Beethoven-Liszt - Symphony 3, "Eroica" (I. Allegro con brio) - Cyprien Katsaris Piano

[@KOLAPOLAWSON]

Three geniuses at work here: Beethoven, Liszt, Katsaris. Amazing!

[@Nodalema]

Absolutely incredible! The voicing, the consistent pulse through the most finger-buckling textures. The musicality, the sense of structure. The pianism AND orchestral color. Just absolutely astonishing. Congratulations Mr. Katsaris. I'm quit sure even Liszt himself would be taken aback.

[@carlhopkinson]

These "symphonies" now also rank in the top tier of greatest piano sonatas written as well. LOL.

[@xavipercu]

11:13 I felt it like it was the very first time that I hear something like that! Such a stonishing pianist!

[@tarikeld11]

2:42 typical for Beethoven :D

[@michaels.6397]

Magnificant! Hear and appreciate the work with fresh ears in this piano arrangement.

[@maycallo6354]

作曲家も編曲者も演奏者も凄いですが　ピアノと言う偉大な楽器の存在も　 凄いですよね〜PIANOPIANOPIANO・・・

[@empireentertainmentevents1353]

LISTZ & BEETHOVEN : Amazing talents beyond human understanding!

[@jorgealbertotitoramirez1758]

Si yo puedo tocar esto completo, muero feliz, no necesito mas en mi vida, lo digo totalmente en serio. !Es demasiado, es increíble que se pueda seguir componiendo despues de esto! !No hay palabras para describir lo que es esto, va mas allá de todo lo que nosotros los mortales podemos comprender! !Beethoven compuso música del futuro ya han pasado 200 años y todavía no hemos llegado a ese futuro!

[@vojtechnovak5350]

My favourite classical piece... have to say piano version is very pleasing as well.

[@ez097]

Vojtěch Novák Má též :)

[@hemiolaguy]

This is one of the greatest symphony movements ever. Not to underestimate his wonderful 1st and 2nd symphonies, but the Eroica symphony was the piece where Beethoven became Beethoven. Even though this was the longest symphony movement written up to that time, Beethoven's mastery of musical form over 17+ minutes is astounding.

[@Opuss55]

Its my favorite too

[@MrRjcosta]

Like at least 4 hands, and the nose as an extra finger😊🎹🎼 🎶🎶🎶💛

[@nathanielhunt7467]

Thank you for this!

[@Kris9kris]

If we put this on 1.25x speed, we get Beethoven's metronome markings - as it is the case with all Katsaris's Beethoven-Liszt recordings.

[@Viflo]

Yeah I listen to this at 1,25 as well. I play it at 1 though, that's quite enough for me 😂

[@Kris9kris]

@@Vexalord Yeah, not to mention, Liszt didn’t exactly design these transcriptions around those markings (think of the Trio in the 5th Symphony Scherzo, where the imitative subject theme first appears in octaves played *only by the left hand*.) It’s not surprising since it was standard practice to just ignore the metronomes Beethoven provided starting from mid 19th century up until the advent of HIP in the late 60’s.

[@nickjgunning]

Actually, although he owned one of the earliest metronomes, he didn't use it. These markings have been added by subsequent editors; Beethoven was more concerned about getting the expression right than strict tempo. Liszt was also taking into account the dynamics of the piano. Of course, instruments of Beethoven's life time were distinctly less powerful and less sustaining power until op78 onwards and at the period when liszt composed the early transcriptions, so perhaps the late 19th century metronome markings aren't truly authentic.

[@Kris9kris]

@@nickjgunning “These markings have been added by subsequent editors”. In terms of historical revisionist theories, this one is pretty out there, since these metronome markings have survived to posterity in Beethoven’s own hand as well as extensive written correspondence between him and his publisher about it. “Beethoven was more concerned about getting the expression right than strict tempo” This is also demonstrably untrue, in fact, Beethoven was on record proclaiming that he attributed the successful British premiere of his 9th Symphony to Sir George Smart’s adherence to his metronome figures.

[@nickjgunning]

@@Kris9kris you're confusing tempi with metronome markings. How can (crotchet symbol)=64 be identified as being in Beethoven's handwriting? His reference to the tempi being successful is just that, I don't suppose Beethoven heard performances of many symphonies by other conductors. Obsessing about metronome markings should be left to those who sit at concerts poring over a miniature score rather than those who enjoy music. When asked by a performer of a quartet what he thought of the tempo, Brahms replied that his was excellent. The last word on this obsession.

[@TurquoiseStar17]

This is beautiful! Liszt would have only been 16 when Beethoven died, plus his hearing would have completely gone by then, otherwise I'm sure they could have made a great duo.

[@blabla5268]

Young Liszt actually met Beethoven, as Czerny was his (Beethoven‘s) student and Liszt was Czerny‘s

[@nikolaikotsifas4484]

9:12

[@charlesbluett8195]

this is stupidly good

[@zacharyroth1364]

awesome

[@LudwigvanBeethoven2]

Looks like he got 4 hands

[@itsjustnopinionok]

At least 4

[@samuelestievano6481]

@@itsjustnopinionok you mean "at Liszt" lol

[@MrRjcosta]

Indeed

[@Till3142]

At 10:18 he's not playing the notes on the sheet, is he? Anyway, great recording of a fantastic piece of music.

[@Marco1281]

Yes true. Katzaris added extra notes but to fit the real orchestral partition the sharpest way

[@phlaxyr]

4:20 I noticed also Katsaris played extra notes (F) on the octaves.

[@NurseDavis]

Katsaris? Wow, very, very nice

[@caterscarrots3407]

I myself have looked at the Liszt transcriptions of Beethoven's 3 most famous symphonies and their difficulty seems to be in this order: 1. Ninth Symphony aka Choral Symphony - Tons of melodic octaves and difficult to play harmonies + Fast tempi(especially the Scherzo, my favorite movement of Beethoven's Ninth) 2. Third Symphony aka Eroica Symphony - Looks easier on the surface than say the Fifth Symphony, but requires a ton of fast pedal action to pull off solo, needs a duet to get close to the orchestral sound 3. Fifth Symphony aka Fate Symphony - Looks more challenging than it actually is. Most challenging bits are the few examples of tenths(for example an F minor chord being spread out to F, C, Ab, across the span of a tenth, which I personally condense to F, C, F in the span of an octave, because that alone will in context, sound like F minor, no Ab needed) and the diminished sevenths that include the root an octave higher(I find that to be a very uncomfortable position and I generally take out one of the diminished seventh notes to make the octave more comfortable(Enough of the diminished seventh sound comes across with only 3 notes + an octave)) I personally can play the Fifth Symphony transcription very easily, but the Eroica and the Ninth Symphony, I struggle with, and not because I'm not advanced enough(even when I slow it down considerably for practice, I still struggle).

[@openclassics]

5. Symphony is for children‘s piano. So don’t boast with it!

[@Emerald1997.9]

So this is love❤❤

[@QRSC-fh2ob]

Woah!

[@padraicfanning7055]

11:28 That damned hornist! Can't he count? It sounds frightfully wrong.

[@farrelpermadi5471]

Symphony No. 6 5th Mvt is influenced by this

[@jcl9792]

6:56

[@gracet2054]

6: 17 start of development?

[@gracet2054]

11:34 recap

[@ahmedazizrafiq]

This is when technology was manual and talent was being engraved into the brain from childhood, I would call it the positive hardship when forcing in childhood harvests after growing up. I'm from Middle East and had a tiny portion of that hardship comparing to those alike this great pianist.. I wish that childhood forcing (by parents) was given somewhat to music, I would've been a good (merely good) pianist comparing to this supernatural human being...

[@davidcarter3049]

We have a whole lifetime to master what we love..I’m 49 and started learning this last week. It doesn’t matter if it takes 10 years.. watch Rubinstein performing Grieg’s piano concerto at 91 years old. It takes 20 years to become a master pianist. Yes, it’s easier if you are 3 and a child prodigy. Part of mastery is the challenge, the journey, the self development. The piano is an amazing vehicle for this at any age

[@esthershin9690]

overwhelmingly jealous.

[@alexandrestruve7615]

Dommage que le pianiste soit adepte de la scientologie. Il a de bon points de vues sur la musique en general.

[@f1livenews2023]

This must be 2 pianists, at least in some sections

[@pianista-mediocre]

Nop. Katsaris recorded this on video, if you don't believe it

[@frankromano9064]

I saw him play this in NYC in 1986, easily the best concert I ever attended.

[@colinmurphy2214]

Not enough guts!

[@makytondr8607]

Paul Morphy checkmate...

[@hansmuller1846]

There's no doubt Katsaris is a master, I just think this piece doesn't go well with piano at all... It just needs an orchestra.

[@LudwigvanBeethoven2]

Tell me this is not an piano orchestra 16:49

[@DanielLopez-zt4ig]

I thought you wrote Karajan. :D

[@arionthedeer7372]

♫♪Ludwig van Beethoven♪♫ “this is not a piano orchestra”

[@f.p.2010]

@@arionthedeer7372 bruh no

[@avalon1209]

@@arionthedeer7372 r/iamverysmart

[@muslit]

The interpretation is lacking.

[@frankromano9064]

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[@charlottewhyte9804]

awful

[@notme437]

State your opinion more clearly, if you please.

[@jeanmariemelot]

​@@notme437Maybe he spoke about himself ?

[@davidecirillo9675]

9:00

[@yoshi_drinks_tea]

I was looking for this moment thanks