The Beatles were the very first band I got into when I was first learning guitar at about 9-10 years old (I’m 23 now) and I’ll admit that I was pretty obsessed with them for awhile but I’ve grown out of it, though they’re still one of my favourite bands and a big reason why I fell in love with music (and relating to what Mike said about John Lennon, I still love his and Paul McCartney’s songwriting but I was more a fan of George Harrison since he was the first guitarist that I heavily looked up to (alongside Eddie Van Halen) and I still credit him as helping me become the guitar player I am today)

[@dancegregorydance6933]

George Harrison doesn’t get enough credit imho

[@NickWebbSax]

You almost touched on something when talking about Bowie and mentioning Prince, and similarly with EVH: there seems to be a huge number of people who are suddenly super fans of someone immediately after they pass away. People who previously either didn't care or (in my experiences with people critiquing music tastes as a kid at school/uni) hated their respective styles loved them from the day they died, and to me that's a really negative element of these fan bases. Counter argument - me trying to say I enjoyed their music before they died, therefore before you did could also be thought of as pretty toxic...

[@Jasonmf123YT]

Before EVH's death I use to hear he was the biggest dick ever and after, everyone says he was the most down to earth person ever

[@iliketrains3495]

This applies to Chris Cornell as well

[@futurebreedmachine9302]

@@iliketrains3495 I don't think his / Chester / Layne fanbase is toxic.

[@lowenbad]

…and Queen.

[@lowenbad]

…and the musically ignorant plebs who watch a Hollywood docu-film about an artist and are all of the sudden superfans/ experts on them.

[@Constantine-316]

I love Manowar lol it's so campy and cheesy it comes full circle to being cool again, kind of the same feeling with movies like Jason and the Argonauts

[@RafeMcCawley393]

My dad's a Manowar fan, I'm a 3DG fan. He always taught me one value in music: "You can love a band and enjoy it while knowing people point their flaws or don't like them, that's fine, at the end of the day you're the one to enjoy the music, not them" I myself love some of Manowar's songs to be fair.

[@LongLiveRockAnRoll]

I have made quite a lot of friends from attending Manowar shows and even from wearing their t-shirts around my city leading to people starting conversations. Also had similar with Ensiferum and Wintersun fans. Definitely S in my opinion 😄

[@frozendilemma]

3DG? Three Days Grace?

[@RafeMcCawley393]

@@frozendilemma yes

[@frozendilemma]

@@RafeMcCawley393Absolutely Loved 3DG with Adam. One X is one of my favourite albums. Back in the day 3DG and Breaking Benjamin were my go to bands.

[@300Spartan03]

I agree about what you said about people putting wait too much emphasis on lyrics. I once commented on a metal video and said the lyrics don't matter because it's screamed most of the time, and some dude replied to me saying I don't know what I'm talking about and saying lyrics are super important and music needs lyrics in order to be good. Like bro chill, it was said as a joke and because it really doesn't matter

[@Heatwave9000]

I mean most people don't understand music theory so naturally will care more for lyrics. I have a limited amount of music theory knowledge but I still prefer prog bands.

[@300Spartan03]

@@Heatwave9000 word yeah, of course, but this guy just wasn't having it. Literally said Music is only good if it has lyrics, like thats a complete lie

[@enman009]

A Foo Fighters fan here since 2007, and I can confirm: this is one of the chilliest fanbase on earth. We do not care if you love/hate the band or the albums, we just vibe. As Justin Hawkins explained on his video, Foo's music is like the mother's meal you love.

[@jamestheguitarslayer1195]

I think I like slipknot cause of the energy they have live. Joey jordison was an amazing drummer and corey Taylor's vocals are top tier in my opinion. I also just relate to their lyrics especially with the first 2 albums. And for pantera I was a little sad cause I wanted to hear some of your thoughts on Phil Anselmo. Otherwise great tier list. Loved the video

[@vampira156]

As a black metal fan who almost excusively listens to black metal when it comes to metal/rock i love to hear you talk about it

[@NAT-turners-Revenge]

I think he's a bit misinformed... a lot of those guys are ignored *FAST!* . And, I go to a good amount of BM shows 😂.... extreme metal umbrella period

[@techdad5606]

I would put Beatles fans in the "F'" bracket. Spend time on the Steve Hoffman forums and you'll see why. To many of them, the Beatles are the end all and be-all in music and they post the most ridiculous what-if questions. Huge Beatles fan myself, but these people are nuts.

[@an_38kitkashyap]

The thing with Pantera, Queen and Freddy Mercury fandom is according to me is because of them either dying or becoming handicap waaay early then they should have. I always think "how would it look like for Jason Becker to be still alive rn or how would it feel for Dimebag to be alive rn) cause when they were at the prime, I was either not born or was a 1 month old kid

[@artimmenersilvers7841]

Jason Becker is still alive lol he is just disabled from disease

[@deadinsidemcgee411]

My dad’s a hardcore eagles fan. I’d call him pretty cool, he actually came back with the milk.

[@Oahu94]

This is a greatly under appreciated comment. 😂

[@sabrethemoment6799]

Past Mike here (my name is also Mike): I am expecting Dream Theater and Slayer to be way down the list. Current Mike here: hey not too bad

[@futurebreedmachine9302]

Slayer should definitely be on D or F.

[@jhardyrules]

I got a bone to pick with aluminum fans. They’re loud, hard to clean, and they don’t provide enough air circulation

[@PhilTheModMan]

you and your whole family don't provide enough air circulation. Hating on aluminium smh my head

[@iliketrains3495]

I got a bone to pick with people who claim aluminum is the only correct spelling and pronunciation

[@jonredifer3224]

The Doors were my first favorite band. They worked for me, but I can definitely understand why someone wouldn't like them. Music should always be a release and never a competition.

[@otrovato_musica]

Just admit that your favorite band is edgy sh1t and that's it :3

[@G0dMusic]

After going to a Maiden concert, everyone I've seen are incredibly nice and welcoming. And, they put on an awesome show. Agreed, after Matter of Life and Death it's kind of all been the same structure, save just a few songs. Most of the fans seem to be self aware with the repetitiveness

[@creepyinstigator]

I agree with everything you said. Except, my experience with Tool fans would go in F tier. One person came into my place of work and berated me for listening to Undertow, implying it's hot garbage. Then proceeded to tell me about math equations making them great. My only reply was I only care about how the music makes me feel. But I do live in a snobby music scene that killed itself with undeserved self importance.

[@haydenkinley5266]

Oh, I was a cringy obsessive Slipknot fan for a few years when "All Hope Is Gone" came out, being socially inept depressed and angry teen, both their music and presentation spoke to me and my morbid fascinations back then. I've grown up and chilled out since then, don't like Slipknot nearly as much but have huge respect for their musicianship and really enjoy occasionally binging their stuff. Don't know the state of fandom today, but back then I didn't know english very well, and some fans were really rabid to the point of weirding me out a little, when I was a zealous fan myself. Also can absolutley agree on EVH and Hendrix. Throw Malmsteen with them as well, even saying that you're as a guitar player never really listened to their stuff can prompt some people to attack you on a very personal level

[@captainkthebassplayinpirate16]

As an Iron Maiden fan, I can say if you are like me you are emailing the band every day telling them to please come to our city and please play Flash of the Blade

[@frozendilemma]

Great tier list and great video. Since you included black metal, you could have included deathcore and melodic death metal as well. Also, your take on Linkin Park, Limp Bizkit, SOAD, Alice in Chains, Pearl Jam and Cannibal Corpse would have been fun too.

[@Yenneffer]

I think most Manowar fans are very well aware how cringe the lyrics are. We just go with it lol.

[@RamóhanMercader97]

As a Pink Floyd fan I wholeheartedly agree with you. Feel it’s a similar thing with Beatles fans like if you don’t agree that they’re the best band ever you’re wrong. Folk need to get over that

[@xXMachineGunPhillyXx]

A few extra bands I’ll add: Pearl Jam - as a part of this fanbase, we are passionate and devoted.. and kind of obsessive. This can be fun or kind of off-putting. Depends. A tier. Very faithful. RHCP - most are actually pretty cool, but some can be very annoying/defensive. Since it’s such a big fandom there are bound to be stinkers, but overall even though I don’t *love* RHCP their fan base is full of perfectly fine people. B tier, could talk me into A tier but I’m sticking with B. ARTV is a great example of a “good” RHCP fanatic. Creed - very brave people. But so are tight-rope walkers. D. Mike Patton fans - overall good but the kind of guys who’ll tell you that you don’t “understand” every Mr. Bungle album unless you’ve heard them five times. No thank you! Solid C tier. Megadeth - half are B/C tier, the other half are F. It’s volatile. The Doors - we get it. You smoke weed. (Barely) C tier band; D tier fans.

[@someguy7424]

I think you called The Doors, Megadeth, and Mike Patton’s respective fan bases perfectly. I have had bad experiences with douchey, condescending Pearl Jam fans, but I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you’re not one of them. No strong opinion on RHCP fans, as you said, they cover a wide range. As for Creed, they are much like Nickelback in that you don’t see too many outspoken fans, but the haters are so in your face and predictable that it makes you want to respect the band and their fans just on principle.

[@xXMachineGunPhillyXx]

@@someguy7424 somehow the Pearl Jam subreddit is incredibly accepting.. unless you say “I hate Binaural.” But they are in no way toxic to the casual listener or new fan that wants to enjoy the band. I feel like with Pearl Jam and RHCP fans, both bases can be defensive but I think the key difference is that a lot of Pearl Jam fans, due to the band’s driven efforts to cater to their diehards (among them suing motherf*cking ticketmaster to make their tickets more affordable) a lot of them can be powerfully defensive and loyal. Both bands get dissed on social media, but I guess I can understand a fan passionately defending a band that has been actively protective of them (Pearl Jam). I feel like RHCP fans feel similarly - the only reason I dock them a tier is that, like Star Wars or The Dallas Cowboys, there’s SO many of them that the quality inevitably dilutes a little. I also feel like 🌶️ fans can get defensive a little *too* easily, but to be fair that band gets a lot of hate in certain circles. Creed fans and Nickelback fans , if there are any un-ironic ones from WAY back, know that it’s hopeless to really *defend* them, I think. Which is why, for me, antagonizing them is kicking them while they’re down. No point. I’ll spew a relatively mild take and say at least Creed fans can claim a few solid tracks by the band; I have no idea what band people are hearing when they say Nickelback is good. They’ve been **awful** since Silver Side Up - at best.

[@Rose34561]

@@xXMachineGunPhillyXx Im a nickelback fan and lets just the fandom is on par with metallica the elitist are really annoying but a majority are pretty chill about but I will never be elitist because I like a lot of rock and metal bands but elitism sucks pretty bad

[@iliketrains3495]

There's a few toxic RHCP fans, from the Frusciante supremacists to people who defend that one song from Funky Monks (if you're a hardcore fan you'll know which one I mean), but yeah it's a pretty good fanbase overall. And I respect the shoutout to ARTV, I'm a big fan of his and although some of his favourite bands I do have a few issues with his takes on them (i.e. Muse, Brand New, Paramore, all for different reasons), I'd say he's pretty much the blueprint of what an RHCP fan should be. Also, my biggest issue with Patton/FNM fans is their overt hate boner for RHCP. I've never seen a fanbase so dedicated to hating on another band.

[@otrovato_musica]

Hey, I was a fan of the Edgy Doors and I never smoked marijuana, I dislike the smell of it.

[@GNVS300]

I came across a hell of a lot of people in Doors t-shirts back when I worked at a theme park, and they all seemed cool (and most of them were actual fans too). However, I remember a lot of angry comments when some girl did a drum cover of Light My Fire and mocked the too-long keyboard solo in the description

[@JT_5544]

Never understood why some people are so obsessive about a group or artist. There are some bands (Dream Theater for a long time) I wouldn’t check out because the fans were so annoying. Definitely not helping the band in anyway by being completely obsessed like that.

[@futurebreedmachine9302]

Did you finally dig into DT ?

[@JT_5544]

@@futurebreedmachine9302 Oh yeah, huge fan! I've listened to every album at this point.

[@Heatwave9000]

That's a really dumb reason not to listen to bands lmao

[@brockgolden3148]

In my experience, I’ve seen a lot of Queen fans who are SUPER toxic whenever there’s a video of Queen with Adam Lambert. But maybe that’s just me, love the vid 👍

[@hoodiejalen366]

As a 20 yr old new fan of TOOL, I honestly expected you to be on our ass due to our reputation on the internet 😂. Thanks for going light on us and your right about the fanbase having great self awareness about a smaller portion of them being too obsessive and annoying.

[@TheBlackQueen]

As someone who's very active in the Queen fandom, even I wouldn't put us at A, mainly because of the new wave of Teen Girl fans that came after the Bohemian Rhapsody movie. They treat the band more like characters in their comics rather than musicians, and only ever care about the hits. I watched the change in the fandom from before and after the movie and we were so chill before that period and would actually dive into their older more obscure material and recognise the diverse styles into Progressive Rock, Heavy Metal, Folk, Avant-garde, et cetera. Now, you go to any Queen forum (especially Amino), and you're see a bunch of uwu fan art, unfunny comics, and very little music talk (usually about the hits) and whenever someone actually tries to do a deep dive and analyse what made their music so interesting, they seem very disinterested and dismissive of it. Now, the hype has thankfully died down in the years following the film, but it's still the majority of all active Queen forums.

[@gibby8179]

I liked Queen (I don't as much anymore) but holy fuck I always found the memes so atrocious

[@strangecorgi2903]

As an admittedly obsessive Death fan, I was a little disappointed to see that it wasn't on the list. I used to absolutely worship Chuck Schuldiner, even in the midst of me having realized that all of his songs are very very similar, and there was also the whole "idolizing the dead artist" thing, too. I will always love Death and have a special place in my heart for some of their songs, but in general I feel like the fanbase can be very clingy. Maybe not elitist (I knew Chuck wasn't the best thing to ever happen to music, in other words), but definitely clingy.

[@mylerwilson4879]

And they’re very deluded and think he invented the tech death genre when his “influence” is over stated

[@strangecorgi2903]

@@mylerwilson4879 I'd have to agree

[@Babs42]

Love Death

[@NAT-turners-Revenge]

I'm literally wearing a death shirt right now 😂.... I've always found death fans to be very welcoming and intelligent. You've described most hardcore thrash fans I've come across who happen to be big death fans also... who tend to be "clingy"

[@tommiethrash]

“How little skill and practice goes into making that horrible sounding art.” That statement sounds like a person who calls death metal screamo or noise. What a toxic and just completely untrue thing to say. I do agree there is also a lot of elitism and assholes that tend to cover up the good stuff.

[@maggie785]

You should make a prog rock tier list

[@45scienceproject]

Dude I LOOVE Tool and would have put that at about a C at the highest honestly. You definitely gave the suck-segment of the fan base a bigger benefit of the doubt than I feel we deserve but you know. All good regardless. 😁

[@Goku84]

All the slipknot fans I've encounter would be in D or F tiers that the fan keeps me liking their music. They think if you don't love the band its a personal attack on them as a human being, that slipknot invented metal and if slipknot is criticized in anyway its grounds bad mouthing and making personal attacks on you over.

[@NAT-turners-Revenge]

*THANK YOU!* you get it.... they are annoying asf and very emotional

[@TheSuperdodo7]

I agree their fan base is very toxic

[@Jake.Reilly]

Only negative I have had with some Foo Fighter fans is the worshipping of Dave Grohl as this 2nd coming of Christ to music when in reality he is a talented musician who writes mediocre songs.

[@iliketrains3495]

Oh yeah definitely this. It's hilarious when FF fans criticise other bands for being generic and formulaic lol

[@andre22222ful]

For the Dream Theather fanbase I think if you had remember about the guys who are only Mike Portnoy's Dream Theather fans I think it would have landed in an F tier. Is just really annoying that 12 years later they still don't accept the change.

[@williamlanger9229]

This is so damn true. Love Portnoy’s drumming. I prefer his drum sound to Mangini’s (at least on the albums). But people need to get the fuck over it. As somebody who probably prefers him overall, Portnoy fanboys tend to be awful.

[@jamesonecell]

Once said in an instagram comment section probably months ago that as much as I am a rock fan I prefer listening to the Sugarbabes than I do any black metal band and I still get a hateful dm every so often to this day, lovely fan base :)

[@maxadams9368]

I'm a simple man, I see Maynard in the thumbnail and I click

[@coffeeintheface]

That Eagles logo lmao

[@ayreonautc1608]

The most toxic types of fandoms I've encountered haven't necessarily been where they're just obsessive over the bands themselves and celebrating them (such as nerding out over the band members of Iron Maiden or Dream Theater's playing ability... to me, that alone isn't bad since it comes off more as having a lot of passion for them), but more so in the ancillary extensions that erupt and bring a negative vibe from those obsessions (such as Iron Maiden fans putting down Judas Priest, and vice versa for Priest's fans on Maiden instead of appreciating each one's strengths and acknowledging various faults of both, despite having a preference for one over the other... or best/worst album elitism that's very common among Rush and Dream Theater fans within the fanbases themselves... God forbid you prefer one album that's villified over one that's far more celebrated).

[@LongLiveRockAnRoll]

Manowar, Zeppelin and Sabbath are my 3 favourites on this list so I will gladly accept your verdict 😄

[@manifestationsofasort]

I disagree on your take on black metal itself, but I couldn't agree more with your take on the fanbase. I interacted in a black metal space once. The thread was going okay (as okay as a black metal thread could be) when I made the grand mistake of revealing that I was female (I know, shocking). Almost instantly, horrible comments from dozens of incels, everything from fetishistic disgustingly inappropriate comments to guys calling me literal slurs and everything in between. I literally had to delete all the accounts under my previous username because people would search for me on other platforms and harass me there. It was such a bad experience that I basically left metal spaces entirely and now rarely interact, comment etc in any metal space on any platform. Black metal is still my favorite subgenre (with the exception of NSBM) but the experience has certainly soured it.

[@satansfall0760]

Mate, I am sorry you met some bad people. I am a female too, 24yo and Eastern European (Albanian) which has been a diehard black metal fan since when I was 10 but not elitist nor racist...I have to say that I probably didn't get any toxic comments bc I didn't reveal my gender and I have a very male mindset but what surprised me was that I felt very welcomed among behemoth fans and there I even revealed my gender so...well I think there's good and bad everywhere even in bm

[@Josh-lf1im]

I would love to see you and Finn collab on a podcast, if it were possible that would be awesome. Other than that, great content man, keep it up! 🤘

[@blazejecar]

outside of metal, in general the worst fandom ive ever seen has been Dimash's fandom. Every other artist's videos, forums and posts are somewhat civil at least, Dimash's things are just always either a complete dumpster fire or literal god worship, no in between. I've seen 10x more people get banned for Dimash arguments than for anyone else. Absolutely top #1 toxic fandom ever

[@futurebreedmachine9302]

Even worse than Eminem's or K-pop's ?

[@blazejecar]

@@futurebreedmachine9302 I don't think those are as bad, plus kpop at least gets a pass because the average age of a kpop fan must be about 12. You don't really expect it to be much

[@iqbalmuhammad2920]

​@@blazejecar Are you being serious? Kpop fans are so toxic to the extent that they banded together and reported other music video/artist that makes fun of Kpop, until it is taken down/deleted. 😂😂😂

[@blazejecar]

@@iqbalmuhammad2920 Dimash fans are much worse, trust me. On my other channel I got death threats for attempting to cover Dimash. Dimash's threads on various forums are the only ones with warnings in big red letters and more banned accounts than I've ever seen anywhere else. Dimash fans are the most obsessed, closed-minded, aggressive and uncivilized people I have ever seen. Kpop has bad apples too, but not so many and not this bad. And again, Kpop fans are mostly kids and teens, Dimash fans are full adults also in their 30s and 40s. Absolutely pathetic people

[@blazejecar]

@@iqbalmuhammad2920 Dimash fans are incomparably worse. I got d***h threats for attempting to cover Dimash and when 1 guy showed up in my comments and said he actually liked my cover, he got bombarded with 40 hate comments too. Dimash threads on forums are the only ones with big red letter warnings and piles upon piles of banned accounts. Kpop fans can be bad, but nothing on Dimash fans level. Also kpop fans are mostly kids and teens, Dimash fans are mostly adults. Uncivilized, closed-minded, aggressive and unhealthily obsessed people

[@Ldpspace]

Should be nice to see a tier list of fandom from Rock/metal genres

[@The_JustJoshing]

12:00 funny thing, that’s actually Waking The Cadaver’s logo. They are a slam band. Looks kind of black metal-ish though.

[@PhilTheModMan]

I'm not familiar with that band, but the first thing I thought was that that's 100% a slam band logo.

[@The_JustJoshing]

@@PhilTheModMan If slam is your thing, definitely check out their most recent album from last year. It’s not really my thing but this album is killer. One of the heaviest albums I’ve heard in a while kzbin.info/www/bejne/habVnXWFf5eCd6c

[@Gerd0]

I'd be willing to bet Mike just looked up "illegible metal logo" and took one of the first results or something. I knew that logo looked familiar and could have sworn it was theirs, but I flipped through their album covers and didn't see it on anything other than their demo. Do they even use that one anymore?

[@The_JustJoshing]

@@Gerd0 Yeah, they don’t use it anymore. Only on their demo and the Reminisce Cruelty compilation I’m pretty sure.

[@PhilTheModMan]

@@The_JustJoshing It's been a while since I've actively been seeking out slam. That album sure does sound like slam.

[@aintnoisepollution99]

I love watching these fandom videos. I think it helps give me some humility as someone with a tendency to gatekeep and have an elitist mindset. Nice to get a reality check.

[@gregofthelake]

Dream Theater is my favorite band and I'm surprised you didn't put them in the F category. The DT elitists are the worst people I run into. Nothing comes close in their minds and they are more closed minded than a rock. The worst all the college music majors. Band has been around before you were born. You didn't "discover" anything. Yuck. Love the video.

[@moritzheinecke9285]

Using the Waking The Cadaver Logo for Black Metal got me worked up real fast 😂

[@hellsunicorn]

Most of these I agree with you on, probably my only difference is I would also put Nirvana fans in the F-tier. Granted, I grew up during the height of the grunge craze so I saw their cult-like devotees at their absolute worst, but seriously, they were like a bizarre combination of Jehova’s Witness-style obsessive evangelism and full on Deus Vult crusader syndrome. If you listened to older metal during that time period, even if it was the old school, anti-glam stuff out of Exodus or Testament, you were openly mocked and called a phony. Little has changed since, only now there are more casual listeners who have a more laid back attitude about people not liking them, but their “woe is me” Gen X cult following are just as annoyingly obsessive as ever, and I’m freaking part of Gen X.

[@sheacorduroy5565]

Metal band mascot tier list next?

[@ontaka5997]

Some Nightwish fans seem to be toxic but more within the fanbase, mainly STILL arguing about the lead vocalists.

[@LongLiveRockAnRoll]

Was going to say that too. I do prefer Tarja but the level of hate Annette got was pretty bad at times. Most people seem to have accepted Floor at this point but I'm sure there's a few who don't.

[@wdw2540]

@@LongLiveRockAnRoll In MHO, Tarja sounds better in the studio but Floor is a better live performer. Annette simply didn't have the demanding vocal chops needed to pull off Nightwish music live. Nothing wrong with that, because most female vocalists couldn't perform Nightwish music well either.

[@undriftedpop788]

Ok Bob Dylan fan here. Respectfully, saying focusing on story telling is the wrong way to look at music to me just doesn't sit well with me at all. Everyone listens to music for different reason and storytelling is on of the main reason i listen.

[@megalucario4455]

Well bowie was pretty open on who he was and I think people loved and respected him for it

[@MaelstromTheDemon]

"I have never encountered toxic Iron Maiden fans." I have met some REAL toxic Maiden fans in my life, trust me they are out there. As a side note, as a massive black metal fan, while I do disagree with your take on the music, I 100% agree with you on the unjustifiably elitist attitude the fans have. Love me some black metal, but those fans make thrash elitists look tame, don't even get me started on death metal elitists...

[@satansfall0760]

I agree with you man. I've been black metal fan since when I was 11yo but never been racist, elitist or fascist (it would be a paradox since I am eastern european lol) and don't recognize myself with the elitists there. I also love Iron Maiden but not their older fans: they literally asphalted me for saying that I don't hate Maiden latest album. Well I understand that their glory years are gone but they should shut up and leave the younger fans like me have our chance to enjoy some maiden without being criticized everywhere. Do they have nostalgy of the old days where maiden where better? Time for them to lock themselves in their house and listen to their older records.

[@Zebraworm-fj6kn]

As a massive Rush fan who is a millennial, i can agree with the statement that the hardcore elitists and boomers are the ones that sometimes (not all the times) ruin the fan base. From what I know of being to Rush concerts on the R40 tour, there definitely are the crazies, but they are a very small portion of the Rush fandom. I'd put us in bottom A tier.

[@whenfatkillsfat803]

I'm a xennial who's listened to them since 2008 and just turned 42 so I can understand that. The whole "If it ain't dad rock, it sucks!" vibe can get toxic at times.

[@WillieWonka928D]

Also a massive Rush fan, I agree. In my experiences the younger fans like our age tend to be awesome and the older fans its 50/50 either they're super nice and just happy to see someone younger into Rush or they're elitist snobs. Overall its one of the better band fanbases I've been into. I listen to a lot of other prog bands and I've found Genesis and King Crimson fans to be worse in my experiences.

[@gregmcdonald8962]

Consider the Dave vs Sammy discussions and the Van Halen toxicity goes WAAAY the fuck up.

[@RizzlerTwo]

Sucks that Megadeth's fan base isn't in here. Literally some of the most biased and one-sided people in the community. Easy D tier

[@mylerwilson4879]

And there’s A LOT of political illiteracy among the fanbase

[@jenniewilson4286]

Everyone already knows that lol

[@marcen12]

As a Radiohead fan, I find it insulting that you put us in the D ranking when we could be a WHOLE lot lower.

[@scribjelly3713]

"Just because you like listening to it does not make you better than someone else" is ironic for Mike to say haha Nah, your opinions on music are fun and I like your content just poking fun

[@keithcraig9220]

Totally agree with the GWAR fandom. Everyone I have taken to go see GWAR always says the crowd and fans were the friendliest people they have met at a concert.

[@HemiSlant6828]

I don't really care anymore, so...: Chris Cornell was better than Freddie Mercury. Freddie's voice felt unnaturally smooth, in a way it starts to feel a bit unsettling. Chris' voice felt more real and normal.

[@Ronnie.Raymond]

An interesting description of Freddie's voice, but yeah, I'd rather listen to Chris Cornell honestly lol

[@carlapolilla]

Como persona que respeta a Chris y ya está un poco harta de Mercury, tu opinión es muy XD

[@otrovato_musica]

Stop giving stupid opinions