Beginner Friendly - How to Install a BMS with Bluetooth!!

[@ecospider5]

The Bluetooth being added to BMS units is great. I never trust scavenged battery builds without being able to see the individual cell voltages to make sure the bms is working.

[@AveRage_Joe]

100% Agreee!!!💥💥

[@offgrid2010]

Exactly. My batteries are from medical equipment which sat on the shelf unused for a year but they're re-wrapped so I can't get mfgr specs. I consider active monitoring critical for the life of the ride and safety to boot.

[@krzysztofkozorys516]

Booooom Joe, nice to See you again.Best regards from Poland 👍.

[@Time-Trvlr]

Even improvising some tools you did a superb job and great video too. Thanks!

[@ecospider5]

When using multiple wires to carry a large load make sure each wire by it self can handle 60% of the load. This protects the wires incase one has a touch more resistance than the other pushing a larger percentage of the load to the other wire.

[@alainthevenin8495]

Hi Joe, Great video! very informative. Please point me to the link to get the Xiaoxiang software that I can make changes of the parameters of the cells. Thanks a lot

[@loucinci3922]

What type of fuse would you use to connect negative cable to BMS? Thanks for sharing

[@AveRage_Joe]

I personally like using HRC fuses! They can extinguish a dc arc in the event there is a short ect... I would not recommend one of those cheap black resetable breakers!💥🤘

[@papastauth]

BOOM! Good to see you! Thanks for this Brother!

[@AveRage_Joe]

💥💥💥😄Thanks for watching!!💥🤘

[@israrhaq73]

Very informative video from where you bought the battery box

[@JustinTimeEnglishClip]

Very clear and helpful.

[@AveRage_Joe]

Thanks!🤘

[@schunkelndedschunke6914]

Great video. Greatings from Austria.

[@AveRage_Joe]

Thanks Mate! Hows things across the pond?💥🤘

[@uhjyuff2095]

I want to say thank you so much for displaying the "Function setting" in the app and saying "this is how you want to set this page." I wonder when DALY is going to change their app so the balance feature will actually work, lol. Even Overkill Solar says to enable "balance when charging" for best results, LOL.

[@AveRage_Joe]

Yeah I cant say Ive seen much on all the settings ect... Id say for the inital charge, the charge while balance is fine but once "charged" Id turn that guy off!🤣💥🤘

[@uhjyuff2095]

@@AveRage_Joe imo, "charge while balance" makes no sense because the cells only drift apart when one cell reaches about 97 percent charge and above. Then the cell protection kicks off charging and what do we have... ZERO BALANCING! if the cells are in balance then the cell protection won't trip and who cares about balancing because the cells are perfect. Off-grid garage explained it very nicely that "balance while charging" is shit.

[@AveRage_Joe]

Yup thats pretty much it!!!🤘 Love his ch!!

[@gsftom]

Like the video. Clear and concise without unnecessary blah, blah 😀. I picked up some good pointers. Glad u will be doing this full time. Subscribed.

[@AveRage_Joe]

Thanks Man and Appreciate that!!

[@dannpd1955]

Thanks for the info. You did a great job explaining all the ins and outs of installing a BMS. I learned a lot. Liked and subbed.

[@AveRage_Joe]

Thanks, Appreciate it!🤘

[@stevenlane729]

That is an awesome battery case.

[@AveRage_Joe]

Yeah it is!!!💥🤘

[@glennlockey1012]

Great video as always ( still miss the karate chops! ) just wondered what the range is on that bms. On my new battery build I want to have a tablet display of the bms in the room next door so just wondered what the 'line of sight' and 'through walls' range is on that unit. Keep up the good work and look forward to your next update!

[@AveRage_Joe]

Ooooooo the Ole Karate Chop! Havent done one of those in FOREVER LOL!!! Range isnt to bad at all actually. I can be upstairs or one floor up and a room over and still get a signal. Id say at least 30ft going through the floor!

[@Tech4UbyJames]

Very informative!!! Awesome job! Alright meow tell us more about that Rhino battery!!! How is it doing?

[@AveRage_Joe]

Thanks Man! Another Rhino vid will be coming soon! It has been doing great!!! If we have sun I can keep the house off grid 24/7! Minus those 240v items that need to be connected when I get time🤠⚡️⚡️🤘

[@saddle1940]

I wonder if it is possible to connect this type of circuit to supercaps instead of cells. I would like to have a 12v buffer cap between my battery and an inverter but I don't trust those caps they put into car audio setups. Just wiring supercaps in series seems a bit loose with safety as they tend to have value differences in 10s of percents.

[@evil17]

A good question. I believe the short answer is yes you can use this type of balancing bms for capacitors, provided you can adjust the voltages to satisfy the caps limits, however, a Maxwell type supercap will generally have a balancer of sorts between each cap and ur caps total voltage should be at least a bit higher than ur battery voltage in a solar setup & there is probly no real benefit unless you want to run ur caps at a bit higher voltage than ur batteries for some extra surge protection for ur batteries for when. A heavy load starts up. You still need batteries in the system of course as the caps only really help with battery surge and inverter ripple and can provide for the short bursts or surges of power needs and are great for starting motors, Aircon’s, microwaves & coffee machines , etc, when ur on Solar & inverter power as u probly know. I have thought about using a bms for caps myself, but I dont think it is really necessary as if u have a 16v-17v capacitor setup on a 12v system it should be fine with the normal balancers that are made for the caps because the batteries should keep the voltage down under 12v-15v. Cheers

[@learningtogether1902]

ThanKS for this amazing video,I have 15.4kWh byd lithium batteries but unfortunately for me I have lost the bic in the pack which means the bms can't They are still fresh batteries I have not used yet I want to know if I can put I another bms an if that can work properly? 4:42 I have a 48v byd lithium batteries but unfortunately i misplaceed a card in the Battery pack that commicates with the bms is it posible to use any other bms or is there a way to use the batteries without any issues??

[@offgrid2010]

Exactly where i need to be. Thank you!

[@eddydar]

You hooked up the negative of the bms bit where did you hook uo the positive.

[@MrJacquesvheerden]

YoYo what is up Joe!!! Never wasted my time Sir...well, maybe a bit, when I have to wait weeks for you next brilliant video to pop up on my phone... Just kidding Sir. No time wasted here. No kitty action thus time round??? Anycase, all of the best Sir. Peace ✌out. 🇿🇦

[@AveRage_Joe]

Yoyo!!!!! Thanks mate appreciate that!!! Yeah I had some kitty out takes but couldnt seem to find them lol🤷‍♂️🐈‍⬛🐈‍⬛🐈‍⬛🤣💥🤘

[@hunter8202]

Is it better for the battery if I set it up to charge up to 90% via the BMS which or leave it to charge to 100%? It will be used every day.

[@dennishiggins6766]

Thanks for the video Joe

[@AveRage_Joe]

Thanks for watching!💥🤘

[@Blueworld950]

Where you buy the casing for cells

[@simonazulay4781]

Hi i have jbd bms 16s ..i have 16 cells 100Ah 3.2V batt..when one of the cells go undervoltage alarm the bms disconnect the discharge and charging..the ouput voltage is 0V..my bms connected to off grid inverter with charger built in..do you know why the bms not allow charging and keep triped till i clear manually with the app the alarm

[@clarenceahnefeld2075]

great job on info on the app. from overkill solar.... thank you

[@bluetrepidation]

That battery case is cool!

[@somedude3423]

Hi great video. Did your BMS come with power cables to connect the battery negative terminal to the BMS and then the BMS to the load / charger 7:58 ?

[@HiepNguyen-up5jx]

Hi Joe ! I am having problem with charing 48v battery can you help me ?

[@dimitrisgeorgiadis2528]

Hello dear friend ,very nice video ,I have bought four batteries 3.2v 300A intended for 12 v connection ,I bought a BMS for 300A,is this nessesarry? To choose a BMS according to the power of the battery? Or I should choose a BMS according to the power of my solar panels?

[@AveRage_Joe]

Hello there. Yes you want a bms capable of handling the batteries or higher then the intended load. This protects the battery. The charge controller will take care of charging voltage of solar. Both are needed.

[@halilkacmaz6714]

What is the awesome looking gray connector name that you use for easy battery connection?

[@ceeweedsl]

Anderson. Very robust.

[@SolarEngineering]

nice video! thanks

[@AveRage_Joe]

Thanks Man!💥🤘

[@restfulplace3273]

Thanks for the detail.

[@joeabad5908]

Just what I needed.. Thanks for the efforts.. Godbless your channel

[@AveRage_Joe]

Thanks for watching!!🤘

[@rickloudermilk6351]

should the bms be configured to balancing on charging or delivering a charge? mine only balances on charging the 12 volt lifpo. thanks

[@oceanz55]

Hey Joe! Great to see you back! What exactly are the 'release' values for?

[@AveRage_Joe]

Lets say your battery hits high cell cut off at 3.65v and the bms cuts charging. The voltage of that cell has to drop to the release voltage you have set in order for the bms to re-enable charging. Same for all the other setings! Hope that helps!💥🤘

[@ΝτίνηςΙορδάνης]

what about heating port ?

[@celorenzo]

Hey, where did you source the acrylic box that contains the four cells?

[@AveRage_Joe]

They come from the same place. They sell them with cells already in them as a "complete" battery.

[@Shmade0304]

Ya thank you so much 🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽🔋🔋🔋

[@AveRage_Joe]

Thanks Mate!!💥🤘

[@kevinmills5293]

Perhaps someone can help with a question I have. There are balance wires for each cell but where does the BMS get it’s power from? If it is drawing current through one of the balance wires (the red one?) won’t that skew the voltage reading for the last cell?

[@ecospider5]

Properly designed BMS’ use the voltage from the whole battery not just one cell. But yes there are bad designs. If it is pulling power from just one cell the BMS will be constantly trying to balance the other cells down to that one. If it does this to much it can pull the whole pack below safe levels. So if you are unsure if this is happening you need to test the battery voltage daily for a couple weeks to make sure it is not dropping to fast.

[@kevinmills5293]

@@ecospider5 I’m sure the BMS will be taking power from the whole pack. The negative supply will be from main negative terminal but as far as I can see, the positive will be coming from the red wire which also serves as the voltage sense wire for the last cell. The current draw to operate the BMS will cause a voltage drop in the sense wire which can’t be good.

[@ecospider5]

My thought is the balancing of cells happens over many hours. I have had a balance cycle take over 24 hours. If this is true for most bms systems then enough of the balancing happens when the battery is not in use for that voltage drop to not be an issue.

[@neironasgautamas654]

DAMN U WORE MAKING VIDEOS THEN I WAS 12.....so damn cool im 26 started projects 4 years ago and learning from u aloooot @@

[@davidpatrick1813]

Hands are clean and looks like you play the six string ... Nice video and I am going to (hope to) build my own pack soon.. for the first time. 400 plus Ah

[@AveRage_Joe]

Lol if I have dirty hands, EVERYONE notices and throws a fit🤣🤷‍♂️ 400ah will be a NICE battery man! 🤘

[@hunter8202]

How low should the battery lifepo4, fall before recharging? It will be used on a wheelchair. Thank you!

[@AveRage_Joe]

If using an 8s, I would recharge at 24v or a little higher.

[@TheronCulpp]

So I take it the black cables on the bms would go to what your peeing as they are the negative terminals?

[@AveRage_Joe]

Yes they are your negative terminal👍

[@Dzlegacy83]

I’m new to all of this so I’m sorry if this question is silly. This system you built was a 24v system correct? With all that you had in the video battery’s and BMS, could you have built a 12v setup by connecting the cells differently? I hope that makes sense 😂

[@AveRage_Joe]

No worries Man! Yeah I connected up a 24v battery with a bms. Yes you could reconfigure to 12v for sure. Either 2 "seperate" 12v batteries or 1 12v battery by connecting cells in parallel. Obvi you would need a 1 or 2 12v bms's depending on configuration you set up.🤘

[@RobertMartinTheGreat]

I have a eight batteries at 7.7 To create a 48 V battery what BMS would I use on that

[@oogie-boogie]

who makes that heat gun? that's cool

[@AveRage_Joe]

I got it from harbor freight!!🤠💥🤘

[@liondecour4567]

😮 hello joe longtime no hear thanks for JBD im also using it in 600ah 16s

[@AveRage_Joe]

Havent heard from you in a long time also! How ya been?

[@liondecour4567]

@@AveRage_Joe stil same my powerwall with luxpower im in my ownbusiness now in solar

[@CarleFoote]

I have a 16 cell battery pack. I am installing a 16s overkill bms. However after connecting the balance leads i find an extra lead #15 white. so i have a black negative bc0 a red positive 16 and no place for 15.. What do i do to get around this. The bms is shutting down dud to under voltage i cel 15

[@AveRage_Joe]

You are missing a wire somewhere for sure. Does your first cell have 2 balance wires on it? For exp... you have the black on neg(bc0). Do you also have the first white balance wire on that same cell positive? I could also look at there instructions and see if they have something odd

[@AveRage_Joe]

I looked at the wire diagram and it looks normal. You should have 17 balance wires connected. Each battery will have a balance wire on the positive terminal. Cell 1 will have a black neg (bc0) and a white pos (bc1). Cell 16 will have the red (bc16).

[@CarleFoote]

Thanks for your comments. I rechecked and what i found is a 15 cell pack not 16 as i thought. So its 15 cells at 3.2v =48. So that accounts for the extra balance wire. The BMS is 16s. What do I do? Also is there a tutorial on the xaioxiang BMS app?

[@AveRage_Joe]

If I remember right you cant "trick" those bms's by using 2 balance wires on one cell. Some can but some cannot. Can you get 1 more cell to add in and make a 16s or is it a prebuilt? Only other solution is to get another bms

[@CarleFoote]

@@AveRage_Joe if another cell is added the system will be overloaded voltage wise set for 48v another will make it 51.2v

[@jasonbroom7147]

Smashed like button at "smashy-smash".

[@AveRage_Joe]

Only way to go!!!🤣🤣🤘💥

[@GreenTechFusionRenewableEnergy]

Dude, where is the info on where and what that case is for batteries! I like it and want some. No links I see….

[@AveRage_Joe]

I have a link to the battery and they come with the case. Dont think they offer the case for sale....yet!😄

[@gracasoares4537]

I touched the battery output wires, positive and negative very quickly and the jbd bms went into protection saying "locked MOS" and I can't get it to work anymore. Any suggestion to help me?

[@olezimmermann7518]

Guten Tag, ich habe ein Jiabaida DP04S007-S 4S 100A, ich habe die Xiaoxiang App auf dem Iphone installiert. Bluetooth ist eingeschaltet. Leider erscheint das BMS nicht in der Liste. Hast du eine Idee? Gruß Ole

[@zeshansiddiquu9902]

Boss in my mob with Ur give app is showing ( balancing close) but in yours (balance balancing).where is balancing starts option in Ur given app ? Plz reply 🙏!

[@oculophilia8724]

Looks like you are on Android but you said app store? The overkill solar app isn't pickup up the BMS but my phone's Bluetooth menu can see it.

[@lookoutleo]

I have this BMS and app but I'm finding when I try turn charge and discharge but it won't work

[@uvajedagain]

NEVER touch both terminals. At time 6:43 he touched the positive terminal with one hand and the negative terminal with his other hand. This creates a direct electrical current path through the heart. While you might be able to get away with this with a low voltage battery like this one, this can be instant death with a voltage as low as 42volts. Even when working on lower voltage batteries, develop safe work habits to prevent electrocution when you start working on more dangerous batteries. ALWAYS work on a battery with ONLY one hand whenever possible. ALWAYS insulate electrodes you are not working on to avoid accidental contact by hands or tools.

[@ceeweedsl]

Well done Thanks.

[@AveRage_Joe]

Thanks!🤘

[@frynrap]

hello! I have a bank of 4 cells 100 ah and a bms jbd, the problem is that the percentage of the battery drops randomly and the voltage does not show correctly 13v on the application and 13.3 on the measuring device and the percentage is 10%. why does it do this?

[@AveRage_Joe]

If the SOC% drops randomly....hmmm I cant say Ive seen that unless powering things. Voltage will show slightly different then what your volt meter will show due to tolerances of testing device. I can test with 3 different volt meters and all show a diff voltage. It almost sounds like the bms needs to be reset back to factory. Once done, set the capacity of the pack and try a capacity test.

[@garysmith2104]

Can this BMS be used on lead acid batteries?

[@AveRage_Joe]

No need on lead acid!🤘

[@pulesjet]

Cut your BMS wires to the right length. Keep your wire orderly and proper harness like. Cutting your BMS sense wire that way is much much more tidy and less a mess. The miniscule difference then keeping them all the same length is boxnex.

[@AveRage_Joe]

Almost did that!!🤣

[@ceeweedsl]

Only might be a problem if you ever want to use that BMS a different position. Maybe I decide to install the battery somewhere new and need to move the BMS to the side...

[@stephenjury2592]

My charge discharge won't stay enabled

[@Charlemagne1367]

Thanks for this video. Bluetooth does not want to connect on mine. I have a JBD bms, 8s 160a with 3 leads on either side. Balance lead reads the correct voltages, the bms c- reads correct voltage, bluetooth dongle has a blue light but no phone wants to connect. Tried 2 different phones, 2 different android version 10 and 11 and both Xiaoxing and Overkill solars' apps, everytime the app says device info fail error -2. Anyone have a solution ?

[@AveRage_Joe]

Did you ever get it going? Only thing I can recommend is make sure to only have 1 of the apps installed at a time. I wanna say I had this issue(on a diff battery) and I uninstalled the 2nd app and it worked.

[@SHUB_MetalZone]

interesting and clear 😉

[@AveRage_Joe]

Thanks Mate!💥🤘

[@RuiSjm]

Hi, a have 17s bms Bluetooth connected to 14s pack, but bms detect 15s and last cell 0.17v, I can’t change to 14s on app, it not save it, what can I do?

[@AveRage_Joe]

I would recheck the wiring with the instructions. I know many of those bms's have you connect multiple balance wires to one or 2 specific battery terminals. Then it should show correctly on app.

[@RuiSjm]

@@AveRage_Joe I find problem, I need disable sw switch on app!

[@AveRage_Joe]

Oh yeah those pesky switches🙃

[@kennethalmond8922]

Really nice video, detailed but yet moved along. Vice crimping and hammer dimples demonstrated is really useful. Really enjoy following your presentations :)

[@AveRage_Joe]

Thanks Man and thanks for watching!!💥🤘

[@offgridwanabe]

Let the tests begin

[@AveRage_Joe]

😄💥🤘⚡️⚡️

[@Hunter918-98]

What's up buddy!!

[@AveRage_Joe]

YOOOOOO!!😄🤘💥

[@igorkvachun3572]

Yes Akb 🔋⚡💡🇺🇦✌️

[@AveRage_Joe]

🤠💥🤘🙋‍♂️

[@kartalinho9350]

👍

[@paul.phillips]

When I was a broke teenager living at home with my parents and building crazy dangerous electronics, I always stripped wires with my teeth. Now I can afford wire strippers.

[@AveRage_Joe]

100% MEE as well LOL🤣🤣🤣💥

[@DiyintheGhetto]

@ 9:00 Smash it real good. BOOM ✴✴✴✴

[@AveRage_Joe]

🤣🤣🤣 💥💥💥💥

[@DiyintheGhetto]

@@AveRage_Joe man you forgetting your lines man. 😂 😆 😝

[@sailork3506]

Could not connect to the app and the bms. You skipped over that at 10,000 feet. How do I connect to my BMS? I have android phone. I downloaded the app with the blue elephant.

[@AveRage_Joe]

Id go to overkillsolar and download that version. Once installed, you click on the bms that shows up on the screen. Thats it my friend!

[@campcraftcanada]

Great 👍🏻 explanation!!! Just got my BMS jbd Thx Man.

[@AveRage_Joe]

Thanks for watching!🤘

[@DanBurgaud]

Aren;'t those BRASS bars?

[@judgedredd8876]

At 2:05 Those are 8mm studs not 5/16s. Like an M8 bolt. Nobody in their right mind would use inches and fractions of an inch when manufacturing posts.

[@ANTBMSFACTORY]

Hello, WE ARE ANT BMS FACTORY, CAN WE HAVE CONNECTION?

[@AveRage_Joe]

Email is [e-mail]. What did you need?

[@marcofreeenergy2884]

wauw

[@AveRage_Joe]

🤠🤘

[@theboston3386]

I love this guy. He's telling stupid people that they're stupid without saying it. People like me 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@sailork3506]

Well, that was useless.

[@laspeeders17]

This channel used to be exciting Not anymore

[@AveRage_Joe]

Thanks for the feedback. Work is busy so it takes most of my time!🤷‍♂️

[@rakeshagrahari2046]

Best video ❤❤❤❤

[@WilliamRNicholsonLST-1195]

Funny that this platform says treat the content creators with respect ! Of course we will treat this kind gent with respect ! As for the platform operators , it's a good thing No One comments about them ! Nick , NavyBlueSmoke , LST-1195

[@saabzaydan6066]

please i have some question if you can help me 1- i can not see Bluetooth Adress of my Battery in app, Bluetoothis on , i instelled another BMS app and no App can see my battery 2- when i charge my Battery 100% and red light in chargen turn to green light but Screen of my electric Motocycle show that battery not full charged ! and only 3 Points from 4 Points are lightning when i measure Voltage is 72.5 to 73 .1 my battery is 60V 40 A is Problem from Battery or charger or Screen of motocycle ? my battery is new this is second charging , but it drain quickly , first kilomenter 2 Point after 5 km 1 to 2 point voltage is 68 what do you think ?