💥 BEGINNER WELDING SERIES - INSTALLING A WELDER OUTLET

[@BrandonLund]

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[@rogergordillo1168]

Can u explain the whole 30 amp and 50 amp situation where u said you would rather trip the breaker than burn the shop down

[@williamreynolds8210]

Great vid, Brandon! Thank you. Can you put the specs on the 6ga. Cable, recepticle, and circuit breaker on the explanation section of this video? How long is the extension cable? Is it prefabricated? Thanks again!

[@billarroo1]

I'm 74, when I was 12, reading hot rod magazines I saw on the back cover an ad for an arc welder called the FOURWAY arc welder made in Chicago, Illinois. It was $14.95 !! I saved up my money and sent away for it. 9 weeks later it arrived, they weren't very efficient at shipping back in 1959. It was 1 setting 30amps ac. It used 1/16" 6011. I never saw anyone weld so it was all new to me, after I plugged it in to 110 ac. I struck my first arc, and it SCARED THE SH-T !! out of me 😃😃. finally I figured out what to do. I became a welder by the time I was 20. 😃😃. GREAT VIDEO THANKS

[@BrandonLund]

Awww man thats an awesome story! I'm 51 so I can relate to a lot of it. I too looked forward to going to our local drug store where my dad would buy the newest hotrod magazine and I could't wait to see all the novas, chevelles and camaros. When you mentioned how you struck your first arc and it scared the s!@t out of you, I laughed out loud. A lot of the younger fellers pre internet like you and I wouldn't know what it's like to order something and wait for it to arrive all without ever seeing a video of how it works beforehand. Sometimes we forget how different life was not too many years ago. Thank you for sharing. You brought up a lot of good memories of my younger years.

[@RobinRK1962]

Hi Brandon, I just installed 100 Amp service in my garage. I picked up my mig welder from my parents place, along with Dad's arc welder and his small mig. I'm excited to start using them again. When I was teaching welding/millrighting at the college back in 2000 I got into a car accident that really messed me up. Here I am 21 years later back at it, but at 59 I don't have the steam I did back then. It made me feel good inside watching you return to older equipment as I am now. Thank you for that. - Robin

[@BrandonLund]

Thanks Robin. I know what you mean. I'm 51 and feel every day of it. Good on you for getting back out in the shop. It will keep you young....mentally and physically.

[@michaeldvorak5556]

I was happy to see you rotate the receptacle. Takes stress off of the plug and wires and also protects against the possibility of your metal face plate coming loose and falling across your two hot plug terminals.

[@BrandonLund]

Good point on the faceplate! I never thought of that!

[@benkanobe7500]

I'm 63 and have just started trying to weld (Harbor Freight 90 amp Flux Core). I purchased a very old Tomb Stone Lincoln Stick welder (red) that I think is AC and I want to try that as well so was watching to learn how to put in a breaker. The guy I purchased the Lincoln from had it since new and was a professional welder. He ran some beads for me to show me how well it worked. I was jaw dropped at the welds he produced on that old Lincoln!

[@BrandonLund]

Those old welders are pretty much bullet proof. Yes it's an AC welder. Actually one of the 1st machines I learned on using 6011 rods.

[@joelalleman9591]

I started welding with one of the old sears welders about 40 years ago, these machines were made by Century for Sears and Roebuck. There were many variations of these welders . I have the AC DC type 230 amp rating . Super heavy transformer machine . It served me well for many years and sits in a permanent position on a shelf in my shop still ready for use if needed. the transformer machines seem to be very durable over many , many years. Nice to see one of these machines again , thanks for sharing !!

[@BrandonLund]

@Joel Alleman thanks man! They are darn neat bullet proof. Heavy Duty indeed!

[@thomaslewis9526]

I have exactly the same machine, but in the 110v version. It can do 100A, with a 20% duty cycle. You can't (shouldn't) run long beads, but for most home shop repairs, it works fine. Just do several short beads instead of one long. You can spread out the heat more. You want smaller electrode sizes, 3/32's, or the more expensive 5/64, or 1/16". The sticks that work on this machine, 6011, 6013, 7014, 7018AC also work for my cheap inverter welder. If the Amazon brand of the month lets me down, I know I can finish the job with the Craftsman (as can my grandchildren and maybe their grandchildren.) These come up at yard sales. Also, if you have the knowlege, may offer a cheap restoration project, if the windings are in good shape. Thanks for bringing this up.

[@BrandonLund]

Thanks for sharing! I don't know they made a 110 version. Pretty cool! I will have to keep my eyes peeled on marketplace

[@davidboreham]

Nice that you admitted installing the outlet upside down! We've all been there.

[@BrandonLund]

Thanks man! Whenever I mess up I try to not edit it out. It just shows that none of us are perfect and to always keep trying 👍

[@theidahodian4518]

Thanks for bringing up the point of the 'weak link' being the extension cord and changing the breaker to a 30a. I'm going to do that also. Very informative video.

[@BrandonLund]

And just to add to it, I have NEVER blown a braker doing it this way either and that includes running inverter welders as well as an old toumbstone welder.

[@rickbolin]

Love your videos Brandon. I’m looking forward to your upcoming welding series. Stay warm!

[@BrandonLund]

rickbolin Thank you very much! This should be a very interesting series! Take care brother!

[@giottolaudo7672]

Awesome vid, but I have to say: article 630 of the NEC. Learn it, live it, love it. (It allows much smaller conductors for dedicated welder circuits. You could have used #10 wire throughout and been compliant with code, with a 50A breaker. ONLY IN A DEDICATED WELDER CIRCUIT It's because it's an intermittent load. Google article 630. Love your channel man!

[@giottolaudo7672]

On that note, this video rocks: m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/moikhIhpotCqi6M (All about article 630)

[@BrandonLund]

@giottolaudo7672 I appreciate that man! Can you answer a question for me that I get asked all the time. I think it might relate to what you told me here. Most inverter welders come with a #12 cord, yet they are being plugged into 30 and 50 amp welder receptacles. Are they able to use a #12 cord rated at 20 amps due to that intermittent load? You wouldn't believe the number of comments I get from people saying it's illegal (maybe it is but it seems to be everywhere). Thanks again man for your input and your support!

[@802Garage]

​@@BrandonLund I'm not an electrician, but my understanding is the quick answer is yes, at least depending on the actual input Amperage and duty cycle of the welder. For example, if the input Amperage is 38A and the duty cycle is 50%, the cable used could actually be rated for 19A, so obviously 20A would cover it. This is a serious simplification, but it might explain why the cords that come with machines can be so light duty. IMO, it is best to install proper wiring and circuitry for a receptacle to reach the rating for general use. Do it once and make it future proof. 6 gauge copper, 50A breaker, good brand 50A receptacle. Then if someone plugs an EV charger in going forward or you get a much bigger welder, it won't burn up. An extension cord being the weak link is much less scary IMO.

[@802Garage]

​@@BrandonLund All that said, I do understand your logic of using a 30A breaker and it's very smart for your specific extension cord use. I highly doubt it will ever trip with most welders.

[@mattcero1]

Yah,,,yah suuuuuuurrrrree, let's make sure it's not live before we jam things in there,,,,yahhhhh. Awesome video guy. I think up to this point, the only thing that has stopped me from getting a Harbor Freight cheap combination welder was the fact that quality welding is hard to do on 120. But you just lifted the limitation sir. Thank you. You're not making too many electricians happy though :) .

[@BrandonLund]

If I'm not creating hate and discontent something is wrong lol. I've had real good luck with my blue demon welder. That's a 120 / 240 welder and I literally cant tell the difference when it's on 120 vs. 240 (other than it wont max put on 120) and it easily runs a 6010 rod. 240 is nice if its available and affordable but you can do a lot with 120. Cheers and thanks for the support :)

[@JacekStrzembkowski]

Thank you for the series. Although I have a different 230 or 400 Volts installation, but as to the rules, it is very useful to see what and how.

[@BrandonLund]

+Jacek Strzembkowski thank you! This will be a very fun and interesting series. I'm really excited :)

[@berstongeorge]

Thank you Brandon for the tip. I just bought a 225AC Lincoln welder machine. I notice you use two 30 amp fuses instead of 50 amp fuse.

[@BrandonLund]

Glad I could help. My welder extension cords are #10 awg which are rated at 30 amps so my breakers are sized for the thinnest wire in the system.

[@deadmanprodinc]

Great video and thanks for sharing your memories and back story on the old welder and the work its done!

[@BrandonLund]

Thanks 👍

[@MarioIArguello]

Great Video! A good respirator just as important as a good mask. Health concerns kept me from using a welder earlier in my life. Now I got a small welder and I love it, great for fixing metal things around the house. Maybe build full scale single man helicopter frames. 👍

[@BrandonLund]

Right on!

[@davehoward2791]

Cool video, thanks! A plus to this setup is in a power outage you can throw the main house breaker and use this 240v outlet to hook a generator to your house. This setup worked great for me after Hurricane Sally knocked the power out for a week here in Gulf Coast Alabama. 👍

[@BrandonLund]

Thanks man and great idea about the generator hookup. I just picked one up this summer that needs some work from sitting. It will be in an upcoming video :)

[@davehoward2791]

Best of luck with it, I hope you get it working right. Generators are priceless once the power goes out!👍

[@nateyoder9372]

Thanks Brandon! I’ve been in industry for about a year and this is one of the areas I still am still trying to figure out

[@BrandonLund]

Anytime man. Glad to help brother!

[@gurjindersingh199]

I'm an electrician and I think you did a good job bro. One thing that is really odd is my ex boss at my old job looked like you.

[@BrandonLund]

@gurjinder Singh thanks man I appreciate it! 🙏

[@dennisvestby4432]

Brings back memories, thank you.

[@BrandonLund]

You bet! :)

[@amscout1156]

This is very useful. My friend needs to put in a 220v volt outlet for his Everlast welder.

[@shutterbugg5217]

I enjoy watching your old videos and came across this one. I spotted something that you need to fix. For a sub panel, the ground and the neutral are NOT to be bonded together. You must remove the green screw that is bonding the ground strap to the neutral bar. I learned this recently when I added a subpanel to my shop. I read it can be an electrocution hazard. I'm not sure I understand it correctly, but my electrician nephew confirmed this for me. Keep up the videos!

[@BrandonLund]

Thanks man! I appreciate it. I'll remove the ground screw today! Thanks again!

[@hunky_dory_7021]

Hi. I was reading through the comments hoping to find this one. If you’re making a 240v connection to a sub panel, your ground should be the neutral, as this will go back to the main panel neutral which is tied to the main ground, vs. the sub panel ground which is not tied to neutral and has its own grounding rod.

[@thomasmarable6818]

@@hunky_dory_7021 not true if the sub panel is wired correctly . A ground wire must be pulled fron the main panel thus connected by to neutral by the bond in the main panel

[@jaquesdaniels2964]

220/240 is standard juice over here in Euroland so we are kinda lucky there. I plug for 6013s because they can be used on transformers (buzzboxes) or inverters (they can "arc blow" sometimes on inverters but rod angle often reduces that massively), 7018s can be a PITA to restart so I only use em occasionally, be interesting to see how you get on with em on the buzzbox. They are supposed to be kept in an oven blah blah blah, but for home use I just keep mine in the house, I'm not welding any critical stuff. Stick and fluxcore MIG I do outside or by the open shop door with a fan at the bottom end of the shop to push the fumes out.Welding cart for first project?.Now you got all that power, you should be able to charge up your razor :).

[@BrandonLund]

Jaques Daniels Hey there buddy! I never had much luck running 6013 on this machine. It could be rod angle like you mentioned. I plan to burn a bunch of various rods and see how it works out. I'm very curious to see how this will run a 7018ac rod. The 6011 rods you see in the video have been sitting in an unheated garage for 15 years! I can't believe they even lit lol! I might do a welding cart project...maybe one to hold multiple welders? So the deal at work was everyone had to go back to being clean shaven by January 1st. So now that everyone was clean shaven and high and tight, boss man decided that the beards could stay...im a bit undecided now! Lol.

[@f14tomcataocretired95]

Super Instructional video. Well put together. Thanks for the tips. Installing my outlet soon. Have a great Navy day!

[@BrandonLund]

Thanks for watching and thank you for your service! 👍😁

[@MotorBuilds]

For the hots, red/black, does it matter which prong they power? I cant tell which wire went to which prong in the video. I think its black to the shorter one and red to the taller one?

[@BrandonLund]

@Retro for the hot wires red and black it doesn't matter which hot lug they are connected to.

[@michaelwhiting878]

I know this video is about 5 years old, but I’m hoping to make you and anyone who sees this aware that not all outlets have the same safety margin. There is a difference in quality and safety margins when it comes to NEMA 6-50R outlets. I noticed you used a Leviton brand outlet commonly available from Home Depot. Take a close look at the internal contacts in terms of material and size i.e. how much metal comes in contact with the prongs of the plug. Although UL rated, I think you would be surprised how often these overheat and burn up when the plug gets loose in the outlet. We are all familiar with how warm a vacuum cleaner plug gets in a worn socket, same principle here. Both Welders and Electric Vehicle Chargers get cycled routinely, wearing out the receptacle contacts which become loose over time which can cause the outlet to overheat during heavy current flow. In fact certified Tesla Charger Installers will almost always use the Hubbell for this very reason. There are several videos and photos of burnt receptacles to illustrate this phenomenon. I recommend you look at two other brands that I am aware of and visually compare them for your self to Leviton. First and most expensive is the HUBBELL brand available on Amazon. Second and available at Lowe’s is UTILITECH brand. This is almost as heavy duty as the Hubbell brand and much less expensive. You will find they have heavy duty Brass Full Width contacts. Also of note is that these type of receptacles have very specific TORQUE specifications for the internal terminal connections. I have seen on average between 20 and 30 inch pounds, which is much more than your average DIY person would think. If possible use or borrow a Torquing device of some kind that is marked for Inch Pounds. I hope people will see this comment and look into this issue for themselves when installing or replacing NEMA 6-50R outlets. I know I immediately replaced my Leviton with a Hubble (at the time I was unaware of the Lowe’s UTILITECH version). One last note: periodically, it is a good idea to check the torque on the internal terminals, inspect the receptacle for signs of heating, and or loose contacts. The more you cycle that outlet, the more frequently you should inspect it. I check mine at each Daylight Savings change.

[@fredastaire6156]

Hi! I read your comment and it helped me. Thank you! 🙏🏾

[@michaelwhiting878]

@@fredastaire6156 You’re Welcome - I’m glad I could help.

[@lowellhalsteadjr4832]

Thank you, I will take your advice

[@playden70]

Hi Brandon, long time subscriber here. I finally took the plunge and purchased a welder. My son who is 16, wants to become a mechanic and IMO, he needs to know how to weld too. So I got him the welder (for me too ;) ) and I need to setup power for it. It's a Yeswelder 205DS Pro. It is a multi process welder that can do 220 and 110. I want to setup a 220 plug in my garage and your video helped alot. I just want to confirm something however. Considering I want to get a plasma cutter as well at some point, I want to be able to use the plug for both. Is this setup ok? 50 amp breaker, 50 amp or NEMA 6-50P compatible plug and 6 gauge wire. I intend on getting a NEMA 6-50P compatible extention cord so I will not have that bottleneck issue. Thanks for the info...Love your channel. I am going through the entire beginner series now! :) cheers Paul, from NB Canada

[@BrandonLund]

Thanks again Paul! I emailed you 👊

[@drickard67]

I've got what would be that welder older brother... But it needs some serious going through to be consistent. Tried the 7018ac rods and couldn't keep an arc. With new leads and tlc it may do better. I've got several welding projects started but the cold (I know it's not Maine cold but it is Alabama cold) has stalled them for now. Looking forward to this s series...

[@BrandonLund]

D Rickard Thanks man. Yeah, I tore into this one about 15 years ago right before it went into hibernation. It wasn't holding its voltage settings. It's all good now though. Maybe I'll crack it open. It was pretty easy to clean / adjust.

[@gordon4385]

First! Yaaay welding! And stick welding to boot, which I definitely suck at.

[@BrandonLund]

Gordon Reiher Hey Gordon! This should a very interesting series. Not only am I going to be teaching a few things, I'm also going to trying a few things I have never done before. We all may learn a few things during this series! Take care buddy!

[@TheGregWallace]

Suggestion.....Great Job, one thing maybe look into getting a ground fault breaker for that outlet.

[@BrandonLund]

Thats actually a great idea! Thank you for sharing @Greg Wallace

[@vanduraful]

You answered the breaker mystery I’ve been curious about. Thank you!

[@BrandonLund]

Your welcome! Glad I could help!

[@RichardBronosky]

What was the mystery?

[@vitvaa143]

Hi Brandon I have a question. what kind cable needs for Lincoln welder 225AC Thank you Leopar.

[@BrandonLund]

To be safe I would install a 50 amp outlet with wire rated for 50 Amps. It will be different size if using aluminum Vs. copper conductors

[@vitvaa143]

@@BrandonLund 👍

[@MileytheJeepV2]

Im wondering if i can just get a generator and run my welders off that. I wanna get a tig but im also moving to a trailer park soon idk if i can wire a welder in a trailer

[@BrandonLund]

Some welders do better than others on a generator (based on how clean the input power is). It might say in the paperwork that came with the welder if you have it. The trailer will have 240 volt power so its possible. If you have an electric clothes dryer than its super easy. Just put a male dryer plug on the end of a welder extension cord and run it outside when you're welding

[@torwanlaman1936]

I only need to weld few hours, could I plug the welding machine into the oven outlet temporarily?

[@BrandonLund]

An oven outlet and a welder outlet are different. The welder won't plug into it.

[@geecrawdad]

Thinking about tapping into the dryer outlet

[@BrandonLund]

I've done that also

[@nathanwittman9079]

So I'm curious, I'm a welder not an electrician, but when you turn the power off, do you just flip the main breaker switch or is there another way, also does a house breaker box have to have 240v ran to it from the city or wherever, or is whatever wire the electrician run into the house enough to provide any outlets you may put in

[@BrandonLund]

I dont ever really turn off the outlet, but yes the individual breaker that is attached to the welder outlet is what turns it off. The main breaker would also turn it off (along with everything else) whichbis not desirable. Your going to probably want a 240v welder outlet and all residential homes in the U.S. will be wired for 240v. You will just need a 240v volt breaker and the rest of the supplies to rig it up.

[@nathanwittman9079]

@@BrandonLund awesome thanks, I'm watching more videos and I think I'm gonna need a sub panel, but either way, your video answered questions I've had for many years, thank you

[@cdgarrett1]

I was wondering about the house breaker amperage needed for welding equipment. Is a 30 Amp breaker all we need? Some of the TIG machines say they are 160 Amp or more and for some reason I thought they needed a breaker that would handle the 160 Amps or more. My home only has a 60 Amp service so I thought I would have to upgrade my house panel box to a 200 Amp service before I ever got a welding machine. I’ve been a production worker on an assembly line operating a MIG welder so I have always wanted a good TIG machine to learn with. The misunderstanding about the needed house breaker Amperage has always been a hold back. So is it true all I need is a 30 Amp breaker?

[@BrandonLund]

@Charles Garrett spot on. A 30 amp 240 volt breaker is all you need. As far as the welder rating...its because the welder takes the input current and steps it up internally. I just picked up a 240 volt 250 amp AC DC tig welder and can max it out without tripping the breaker. No need to upgrade your service, but with that said, if your welding and your electric stove is on and your electric clothes dryer, your refrigerator as well as other household appliances you might be getting close to your 60 amp main breaker capacity.

[@qweef69]

This was my exact question also. Good to know. I recently installed a new double pole 220 zinco breaker for my new downstairs laundry. Its now going to be laundry room/ work shop.

[@BrandonLund]

Sweet!

[@kayakuprising5914]

So the wires don't require a conduit? Is conduit only for exterior runs?

[@BrandonLund]

This wire is allowed to be concealed within walls if its protected

[@The314moses]

Thank you for an informative video. I was wondering why #6 or#8 wire is used in the panel, but the wire gauge on the extension cord is much lighter. That didn't sound quite right to me.

[@BrandonLund]

Thanks man!

[@nicholecrouch311]

One other thing nice makeup in the plug I missed you see how it looked in the panel but if it look like plug good job man and you are 1 billion percent right about having the screws up and down that was a major pet peeve of my old employer and he made we do so much that it drives me nuts to see screws not lined up at all when I walk into a room lol

[@BrandonLund]

Makes for a professional look :)

[@WV591]

is that #6 wire solid or stranded. THHN or UF ?

[@BrandonLund]

Stranded SER cable.

[@WV591]

@@BrandonLund thx

[@mlbabineaux]

7018-AC rods work great !!

[@BrandonLund]

I love 7018!!!!

[@rogertaylor8615]

I always put the wire on the breaker before I snap it into the box

[@BrandonLund]

That must make it a lot easier to get the wires on

[@david-tracy]

good stuff brotha.. thanks!

[@BrandonLund]

Any time!

[@amealnet2495]

I want to plug into my outside hvac electrical box with an extension cord to a 240 volt welder, is this possible?

[@BrandonLund]

I'm thinking if you have a dedicated 240 volt outlet and both pieces of equipment arent running simultaniously it shouldnt blow the breaker. To be safe you should check with your local electrical codes to make sure it's legal

[@Miata822]

We called 'em CrackerBox welders. yeah, in a storage unit I've still got the one I fished out of a scrap pile 25 years ago.

[@BrandonLund]

Thats awesome man. I love finds like that!

[@kindledninja]

You had me at dangerous and illegal

[@BrandonLund]

🤣🤣🤣 Thanks man!

[@RC-Heli835]

Looks good man! I like your 30 amp breaker thinking to match the chord as well.

[@BrandonLund]

@Blade Thanks!

[@michelangelolavagno1963]

Thanks for your video Brandon .. very professional ciao

[@BrandonLund]

Thank you very much! I'm glad you enjoyed it! I had a lot of fun also! :)

[@Army_Of_Juan]

Watching this video now made me think if I did a good investment buying the 50amp breaker( sold out everywhere, paid almost 3x the price on eBay) still waiting for it.

[@BrandonLund]

@DoubleShotTV even if you dont use all the amperage, you've furture proofed it so in case some day you need it.

[@OldGuy70s]

What would happen if you turned on your 240v welder, but 1 phase of your panel was out & u didn't know, meaning it's only receiving 120v on 1 side correct.? would that cook ur welder...? Just asking because ive had tht issue with my panel where i lost a phase, it only cut off some outlets etc, but if the welder was on when it happened, or i turned it on what would happen.! I'd cry if i wrecked tht welder......Ha -Also... I wired my Dual Volt 160amp Welder Old School Also for 240v Only btw... Only 3 wires, not 4...? 8 gauge... all i could afford, the wire isn't cheap...

[@BrandonLund]

It could fry the machine if ypu were using and one of the phases dropped out. If you were just having it running and it happened it probably wouldn't hurt anything. Yes wire is crazy expensive!

[@rickyparker7589]

Okay I just ordered 10/2 wire. Im planning on just using a 140 mig welder, and a 125 stick welder. What breaker and outlet?

[@BrandonLund]

@RIcky Parker if they are 120 volt only welders you can use a 20 amp breaker and 12/2 wire. #10 wire is good for 30 amps and you will need to match your outlet to whatever you have for a plug on your machine.

[@rickyparker7589]

@@BrandonLund one is a Hobart Handler 140, the other is a yeswelder 125 stick. Which is a 110/220 although i sont see me using 220 with it.

[@BrandonLund]

@Ricky Parker the Hobart will take just a regular 20 amp breaker (if you use #12 or larger wire) with a standard household outlet and if you don't plan to use 220 on your YesWelder then you can use that same outlet. I have their 120/220 volt plasma cutter and im pretty sure it comes wired with the 120 volt plug so if your welder is the same you can just plug it in the same outlet as your Hobart. You just won't use the supplied 220 volt adaptor plug. Hopefully that makes sense.

[@rickyparker7589]

@@BrandonLund it makes sense thank you! I'm redoing all the wiring in my shop to hold both welders and other stuff (not same plugins) I appreciate the help

[@BrandonLund]

Anytime man 👍

[@ahmedhesham8980]

i bought a brand new 220v welding machine with 4mm wire so what is the suitable plug amperage for it?

[@BrandonLund]

I run 50 amp welder outlets because I want everything universal and its what comes standard on 220 volt welders. As far as what size breaker is required for 4mm wire, a quick search indicated a 30 amp breaker would be appropriate but please verify this with an electrician.

[@RichardBronosky]

Why not put a 4 prong outlet on instead of 3? I'm looking to make an outlet so I can start welding. Even though my welder only takes 3 I'm tempted to wire the 4 just so I have it.

[@BrandonLund]

Welders come with that style 3 prong plug and there is no advantage to wiring it any other way, plus it eliminates from having different plugs / receptacles and cord adaptors. Ive gone that route before, dont waste your money. If you wire it with a standard 3 prong outlet, you can use any welder in YOUR shop and you can use YOUR welder anywhere that has standard welder receptacles. You can also buy over the counter welder extension cords that have the factory molded ends without the need of non standardized cord adaptors to make the 3 prong cords fit into a 4 prong outlet. keep it simple and standardized is my recommendation.

[@herbertocavazos6205]

Thank you Brandon. Very informative video.

[@BrandonLund]

Thanks bud!

[@PatrickSalisMEDIA]

will that welder since its ac, do aluminum? and if so, what sticks (electroids) would be good?

[@BrandonLund]

Unfortunately you can't with this type of welder. You could however with a dc setup.

[@PatrickSalisMEDIA]

@@BrandonLund ...THANK YOU

[@BrandonLund]

Anytime! Thanks for watching!

[@benkanobe7500]

I don't know so I am asking...... Why not purchase 6 AWG wire without a Neutral so just the two power wires and the ground??

[@BrandonLund]

Home depot sells short pieces of wire that are left over from the spools for half price. It's a huge savings.

[@garylayne83]

Way to go brandon good job

[@BrandonLund]

Thanks Gary

[@billsbuilds5961]

Thanks for the video Brandon! Did I miss a video where you made those stars that are hanging on the wall? They look great! 👍🏻😉👊🏻

[@BrandonLund]

Bill's Builds Thanks Bill, unfortunately I did not build those, my wife picked them up and insisted they went next to the copper flag :)

[@barntt]

🤔 When did they start pushing 230V ?

[@BrandonLund]

For whatever reason its all over the place. 220, 230, 240 all being the same. I just wish they would pick one

[@sonsinger13]

Hi Brandon, How did you get those wires into the gang box and the sub panel with the gang box installed?

[@BrandonLund]

It's an interior wall and the drywall was not installed on the backside yet.

[@BanKsyPhiL]

Can I ask why you used a #/3 wire instead of a #/2 if your not wiring in a 4 prong?

[@BrandonLund]

Great question. Often times the store will have a short section of wire that is left over from the larger reel and they will sell it at a discounted price. Usually half off. That's what I did here.

[@BanKsyPhiL]

@@BrandonLund Ok makes sense. Thanks for the response.

[@PBS-nm1uu]

this was a good video very informative.

[@BrandonLund]

Thank you! I appreciate you watching and commenting

[@Milo30066]

good video thanks

[@BrandonLund]

Glad you enjoyed it Thank you!

[@tabouagath4812]

Hi please wish breaker can I use Cause I put one 50 it’s not😂work

[@BrandonLund]

You can use anywhere from a 30 - 50. If it doesnt work it's beyond my knowledge

[@mainemade300]

Can I make a Extension cord an pug it into my dryer outlet which is 220 an just pug it it that an run my lincion acr welder off that ?

[@BrandonLund]

That is another alternative. I've done it also.

[@gwardude123]

Is there a ram ranch on ram mountain?

[@BrandonLund]

Its hard telling not knowing...but I think you might hold the answer?

[@blacksteel2434]

If that is a sub panel take out the green grounding screw

[@BrandonLund]

Done :)

[@harrybond007]

What do you do if your fuse box has no spare slots?

[@BrandonLund]

You have to buy "tandem" breakers for 2 of your other circuits, then that will free up 2 places for you 220 breaker.

[@harrybond007]

@@BrandonLund thanks I'll investigate tandem breakers

[@AntonioClaudioMichael]

Great video

[@BrandonLund]

Thanks brother!

[@AntonioClaudioMichael]

@@BrandonLund welding I's a blast everyone needs to be safe if there doing this make sure the main power is off

[@Tsunami101st]

Nice. Looking forward to the rest of the series.

[@BrandonLund]

Thanks man! I am very excited about this series!

[@stevelipinski6390]

May be too late now, and it depends on your local code and the distance to whatever is feeding that sub panel, but a main disconnect in that sub panel would be best. Even if that means "back feeding" through a breaker to act as a main disconnect...

[@BrandonLund]

Good point! I still might do that. I think I might even have a spare 2 pole 100 amp breaker. I'll have to see if I can find it. Thanks man!

[@rogertaylor8615]

I gave one of those welders to a friend it went up to 100 amp

[@BrandonLund]

Those old transformer welders are pretty bullet proof

[@rogertaylor8615]

@@BrandonLund yeah I know but he wanted to learn how to weld so I gave it to him so he could practice

[@BrandonLund]

I love mine. They last forever.

[@lls2412]

How much would an electrician charge to install the plug?

[@BrandonLund]

I would think no less than $200

[@skopjemk]

For this set up about $160

[@dmgmail7021]

I got 2 quote, 650 and 380. Both licensed. And I want my outlet about roughly 12" away from panel. Doesn't seem to be very difficult not sure why it can cost so much... i was expecting about 250 and would have been fine with that.

[@crossroads49]

It looks like you are using aluminum wire, is that right?

[@BrandonLund]

Thats correct Jan

[@tribum]

Aluminum wire?

[@BrandonLund]

Its more common than copper and much less expensive

[@BJSmith-ll3uw]

The "non corrosive stuff" is dielectric grease.

[@ragedigital]

It's really "Conductive grease", which is different from "Dielectric".

[@BJSmith-ll3uw]

Dielectric is non corrosive, that is its purpose. It does look like he used conductive grease.

[@thomasmarable6818]

Had he looked at the recptical it most likely has a cu/ Al rating so it's not needed. I don't use anything on the aluminum alloy cable we have today it's not required.

[@BrandonLund]

@@thomasmarable6818 It's how my former employer wanted aluminum connections to be made and it's not a bad habit to get into. It certainly doesn't hurt.

[@thomasmarable6818]

@@BrandonLund to a point yes but I have had to replace recpticals because of the grease it protected the wire but mess the terminal up have to read the instructions. Remember in todays electrical world it's not true aluminum wire it's an allow

[@777arc2]

Real reason to get 240V - if you use 120 you'll be running around 30A over wire/breaker designed for 15 or 20A at most, so not the safest

[@hubertrobinson8825]

Like to see you doing that 50amp outlet I do welding most of my life but don't like electrical I'm not afraid of it just annoys me trying to hold small things that's all

[@BrandonLund]

Thanks man I appreciate you watching. Are you referring to the outlet on the cord?

[@-smp-scientificmethodpersp838]

Wait... 😲 WTH!?! How did you stick weld off a 30 amp outlet limitation? Don't those run off 50 - 90 amps on average? 6011 rod in this video I'm sure ran you around 70 amps off your arc welder. How?

[@BrandonLund]

I'm not sure why but for this welder im assuming it's the transformers? Same idea with a dual voltage dc welder. How can a welder be set at 90 amps but be plugged into a 120 volt outlet that has a 20 amp breaker without tripping.? Same idea with a plasma cutter set at 30 amps but plugged into a 20 amp breaker... I'm sure someone will chime in that has more knowledge on this.

[@pappaclutch3266]

The welders boost the power to the output amps. You can review any welder manual your interested in to see the required input range. Most are around 30-50amps @max output. Example: 47amps at 200amp output.

[@-smp-scientificmethodpersp838]

@@BrandonLund aaah you're right. Cool, thanks for the response!

[@-smp-scientificmethodpersp838]

@@pappaclutch3266 thanks! Yeah, I'll check it out

[@BrandonLund]

@@pappaclutch3266 thanks man!

[@jaimeprieto8128]

7018 AC rods

[@BrandonLund]

right on!

[@frankgiglio6410]

I dont understand why you would have a 10 gauge extn cord IF the machine requires more amps than that and then match everything to your weak link. Get rid of your weak link extn cord! You prob have a welder that exceeds entry level ones that draw lower amps rated for 10awg like 30 amps based on you having a long extn cord. So Im guessing you are doing MIG, with a good welder that draws mad amps. The Lincoln Pro Mig 180 lists its amp output at 30-180. So if you doing long runs.. that 30 amp breaker is gonna constantly trip right?

[@BrandonLund]

If my cord was larger I could go to the amperage rating on the recipticle but in my experience for 99% of general home hobby welding that I do (up to 3/8" of an inch) I have never need more than this. I have yet to trip the breaker. Length from the breaker plays a role also. Longer distances require heavier cords due to voltage drop. If It becomes a problem i could spend another $60 for a heavier cord and then go with a bigger breaker but I just havent found it's necessary yet. The male plug on 99% of consumer welders are also only rated at 30 amps so rarely if ever would you need more than this unless you were using a long extension cord as I mentioned.

[@pappaclutch3266]

I got 50amp rated everything and I love it. My 50foot 6 gauge extension cord weighs like 50lbs tho lol

[@raulmarin8704]

8:50 AC welding

[@harrybond007]

Why not just use 3 wire cable to start with?

[@BrandonLund]

Because I'm cheap. As I said, i got this for about half price because it was a scrap at Home Depot.

[@jasonault3511]

Your panel is wired wrong. You have a green screw in panel. That means you neutral and ground are bonded together. Unfortunately that panel isn’t the first means of disconnect. That out by your meter. So have take green ground screw out and float neutral and ground. If you get lightning strike your doomed.

[@BrandonLund]

Good eye! I have since removed it. It is now isolated

[@BrandonLund]

Good eye! I have since removed it. It is now isolated

[@nvidiashield3757]

Its the machine your protecting. 6/3 wire with 50amp is a must. The cord coming off the welder is sometimes smaller because of the duty cycle and its short length. Also never use aluminum wire to save a few bucks. Using aluminum wire requires you to go up a gauge or two.

[@BrandonLund]

Ive been using 10/3 on a 30 amp breaker for 3 years and have yet to trip it. Im not sure the added cost for me would be worth it.

[@ogarew7669]

Hello, Brandon, Like от меня !!! Пришлось отложить бег и посмотреть твоё новое видео. Меня это тоже ждёт летом, когда поеду в отпуск. Буду тянуть провод от дома в гараж. Там MIG/MAG, MMA , ленточный станок JET -надо обновить проводку ! Хорошее видео, успехов.

[@BrandonLund]

Thanks buddy! Your going to need that power to run all that equipment your stocking up on! I plan to have a new video up this weekend! I had to post pone my run also...it was too cold to go out, so I decided to stay in and weld :) Take care brother!

[@ogarew7669]

Спасибо, дружище ! Жду новое видео !

[@EmoFox9]

Plugging a 30amp cord into a 50 amp circuit will not burn the cable, using a 60 amp welder on a 30 amp cable will burn. Power is drawn not pushed

[@BrandonLund]

If you draw 50 amps through a cord only rated for 30 it will absolutely overheat and catch fire. To avoid that scenario is why I matched the conductor rating to the breaker size.

[@kyzitemelos]

Get a extension cord rated for 50Amps = Problem Solved

[@BrandonLund]

Why would I buy something I don't need? I have never tripped a breaker

[@kyzitemelos]

@@BrandonLundI'm just raggin on yah bud!

[@BrandonLund]

Its all good 😁

[@Quoctienz5678]

👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍❤

[@BrandonLund]

Thanks Larry!

[@BW-zb2pd]

Let’s go Brandon

[@BrandonLund]

🤣🤣🤣 u know it 😁

[@rockyesterline7942]

You said You like to hook up all the groundwires and then the neutral But here you are not even using a neutral Why do you add that !! you are going to confuse people

[@BrandonLund]

I did it that way, so you would have something to complain about.

[@johnoler357]

I hope you are not using aluminum wire inside your house.

[@BrandonLund]

@John Oler it's perfectly acceptable to feed a main panel or sub panel with AL conductors when sized properly.

[@nicholecrouch311]

Turn off the light for the pool high voltage hopefully we've not only will this hurt like hell and kill you it will also hurt the entire entire time you're dying LOL don't work on panels hot be fucking smart and go kill it at the main panel if your shop is wired up with a subpanel if your wired up with main panel in your shop even when you kill that main power they lugs coming from the outside are still hot so even if you kill the power be fucking careful I like your video dude you explained that really well especially about the 30 amp wire on a 50-amp breaker you will melt those wires insulation and if you put walls up after you've already push this wire you can start a fire in your walls and burn your whole damn shop down like you said never go up a size breaker that is in your panel unless the wire is rated for it or you pose serious risk of starting fires and your breaker will never trip that's one reason why I quit doing residential is because John Doe backyard electrician sometimes fails to realize that and if I don't catch it whenever they have a service call for some problems that place burns down it's on the person with license and you'll have a hell of a time trying to prove to your States Construction Industries Board that you didn't have anything to do with John Doe shop burning down because you didn't install that wire he did I'm subscribing to your channel because I like the video I have a 230 volt arc welder that was made in the 50s or 60s that I just recently picked up and I was just checking with someone besides myself so I didn't install tube big of a breaker and end up burning up my new to me antique welder

[@immanutt4442]

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[@benhansford8524]

Illegal? What are there electricity police now

[@BrandonLund]

If you burn your house down and the fire investigator determines the fire was caused by an unlicensed person you might find out...if someone is injured or dies as a result, expect that someone is probably going to be liable and charged criminally