Behind Pokemon's Most Infamous Ragequit (ft.

[@boop53]

I will never forget how Blunder nicknamed mcmeghan “The Unfortunator”

[@eusociality]

"fortunate" doesn't even begin to describe how lucky we are that jimothy cool could make this interview happen

[@iantaakalla8180]

After successfully scheduling McMeghan for this interview with great preparation, hearing this interview today felt even more blessed than I thought possible.

[@leeto64]

His preparation was satisfactory, the conversation satisfying, and thus, we won. So I see all the reason to continue engaging with this show.

[@Megastar54]

based pfp

[@eusociality]

@@Megastar54 "brian" doesn't even begin to david gilbert

[@ronz7665]

"Cool" doesn't even begin to describe this guest. A perfect fit perhaps for the Fridge with Jimothy. Another one of the ADV greats. Looking forward to giving this a listen. Great stuff as always.

[@mistergrool3941]

Every time McMeghan speaks i visualize him combing his toothpick moustache and sipping bourbon

[@Magic_Ice]

Even after all the memes and clowning, hearing McMeghan has empathy for Lavos does warm my heart a bit. Losing one of the most important tournaments to extremely terrible luck after putting in so much time really does suck, even if Lavos was super overdramatic about it.

[@todbot1]

I can see why he'd be upset even if he went overboard, but at the same time if that jirachi came in and got six iron head flinches he'd say "well that's just the game"

[@silentalias4725]

Natdex UU is so funny because at least 2 high tiers are ranked RU, while Mega Beedrill is ranked UU while being borderline useless

[@InsertFunnyThingHere]

What looking flashy while having no item and the shittiest offensive typing ever as a glass cannon does to a mf:

[@butteredsalmonella]

Banette: cry me a fkn river

[@EplpseEclipse]

21:45 foreshadowing folks

[@bengton]

foreshadowing what

[@zander2758]

​@@bengton jimothys own meltdown regarding gen 4 ou

[@AndrewRKenny]

46:40 as wellcif.

[@fayestra2486]

One of my favorite modern gen French names is Iron Valiant being "Garde-de-fer" since it has that resemblance to Gardevoir, it ties them together nicely

[@raindown6702]

Roughly translates to iron guardian which also fits really well, great design choice

[@Olliertlol]

McMeghan always a classy character, don't know anyone in the community who has a bad opinion of him. Great to get him on :)

[@jesuisintrinsequementpolar3242]

Lavos?

[@greattitan371]

​@@jesuisintrinsequementpolar3242Lavos hasn't been a part of the community since he dropped his rant

[@Olliertlol]

@@jesuisintrinsequementpolar3242 😂😂

[@crystalpokedude4329]

Imo, Lavos can't complain about flinch hacks when he had a serene grace Jirachi on his team designed to do the exact same thing.

[@supershoo42]

even more so really. gyarados waterfall flinches are nice but thats not why you're pressing waterfall. with rachi iron head flinches are the name of the game.

[@alexs5368]

Didnt you read Lavos's chats? It was thunderpunch Jirachi! Lol jk

[@crystalpokedude4329]

@@alexs5368 I realize it's a bit, but that makes it worse because Thunder Punch is also there for the Serene Grace increased Paralysis chance.

[@zinnias114]

@@crystalpokedude4329 thunder punch isn't there just for the increased paralysis chance lol its dedicated gyara tech (it has body slam if it wants to para fish)

[@crystalpokedude4329]

@@zinnias114 I'm aware it isn't the sole purpose, but it's an added purpose.

[@ninjasnapple]

Glad to see the trend of Jimothy cool podcast guests being melee players is going strong

[@WailordWinter321]

it's not happening anytime soon, but I'd love to see him invite ken to talk about melee & survivor gabon

[@RiverStephen]

actually so fire to hear more from McMeghan, feels like we missed out on some adv defining gameplay after a whatever invitational. might be an advcast coming soon...

[@AndrewRKenny]

Loved this one. McMeghan is one of my favourite people to listen to talk about the game so more of that is always great. . . . . Particularly loved how highly he thinks of himself, refreshing to hear somebody at the top of their competition of choice actually acknowledge how high up they are on the mountain. Also pretty epic he plays/follows Melee, even more to like. I'd love to see him make some more KZbin videos but I hope he enjoys his time away from the game/community for now.

[@AndrewRKenny]

Also absolutely devious not revealing the rest of the team. At least have it etched into your headstone or something lmao.

[@richardjones6767]

I don't know why but this and review brahs podcast (report of the week) are my brain candy and I'm so thankful to have stuff like this to listen to while I work, Jim is so likeable and Australian and combineds that with a super nieche hobby, love the podcast ❤️

[@watsonwrote]

This is the first time I've got to hear other people enjoy the French Pomemon names. French is my second language and I've been playing through the Pokemon games in French since Gen 6, so there's a few gens where I don't really know the English names. But there's few people I know who speak French let alone play Pokemon in it, so it's great to hear appreciation for the localization. I've gone back and played through some of the games in English and for the majority of the games I've much preferred the French localization choices to the English ones.

[@alzef1375]

Hearing Jimothy say start the unfortunate copypasta felt like a haymaker to the gut.

[@emdal4055]

McMeghan wanted to prepare jimothy for the DPP nightmare and RNG roulette, we didn't listen folks, we didn't want to know the truth

[@Psynapseful]

Wanted to chime in on the topic of variance and how fighting games, Pokemon, and card games differ (which you two tangentially touched on). Fighting games have an execution barrier that makes them naturally variable-even the very best players can't be perfectly consistent, and they can have bad days. That results in fighting game players actually having a similar set of complaints ("if I was just executing better and didn't drop that combo, I would have won!") to the RNG complaints of Pokemon players.

[@schoolwork3716]

THE LAVOS CRASHOUT!!! Great vid! (Would love to see an ABR interview.)

[@GravaliteTM87]

I am a gigantic McMeghan fan. This is insane.

[@MugenCannon97]

I want to say the bit about fusions is basically what Digimon does. Most of the time, either fusing two Digimon gives you a pre-existing one as an alternate evolution path to getting it (ex: Tankdramon naturally becomes Darkdramon, but you can combine Megadramon and Fantomon to get Darkdramon) or you get a specifically designed fusion of those two Digimon, like Paildramon, a combination of Stingmon and X-Vmon. It's what Smogon's doing now, more or less, and it's the better way to do it IMO. Design things with purpose.

[@ryan_ford522]

22:06 - Definitely feeling that. I just came back to gen 4 OU ~a week ago and can't tolerate the same degen stuff as before Jirachi, Breloom (spore), Machamp, Full para, etc 1:25:30 - 1:28:53 McMeghan's spittin'

[@Lullabydogfarmo]

Mcmeghan be like monsieur mime

[@volzuloof]

I think the patron tiers should be renamed. Because this is the fridge, I think the tiers should be named after shelves. The highest tier can be called the Cool Box like those little drawers at the bottom

[@joshuagomez7613]

Every community wants a McMeghan. THE GOAT

[@_TristanGray]

This is the best episode yet, bring McMeghan back!

[@TheLronGiant]

I think every move under 70% accuracy should just get out of here. If a move’s upside is so good that you have to make it lower than that then it’s just annoying to use AND to play against

[@pokelee]

I want to see an interview with Lavos, that would be the most legendary of all.

[@tecul1]

callous has an interview with him (which got him smited on Smogon for no good reason)

[@pokelee]

@@tecul1 Thank you, I'm listening to it now, it's really good!

[@SoyFelipeCTM]

This is unfortunate, folks

[@catholicguy3605]

Justice for Lavos!!

[@Gabriel64468]

bit weird to bring up bluffing as a plus for pokemon over cardgames - bluffing is inherent in all cardgames. And that doesn't just mean Poker, bluffing you do (not) have a specific spell, often a board wipe/removal spell, but also counters in the games that have them is an important part of the game once you reach a decent level in any of them. I do agree with the rest of the part about Pokemon as a competitive game (it has advantages and disadvantages, but is fine overall), although I have to say it would be nice if series were longer to somewhat counteract the inherent variance in Pokemon.

[@DkKobaADV]

To be fair , mcmeghan said they play yugioh and pokemon tcg which has a lot less of that compared to magic the gathering

[@amberhernandez]

MTG has a ton of counter magic, but the vast majority of it is locked to one colour. If you're playing a format where you know your opponent has blue, you can actively anticipate and bait counter magic, where it's more surprising to see in white or the one counterspell in red. Yu-Gi-Oh has much less restrictive deckbuilding in that regard, with hand traps and negates being absurdly common. The negate traps of old, like Solemn Judgment and the like, are actually seen as too slow because you have to set them before they can be used. They've been mostly pushed out by the better counter tricks that came to be. Don't forget that every archetype nowadays has to have a big boss monster with an omni-negate, and the deck size difference (40 min. vs 60/100 min. for MTG) means you'll be seeing those counters more often over the course of a game. Sure, MTG may have more counterspells by sheer numbers, but Yu-Gi-Oh probably sees more constant use of their own counters. Can't say much about Pokémon TCG, though. I think I got a Feraligatr vs. Typhlosion duel deck back in 2005? lol

[@Gabriel64468]

Tbc this is not limited to one cardgame (people are bringing up MtG specifically, which is the primeexample), I played a bunch of LoR for a year or two and both counterspells and boardwipes (and bluffing either that they are or weren't there) were important. Hearthstone doesn't have counterspells, except for the secret counterspell, but that actually is a thing you absolutely can bluff: Set up a board state that indicates one secret when you actually have another one up. Not being able to act during your opponent's turn makes the bluffing more limited, but it still is there, there of course are also boardwipes. McMeghan's perspective 100% made sense from the specific games he played, but I don't think Jimothy even mentioned specific games? Even if he did - just because the perspective is coherent doesn't mean that the statement is actually accurate.

[@guimartgon]

Wish this podcast was on spotify

[@Versus-4]

19:56 “avalibol”

[@TheArcticBearboss]

McMeghan is based for saying sleep should be banned. Absolutely the most mickey mouse and poorly thought out status in the game. Creates situations where you basically get a free kill, and fast sleep users feel so shitty to play against. Hypnosis is a coin flip gimmick

[@DkKobaADV]

All aboard on the Roro Bus

[@RoaringPirates]

Was thinking about the comparison to melee events to how these adv tournaments work in terms of getting larger pot bonuses to entice players to play. Other than through donations I remember melee invitationals had merch shops (shirts, keychains, etc.) online for which part of the proceeds went to increasing the pot. Something like that might work here too?

[@aldrichunfaithful3589]

i think the tricky thing with the skarm vs ttar discussion is that skarm is more viable while ttar has more metagame impact. skarmory feels more powerful in a battle and you have to prepare for it to a greater extent, but the fact that permanent sand is the default state of the game completely alters the entire metagame in a huge way. without sand every bulky sand weak mon suddenly becomes way better and many of the current best mons like skarm, swampert, metagross and jirachi lose their main advantage, and besides that there'd be a ton of smaller changes like salac sweepers dominating, knock off/thief being mandatory on offense, rest talk being way better, etc. so if you're talking about viability rankings then sure skarmory is probably better, but ttar will always be the most central mon in the tier by far. also this is all a moot point since metagross is #1 anyway of course

[@bertoldopleari7779]

This is epic

[@SimKyamnk]

As soon I clicked on the vid I got blizzard freeze 💀

[@CritikalJari]

Imma yap but... Idk, if I had to put my life on the line its prolly mr john BroFist, ABR or BKC because all 3 have the skill of not getting bored in a battle they never pull sum bs when it matters or choose a move just cause they lost attention turn 430, aswell their carreers are as long as online competitive pokemon exists. Idk what my goat top exactly looks like or who is my nr1 (although lowkey might just be ABR) but they are up there. Other top players imo are also McMeghan, Blunder, CBB, Aim, Soulwind and CTC tbh all of the players mention have shaped the game in really important ways have incredible perfomances and showed longevity, maybe thats not important to everyone but I do think it matters. Theres so many players that are definitive top players but its hard to pin point for sure. (Also ill say this I feel like whenever anyone says Blunder is one of the best online theres a weird energy where they get dismissed for just d riding or not really know players cause he is the funny haha man but my guy has shown time and time again to be one of the best players in any tier he puts time into (same goes for CTC tbh but anyone wh discounts CTC is showing themselves as someone who knows next to nothing))

[@pc31754]

Thank you, Refrigerator. Very cool.

[@nostylenograce]

the refrigerator interviewed the unfortunator.

[@analoghabits9217]

unranked battle cue would be a nice addition to showdown

[@tecul1]

there is a "unranked random battle" queue, but idk if this is what you wanted

[@_Bunger_]

27:51 look mom I made it on the big screen

[@wesleyfnbr]

THE GOAT

[@TheLastWizardOfTheCentury-u7o]

He cooked my goat Lavos, and I will never forgive him 😤

[@Skylark0000]

Goated.

[@ginwilliam7763]

I don't even say GG when they do if I get the hax gods looking over me. I can't do it. It wasn't a good game. But thanks for the sportsmanship lol.

[@helter1234]

From the other side of this I will say GG if I got haxed but thought the other person still played well regardless.

[@kalarse]

Best french name is Felinferno

[@BathwaterBender]

I must be seeing something wrong, here. 5k subs... Only? Let's change that, please.

[@andrewoliver7095]

Sleep should be banned on everything except Parasect

[@CabbageMuncher13]

Unfortunate doesn’t even begin to describe

[@Gold_Gamer_100]

ADV is the goat that's so "advanced" that he can cook in any format. This is fortunate, folks

[@ryan_ford522]

Lmaoooo

[@grahamthorpe5033]

I'm on lavos side. Smogon hacks are higher.

[@ThePenitentSquirrel]

Competitve Pokemon is the king of meta Homogenization and usually when their is a shake up it's a better player using a single super janky Pkm (Wolfey) that somehow sticks the landing

[@Kawi31]

we're not even talking about VGC little bro

[@tecul1]

who even are you

[@tecul1]

56:12 talkin straight facts out here, it's hard work

[@tecul1]

o no roro is speaking the unfortunate truth at 1:02:49