The BoilerMaker Surface by Blichmann Engineering: A Hands-On Review

[@BlichmannEngineering]

We are honored and so thrilled that you took the time to review our BoilerMaker Surface™! We have several folks asking about using it for Sous Vide steak or pork chops? You have a more in-tune understanding of BBQ and grilling...what do you think?

[@BEERNBBQBYLARRY]

I also plan to use it for sous vide for larger cuts or quantities of food. Up till now, I'd either use the BrewEasy upper mashtun kettle to hold the food as shown in this Prime Rib video (kzbin.info/www/bejne/hZO3pKare9yZiM0), use a Spike Solo Mash Basket as shown in this corn blanching video (kzbin.info/www/bejne/iaK1nnl6rrCKgKM), a Grainfather as in these Italian Beef videos (kzbin.info/www/bejne/m3nRcpyZd5tkj5o and kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z4PYZYiPn7-Jl8U), or a sous vide stick as shown in this video (kzbin.info/www/bejne/mYKmnnesYpp9i80). Now, I might be able to getaway only using the Surface due to the ultra low watt element separated by the kettle bottom and not melt my sous vide bags.

[@jpcii]

I am gonna check this out. You were spot on with your assessment of cleaning.

[@BEERNBBQBYLARRY]

I hate cleaning; especially the elements.

[@vectorponder]

How revolutionary! I can’t believe it’s taken so long for a brew kettle like this to come to the market!

[@BEERNBBQBYLARRY]

Right?! Especially with the many almost-in-one systems doing something similar ever since the Grainfather came out in 2014/2015.

[@WillWright2Wheels]

Thanks for this review. I couldn't wait to see it. Was waiting to see your thoughts on this. I appreciate it!

[@BEERNBBQBYLARRY]

You're welcome. I couldn't wait to release this video I had made weeks ago. LOL

[@curtpick628]

I guess when my Anvil dies ill look into this. Nice review Larry.

[@BEERNBBQBYLARRY]

Makes sense. Their Anvil line already uses such a design.

[@BitterRealityBrewing]

Larry, Great job! I knew this had to be what you were talking about, about a month ago when you mentioned something major coming.

[@BEERNBBQBYLARRY]

Yeah. You guessed right. When is your reveal coming? Oh wait. I see it now. I suspected you had one as well.

[@BitterRealityBrewing]

@@BEERNBBQBYLARRY Yeah, I had some last-minute edits, and my brain kept wanting me to call it a BoilMaker instead of a BoilerMaker...it just killed me to realize I did that. (Last-minute changes included pricing and adding some text that G2 systems can't be modified into BoilerMaker Surface systems, as I was told some people had reached out to Blichmann shortly after the launch asking if they could modify their G2 systems.) So, I went from being prepared to racing under the gun to get caught back up.

[@JohnnyReverse]

So, lets talk brew in a bag... Can a bag be on the bottom or would you need some kind of false bottom?

[@ElementaryBrewingCo]

Looks awesome Larry!!!

[@HOMEBREW4LIFE]

That thing looks rad!

[@BEERNBBQBYLARRY]

It’s my go-to kettle from now on.

[@JDs_RandomHandle]

Larry this is awesome, I've been trying to get back into brewing but since I moved for work my gas system isn't suitable for my apartment. I think that I'm going to throw down for this. I have been considering the grain father but this looks like it will be a lot better. Thanks for the honest review.

[@happycampster1]

Thanks for the great review Larry, as always. This new kettle design completely mitigates the issues I saw with the BrewEasy and should make that system really good now. You can now put the vast majority of the wort where it should be - with the grain. Mash temp control might be better too with less thermal mass in the kettle. I agree with your cleaning comments too. My flat bottomed all-in-one is much easier to clean than my Spike kettle with a heating element. Nice review!

[@BEERNBBQBYLARRY]

That’s right. The BrewEasy is definitely one big step closer to perfection now.

[@alexanderbeeser6070]

This looks neat but I still cant help but think this is just a nicer ( and more expensive) grain father with an external controller. Where is the temp sensor on this? Is it built into the base like for example the digiboil?

[@BEERNBBQBYLARRY]

Aside from the way it is heated, it's just a kettle. It's up to you and your process to determine how to measure temperature and how to use the kettle. Mine has a thermometer built into the kettle sidewall, but when I use it within context of my BrewEasy system, the BrewEasy has the temperature probe inline with the recirculation pump/hose.

[@alexanderbeeser6070]

It still looks a whole lot (to me) like a fancier grainfather. I am not sure if the time savings for cleaning offset the possibility of the element going south are worth it having had to replace the board on a brewzilla. And although you dont have an immersion element to clean, i do see scorching on the bottom of my brewzilla so it looks like you are just swapping not having to clean one (the element) for the other (the bottom) I obviously have not used it but I am not entirely convinced that (for the 10 gallon version) this offers a whole lot more than a 240v induction cooktop and a normal boilermaker. I personally ( and other can disagree) that bottom drains would make bigger contributions to reducing hands on cleaning time.

[@jaskats1]

Thank you for the review!! Do you know if the power receptacle can be used with a NEMA L6-30 30A 250V female twist lock connector? Or will I need an adapter? If Blichmann could eliminate all the ports and drain, then this would be perfect for adding to a 3 kettle electric system for a decoction mash. Thanks again!

[@BEERNBBQBYLARRY]

The connection is a NEMA L6-30 at 30A/5500W.

[@jaskats1]

​@@BEERNBBQBYLARRY Thank you! Sorry, I must have misread that in the video at 1:49. Thanks again

[@prestonvoglund]

The power port is an L6-30.

[@redbud.home.brewing]

Good overview as always. But how is this any different than kettles from the all in one brewing systems, like grainfather and brewzilla? And in order to save on cleaning, a bottom drain would be way better. I imagine this kettle is heavier than the regular without heating element, so cleaning still won’t be great … can’t see how people would upgrade from their current kettle with heating element 🤷‍♂️

[@BEERNBBQBYLARRY]

If you already have an almost-in-one system and are happy with it then this isn't something that should interest you. For those that do not have an almost-in-one system and/or prefer to avoid such proprietary systems or just want an electric kettle without any strings attached, this is a great option.

[@BlichmannEngineering]

@@BEERNBBQBYLARRY Correct, this isn't really comparable to the all-in-one systems as it is similar to technology but not suited for multivessel systems and isn't customizable. It's a cut-and-dry option. With this product, we brought the ease of all-in-one cleaning to custom kettles and multivessel systems. In regards to weight, the 10-gallon bare kettle is about 11 lbs. With a boil coil, our 10-gallon kettle weighs about 14 lbs. With our Patent Surface™ element, our kettle weighs about 18 lbs. It's really still very easy to handle even with the surface element. Hope that helps to clarify a few viewers' questions. Great questions and great review, Larry. You are a wealth of information!

[@jrnsolvang8107]

​@@BlichmannEngineering Why not make a malt pipe for this? Then people can add the pump and controller and basically it's an all in one option, if you make a hop filter that fits with the basket. Really don't understand why you haven't done so yet 😅 The grainfather and brewzillas and so on is great, but it's basically just modded water heaters with so so quality. I can just talk for myself, but I don't want to pay the prices they charge for those, and with no or weak handles that break. I bought the OG grainfather, but sold it because it was just not practical, and awkward to empty and clean. Had a Boilermaker G1 that I loved, but for us Europeans that mostly brew electrical, it was not good for not being able to use it on induction. So a blichmann kettle with a basket that matches the quality of your kettles, now that I would not feel cheated for paying overprice for cheap solutions. It's nice that you made this easy to clean kettle, but let's get rid of the other kettle on top for us that don't think it's needed. What I'm really saying is that I want an all in one with your quality 😅 yes, there is the Anvil line, but I don't like the high and narrow format. A wider kettle is just better, and with a pump and controller you can unattach, there is no worry about cleaning, or stupid built in pumps that break or leak, or hanging controllers, or controllers in the bottom that don't like boilovers or water.

[@PartyTimeBrewing]

Looks like a few of them would make a pretty clean setup! The pricing is almost double the cost of the boil coil, but not that crazy if you're buying the brew commander anyway and just look at total price ($150ish extra to get the brew commander and surface setup as compared to a 20g kettle with brew commander and boil coil). Great overview! I kind of was hoping for a huge 5500 watt induction burner by Blichmann, but I guess that can wait. Cheers!

[@BEERNBBQBYLARRY]

Yeah. The price was higher than I was expecting. I don’t understand why I cannot find a 5500w induction heater. Must some constraints I’m not aware of.

[@beeroquoisnation]

@@BEERNBBQBYLARRY Mostly because any commercially available induction plate is going to be 115V. A 220V induction plate is coming in with a 2nd electrical leg is going to come into a limited market, and more exposed liability for the manufacturer.

[@bearcamp]

What if the element dies or no longer works. That is my issues. With a regular TC port element just buy a replacement element and your back in business. Also I feel that the new bottom draining kettles are easier for cleaning, but more expensive. But these are pretty good deal.

[@BEERNBBQBYLARRY]

I've had the same concern and asked them about it a while back. The bonded element is a concern but not as much as a product made overseas and not as much for a well established company. I've asked them about it's reliability. They stated that due to the built-in thermal protection, the simplicity of the design, and that they already do this for their Anvil line, it should not fail. They believe it so much that they offer a 5-year warranty on it.

[@TheBrewQ]

I second this comment. I enjoy the modularity of my current Clawhammer Supply setup. My grainfather had the bonded element as well. Not to knock this kettle as its just another option for those who may find it suitable.

[@JohnnyReverse]

How did it boil / maintain Temps compared to standard heating element?

[@BlichmannEngineering]

In our tests we found it to be a bit faster. It's consistent and holds temps impeccably.

[@BEERNBBQBYLARRY]

I haven’t done any timed tests, but anecdotally, I did not notice any difference in my brew day.

[@JohnnyReverse]

@@BlichmannEngineering thats awesome, very good to know. I am however having trouble trying to see how this is easier to clean with just having the element removed? I can totally see advantages for this, especially for those of us using immersion chillers, but, one is still going to have to lift the darn thing and empty it out. Would love to see some sort of bottom drain/dump option in something like this.

[@jimbalz3017]

I wonder if there's another advantage. Do you think it would eliminate one obstruction for whirlpooling? Did you happen to notice any improvement? That's one problem with the hop blocker that I've noticed.

[@BEERNBBQBYLARRY]

I think whirlpooling would benefit to a degree especially if hand stirring it.

[@JFx08xYT]

Love your videos from UK 🇬🇧

[@BEERNBBQBYLARRY]

Thank you. Glad you like them.

[@carydetloff3310]

Larry thank you. I’ve sold all my electric brewing equipment I’ve been back on a propane burner and coolers going old school again. After all it’s home brew

[@BEERNBBQBYLARRY]

Old school works fine. I still have my old school gear lying around.

[@marklpaulick]

What’s easier to clean.. this or the spike tank bottom drain? I guess if your right next to a sink and can tip this over pretty easy this might be a little easier. I have a bottom drain kettle now and it’s not as easy to clean as it seams.

[@BEERNBBQBYLARRY]

Depends on which hassle you prefer to deal with: 1) Cleaning a gunked up element. 2) Repeatedly turning a large heavy kettle upside down to dump out remaining gunk with each rinse, washing, rinse, etc. I’d like to have both ideally, but given that there is nothing that does both, I choose the ease of not having to clean the element. Plus, without having a floor drain in my garage, the Spike Tank isn’t so useful since it’ll pour all over my garage floor unless I rig up a hose to direct the flow to a nearby low rise pan.

[@joeu071570]

Is the 10-gallon kettle comparable with the Spike Solo 10-gallon basket?

[@BEERNBBQBYLARRY]

I think so but do not have either to confirm; only the 20 gal sizes. Would have to check the dimensions of both kettles to have a better idea.

[@westonw311]

This is a pretty neat kettle and one that would likely be my number 1 suggestion now for those that want to E-brew-in-a-bag. The only "con" for me is I prefer to have a modular setup where I can get off the shelf parts, so the proprietary element in this case makes it not for me. But I know I'm in the minority there and this looks like a really great solution for the majority of people.

[@BEERNBBQBYLARRY]

I agree. I'm not into proprietary systems either. Replacement part availability is a real PITA especially if it is made overseas. The bonded element is a concern but not as much as a product made overseas and not as much for a well established company. I've asked them about it's reliability. They stated that due to the built-in thermal protection, the simplicity of the design, and that they already do this for their Anvil line, it should not fail. They believe it so much that they offer a 5-year warranty on it.

[@jimlewis7938]

Awesome review Larry! Wondering if these can adapt to my breweasy if I plug the holes to the coil? Thanks Jim

[@BEERNBBQBYLARRY]

Thanks. Not sure of your question though. I just swapped out the original BoilerMaker kettle with this Surface one in my BrewEasy. There were no holes to plug. You just need an L6-30 cable for it.

[@Ryan_Mooney]

The Anvil Foundry 10.5g is the same for the most part aside from the electronics, no?

[@BEERNBBQBYLARRY]

They both use embedded elements but are different. This is a multi-purpose kettle while the Foundry is its own brew system.

[@michaelflorez2609]

Is the Surface slower to heat liquids to desired temperatures?

[@BEERNBBQBYLARRY]

I didn’t notice any difference. Never did an actual testing though.

[@FermentationAdventures]

Thanks for the overview! Honestly, if I was going to replace the kettle in my 20g setup, I'd opt for the bottom drain kettle... Getting the trub and hops out of the boil kettle in my basement is the biggest hassle... and being 5'8", the 20g kettle is pretty unwieldy to move around and clean in my laundry sink. I've never had much issue with the heating coils getting clean based on my process. But I really appreciate new innovative products getting release to the market!

[@jphomebrew]

I’m with you. If I was going to drop $800 on a 20 gallon kettle, the biggest improvement to my brew day would be not having to lift it to the sink. The spike bottom drain is better in that regard

[@jphomebrew]

I would like to add, if you are doing BIAB it’s nice to not have the element in the way

[@insaneshadow1]

My next big upgrade will be moving to larger kettles to do 10 gallon batches. I currently use a knockoff grainfather to great success which already has a hidden surface heating element. I use a steam condenser to brew indoors while reducing the necessary wattage. I'd be slightly hesitant to purchase this given how expensive it is, but seeing at its stainless, welded and made in the USA, It's easy to see why it is expensive. At my job, I wouldn't even blink at the cost given how much fabricators cost, but it's a bit different when you're not spending company money ;) That being said, I've upgraded to the Blichmann Tri clamp Riptide per your recommendation and really enjoyed it. I will likely get Blichmann for my next system given their reputation for quality and customer service. I mash and boil in the same kettle by pumping the wort into a separate kettle, sparge, then remove the grain/false bottom and rinse kettle. I started doing this because I didnt enjoy lifting a grain basket out, and I enjoy the benefits of direct heating the mash tun with recirculation. I'm thinking this system could also use their false bottom to achieve the same result? Only thing I need now is a stainless jacketed unitank with glycol...

[@BEERNBBQBYLARRY]

I hear ya. Your process sounds very similar to the budget DIY K-RIMS setup I did here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/npW2hZ-ZpN9qe6s I used a mashtun cooler and recirculated through it via the heated kettle similar to how my BrewEasy works. Perhaps their could be a BrewEasy in your future using one of these new kettles as your boil kettle as I just did in my 'Better Than Bud Light' video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z4XYZq2Ga9Bnfdk I, too, dislike lifting heavy hot mash baskets/bags. This is why I prefer the BrewEasy or a similar two-vessel DIY K-RIMS process.

[@insaneshadow1]

@@BEERNBBQBYLARRY Thanks for the reply! Sounds like a good process

[@greentom9189]

How does it compare to the Anvil Foundry?

[@BEERNBBQBYLARRY]

They’re different things. The Foundry is an almost-in-one brew system while the BoilerMaker Surface is just a kettle to be used for whatever your purposes are for it.

[@MikeS29]

I love my Avantco 3500W 240v induction burner. My kettle IS the heating element 🙂

[@BEERNBBQBYLARRY]

I looked into induction a while back, but could not find one around 5500W to support a 20 gallon brew kettle.

[@GentleGiantFan]

Sweet looking kettle. The price and the bonded element are enough to deter me though. I like the Blichmann Breweasy's small footprint compared to my old school propane based Top Tier, but the stacked msshtun looks like it might be too high for me. Slick setup nonetheless. Great video Larry.

[@candobrew7142]

Curious to know if the hidden heating element is replaceable. Also, how easy the process is and how much the replacement element costs.

[@BEERNBBQBYLARRY]

I asked Blichmann the same question. It is bonded to the kettle and is not replaceable. They said it should not need replacing and are offering a 5 year warranty in case it does.

[@candobrew7142]

@@BEERNBBQBYLARRY No bueno, my friend. So they're simply saying if after 5 years you have a problem with the element, you're SOL. All homebrewers know how Murphy's law works in the brewery. I'm really surprised that Blichmann didn't come up with a solution to replace the element if it goes bad. Also it looks like the reset button is located under the bottom of the kettle. Am I correct on that? If so that will be an SOB if you have a kettle full of boiling wort and you need to push the reset switch. All of us 1st & 2nd gen. Grainfather owners know this all too well. Nevertheless, I enjoyed watching the video. Cheers, buddy! 🍻

[@jakejones4432]

@@candobrew7142 Blichmann just came out with an update - Lifetime Warranty now included.

[@BEERNBBQBYLARRY]

I just watched that earlier today.

[@bigdaddytreevo4120]

Could you BIAB with this setup?

[@BEERNBBQBYLARRY]

Probably. I assume it'll be better than having an element inside the kettle that can melt a nylon bag. The element is underneath the kettle separated by the bottom wall which spreads the heat over a wider area than any element inside the kettle. That would be a better question for Blichmann to answer more affirmatively.

[@jenniferyoung5492]

Yes, you can.

[@BEERNBBQBYLARRY]

@@jenniferyoung5492 Thanks for the confirmation!!

[@beeroquoisnation]

I'll take the TriClamp One Larry. John Blichmann won't mind. LOL. I'll be in the saddle again in week or so once we get to row cultivating. I like the idea for the brew easy. Only problem is my brew easy is a 20 gallon, but it came with 30 gallon pots. That means the minimum for the boil coil is more than the 6 gallons you had to maintain in the lower pot. My 15 gallon rig is triclamp. My 20 gallon rig is camlock. I would love it if they made it in a 30 gallon pot for a 3 vessel addition to my brew easy. Cheers Brother.

[@BEERNBBQBYLARRY]

I think Blichmann has these for larger sizes in their Pro line up. I recall them unveiling this at the Craft Brewers conference last month. You can inquire with them to see. I currently don’t see anything on their website for a 30 gallon kettle.

[@beeroquoisnation]

@@BEERNBBQBYLARRY That ease of clean, and no obstruction for immersion chiller though!

[@BEERNBBQBYLARRY]

@@beeroquoisnation Both are big selling points for me. Others appear to be skeptical from a few of the comments I’m seeing. Some of them are confusing this single kettle for an almost-in-one brew system and comparing it to them incorrectly.

[@beeroquoisnation]

@@BEERNBBQBYLARRY For sure. The boil coil in the kettle presents us with some obstacles to overcome. This kettle is a game changer for existing Blichmann systems. I only used the big system for larger batches obviously. I wouldn't need my smaller rigs if I didn't have to keep the coil submerged.

[@BEERNBBQBYLARRY]

@@beeroquoisnation That’s right. Me too. Now I can easily brew half batches without stressing about submerging the element.

[@packattack2893]

better than Grainfather?

[@BEERNBBQBYLARRY]

IMO, yes. I stopped using my Grainfather for brewing due to all its issues over the years. (I do still use it for other things like sous vide cooking.)

[@packattack2893]

@@BEERNBBQBYLARRY so what do you use now? Between the GF and Boilermaker

[@BEERNBBQBYLARRY]

@@packattack2893 either the Spike Solo or the Blichmann BrewEasy; now leaning more towards Blichmann thanks to this new kettle.

[@chrisinestes]

I was pretty excited about replacing the 20 gallon G2 on my BrewEasy 10 with one of these. But... At nearly $900, and the only part that's likely to fail can't be repaired...??? I see that as a major flaw. I can't do it. I hope Blichmann figures this out.

[@BEERNBBQBYLARRY]

Price ended up being higher that I was led to believe. Knowing that, I’d be hesitant as well. I presume this is targeted towards those that have yet to buy a kettle.

[@chrisinestes]

​@@BEERNBBQBYLARRY I wasn't really surprised at the price of it. Blichmann is high end stuff, so you'll have to pay... and I sure did when I got my BrewEasy 10! :)) What surprises & disappoints me is that it's not fixable. I bought my BE10 just under 2 years ago. I spent around $2600, which was a LOT for me. I can't say if I would have spent the extra $400 for the Surface then, but with it not being repairable, I probably would not have.

[@NWsmallbatchBrewing]

Looks like when you customize it's coming in around $700. Only available in 240 which is a problem for a lot of home brewers only doing 5 gal batches. Also the reset port on the bottom is a bad design. The Mash & Boil used to do that and got tons of complaints because you can't get to it when the kettle is full of boiling wort. It looks more solid and well built than other systems though - for which Blichmann is known. They should make an Anvil cheaper version without the triclamps, and 120V.

[@BEERNBBQBYLARRY]

I have the same concern about resetting the thermal protection. I may do something similar to what others have done where they place these kettles on top of a crate or table with a thru hole to allow access to the reset button. Since I use Blichmann KettleKarts, I might drill a thru hole in the center of the cart to do something similar.

[@BlichmannEngineering]

@NWsmallbatchBrewing Interesting thought about Anvil...stay tuned. :). Preston our Engineering Manager can add to why we specifically designed the reset port placement on the bottom of the kettle. "The reset port is really just protection from dry run. If you run the kettle dry it's already empty. The all-in-ones are subject to some nuisance tripping because they are a much higher watt density element, but we expect this one to not provide any nuisance tripping when there is liquid in it because we are spreading the heat across a much large surface area. It will not scorch like the all-in-ones because of a lower watt density. It’s not made easily accessible because we don’t anticipate anyone needing to use it." Hope that was helpful and please don't hesitate to reach out to us if you have any questions. We are glad to help!

[@tommcgrt66]

nice larry

[@patchworxbrewing4164]

I love your videos man but I disagree with you on this, I personally like the idea of a replacement element. Also I run a pbw solution for fifteen minutes at 160 degree through my kettle after a brew day for cleaning. My element looks perfect after a year of use. I appreciate your review and honesty of the product but I myself don't see its worth it. That's just my opinion, cheers man I always appreciate your videos

[@BEERNBBQBYLARRY]

Sounds like you've had more success at getting them cleaned than I have over the years. However, even if running PBW solution would work reliably for me, that is additional time spent cleaning thus prolonging my brew day that is saved by having this vessel. I agree with the desire for a replaceable element. Has been one of the reasons I'm not too fond of proprietary all(almost)-in-one brew systems. It's a tradeoff of cleaning ease versus risk of the element going bad. Getting older and not wanting to be scrubbing away bent over a kettle, I've chosen ease of cleaning.

[@patchworxbrewing4164]

@@BEERNBBQBYLARRY definitely man, it's all what works for you correct???? I guarantee you one thing with brewing is your opinions on things evolve. It's kind of like when you get a cooler system and think I'll never hi upgrade or change everything is perfect 😂 but you end up changing up things. I've had good luck with my element with pbw recirculation, plus I'm usually doing other things while I'm cleaning the kettle up, but regardless I can definitely see the allure of this new kettle. My opinion might change in a few years but for now I'm happy with my system, either way cheers man I appreciate your channel

[@patrickglaser1560]

I always have too much mash liquor because I don't wanna run the coil dry

[@BEERNBBQBYLARRY]

That problem goes away with this. I can brew high gravity half batches now without stressing.

[@patrickglaser1560]

@@BEERNBBQBYLARRY wish I was popular enough to be sponsored. Went broke getting my .9 barrel brew house purchased before bidenflation hit. =)

[@BEERNBBQBYLARRY]

That’s a lot of potential beer.

[@patrickglaser1560]

@@BEERNBBQBYLARRY wanted to make friends in the neighborhood, but people were just envious... lol

[@kaiser_sose]

Nice! Base 10 g starts at $550, 20 g at $675.

[@GFunKd24]

This product is a step back. Shows how out of touch blichmann is now. It's forcing their great kettles into an all in one territory (non replaceable element) trying to sell ppl on easy clean up when in reality an element isnt that hard to clean with pbw (well, maybe the boil coil is). Try scraping a foundry bottom. Larry, love ya but your positives are - added height and room for storage? "with the boil coil removed save on storage space"😂😂😂 I dont think of that when brewing or my kettle as a storage unit lol the compact and this seem to be missing the mark

[@patrickglaser1560]

Only occasionally do I do anything to my boil coil. The tank and line cleaner I use makes things spotless without effort. Occasionally might scrub the hop gunk off before hand

[@GFunKd24]

@@patrickglaser1560 ya replaceable elements are not really a problem and come with the advantage of being replaced