"This Universe Existed before The Big Bang" ft. Roger Penrose

[@BeeyondIdeas]

Watch part 2 of this series 👉 kzbin.info/www/bejne/f2XUpZKAg8ato80

[@nastybadger-tn4kl]

Stupid religious nonsense is big bang. These people forgot the word called "CYCLE"

[@nastybadger-tn4kl]

There is no SPACE TIME. Its all cooked up. We just dont know. A placeholder theory is ok but we are going opposite side.

[@vacaloca5575]

@@nastybadger-tn4kl Absolutely. Traveling through time is an illusion and space inflation is a myth.

[@drago22x]

Could some cosmic inflation events be caused by two universes/cosmic bubbles coming together and merging into one? Could that explain some of the ages of galaxies, stars, and blackholes?

[@drago22x]

Also, what if fluctuating, vibrating, and spinning electromagnetic fields interacting with, and encompassing each other in one way or another, are what causes the EFFECT we call gravity? We, and everything around and under us, create our own electromagnetic fields, and of course, our fields would be weaker and smaller than the Earth's electromagnetic field, which entirely encompasses ours. Thus electromagnetically holding us to the Earth's surface, and creating the effect we feel as gravity.🤔🤷🏽‍♂️

[@langolier9]

Watching this, reminds me how super intelligent human being as can be and then I watch politics and realize how incredibly stupid human beings are at the same time

[@richardcraniumXLVII]

ha ha .. sometimes IT DOES go the other way ...

[@deadbrothers8348]

It’s ego driven dumb people that strive to be in charge or in leadership positions

[@Smarthalayla]

Don't worry. This "This Universe Existed before The Big Bang" theory here will collapse as the other do all the time.

[@mletouutube]

You got the answer to politic in your question and it is called geniocracy.

[@davidconlee2196]

To borrow a phrase an old demotivational poster about meetings, this is because none of is as stupid as all of us.

[@innerverse1809]

Honestly. Since I was a boy, the big bang has never penciled out to me, the idea of a starting point seems so absurd somehow.

[@JBurns253]

Agreed, and the thought of nothing existing before the “big bang” always caused my brain to error out.

[@simonflorey5428]

Maybe it's always existed , therefore it wouldn't need a beginning.

[@bdgrandin]

Agreed, I always considered it as this is the best we know right now but it obviously couldn’t be the full story at least to me that has always been my take on it. Good thing about science is once better information comes along it gets incorporated and new understandings and solutions can come out. And if you understand how science works, it makes you happy. Cause our understanding has now grown. 🎉

[@na1edawg]

If no starting point is equivalent to having been around forever, then reaching this point is like starting at 1, counting up and reaching infinity, it can't happen. Hence there must be a start, not that the big bang has to be that start. Personally I'd be really surprised if the big bang was in fact the start

[@Cuckold_Cockles]

I think it's our sentience which allows us to ponder the pervertedness of such an idea. Well, obviously... it wouldn't occur to use otherwise. But yeah "chicken or the egg" "something from nothing" personally I don't think it will ever make sense. Not now, not in 100 years and not even in 10,000. Sci fi has conceived of crazy creative concepts. But I don't think sci fi writers could even coin a fathomable world in which there is a logical, comprehensible answer. I think the whole universe is incomprehensible. It's both depressing and uplifting (for the sake of denial of religion at least) but it terrifies me. "Create your own meaning for life" what a crock of shit. Maybe I'm needy....but I just wanna know wtf we're doing here, and not the human species, but wtf molecules are even doing here.

[@Dr.scottcase88]

I have an insatiable appetite for this type of material. As I’ve said, on other similar websites on this topic, wouldn’t it be great if after we pass away, our consciousness continues on, and all is revealed to us finally once and for all. Peace.

[@laurentaylorhamilton]

would be the ultimate dream ❤

[@clay5693]

Sounds like religion to me.

[@bryanergau6682]

Does your immortal consciousness have to endure eternity to get those answers?

[@DailyCorvid]

_=Christianity_

[@DailyCorvid]

This is the part where the crowd sights and you say you're asking the wrong question, right? Lol. Still the best 'doomed' film ever.

[@Tasorius]

Way too many people believe that the big bang was the beginning of space and time and matter and existence itself, and ignoring the fact that if there was ever literally nothing in existence, then nothing could ever have started existing...

[@benpietrzykowski9216]

Yea no shit, but still doesn’t explain how something started . If it wasn’t the Big Bang , what started tht and so forth . I don’t really understand the point of your comment g sorry not trying to be rude

[@Tasorius]

@@benpietrzykowski9216 The point is that maybe there wasn't a beginning at all. If the Cosmos was ever literal nothingness, then it would still be nothing but empty darkness. But since things exist, the Cosmos should always have existed. A beginning makes no sense. It only exists as an idea because the reach of our vision is limited. Everything we are able to see is within the range of our big bang. We can neither see what was here before, because the big bang destroyed it, nor can we see what is beyond it, because it's too far away. Some people interpret that lack of vision as proof of the big bang being some sort of creation event, but there is no proof of it. Just an absence of proof of other things. Though our existence is proof enough that we don't have the full picture. We may just have a fragment of the full picture. Some scientists say that the universe might be infinite, and I tend to agree with them.

[@davidhess6593]

​@@Tasorius Some engineers say that too. You can't get something from nothing.

[@JasonJason-r7u]

The current expansion of our universe suggests that space is still growing. Meaning something is still creating space. You can get something from nothing. It happens in the form of a wave frequency. Like 1=0=-1. This simple equation creates two values from absolutely nothing. But the odds that our observable universe is an originating point is not likely. There was a massive explosion. The age of galaxies shows this as they differ from the center to the outer edges. Maybe there was a gigantic blackhole that finally popped after consuming everything, including it's surrounding relevant space itself. But if something is still creating space the only other ingredient required to make anything is time. Suggesting time could be a wave function and have more properties than just measuring movement.

[@Amatsuichi]

@@benpietrzykowski9216 its a human way of thinking to assume everything has to have a beginning and an end... we just cant comprehend how it could be different

[@dianedong1062]

I've always thought it made more intuitive sense that the universe is some sort of cyclical process. Sadly, it's rare to find anyone to talk to about it.

[@THE-X-Force]

There are many physics, cosmology, astrophysics, etc. related subreddits. Reddit gets a bad rap all too often. There is good and bad there, just like everywhere else that has a lot of people on a platform, but there really is a subreddit for everything, and you will find some of the most expert people in any field of study actively participating there. ☮

[@Rishi123456789]

I haven't watched the video yet, but as a Hindu, I completely agree with Roger Penrose that this universe existed before the Big Bang. According to the ancient religion of Hinduism, Brahma (the creator of this universe in Hindu mythology) created this universe 155 trillion years ago and this universe will exist for a total of 311 trillion years. And when Brahma dies, this universe will 'die' along with him. Then a new Brahma will be born who will create a new universe to take the place of the old universe. And this process continues forever, without a beginning and without an end. Hinduism also teaches that there are an infinite number of universes and each of those universes (including our own universe) experience an infinite cycle of 'births' (which you can call 'Big Bangs' in a modern scientific way) and 'deaths' (which you can call 'Big Crunches' in a modern scientific way).

[@lethalwolf7455]

This is the Oscillating Universe Hypothesis

[@fractuss]

Why talk about ideas and concepts when we can complain about gay beer?

[@barneyronnie]

​@@THE-X-ForceBecause of hyper - egotistical mods with delusions of Godhood😅!

[@lellesunk]

What if our Big Bang just was a VERY old black hole that exploded? This happened in an old infinite universe as a local happening. Now we begin to see stuff from the older universe, outside of our Big Bang.

[@throbalot]

Or black holes are portal veins emptying out the old universe into a new universe

[@mikeroberts7411]

That presupposed black holes explode, when the math tell us they dissipate as their entropy increases.

[@bmmaaate]

@@throbalot My theory is that black holes are negative suns, the suck in the energy from this universe and use it as fuel to light up another universe. So even if you could survive the crushing you would emerge at the centre of a star.

[@BasszusX]

Watch “Primer Fields”, and then you’ll forget black hole fairy tales. Time for a next chapter. You are welcome!

[@jessecole9277]

i love that@@bmmaaate

[@zin_dnz]

I don't believe any human being will ever have the answer of how everything came to be but these breakthrough sure makes everyone wonder

[@tmo4330]

Just read Genesis.

[@jayclayton1694]

​@@tmo4330ha ha brain dead

[@diGritz1]

I really hope your prepared for this. An answer to your current musings as well as any you might have................ 42

[@SarahSchlongfeel]

​@@tmo4330 Lol, ah yes. Genesis, the book that contradicts itself in the 2nd chapter. 😂 No thanks, I'll stick with real science.

[@golden-63]

@@tmo4330 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Shadow-1949]

A amazing thought could be a replay of our human experience being replayed over and over using a blank consciousness being replayed with same or different outcomes because you can’t get something from nothing . It might be something that some call a soul ! I find it possible and amazing

[@cepamor]

The most real thing about life, and for that matter all of existence, is that as much as we believe ourselves to know, we don't know Jack. 😮

[@bigscores7237]

A cat doesn't understand how an ignition coil works because it never evolved to understand mechanisms completely outside its life course.

[@NormYip]

I haven't heard of the bounce theory, but being a recent meditator, I wonder if the universe is "breathing", thereby both contracting and expanding, perhaps even simultaneously depending on where one is positioned. I can see the universe as a larger living organism, not simply a reaction to an event. To the creator of this video, the production and editing is superb, and so is your voice.

[@ulrichenevoldsen8371]

Nice idea😊

[@Ekam-Sat]

Yes. Seems you are ready for the big league. Have you read the Spandakarika? You will like it. Second option is the Pratyabijñāhṛdayam but start with Spandakarika for it aligns with your realization. Fair warning. You won’t be listening to Penrose anymore.

[@Revy8]

I think applying earth/life concepts to something we understand so little about is a logical fallacy. However, since none of will ever know, I suggest believing in whatever brings you peace.

[@jacobwatchata182]

😊🎉😊😊

[@jacobwatchata182]

😊😊

[@allanlee9520]

Energy cannot be destroyed nor created, it only cycles and expands. It is infinite, like the universe because the universe is infinite energy. Matter and energy to be exact. Now figure into the equation the laws of thermodynamics. This was an awesome post. Thanks.

[@vhawk1951kl]

Whatexacly are you calling "the universe"? You have not the faintest idea? This you are about to demonstrate.

[@allanlee9520]

@@vhawk1951kl The universe is everything that exists, including all space, matter, energy, and time. It includes Earth, the Moon, the planets, their moons, asteroids, comets, and the Sun. It also includes all radiation and all other forms of energy. Scientists estimate that the universe is about 13.8 billion years old. They believe the universe is still expanding outward, but the exact size of the universe is unknown.

[@allanlee9520]

@@vhawk1951kl Current models say that about 68% of the universe is made up of an unseen repellant force called "dark energy". That leaves only 5% of the universe that is visible to us. And now astrophysicists theorize that the immense expansion of the empty vacuum we call space still continues beyond the observable universe that we know of now.

[@vhawk1951kl]

@@allanlee9520 which like all universals *can* only be imaginary. It is axiomatic or definitional that that all things embraces all thing which of course none can directly experience thus can*only* be imaginary if particular instances of it are not; X you may experience, but all* X's can *only* be a creature of or image/idea in, the dreaming or associative apparatus, or mind or head brain, which is why it is probably wisest best or safest to avoid universals.

[@allanlee9520]

@@vhawk1951kl interesting. Do you mean to say that reality can only be first imagined before it becomes a reality? I've never studied or investigated from that perspective. Interesting nonetheless.

[@hhvictor2462]

It's the vastness of space that is super mind boggling.

[@Typon]

the vastness of the quantum world is mindblowing

[@4gegtyreeyuyeddffvyt]

Only mind blowing if you think you’ll ever be able to understand it .

[@kasparov9944]

Your mind is bigger than a billion universes

[@SOLDbyYOU]

Infinity times infinity…. Is actually redundant… Just like “ multiverse”…. All times ALL…. ISNT MORE THAN …ALL

[@emitissimo7618]

It's an illusion. It's not as vast as it appears.

[@walkabout16]

In cosmic whispers, secrets untold, Roger Penrose's theories unfold, 'Twas he who dared to boldly claim, This universe, a pre-Big Bang flame. Before the bang, ere time's debut, Penrose's thoughts, a cosmic view, The cyclic dance of space and time, A prelude to the grand design. In hidden realms where physics lay, He stirred the fabric, found a way, A cosmos vast, beyond our ken, A universe that's born again. His concepts spin in cosmic swirls, Beyond the scope of mortal pearls, Eternal cycles, each one vast, A theory poised, though in contrast. This universe, a grand encore, Before the bang, then more and more, An endless loop of space's grace, A pre-Big Bang celestial embrace. In Penrose's mind, a canvas grand, A universe we can't understand, Yet in its beauty, we behold, A tale that's ancient, yet untold. The cosmic dance, the timeless song, Echoes of a realm where we belong, Penrose's visions, they gently chime, This universe, existing beyond time.

[@margoyoder5657]

... in its Beauty we behold...

[@Rishi123456789]

I haven't watched the video yet, but as a Hindu, I completely agree with Roger Penrose that this universe existed before the Big Bang. According to the ancient religion of Hinduism, Brahma (the creator of this universe in Hindu mythology) created this universe 155 trillion years ago and this universe will exist for a total of 311 trillion years. And when Brahma dies, this universe will 'die' along with him. Then a new Brahma will be born who will create a new universe to take the place of the old universe. And this process continues forever, without a beginning and without an end. Hinduism also teaches that there are an infinite number of universes and each of those universes (including our own universe) experience an infinite cycle of 'births' (which you can call 'Big Bangs' in a modern scientific way) and 'deaths' (which you can call 'Big Crunches' in a modern scientific way).

[@Lotus1001]

I see this Poem and immediately recognize ChatGPT

[@memitim171]

@@Rishi123456789 As soon as I heard the theory my first thought was "Oh boy the Hindus are going to love this one!" 🤣

[@memitim171]

@@Lotus1001 It's getting better, I thought it was quite good!

[@quatra1000]

When I was young I read somewhere that "There are things that are hidden and not to be known". That certainly impressed me.

[@desert_rose7171]

In due time, all that is hidden will be revealed.

[@rogerjohnson2562]

And you believed it... If you believe in limitations they will be real.

[@timspiker]

@@rogerjohnson2562 Well I believed I could fly, so I got on a swing and jumped off when my swing reached the highest point. I fell like a brick and broke my left arm. Sometimes understanding your limitations can be surprisingly helpful and I wished I'd read that line and taken it into consideration before I got on the swing.

[@user-alin10]

@@rogerjohnson2562 You watch too much success stories

[@msaintpc]

A more accurate truth is "There are things that are hidden because no one has found them yet". Given enough time and opportunity the human mind can find anything it looks for and can do anything that it can figure out how to do. Msaint- 12/11/2023, 2:33 PM.

[@1pierosangiorgio]

"extremely hot, but super dense", that reminded me of a former girlfriend.

[@RobinWood-it6id]

This is the best I ever heard in all my life - and I'm 80 - thanx brother :))

[@PaulC-ss5uo]

​@@RobinWood-it6idhopefully they're not all like that, but that's definitely a good one.😅😅

[@VindensSaga]

hilarious sexist and misogynist joke, laughing so hard, very funny.

[@doesnotreadreplies6853]

@@VindensSaga Cry about it, won't change that it's funny

[@Hack3r91]

@@VindensSaga A statement a former girlfriend is somehow "sexist and misogynist", ok dude.

[@russpaxman3660]

The concept that the universe had a beginning seems so limiting that it could only come from the human mind.

[@chrisstrebor]

Ya I don't agree with it at all.

[@evanpaluch6190]

That’s deep.

[@timnoyes9892]

I think you can blame that on fear and religion. They say it must have been created by God. If you ask who created God they will blindly answer that God was always there. But they can't apply the same logic here.

[@TheEnigmaUniverse-vt2pm]

"Love stuff like this to fall asleep to. (Not in a bad way) Has to have the right kind of voice👍"

[@modestben]

You should listen to Alan watts he has the best voice

[@janscott602]

People forget that the “light” phase of a universe (where things are visible) is, ultimately, just a brief flash followed by infinite eons of complete darkness (where only black holes exist). Only when the last black hole evaporates does the universe reboot.

[@439530]

Maybe the fabric of space starts to shrink towards the end

[@rogerjohnson2562]

If you believe in evaporating black holes...

[@raducimpian5931]

@@rogerjohnson2562 Evaporating black holes is called Hawking radiation...if thats fake, wouldnt other things be as well

[@rexrickard6333]

​@@rogerjohnson2562its proven

[@itchynail]

the mistake here is that you think of time as of something "objectively" existing outside of a man's consciousness. So when you say eons of darkness filled with black holes you implicitly mean that there is still some clock ticking somewhere measuring "objective time". This notion of time starts from the beginning of the new age. Time has nothing to do with the clock. If there is no witness (or active intellect) there is nothing left that can be observed or predicted.

[@timothyvaher2421]

A new gift from our Creator, this group of individuals who created this channel. Thank you immensely!

[@BeeyondIdeas]

Our pleasure!

[@thomas-gw3xf]

OMG he [A CONCEPT IS NOW A HUMAN] IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHY RELIGION is evil - religion is acreation long before jesus to control the masses as it was more brutal yet more efficient than huge armies doing it ==== god and religion are two concepts having no connection other than that assigned by humans to use as suppression and oppression of the masses - knowledge has a way of destroying delusion - knowing that the universe became what it is with no factual data to explain doesn't give religion the right to use god as a tool for the suppression the oppression and wielding of violence of humans if they don't accept religion as having the right to do because some tie two concepts as being the same ---- religion uses evil as a way of bringing in the flock to receive the churches "goodness" thus their oppression of humanity to gain riches for adultrating the world of humans ----- there can be no religious "goodness" if there is no religious evil to push you in !!!!

[@_FightForYourFreedom_]

Amazing that the additional information gathered by JWST is sparking a rethinking of so many long-standing theories. I cannot wait for the next generation of telescope (whether space-based, on the moon etc) which one would hope increases resolution by 10x or more, and hopefully enable us to start getting some highly likely answers, instead of more questions.

[@sj6986]

Sorry to break it to you but the JWST is actually validating the Big Bang theory. Roger Penrose for all his keen intellect and brilliance isn't doing science any favors by the way he's peddling the "Conformal cyclic cosmology".

[@TyranasauruzFlex6669]

Unfortunately, some questions will never be answered. With any answer comes countless more questions and no matter how hard we try, we will never get to the end of that proverbial rabbit hole. When you begin to delve into quantum physics this truth becomes painfully evident.

[@TyranasauruzFlex6669]

@@sj6986 It doesn't really matter. Neither are correct. Obviously I don't have the answers but neither does any other human being. No matter how intelligent one is, no matter how many equations one can solve and theories one can make, this is a question without an answer that we will ever comprehend, let alone "solve" so to speak. If a human being theorized it, you can probably safely assume it's false no matter how much data one may think they have supporting their argument.

[@KenjiEspresso]

Nope

[@project-unifiedfreepeoples]

It shatters my way of contemplation knowing that despite the advanced technology and understanding of multiple colleges, we still go by the findings of very old astronomers that used single lense telescopes to make their claims. Anyone else curious as to why that is?

[@SuperSpacesurfer]

Good on you! Stay alert keep thinking and stay critical. So much misinformation in the world and in higher education as well I believe. Sometimes it's very inconvenient to embrace truths then a lot of other theories and thesis depending on old accepted ones. som many others would fall as well if new science and research showed so much old science to be wrong. Many institutions although calling themselves scientific rather keep up the face and old truths than to explore new ones. My few cents anyhow.

[@project-unifiedfreepeoples]

@SuperSpacesurfer your level of attainment is great. I am pleased to share ideas with another thinker. I can only speculate that you also treasure alone time to truly focus on ideas in a meditation or silent contemplation. Blessed be your days and prosperity follow you forever.

[@mikecorcoran6834]

We are as smart as an jellyfish when it comes to what we think we know.

[@maddogtannen6984]

A jellyfish

[@mikecorcoran6834]

@@maddogtannen6984 😜

[@llee888]

How smart is a jellyfish?

[@jaybird4571]

Thanks!

[@BeeyondIdeas]

Thanks for your support!

[@pairashootpants5373]

This video blew my mind and als9 comforted me. It makes more sense that there is a cyclical nature to the universe considering we see this in everything we observe in the universe. From our planet, to Sagittarius A* black hole at the center of our galaxy, and in every other galaxy we see their spin and orbital mechanics which demonstrate observable and even predictable phenomenon. There is no reason not to believe the universe is performing some beautiful dance of its own...spinning around and/or orbiting some equally massive and unique universe.

[@RachaelMorgan-om4xw]

Of course that makes perfect sense 🙂 but I can't resist mentioning Kylie and her golden hot pants 🤭

[@vhawk1951kl]

what are you calling" the universe"? "We" being you and which specific identifiable interlocutor?

[@pairashootpants5373]

@@vhawk1951kl the universe in which we exist and make observations.

[@vhawk1951kl]

@@pairashootpants5373 Which is of course imaginary albeit that particular or specific instances or examples of it are not. All universals are obviously necessarily imaginary in that they cannot be experienced. *An* X can be experienced *all X's can only be imagined, but that is simply obvious -if not to some so it is a species of shiboleth. It is rather sweet how the dreamers speak of the " observable universe" but they are conceptual cretins and never look inside or behind the words they use, as if the universe could be " observed" but the poor lambs have no idea that the absurdities they utter are absurdities, having conditioned or programmed or as they say " educated" to believe rather than to question or even examine or be aware of, their preconceptions or religion, so why might they poor lambs? They are only conditioned to parrot not understand anything.. It is surely plain to you that*all* universals(to coin a phrase) must needs be imaginary and your famous " the universe" not only also, but par excellence.

[@BuckyB81]

No straight lines ....cyclical is what it is.... nothing becoming everything... fuck off... what a load of bollox....

[@dredgerivers7730]

Once everything completely spreads out and cools, the farthest reaches of our situation can become the dimensionless small point that explodes to make the next one.

[@Remember-Death]

It becomes a "seed" that eventually turns into a fully-grown "tree."

[@rogerjohnson2562]

???

[@dougtsax]

If you are just sitting there dreaming, then anything could be anything. We could all come back as cats in a cataverse.

[@tommytrombone]

@@dougtsax That seems less likely than what @dredgerivers7730 proposed.

[@ethancoster1324]

There's nothing there though but photons? Are we but compressed light?

[@Revy8]

I think time is a product of this universe. It may be impossible for us to understand what a universe without time would look like

[@drewj4297]

A universe without time would be a universe without events.

[@youtubebane7036]

The universe without time is impossible if there is space in the universe time and space are linked as you know they call it the time-space Continuum but there's a fundamental logical reason for this outside of this calculations in mathematics and that is if you have space and the space is capable of holding matter and there is such matter inside of it then unless this matter is going to be every place in space that it happens to go all at the same time you would need time to rate instances of happening to the mattress can have locality and not be in all places at once. Furthermore to travel from one place to another is a certain interval of time that is mandatory for this distance to be traveled otherwise it is impossible. As instantaneous travel is impossible that's teleportation best way to travel outside of the universe like wormholes and other things and there is possibility of teleportation but what I'm talking about is classical movement through space this is the only possible because of time just like having locality in space is only possible because of time what time alone is not sufficient to produce these effects as time alone is a Continuum dislike space the time must have another Forester influence working upon it to give it discreet singular chunks that we call the present moment or the present moment of now. And the only thing that can do this and actually experienced it mind acting in time as consciousness giving a locality in the temporal Infiniti are continuum turn allows locality to happen in the spatial Infiniti or continuum

[@leostgeorge2080]

@@youtubebane7036Time is a manmade unit of measure. Humans invented time long before Einstein needed it to make his math work. Before he coined the term spacetime. Expansion would still occur without time. Everything would go on as it does. Time is a convenience invented by man. Nothing more. It's needed by man to meet up with another and for logistics. To pinpoint a spot on a map. For navigation. This in no way makes time a part of nature or the nature of things.

[@leostgeorge2080]

Time is a manmade unit of measure around long before spacetime was coined. It was invented to make life easier for humans. Thats all. Nothing more.

[@youtubebane7036]

@@leostgeorge2080 time is absolutely intrinsically linked to existence my friend real-time not the units that we use to measure it without time there would be no way to have locality within space any word that you have been or anywhere that you are going to be you would be at the very same time and all those places without time to cause you to have one locality good for them or you would not build the move through space without time because it takes a certain amount of time to move and Consciousness depends on time because Consciousness is linear progression of events and awareness and without this you don't have a conscious awareness in the same fashion. But time is not the only thing that drives the expansion of space but it is one of the things that does. The main thing that drives the expansion of space is the fact that the origin of all things which is absolutely nothing this is actually the largest of all things and it's an impossibility because absolutely nothing this is a paradox because the information that exists describing what absolutely nothingness is would still exist which means an absolute nothingness cannot exist. And since it cannot exist that means it's something I said it's the only thing there is that means it's infinite yes absolutely nothing this is far larger than infinity but there's nowhere for this extra to go since Infinity is already infinitely large. Thank God there's another option in the form of the second duality while the first Duality is nothingness and infinity the second Duval as he is nothingness and something which is the opposite of nothing but it's not as large as Infinity so there's room for it to grow does the extra energy that's Infinity cannot store that come from nothingness is what drives the expansion of not just the universe but all things

[@neimanmario]

Those who say there is no evidence either didn't watch the full video or didn't quite understand his explanation, especially towards the end when he speaks of those "points of light", for which he says the mathematics prove they're real, and who prove the existence of "something" before the Big Bang, namely the "Aeons" he talks about, or, in other words, the Multiverse. Amazing discovery!!!

[@M.Đ-z4u]

Of course there was something before their big bang

[@neimanmario]

@@M.Đ-z4u "Of course" means that you knew before Penrose? Or are you hinting at the existence of a Creator?

[@eduardoweiss123]

Múltiple big bangs and formation of new expanding universes

[@Obiter3]

Finally someone who makes sense. It was always here, it WILL always be here, no matter what borders we presume to draw on it, and regardless of what's in it. We will never fully understand how or why.

[@0oo00]

Scientists and experts know everything and should be directing our lives -- Western culture.

[@jotaqu755]

That's an oxymoron. "It makes sense that we will never understand. In other words, it makes sense that everything is meaningless." Those who want an infinite universe and time search and copy clippings of texts or videos. You have to go to the sources, and those who know best humbly say that they still cannot confirm anything

[@MichaelSmith-lm5sl]

Your reflection captures a sentiment that resonates deeply with many who ponder the mysteries of the cosmos. The idea that the universe, in some form, has always existed and will continue to exist beyond our conventional understanding of time and space, challenges the very limits of human cognition and scientific inquiry. The notion that the universe transcends the "borders" we impose on it, whether those borders are physical, conceptual, or temporal, speaks to the limitations of our current scientific models and philosophical frameworks. It acknowledges the universe's vast complexity and the possibility that its true nature might elude complete comprehension due to the constraints of our observational capabilities and theoretical constructs. This perspective also humbly recognizes the limits of human understanding in the face of the cosmos's enormity. Despite the significant strides made in cosmology, physics, and astronomy, there remain fundamental questions about the universe's origins, structure, and ultimate fate that are yet to be answered. The pursuit of these answers drives scientific exploration and philosophical inquiry, pushing the boundaries of what we know and expanding our understanding of the universe. The acceptance that we may never fully grasp the "how" or "why" of the universe does not diminish the value of our quest for knowledge. Instead, it can serve as a source of inspiration and wonder, motivating us to continue exploring, questioning, and marveling at the universe's mysteries. It is a reminder of the shared human endeavor to make sense of our existence and the cosmos that surrounds us, and of the beauty in the search itself, even if some answers remain beyond our reach.

[@SlickDangler10]

Nothing that has to do with space makes sense and I don't think it ever will or was made for us to know

[@vhawk1951kl]

Can " we" understand or " we" have an headache? Your "we" is imaginary titch- you have no immediate interlocutor in this instance

[@RealBigBangVideos]

Since I was a kid, somehow naturally thinking about "What is this thing we are in?", "What is the universe/everything?", always lead me to some natural, abstract answer to myself, like infinity, but in both directions, toward big and small. Like there is no biggest thing, like it goes on infinitely, like solar system , galaxy, galaxy clusters, the entire expanding universe, then clusters of universes in a multiverse, clusters of clusters of universes, and infinitely on and on. But also the same goes infinitely toward small, smaller, never smallest, there is always something that the next smaller thing is made of, like they discovered atoms, electrons, than even smaller than that, quarks, leptons, and there is chance for smaller things existing, I mean everything must be made out of something smaller, toward minus infinity. And even math is like that you can have always a bigger number than the next, and also smaller number than any negative number. And I also think yes our universe is finite, because everything must be finite, but maybe everything there is, the absolute 'everything', is infinite amount of finite things. So my point is that maybe the Big Bang didn't came out of nothing but it was a universe that was forever expanding from minus infinity toward plus infinity, but we think there was Big Bang because we think singularity is the smallest possible thing, but that must be made of smaller parts and those of smaller parts infinitely, and from those realms of infinitely smaller than the next smaller thing, the universe was expanding forever, toward the point we call Big Bang and onward, because the Big Bang is the point/limit of how further toward the minus infinity we can comprehend. And also maybe there is infinite number of those universes expanding like that from infinitely smaller and smaller realm toward infinitely big size, engulfing each other in the process forever, kinda like the picture they show in the video that demonstrates the cyclic universes - those funnel shaped ones on top of each other. Basically if you are zooming out forever further and further, there will be clusters of things, and then clusters of clusters of things, there will always be something. Also if you zoom in forever in the smallest thing you will see smaller and smaller things forever making up the previous know smallest thing. I think that's what 'everything there is' is. I really wanna know what anybody thinks about this?

[@bandulaamarawardena6576]

Absolutely beautiful analysis, and may I happily say that for the last about 30 years, I started thinking about the possibility of multiverse, where big bangs are happening everywhere all the time, and would not let light to travel from one to the other. The light may even go round and round without escaping, whereby each universe thinking that they are the only universe in the multiverse..!!

[@Ididntaskforahandleyoutube]

There is no evidence for anything beyond our universe. The Multiverse is purely imaginary until shown to be otherwise. And it really bothers me that's its called a scientific theory. It's not. Hell, it's technically not even a hypothesis because a hypothesis takes place after data is collected to create one. Their is no positive data for it. Nothing. Zilch. Zero.

[@zacatkinson3926]

its not infinite

[@steenpedersen8526]

I always took for granted, that the Universe as an entity was limitless in space because what would or could ever limit it, right , but the idea you present here that there is perhaps also no end to the amount of levels of structures or layers so to say, did I ever really consider. I always sort of assumed, that there is a toplayer and a bottomlayer in the cosmos, where the toplayer is the biggest and most complex structure or constellation in existence for example a supercluster of galaxies and no matter how far you zoom further out there wont be any others of its kind just more of it. And the bottomlayer would then be the very smallest possible structure or entity, which per definition would be unexplainable, since it did not consist of smaller parts nor worked by any underlying mecanism - it just exist and works the way it does for no explainable reason - its the absolute bottomline of everything. This was my picture, until you plant this idea that everything must be made of something smaller. Im not sure if you are right.

[@fractal_3]

This is why I choose the username fractal whenever I can

[@Azan_Hyder]

These videos are amazing my brain is waking up🧠🤯

[@pete2070]

Maybe the observable universe is the interior of an enormous black hole. Inside it, we can look to the "event horizon" but not beyond it, because the light can't escape it.

[@CreepsCompilation]

Dude, Put the bong down..

[@CarlosOliveira-zs9yl]

If the universe is the interior of a black hole, that means that all the energy and mass inside of it are just a fraction of a much larger super-universe.

[@pete2070]

@@CarlosOliveira-zs9yl You have a valid point there. For all we know, that may be close to the truth.

[@oliivioljy9700]

I feel that all the matter of nature is like little music dac clocks that beat in their own species beat with their own time, eventually turning into iron or radiation. Also, all life is based on the heartbeat of the clock until the genes turn off that clock themselves. Like light in a way. When all of this goes into a black star or a hole, all the clocks will of course slow down (but they won't stop) and time will slow down and become quantitatively long. It also happens to light as if it is redshifting, it stretches from a snake bend to a straighter, tighter strip, maybe shortens, but it pulsates very, very slowly and the light halo from it thus shrinks into a smaller and smaller component, and drowns in the darkness in its black hole. All matter apparently adheres to each other even more tightly in a black hole, and due to this interaction, a new form of matter is created, which would no longer be the known matter of the universe, but a separate restructured form of matter. As a rule, we know three states of matter, solid, liquid and gas. Of course, there are a few others, but if matter has all the metals and gases/liquids in tens/hundreds of opposites, the strangest phrase transformations that we do not yet know in this universe, and this current space age of ours experiences one of these certain determined ATTENTION! a transformation within clock limits from the substance itself. So it is not surprising that the universe is only a limited space because of other dimensions, covered from our consciousness to understand it well enough. Of course, we may be just one variant of a black hole called space-time. Or a by-product of some high-intelligence artificial intelligence in a formula called the matrix, which would take billions of years for people to understand with all human wisdom, but in any case only a limited amount of time in the end for the mechanism to unravel completely comprehensibly.

[@mitchelcline9759]

Why do you think we're in a black hole?

[@orgbortondave6539]

The more we learn..the more we don’t know.

[@mateyaj1460]

Yeah that's the whole point though, to think and always evolve, not to know everything.

[@rodrigobonzanini8235]

This is why the dumb says "I know everything", and the wise says "I know nothing"...

[@M.Đ-z4u]

Speculators everywhere 😂

[@Boca-do-rio]

Penrose is in a absolute deep thought, i am fighting his absolute timeless thought on the electromagnetic wave, because when a wave stretches, there is still a proces going on and proceses need time, even on a 2 dimentional scale TO US. A good thing we see in the Lorentz contraction, is that it works in 2 directions when speeding up, so this also most count for elecyomagnetic waves that stretch. They also stretch out in 2 directions, even when it speeds not up, its the road that gets longer. A road into infinity needs a infinet line, and when the energie in this universe is limited, it can never stretch its energie over the whole road, before it colapses. You see energie comes in quantums, but when space is not limited to quantums or has bigger quantums it outstretches energie by far. Now... When energie can not get lost it MOST reapear and it can do so (random) in space in a possibility of place and time. (Maybe depending on influences outside of our universe, if there are more.)

[@Jo1975S]

Yep. Somewhat

[@Boca-do-rio]

@@Jo1975S Well... When i lissen to absoluut intelligent people, that use all kind of hard to understand words, i can not follow and visionalise (not sure about the spelling, i'm Dutch) how this would look or work in nature/reality. You see mathematicaly we could say that space is a 3 dimentional absoluut empty body, but it will be almost sure that space will never be only absoluut mathematicaly, so space will alway's be a form of energie and it can differ in energie lvl, but never be absoluut empty. So iff there is space arround our own universe this space will also be a energie vorm, of a even more lower energy lvl, that could create this vaccuum force, on our own space and time.

[@JoshuaBolwerk]

There were billions and billions of universes before us

[@honestycounts9352]

Imagine an engine, with many, many 'bangs'. There is not just one big bang, but an infinite number of them, happening one after another. That's the universe we live in.

[@FirstNameLastName-vt3hu]

Still had to start somewhere.

[@bubblelaber4909]

Infinite number of them??? Well boy that's mathematically absurd and nothing but speculation.

[@karldergrosse-333]

Ridiculous claim with zero evidence.

[@telonie8986]

Like a star supernova explosion, only on gigantic scale !!!

[@DannyMostarac-zn6wd]

Yup

[@TheCrossroads533]

I think there is some possiblity that there are many big bangs which are like mini blisters, or eruptions, erupting within a deeper, vaster, steady state megaverse. The idea is described, in passing, by the late Hugo Award winning author Clifford D. Simak in a short, 1974 science fiction novel, "A Choice of Gods". So in some sense there is a multiverse but it does not exist, as such, in the current, popular cosmological concept.

[@tommateyak3967]

I agree, I love these topics on astrophysics and keep up to date on the internet, books or whatever. And the more I learn, I think we are just a blast in a much bigger "universe".

[@rogerjohnson2562]

???

[@smooth1748]

I think the idea of several big bangs makes more sense than just one big bang.

[@markc1234golf]

Stop thinking of bangs it's tosh

[@NiToNi2002]

Brilliant! I had somehow missed this channel (thanks algo!). This one is going to blow up!

[@Atouk]

If scientists want me to believe that everything sprouted from a tiny point of infinite density, whatever. Where did that infinite point of density come from?

[@colmbolger2109]

Possibly a white hole. The opposite of a black hole.

[@Atouk]

@@colmbolger2109 😅

[@Zeb75]

They don’t know and they never will.

[@Statstistician]

“If scientists want me to believe.” Scientists want to understand what happened. It’s up to you whether you “believe” or not. But the evidence does seem to support a singularity where all spacetime was infinitely dense about 14 years ago. This is based on a LOT of supporting observation and scientific theory testing. Including observations of the expansion of space, the age of distant stars, the cosmic microwave background radiation, and the conformance of the Big Bang cosmological model with the conclusions of general relativity. All available evidence, it seems, points to a big bang. WHY did it happen? That is certainly unknown at this time.

[@plenum6448]

Most of what the evidence indicates is that it all came from a point - and that's ok. There was no EVIDENCE that there was anything prior - and that was the theory. Up to very recently, there now appears to be something prior, but more EVIDENCE is needed. Science is EVIDENCE-BASED and worked extremely well over the recent decades and 2-3 centuries. Things take time and lots of work. So, give them time and LET THEM DO THEIR WORK.

[@homebase5934]

I always uneducatedly guessed that there are multiverses and that in one of those universes a super giant black hole consumes so much material and energy that it eventually explodes/releases all that material and energy creating a "big bang" and a new universe.

[@diGritz1]

Sorry your completely wrong..... About the "uneducated" part. It is an educated guess and a reasonable one. We view the world through our own experiences in life. Too much air in a balloon "POP", adding gas by converting a solid to a gas like a bullet, "BANG". When you consider dam near everything will explode when you add more to it then it was designed to handle, it makes perfect sense to apply the same to a BH. But a BH has no upper limit that we currently know of. It's doubly weird when you consider the dimensions of a BH doesn't grow proportionally to it's mass. However it still obeys the rules, it just does it in a round about way through Hawking Radiation. As a BH bleeds off mass through HR it shrinks. The smaller it gets the hotter it gets. As temp increases more HR is released until "BOOM". Basically it's like the implosion used on nuclear weapons. Instead of adding mass to a static container, your mass is static and you shrink the container. There are a couple other ways for it to explode like superradiance. But it's still just theory and it's an indirect explosion, not the BH popping off. It's important to remember much of what we know it just theory. Given how little we know about some subjects, most ideas start as "Uneducated Guesses".

[@Ruktiet]

That’s a nice fantasy story

[@davidfhth6842]

a blackhole exploding doesnt have the force to generate a big bang, which accelerated faster than the speed of light

[@barneyronnie]

Write up the mathematics that describe your musings; you'll be famous😊!

[@ScottMGordon]

Black holes, the destroyer of world could be a creator of worlds.

[@richardgrayson3241]

I've thought about the existence of Multiverses since I read about them in Silver Age Superman comic books and Science fiction. When James Webb showed the possibility of older Universes, it feels right.

[@grande6075]

There could be a universe which is called mother universe which is infinite in size and infinite number of multiverse inside the mother uinverse. blackhole could be the source of big bang that create new universe which comprise the multiverse. multiverse has an edge but mother universe doesnt have and it will go on foreverse.

[@M.Đ-z4u]

​@@grande6075we don't know nothing 😂

[@stephenphillips4984]

The Webb telescope did NOT show the possibility of older universes. How could the well-formed early galaxies belonging to such previous universes have survived intact after successive Big Crunches?! The whole idea is ridiculous. Anyhow, the scientific notion of multiverse is NOT applicable to the cosmological idea of previous universes. The notion arises in inflationary cosmologies based upon the idea that our universe is but one amongst many co-existing universes, each formed from its own Big Bang, not successive universes in time. Nor is the sci-fi notion of multiverse relevant here because this was based upon the "parallel realities" theory of Hugh Everitt, which interpreted the statistical aspect of quantum mechanics in terms of real, co-existing universes.

[@pikiwiki]

The speculation offered seems to be in line with current theory and the presentation was cogent, lucid and visually appealing. Nice to see a channel that does the work but doesn't burden the viewer with intricate facts that may or may not be relevant

[@4KindnessGal]

Well said 😊

[@kellyallen8528]

I'm so intrigued by this. I never agreed that the Big bang was the beginning because the idea of everything in the universe coming from nothing is absolutely wild. If so, what was before that? The space still has to be there no? The starting point for the universe is so mind blowing it's actually scary. If there was no space and time, then what was there? There certainly had to be something.

[@ShuShu89]

All the mind blowing and thought provoking ideas aside, I really like the imagery of your face on the TV with the voice distortion. That's really what brings me back haha. Fun editing for sure!

[@BeeyondIdeas]

Cool, thanks!

[@kevinlee8011]

Appears that our current understanding of Time-Space seeming Continuum is consistent with the Buddhist Theory of “Dependent Origination”

[@MichaelSmith-lm5sl]

In physics, the idea that no event or point in the universe can be completely separated from the overall structure of space-time could be seen as a form of 'dependent origination,' where each point in the universe is dependent on the whole for its properties and existence. Moreover, theories like quantum entanglement, where particles can remain connected across vast distances, further echo the idea of interconnectedness that is central to Dependent Origination. However, it's important to note that while these parallels are intriguing, the contexts in which these concepts arise are quite different. Buddhist philosophy and modern physics approach these ideas from very different perspectives and with different goals in mind. Buddhism uses Dependent Origination as part of a framework to understand suffering and the nature of existence, leading to a path out of suffering. In contrast, physics seeks to understand the fundamental laws that govern the universe and its origins. While the parallels can provide valuable insights and foster interdisciplinary dialogue, it's crucial to appreciate the distinct contexts and purposes of these fields."

[@ShrutiTA]

There are two variables. One- matter, one freedom. Reply.

[@RachaelMorgan-om4xw]

Whats that? 🐣

[@vhawk1951kl]

"Our"being that of you and which specific interlocutor? Can there be " our" head ache?

[@coolhandphilip]

Buddhism and Physics go together like Cain and Abel.

[@unocoltrane2804]

I tend to unscientifically think that space is just always there, and that the stuff in it is what changes. From that viewpoint, it feels like the universe isn't expanding into anything and has no edge. It feels like the stuff is just expanding further into the infinite nothingness. There may be no farthest point of the universe, because maybe space itself is an infinite tapestry of nothing.

[@firephilosopher7645]

Interesting thought. But then what exactly is space? If you consider the totality of space, your 'infinite tapestry of nothing', then there is nothing outside of it, and therefore it is really dimensionless because there is nothing else to compare it to. It is neither large nor small. It has no size. I think the entirety of existence is contained in a dimensionless point. Any experience of dimension, size, distance, etc. is all relative. But when it comes to the totality, there is really no such thing as size, no great or small, since infinity has nothing to do with relative size. Also, I do not consider the 'stuff' that is in space to be in any way separate from space itself. Whatever appears or exists in space, arises from it and is one with it. It cannot be 'other'.

[@sssalvia]

breathe in breathe out. night, day, summer, winter. all things are cyclical. more than just physical matter came from the big bang, our 'consciousness' did as well. whatever it was, it was conscious, it held all our consciousness, and all things will return to one.

[@cliftongaither6642]

then why did it take billions of years for consciousness to evolve?

[@Play4Vida]

​@@cliftongaither6642 who said it has to?

[@cliftongaither6642]

@@Play4Vida because it did.

[@johncurtis920]

This sets me in mind of an old quote made by Thornton Wilder: "“It is only in appearance that time is a river. It is rather a vast landscape, and it is the eye of the beholder that moves.” -- "The Eighth Day". Book by Thornton Wilder, 1967. He may have been more correct than he realized at that time.

[@willbohland3698]

This blew my F'ing mind. Every time I thought I kind of understood the general idea, he'd say something else and lose me completely. Now I'm not even sure we exist at all. Edit: I'm just gonna watch some of that old-timey Star Trek. It's good enough for me.

[@vhawk1951kl]

" We" which can only be imaginary does not exist, but whether or not another element of we has the faintest idea what it means by "exist", the uncharitable might describe as self evident, that element being entirely innocent of being any species of intellectual.

[@lethalwolf7455]

I’ll watch with you, and I’ll bring some beer

[@yppykya]

Nothing has ever come from nothing, unless our definition of nothing has changed.

[@DivineLoveArchive]

ever heard "we have no nothing to investigate, so we don't know"...like "we have no married bachelor to investigate, so we don't know what he can do🤣

[@peterbranagan1010]

There's a big difference between nothing and 'No-Thing'. 'No-Thing' is that from which all things emerge. Heidegger

[@PuppetMasterdaath144]

but all literature in human history points towards there is still nothing aka maya illusion, because consciousness itself has the properties of nothing as it is not made of or by matter, it is not produced by the brain but projected from a field access point into source, it's a holographic model, its quite common understandings and it boggles the mind that the ex nihilo paradox being a paradox isn't understood to be a product of inherent limitation geometrically as hyperdimensional , this is why something is a paradox, because a restricted condition has restricted parameters of self-refence relative to inference relative to consciousness and whatever interpret you want of the observer effect, consciousness has properties of overcoming limitation thus the concept gnosis, a gnostic representation has always to look outside the restrictions of physicality , you'd think these things would be common knowledge by now but yeah

[@BladeTrain3r]

Is nothing the absence of all particles? The absence of space and time? The absence physical laws? The absence of abstract concepts like math? How far down the nothing hole would you like to go? Was there ever in fact, truly nothing? Because abstractions and possibility are also... something.

[@vhawk1951kl]

"Our" definition? " Our" embracing you and which particular identifiable interlocutor?

[@slayerpianoman]

I wonder if reincarnation is actually just the repeat of the same universe over and over. I’ve often thought the least likely time to be occurring in an infinite universe is the tiny slice of my existence. In theory after my death time plops forward for an eternity, yet of all times to be “now,” its mine. One could argue the anthropomorphic principle, that I can only comprehend this time because I’m alive, so the most likely time for my consciousness is now so I shouldn’t be surprised, but then again, if selected at random, my little slice should be infinitely unlikely to be “now.” Makes the brain hurt sometimes.

[@adityaeducation113]

The things which cannot be proven nor denied are beyond science. I and my friend were talking about this topic and we spoke about this same topic that "before big bang there was a world where it was of type 7 civilization and they edited a new universe which is ours !!!". And I found out this video talking about this topic!!😊

[@croaton07]

Nothing is beyond science, as everything is based on scientific law. However, it may take a technology we may never develop.

[@adityaeducation113]

For example, if I say there is a huge cake outside the observable universe. since, we don't have the technology to go beyond universe.....this theory cannot be proved nor be denied. Don't take this example as real. I just took it to explain....... if u don't agree then give a reason as I want to research more about it and learn.... Thank You (I am 10th class student)......

[@starryamity33]

​​@@adityaeducation113 I love the idea of the concept of a huge cake beyond the universe being the cause of a new religion, like the flying spaghetti monster.

[@Tasorius]

@@croaton07 Science is just a tool to learn about reality. It isn't the law that governs reality...

[@coldplaymay]

Our existence (and beginning) extends beyond space time and our finite mind. Science can only explain so much.

[@SayAhh]

That's like saying language can only explain so much. Science CAN explain it IF/WHEN we receive/gather more facts/data and come up with better formulas/equations given more/newer types of observations.

[@briankwiatkowski8172]

​@SayAhh sure a human can fully understand an infinite universe and how exactly everything came to be scientifically 😆, human arrogance

[@petercharles8306]

Universes touching one another to spark another cycle.

[@dantetomic7049]

The Universe is Infinite without doubt, and Big Bangs happen every millisecond throughout the Infinite Universe. There is no starting point or end point in the Infinite Universe the Universe has Infinitely always been around.

[@bayraktarx1386]

Interesting theory.

[@RachaelMorgan-om4xw]

How delicious!

[@vhawk1951kl]

Who told you that and why do you believe them titch? This big bang mumbo jumbo of yours being some sort of religious monkey business or belief based? Or is it something of which you have direct immediate personal experience as direct immediate and personal as pain or knowledge?

[@dantetomic7049]

@@vhawk1951kl And who told you that ?

[@Ikhlashasib10]

@@dantetomic7049 No who tf told you the universe is infinite lol?

[@Kittens_Cats_Karma]

I always thought that there is no beginning and no end. It could be more like a harmonica, but their physical laws and properties could be taking various different forms depending on factors prevalent at the time.

[@Maurice-e5k]

Love me good harp player but as a model for existence? Not so much.

[@rogerjohnson2562]

???

[@MichaelKelsay-lc1og]

I believe black holes are the key to understanding the cosmos. I think the "big bang" was our universe being born from another's black hole or we're a "white hole". If you look at a black hole that just consumes matter that literally can never escape the gravity it is reasonable to think that eventually the mass becomes so dense and hot that it ignites and explodes and since that explosion still can't escape the gravity it will create a bubble or a new "universe". While it doesn't answer the question what created everything it does make sense how our universe was created from "nothing". Black holes containing its own universe is becoming a popular theory among today's theoretical physicists. While I'm not one I love being able to ask the question that is our existence

[@johnhawkk]

I’ve heard this proposed before. To me though, the hole in that premise (pardon the pun) is how can a universe emerge from a black hole, or even a super massive black hole, when even being generous, say a billion sun masses, that is still a speck of dust compared to the size of the observable universe? Unless I’m missing something. In other words, how can an ostensibly infinite universe be created by a finite mass?

[@MichaelKelsay-lc1og]

@johnhawkk You most definitely have a point and I don't think every black hole could or would produce a new universe but the mass of some of the biggest black holes are massive enough to consume enough matter and dark matter to eventually be able to supply a new universe. I completely agree with your point and I don't pretend to know the truth on this subject it's just something that honestly makes sense to me because we had to start somewhere. We will likely never no for sure definitely not in our lifetimes but I'm sure you'd agree that damn it's fun to think about and imagine

[@SongWhisperer]

@@johnhawkk• We don’t even know if the universe is infinite or if the mass contained within our universe is finite, both the finite and the infinite are just numbers we haven’t discovered yet. But to answer your question, a finite amount of mass can be contained within an infinite amount of space if the blackhole that we exist in is constantly creating the space without adding more mass (and who knows if more mass isn’t being added to our universe, we just haven’t discovered the source of that mass yet?) Dr. James Beacham has a good hypothesis surrounding this subject, his math seems to prove that our universe was born from another much bigger universe via a blackhole.

[@AReallyLongAndUnremakableUser]

How does anyone actually know that a collapsed star is actually a HOLE?

[@danielhester3164]

If our universe is full of supermassive black holes spirling and consuming everything even light and time then maby the reason the universe is expanding is because it is being consumed in every direction

[@AlexisOmnis]

Is this how entangled particles communicate? Can they bend space *& even time* in higher dimensions, meaning they experience no spacial or temporal distance from each other? And, with this same principal, could the expansion of space be an illusion, so that particles with mass are the only objects that see & experience the expansion of space?

[@frankcuoco1501]

The time between the start and stop of the universe is an instant ,we are in the time in between😊

[@MichaelSmith-lm5sl]

The perspective that the duration from the universe's inception to its cessation is essentially instantaneous, and that our existence unfolds within this fleeting interval, is a profound philosophical reflection on the nature of time and the universe. It echoes some interpretations of cosmology and physics where the concepts of time and duration are relative and not absolute. In the realm of cosmology, especially when considering theories like the Big Bang or cyclic models of the universe, the notion of time can become particularly abstract. According to general relativity, time is intertwined with the fabric of space itself, forming a four-dimensional continuum known as space-time. The progression of time, from this perspective, is influenced by the distribution of mass and energy in the universe, leading to the idea that the passage of time is not uniform across the cosmos. If we consider the universe in its entirety, from its very beginning in the Big Bang (or a similar event in cyclic models) to its ultimate fate (be it heat death, Big Crunch, or a transition to a new cycle), the entire history of the universe could be perceived as a singular event or 'instant' on cosmological timescales. Our human experience, the entire history of Earth, and even the lifespan of stars, might appear as mere moments or transient phenomena within this vast cosmological context. This perspective can make our existence seem fleeting or ephemeral, yet it also highlights the remarkable nature of our universe's complexity and the richness of the phenomena that unfold within it. It underscores the specialness of this moment in cosmic history that allows for the existence of life, consciousness, and the capacity to ponder the universe itself. Engaging with these ideas can provide a humbling yet awe-inspiring appreciation for the mysteries of the cosmos and our place within it. It invites us to reflect on the fundamental nature of time, existence, and the continuum of the universe in which we find ourselves.

[@vhawk1951kl]

What are you calling " the universe" and how do you know it is" the universe"? You see that is the difficulty into which you run when you employ universals -they can only be imaginary, in the sense that they cannot be directly immediately personally experienced, only imagined

[@DaKILLaGod]

universe is repeating and always the same for observer inside it. this is effect of interaction of dimensions. its most probable that dimension is a single entity interacting with itself, only looking flat from inside. it is possible in two ways at least geometrically.

[@johnnydough8841]

The fool will say anything to trick his mind there’s not a God.

[@DaKILLaGod]

@@johnnydough8841 trust whatever you want. i mean: hey, why do you trick yours, or let trick yourself more precisely? do not obey fasle prophets

[@johnnydough8841]

@@DaKILLaGod You are now stating proven science is lying. Life requires initial life to create more life. Science proved this. So explain, since there’s no god, how life can poof from nothing. You’ll be the first in human history to explain where the first life form came from.

[@alexandermukai7724]

Everything in the cosmos goes through the cycle of birth, growth, maturation, decline and death. That doesn’t mean that things are born from nothing or become nothing upon death - it’s like a wave on the ocean: it is born from the ocean and returns to it. The cosmos itself is subject to this process.

[@TimK-1971]

Thank you for this extremely well done and understandable video. Finally an explanation that makes a lot more sense. I mean, how could there be a big bang if there wasn't the space-time universal for it to happen in? And our perception of time being completely subjective to our personal movement through space, now that does make sense for me.

[@therealdesidaru]

There is some stuff in there that is wrong. Photons have mass, gravitational waves are real and proved. The cyclical thing doesn't depend on these errors, so it's kinda null. My biggest thing is that space has to be expanding FASTER than the speed of light or it would have no where to go. So, there is something faster than the speed of light and that is expansion. We know expansion is SPEEDING UP because of the red shift. So, the conclusion is like any bubble (pop!). Maybe that is what drives universe creation. maybe we are just a bubble that is in the process of popping. (not maybe)

[@therealdesidaru]

Our universe is just a soap bubble in some god's bathtub. Always the "We don't know, so it must be a god." A tens of thousand year old argument used by people who talk to these gods and therefore know more than some other person who doesn't talk to a god or gods. I suppose you are in consort with this god and that somehow, therefore, finds you in that god's favor. Oh, endless burble. @@owenallen5733

[@therealdesidaru]

Submit to this. Freak. @@owenallen5733

[@rhayat10]

If only I had a few more IQ points, I'd understand Penrose's theory better. As it stands, I love his theory simply because it's beautiful.

[@ronniepaulinc]

its nonsense

[@rajahua6268]

It does make more sense.

[@MOSMASTERING]

FANTASTIC GRAPHICS! Well explained.. makes you think, then have an existential breakdown! Awesome.

[@vhawk1951kl]

what the fcuk is an"existential breakdown"? You have no idea? this you will illustrate

[@colinmcnally5931]

There is no beginning and there is no end!! Just continuous change!

[@innertubez]

Very cool video. But I’m not sure the “simultaneity” that photons experience because they don’t feel the passage of time is literally the same as all time existing at once.

[@jasoncourson8112]

It is as far as the photons are concerned, from the moment they are admitted to the moment they are reabsorbed the passage of Time for that photon is zero.. which is why when you look out at the sky at night you are seeing the universe as it was not as it is right now.. but even still we can deduce based on what we do know what is going to happen even if we are not seeing it live the same way that traffic analysts can predict what's going to happen based on what they do know about the area and how people are.. & on the quantum level such as the Planck level the past present and future all all exist simultaneously, the Planck level is so small that if one atom which is already 100,000 times smaller than anything you can see with your naked eyes, if one atom was the size of the observable universe which is around 46 and a half billion light-years ( 1 light-year 6 trillion miles/ even though most of the Stars we can see at night are within a 50 light-year radius) then the Planck would be the height of an average tree. The faster you move through space-time the slower time passes for you, then once you reach the speed of light time literally stops for you.. again that's why there is at least two different times.. quantize time or personal time and absolute time. The former exists because we've agreed upon a construct, the latter happens regardless if there's anyone around or not and in fact gravity plays a roll in how fast or slow time passes

[@itchynail]

this is ancient concept. We live in illusion of time as the flowing of "slides" or moments like we are running in a circle around the center. In the center there is a vertical beam passing through it. Inside the center all the time (and all slides) is a moment. Temporality in the center of the circle is synchronous. and on the edge of the circle time is diachronous. The beam passing vertically through the center can be called whatever you like. God, active intellect. Anyway the light is divine.

[@Jo1975S]

True

[@MrPakurfulo]

If that's the case we should try to find a way to recover information that we may have persisted before, or find a way to do that for future universes to find

[@patrickfox-roberts7528]

people working with Penrose are doing just that - they are looking for the relics of exploding black holes from the previous eon and think they are detecting them. It has advanced beyond this but, for what its worth kzbin.info/www/bejne/pKHQdZWYfMeGpac

[@yehor_ivanov]

black holes...

[@ZMacZ]

Wow, finally, space existed before the Big Bang, or rather multiple big bangs. Actually, both space and filler existed before the local big bang. The local big bang that happened in our little part of the Universe is what created the milky way, possibly also leading to the creation of the nearest other galaxies. My thoughts are that even black holes can have a maximum of energy inside them before they go boom, but that is an extremely extreme of energy in a very small space, but tells us that even space itself can only have a limited amount of energy in any single spot, albeit an amount of several (or several hundreds) Sun's worths in like one m3 or such.

[@stanleykubrick8786]

I'm more interested in seeing if we can finally come to a civil society with meaning on this planet, (yes including Gaza, Ethiopia, etc. ) than a bunch of useless conjectures about the state of affairs 15 billion years ago just for the sake of trying to demonstrate how intellectually pompous we can be.

[@deerhunterthom5458]

The theorists say something like, "after the Big Bang, the universe cooled as it expanded." It seems to me that the problem with that is that "cooling" is a thermodynamic process wherein energy/heat is radiated/transferred from a higher energy particle to a lower energy particle. That would lower the energy level of the initially higher energy particle and raise the energy level of the lower energy particle, moving the system toward equilibrium. But if the fabric of spacetime stretched between particles of high energy, that doesn't mean that there's new lower energy particle matter created, it just means that they're farther apart. With no lower energy particle occupying that space between them, or around them, there's nowhere for the energy to go that would allow cooling to take place. Thus, there wouldn't seem to have been any opportunity for the universe to cool from its allegedly initial infinitely dense and infinitely hot plasma condition, wherein all of the particles had infinitely high energy.

[@almostrich4013]

Stick to hunting deers

[@zacatkinson3926]

@@almostrich4013 stick to knowing nothing

[@almostrich4013]

@@zacatkinson3926 excuse me?

[@zacatkinson3926]

@@almostrich4013 you’re excused

[@chandanm1521]

That. Is one good point. It's making me rethink everything. Say, it's been 10 months. Have you found an answer ? @deerhunter

[@jamesmyers5284]

Great content but you should lose the dystopian robo-TV schtik, it's distracting and cringey... Or maybe just use it once for the big punch line bubba👍🏻

[@cljoe35]

Lol I noticed that after I read the comment.

[@danielsullivan1590]

Very annoying background noise. Good call

[@RuselaHaydon]

An infinite Universe makes so much sense and answers so many questions.

[@mariuquidiello]

Absolutely Amazing ! I aways thought of an infinite Universe or Universes !

[@bobveklotz7914]

Think of an infinite God who created the universe.

[@brobi-wankenobi2369]

I know its simplistic, but I’ve always felt that the other end of a black hole is the beginning of a new universe. A new Big Bang on a new cosmic plane. Who knows!?!

[@celtic666crayons6]

I would love to have a cup of tea with Sir Roger Penrose!!! ❤ He takes the impossible and explains it so eloquently that you can see it as a probable reality! 😊😅

[@stephenphillips4984]

Listen to another cosmologist with differing theories and you will get the same experience. My advice is: stop listening to others and rely on your own intuition.

[@yinyang2385]

This has been my theory all along, with the exception that I believe our physical Universe ruled by general relativity was born from a massless subatomic Universe in a parallel dimension.

[@MoniqueangeliqueLumpkin]

ha ! the wonderful world of quantum physics, that's why is called the hidden part of every science, we just don't know hum!

[@palashford4309]

Fascinating, as Spock would say. It never sat right with me that this universe we live in now was a one time event. I'd always felt in my bones that this was not the first time but one of an infinite amount. Infinity is a concept that is hard to wrap my brain around, but, then again so is the universe. It is all so unknowable.

[@davidlsmith3864]

O.K., Here's a question for you: Of those very first Galaxies, and if they had stars with planets and intellect life, could any of those planets look in their 'telescopes' and 'look back' and see the Big Bang happen ??? (they were closer to the event)

[@theonewind]

I’m thinking not since the light would have passed by, by now, unless the first galaxies are exceptionally far away from the point of our singularity

[@yehor_ivanov]

I think, it's theoretically possible, taking into account our current undersstanding of the Universe but gotta agree with another commentator on the "distance" issue. and, actually, I suppose, that can be calculated with some lil equations)

[@kaizenrockets]

My understanding is that light couldn’t escape for the first 380,000 years. It was too hot to allow photons to move freely. Therefore there’s a firewall preventing us seeing the beginning no matter how close to it we are. The image of the Cosmic Background Radiation (beautiful picture) is what we believe to be the first image of light moving through the universe. Maybe there’s a different form of life that use something other than light to ‘see’!

[@delbre55]

According to eastern philosophies, the universe has gone through endless creations and destructions.

[@stephenphillips4984]

Yes, but Hindu chronology is hopelessly wrong, a Day of Brahma being 8.64 billion years (less than half of the age of the universe) and an Age of Brahma being 311,040 billion years, which is absurdly longer than this. So we cannot place any confidence in there being any truth to eastern cosmology.

[@kylebushnell2601]

More than compelling! Thanks for putting these theories and ongoing “ cosmic crisis “ data into something rather comprehensible!

[@BeeyondIdeas]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@pkul9583]

I think older galaxies are there or coming from other universe (multiverse)😅

[@AquarianSoulTimeTraveler]

​@@BeeyondIdeasaccelerating expansion pass the speed of light is an illusion caused by black holes emitting non baryonic matter which has been recently proven... there is a black hole at the center of our galaxy admitting non-periodic matter increasing evenly the density of the non-periodic matter field which creates an illusion of accelerating expansion pass the speed of light... we are not accelerating an expansion... it is a illusion!!!!!!!!!

[@AquarianSoulTimeTraveler]

​@@BeeyondIdeaswe cannot accurately map our universe from our singular point in space and time even if we sent out physical craft to physically map our entire galaxy it is nothing but a speck of dust in comparison to the universe... biggest fallacy of human logic is thinking whatever we can see is truth...

[@AquarianSoulTimeTraveler]

​@@BeeyondIdeasof course the events existed before the Big Bang because the Big Bang is a metaphor for the singularity which is a metaphor for God... of course God existed before the creation of the universe because God created the universe!

[@avi_arihant]

That’s one way to explain it, recent observations are pointing towards much faster growth of galaxies, JWST has been amazing & I hope that it will help is progress towards answering this fundamental question.

[@kleetus88]

fantastic quality, you will have millions of subs before long. Love the content, the presentation, the graphics.

[@Honestandtruth007]

Haaaahaaaa 😅❤😂. The Universe Exists before the BiG Bang theory..... Gotta Love this 😅

[@cameronosborne7405]

Wasn’t cosmic inflation invented as a “fudge factor” to make the models work?

[@galaxymetta5974]

Both Hindu and Buddhist texts talk of the cosmos going through cycles of cosmic expansion and contraction. Taoist texts also talk about expansion of the cosmos from a point. Cheers.

[@stephenphillips4984]

Unfortunately, none of their chronologies are consistent with the experimental data accumulated by astronomers. It is hard to know where these texts stop talking metaphysics and start talking physics.

[@galaxymetta5974]

@@stephenphillips4984 Your discernment is weak not to realise these ancient texts talk about the cosmos way before the west invented the telescope. The science you know only trying to explain 4% of the universe comprising matter and is only playing catch up to these ancient texts. Edison would not have discovered anything if he rejected everything outside his knowledge like you do.

[@gordonbesancon709]

THERE HAS BEEN MANY BIG BANGS. EVERY UNIVERSE HAS ITS OWN BIG BANG.

[@stephenphillips4984]

No evidence for that. Believe in your own speculations by all means but please do not call it science.

[@adityganguly4021]

Is it possible for one who has very little exposure to science can understand such interesting knowledge of cosmos.

[@Ravenscaller]

I'll be 75 next week and as a layperson have watched cycle after cycle of favorite theories come and go and circle round and round. My experience that the world's greatest minds have very little understanding so don't feel lonesome. Think of it as the universe and its origins as like slices of swiss cheese, maybe even infinite slices. We know that there is cheese and it's swiss but the holes don't all line up. Some do and so we follow what appears to be an opening, a clear path, only to run into another solid wall of cheese blocking that path so we circle back and run into another wall something like the old cartoon characters who keep bashing their head or running off a cliff as if doing the same thing will produce a different result.

[@adityganguly4021]

@@Ravenscaller Thank you so much. Even I am 74+ and am following most videos for last ten years and now have got addicted to it. After reading Carl Sagan's Cosmos and David Chalmer and Roger Penrose wanted to know more and more. Only I don't understand when they explain with mathematical equations. Yet my curiosity takes me to the cosmos.

[@99guspuppet8]

❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ not really

[@NormalCleanCars]

I always keep thinking... Yeah big bang, but what was before that? And before that? And that and that. Keep going back.

[@KenjiEspresso]

Love, then love, then love. Complete the mission.

[@dhimardoole1819]

Before the big bang was it creator.Read the Quran it will answer all the questions about creation

[@jonathaneffemey944]

Thanks so much for posting.

[@gerrygunn5109]

Time changed over time; a trillionth of a second might have taken much longer back when.

[@GoonyMclinux]

Time expansion theory.

[@rickpontificates3406]

What I find interesting is, the animations of the "singularity" often show it condensing before explosion. This may be very true, that the universe keeps recycling and repeating

[@akashmaityX]

It is Already in the vedas the universe is cyclical which means it had infinite beginnings and ends we r just 1 in those infinities

[@rickpontificates3406]

@@akashmaityX Taking it a step further, if the universe does condense before exploding into existence, who's to say it must become a singularity first? Maybe it just needs to condense into critical mass before explosion each time?

[@fredk9999]

Why not? But, is there a master plan? Or, is the last and the next a carbon copy? Could the next be “Left handed?”

[@Rhaxin]

No physicist believe in the singularity, since it originates from what we get with general relativity even when using it where we know it is broken. And in addition, quantum mechanics doesn't allow for it. This is something pop science channels on youtube fail to convey. There is absolutely no proof of an initial singularity before big bang. It's just what we get when we use our best, but known to be broken theory to make a model of something we don't know.

[@Rishi123456789]

I haven't watched the video yet, but as a Hindu, I completely agree with Roger Penrose that this universe existed before the Big Bang. According to the ancient religion of Hinduism, Brahma (the creator of this universe in Hindu mythology) created this universe 155 trillion years ago and this universe will exist for a total of 311 trillion years. And when Brahma dies, this universe will 'die' along with him. Then a new Brahma will be born who will create a new universe to take the place of the old universe. And this process continues forever, without a beginning and without an end. Hinduism also teaches that there are an infinite number of universes and each of those universes (including our own universe) experience an infinite cycle of 'births' (which you can call 'Big Bangs' in a modern scientific way) and 'deaths' (which you can call 'Big Crunches' in a modern scientific way).

[@Ffollies]

I think I need a physics degree to understand a lot of this.

[@prsgrind8794]

It's not enough... Maybe a Phd can help to start the journey...

[@Ffollies]

@@prsgrind8794 Haha, yeah you're probably right, way out of my league.

[@GoonyMclinux]

Physics doesn't help much. 😂

[@AReallyLongAndUnremakableUser]

I think people need commonsense to believe B/S.

[@MoniqueangeliqueLumpkin]

NOPE, U WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND THE SECRET OF THE UNIVERSE. THE THEOLOGIANS KNOW. HUM!!! SO DO I. HAVE FAITH HUM!!!

[@yawzerdoink-a-sore-as]

The universe is inside a big basketball and some kid is playing a game

[@dikiralte1850]

What if Black holes were the seeds of a new universe, after our universe expand and expand untill there is large enough space for a new universe to start just like the big bang starting from the seed universe(the black hole).

[@DaKILLaGod]

it can be seed of matter, look at galagies.. there is no direct evidence that matter falls in.. it can float out instead..

[@Bit-while_going]

Only if the black holes time-reverse at some point. Otherwise it would be imbalanced. See, time has to flow both ways. So, yeah, there could be relative holes, but, the overall arrow of time is zero and, so you just get these twisty areas. It's like a space-time jelly.

[@hokeywolf3416]

It's hard to imagine an infinite past. And then, how many civilizations, species, and cultures have existed before us? An infinite number?

[@robertmacek6777]

It is incomprehensible that now as we know how immensely big universe is that it would be just us. Despite not finding anything ( or maybe they found but didn't let us know yet) it would simply feel absurd kind of unnatural. I think not only it exist there but it is somehow interconnected that what we do influences them and vice versa. And this influence is faster than speed of light somehow. Almost instant..

[@hokeywolf3416]

@robertmacek6777 imagine what could have been discovered by intelligent advanced species who started in the infinite past. We would be not only primitive but barely getting started.

[@hokeywolf3416]

@robertmacek6777 well, there could very easily be aliens among us.

[@MagicLoveQueen]

Thanks for uploading❤

[@BeeyondIdeas]

Our pleasure!

[@chrisbaker2903]

I think Fred Hoyle's idea of constant creation and space being added to allow room for each atom that is created is probably closer to the truth than people think.

[@philsurtees]

This is interesting. When it comes to dark energy, and the universe appearing to expand more quickly than we predict it should, I think back to reading about the discovery of the Great Attractor. They were studying something entirely different, and in the process discovered that the Milky Way was being pulled "sideways" at 600km/s. In the same way, I wonder if our Big Bang was simply the latest of many, and that therefore, outside "our" universe - so to speak - there are the results of multiple earlier Big Bangs, and that they have a gravitational attraction which is beyond out imaging, and it is that gravitational pull which is causing the ever-faster expansion of "our" universe. If that makes sense? In other words, there is no such thing as dark energy, it's just that "our" Big Bang occurred inside an enormous universe - the ACTUAL universe, of which our local universe is one miniscule part - and the gravitational pull of the ACTUAL universe, which is outside of "our" universe, is what makes it appear that dark energy exists.

[@panzerblitz2140]

Why do you have to even assume that this "Big Bang" whatever actually happened? "appearing to expand" based on flawed CMB measurements or something doesn't cut it. The "Big Bang" story was started by a Belgian priest.. that should tell you everything you need to know about it.

[@VeronicaGorositoMusic]

Now, imagine what is beyond the actual universe. And beyond that. And again, beyond that. It NEVER stops.

[@Jo1975S]

😊 now there you are to exact point. Even I guessed it so. According to my dream theory . However, will not get convinced with this theory. Untill witness

[@Jo1975S]

Again it was a dream in my sleep but I'm also not so sure of such thing. 🙏

[@magicman9094]

I also think that if the begining had a singularity with infinite mass then it would need infinite area meaning the universe is possibly infinite. I think 100 percent of the mass of the universe was separated in all areas of space in all times allowing the exotic singularity to eject it's mass which would have needed infinite area and possibly an infinite amount of time.

[@darrennew8211]

I don't know how we start with "a tiny ball of stuff" and have it become an infinite amount of space.