Behind the Mask: The Lost Kiss Movie

A discussion about Behind the Mask of Kiss, an unmade Kiss concert film.
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[@phosphorescentscotsman]

The Love Gun Tour was Kiss at there zenith. A theatrical cut of one of those shows (in theaters) would have been HUGE.

[@crisrose521]

The ALIVE II tour which followed the Love Gun tour was their Zenith

[@ScottBrooks-jl9cy]

The Love Gun tour was what resulted in Alive II. There was no Alive II tour. :)

[@RockandrollNegro]

*their

[@ericvanderlinde4166]

@@ScottBrooks-jl9cyThere was an Alive 2 tour.!! KISS started their Love Gun tour on july 8, 1977 the end date was september 5, 1977. KISS alive 2 was released on October 14, 1977. They started touring again on November 15, 1977 the last show was on May 19, 1978…..these shows were the The ALIVE II TOUR

[@philipatkinson843]

When Kissology DVD set was released, they did a one-day-only showing of one of the makeup era concerts on the big screen in our local theater. My friends and I bought tickets and tailgated with food and beverages outside the theater. It was fun seeing a Kiss concert like that on the big screen. Maybe when they finally retire they'll do it one more time and let everybody see the final show on the big screen since we couldn't be there.

[@SeanBlumenshine]

That sounds awesome!

[@kevinbirge2130]

I would have bought that ticket. Which show did they run?

[@philipatkinson843]

@@kevinbirge2130 1976, KISS in Detroit for an incendiary concert at the Motor City's Cobo Hall

[@robertchristopher3472]

I went to see it as well and it was awesome

[@Mozart1220]

KISS died in 1978. I wouldn't pay a penny of someone elses money to see those impostors play in Ace and Peters makeup

[@tomfreeman3640]

I just yesterday drove 600 miles from Virginia to NY where I live. Thanks to Sean's channel it got me thinking, "why not listen to my lifetime favorite band KISS?". I listened to Alive, then Alive 2, then the first KISS album I ever bought, Rock and Roll Over, followed by KISS on shuffle (Spotify). It kept me so freaking awake and brought back such awesome memories!! I do that trip every few months, and always just listened to XM radio. I'm usually drowsy a few hours in. Not yesterday. Thanks Sean, for reminding me that my entire youth, and adulthood was only a few clicks away. These videos are good for me!!! I appreciate your channel!!!!

[@margaretschaffner9133]

nice!

[@Gurneyface]

It would be great to see a KISS show on the big screen!!! Let's petition them to release one!

[@karl-unoisaksson4000]

Got your back👍 Anything with KISS (including the original Eric) would be GREAT to see!!! But knowing Gene? The rimjob-artist TT (never spell his name, never say his name) would probably ruin the film performing AI-wise in Sydney 1981 as his character "the Fake-Ace"... Love from Sweden 💖

[@karl-unoisaksson4000]

I cant help it - they look just as coooool in this "Las Vegas-outfit" as they ALWAYS did in the 70s... and still sounded great... Love from Sweden 💖

[@EB1878]

This is awesome Sean. I wanted to chime in that in the winter of 78' I believe Kiss took a year off after the solos were released. I met an amazing Kiss fan in 1990, who was the biggest Kiss fan in a small town I had recently moved to. Actually, he was the uncle of one of my best friends. And when I met him by chance in the summer of 90', I was completely fascinated with the 70's Kiss lineup. I was also a fan of the 80's lineup with Bruce and Eric Carr. Now we got to talking and he told me why Kiss called the Dynasty tour, The Return of KISS. He said he was a diehard Kiss Army member from 1975 thru 1978. Yet by 1979 he was no longer a fan per se, since he thought the Dynasty album was disco. He wasn't a disco type of guy. But he asked me if I had ever found a copy of a late 70's music magazine with Kiss on the cover, the headlines read: KISS Dead, A World In Mourning, The New Gene... and I said no. But already my friend's uncle had me very intrigued and he said the magazine was trying to pull a similar thing like that of The Beatles where Paul McCartney was rumored to have died mysteriously. He proceeded to tell me the Kiss magazine sold for $1.95 in 1978, but that finding one even by 1990's standards was ultra rare, almost nonexistent actually unless you attended a Kiss Convention. And I'm not certain how many of these particular magazines there actually were. So I'm all ears. I listened as he relates the story of reading about his favorite super hero rock group had supposedly died and were replaced by impostures. He reassured me the magazine was fake news about Kiss. Even so the actual magazine does exist. I just seen two copies for sale at a staggering $100 and $106!!! Naturally I'm not made of moolah and I hope to find a copy of said magazine somewhere for a lot less. All that he told me and we talked about came flooding back when I watched your documentary and it made sense to me as to why their 79' Dynasty tour was called "The Return of KISS". Pre-internet days was challenging and quite difficult finding anything about the 70's Kiss if you didn't know any of the first generation Kiss fans that is that held onto their collections. I remember my friend's uncle graciously gave me a 78' Peter Criss song book, two re-prints of 70's Kiss poster/centerfolds (one of which I'm still searching to this very day to replace). It was of Kiss in their early makeup stages right about 73'- 74' ish and it was after Paul dropped the Bandit makeup. These posters/ centerfolds were from an issue of Guitar magazine. He also gave me three Don Russ Ace Frehley trading cards from series one. He unfortunately lost almost his entire Kiss collection in a basement flood in 1990 the same month I moved to town. Otherwise, he said he would have also given me his three sets of 77' Mego dolls. That's three Ace's, Three Paul's, Three Peter's, and Three Gene's all in their original boxes. I nearly flipped! That would have been the modern day equivalent of hitting the lottery three times over and for a young Kiss fan like I was with little next to nothing. It would have been a dream come true for me. My friend's uncle during the 70's bought up what he could of Kiss and kept it nice until the basement flooded. 😢 He was also going to give me the Kiss Chevy van (box and everything), but lost it too. Unfortunately, I wore out the Ace trading cards he gave me I carried them on my person all the time. Years later I bought replacement copies (including duplicates) to carry on me. Those cards and more importantly, his generosity and knowledge of Kiss meant the world to me. I used to carry a pencil and index cards on my person at all times. I wish I kept those index cards. I had filled up several with our conversation that day. This is a fascinating documentary Sean. Thank you for sharing. I just wanted to share my piece of Kisstory with other Kiss Army members. 😊❤

[@SeanBlumenshine]

@@EB1878 Thanks for the kind words and your story!

[@dianadambrosio1]

Fantastic Sean .. biggest KISS fan back in 74-78 Your work here is so informative and riveting .. didn't know a lot of this .. ty 😊

[@codacreator6162]

It wasn’t Casablanca that spawned the solo albums, it was KISS trying to hold the band together in the face of Ace and Peter wanting to do their own stuff.

[@Kissfan96dr]

amazing they managed to survive this time period. Most bands would have been done.

[@michaeljohnson8058]

Their egos couldn’t allow it.

[@H-mu4bo]

Love that advertisement from 1978 advertising the Kiss solo albums. These days they would have held the top 4 album chart positions easy. They are all good albums, but imagine the shock to Paul and Gene's ego when Ace produces one of the greatest rock albums of the era. This ground Gene and Paul's gears as they brought in only midrange material and Ace just had a thing to prove. A live concert from the 1979/1980 in surround sound and IMAX. I'm sure it is out there somewhere.

[@SeanBlumenshine]

I’m sure Gene and Paul were shocked at Ace’s album but honestly, it seems more like a positive shock than anything else. Ace wrote and sang a lot more on the next two Kiss albums and they used his drummer on those albums. Paul in particular seems very happy that Ace stepped up like that and has always complimented Aces writing ability.

[@michaelpumphery6102]

Today those 4 albums would still be laughed about & wouldn't make the chart & if they did , it would be at the very bottom . I was a huge fan as a kid & young adult , it was a joke . And when I wish upon a star , the wish is this , that something like this never happens to no other band anywhere

[@eaaivazian]

This is really great, Sean. What a nice, professional job. It amazes me to see fans like you who put together amazing-quality product that far exceeds anything OFFICIAL put out by the band themselves! Thanks for this! Can't wait to see further content you put together!

[@SeanBlumenshine]

Thank you so much!

[@margaretschaffner9133]

Agree

[@denisepayne9184]

Has this movie been released on any format yet?

[@patkennedy1973]

Here in Australia, we had the Las Vegas residency show in the theatres. It was friggin' great! Yes they do need to show something else too. Maybe the very last show at MSG.

[@edgaralleni-pod4295]

Creatures of the Night would’ve made a great concert video release!

[@dwightrenfield2241]

But back in 1982 nobody would have cared. Creatures was their worst-selling album and concert attendance was abysmal. The band was in a popularity freefall at the time.

[@jeffhodge7272]

It was a great album.Too bad so called "fans" flaked on them.😏

[@mefirstmelast2791]

This was an AWESOME JOB...

[@reelpop776]

Great research, a bunch of info I had never heard. Thanks!

[@bdso9593]

If you ever see Kiss solo albums with a missing corner , it was one of the millions returned to the label.

[@zubileegluckgluck]

just wanted to let you know that i think you've reached an entirely new level of quality of work! this is excellent, and something that i've never heard of, either. i think blowing up on the yt kiss scene is inevitable for you. looking forward to what you come up with next.... edit: that peter criss zoom-in was hilarious lol

[@SeanBlumenshine]

Thank you so much! That Peter zoom wasn’t even me; that’s just how the actual clip is edited lmao.

[@AndyCzubai]

Some statements have been disproven here. There were ALOT more Simmons albums sent out followed by Paul's, then the others. By design and written in both Gene and Paul's books

[@margaretschaffner9133]

@@AndyCzubai ok thanks for adding.

[@TheArtofGuitar]

Awesome video. Criss speeding up and slowing down live must have driven everyone to the brink. I've seen bands get in fist fights on stage for less. hehe.

[@SeanBlumenshine]

Woah. Love your videos. Your Peter Criss drumming one was super cool and I watch your Ace technique vid a lot.

[@FerdinandCesarano]

Paul's 1979 costume is so great.

[@leswadley6792]

There was a ton of footage filmed during the Australia tour that was supposed to be used in a film! The tanking of kiss in the US; had to be the reason for not releasing it!

[@t-bo-lesotho]

There have been many lost Kiss movies. They had one in the works -- probably never filmed -- in 1979, The Elder in 1981, and another in 2000 that was never made.

[@derekp308]

Would the 1979 movie have been a sequel to “KISS Meets the Phantom of the Park” TV movie? Didn’t know they tried to get a movie made of “The Elder”, which was a very strange album.

[@t-bo-lesotho]

@@derekp308 I don't know. I think it was mentioned in a 1979 radio interview and they said they were reconsidering whether to do it, esp. given their experience on Kiss Meets the Phantom. The 1981 Elder movie was to have starred Robert Christie, Chris Makepeace. and Antony Parr. The three recorded dialogue for the album (which wasn't used) and were told there was going to be a film to follow, which they were to star in, and a tour where the band would perform without makeup for the first time. Once the album failed commercially, it sounds like the accompanying movie fell apart. There have been attempts to revive the movie by and with other filmmakers/actors (in. Seb Hunter) but I don't think anything has ever been completed. Do a search for "Chris Makepeace The Elder" and you will find a couple interviews he did on the subject, one at BraveWords and one at Kiss Concert History Online.

[@subversive1219]

@@derekp308 The Elder album was to be the soundtrack for that movie.

[@formulaben]

@@subversive1219 I wondered if they actually just wanted to go in a different direction and the excuse that it was a soundtrack for a movie was simply a convenient one, and no movie really was in the works.

[@Playitstraight44]

If you examine the KISS concept from initial presentation until Dynasty, it feels like the ability to refresh their image each year had run out of steam. I think going from black and silver to a rainbow of colors illustrated how depleted the band had gotten by that point. KISS had toured endlessly and were worn out. Doing the type of movie presented was something that really fractured the band, because it was clear the project did not get everyone's consent (and for good reason). History shows that fracture created allot of the turmoil that collapsed the band. Drinking and drug consumption were exacerbated from exhaustion and creative misdirection that led each of the members to their respective corners and vices. Because two of the four were choosing other means to escape, did not limit their impact on the damage they were causing. In my eyes, the solo record project was a terrible idea because it fed the fracture and provided a false sense of relief and possible escape from the band issues which became apparent soon after. This is why most of us who followed the band from the mid 70's on, feel the pinnacle moment was Love Gun and Alive II. Once the movie came out, essentially every bit of credibility they had worked their butts off to receive was thrown out the window with a childish film that completely defanged their mystique and their appeal as a band with an edge to them. Putting on capes and singing disco was the final nail in the coffin. While I understand that was the moment where younger kids came onboard and embraced that period, it did not provide the band with the bump in commercial appeal that would replace the losses they were sustaining from their core fan base. This is why their crowd demographic changed drastically on the Dynasty tour, because they had already begun taking on heavy losses from those who had seen them only two years earlier.

[@timhenwood]

Great stuff thanks!

[@L.T.VideoAndAudio]

Either the Love Gun Tour, Spirit Of '76 Tour or the Unmasked (European) Tour!🎉

[@dimebagdave77]

Manythnx Sean🤘

[@tomfreeman3640]

My first KISS show was on the Dynasty tour at Madison Square Garden. As for a concert to be shown in the big screen I'd have to go with the Alive 2 stage which I believe was in support of Rock and Roll Over. Thanks for the great content Sean

[@GrandFunker]

Rock and roll over had the same stage as Destroyer. Love Gun came with a new stage which stayed for Alive 2

[@HD-Tech]

Alive II would be incredible. That photo in the inside of the album of them live at the L.A coliseum was awesome

[@tomfreeman3640]

@@HD-Tech that photo you're talking about inside the double Alive 2 album sleeve changed my life!!!!😁

[@dananthony304]

Love gun bruh.

[@tomfreeman3640]

You're right. I saw them at the garden after Dynasty came out, so it must have been in support of that album. White with ramps. No staircases. I was way off. Thanks brother !!!!

[@JugaJuga14]

A full on, Stop Making Sense kinda concert film of the Destroyer would be absolutely legendary I reckon. 1976, best year for Kiss by a landslide.

[@hollyprincipato3287]

I liked all of them

[@TheChadTI]

The usually very confused Youtbe algorithm put you back in my feed😅 Great work as always man 🤙

[@RikJSmith]

Hi Sean . I hope you're doing well . Thanks for making and sharing another great Video !! Some of the info that you stated I did hear about several years ago . But a lot of what you said I have never heard . I didn't know that Peter basically acted like an immature little brat ON STAGE and fluctuated the Tempo . That's totally f 'ed up !! But anyway , . thanks for another great Video Sean . Take care . 🎸 Now I'm going to watch a Video of yours titled " The Worst Of KISS " . LOLOL . This should definitely be good . I've been putting off watching it til now . So , off we go. LoL

[@ianmcnulty799]

If a fictional movie is ever made about Kiss, the best era to focus on would be their Eurotrash phase from 79-81. It could start with Gene, Paul and Ace introducing Eric on Kids Are People Too and end with the Elder.

[@SeanBlumenshine]

I think a movie about making The Elder would be brilliant and hilarious

[@joekingsley7642]

They should do a movie with Scooby-Doo doo. Oh wait....

[@georgeedward1226]

They could call that movie Sputter.

[@user-xp7fb3md9x]

😊May you own "KISS Rock the Nation"? Or "KISS Exposed"? Or the 3 "KISSOlogy" Boxes? Or "KISS Symphony Alive IV" DVD? Isn't it enough Filmed Showstuff yet? 😊😊

[@adamrenfrow]

No. 73 to 80

[@brandonshane1432]

I always wished there was more footage of Vinnie Vincent, especially during the Creatures tour.

[@OzzyOsmond]

Interestingly, the solo albums were negotiated into their second record deal in the mid 70s. They weren't a snap decision to keep the band together in 78. Julian Gill has copies of that contract indicating the solos were included and all 4 would only count as ONE Kiss album in that contract. As well, Ace had said that he didn't' contribute anything to Rock & Roll Over because he was saving his material for that solo album.

[@dwightrenfield2241]

I don't think Ace's memory is so good - in fact, he even admits it himself. The solo album project wasn't even introduced until both Ace & Peter expressed desire to quit the band around the time of the Kiss Meets the Phantom movie (early 78) , so there would have been no reason for Ace to hold back songs from RARO (76) for his solo album.

[@wallofrock6725]

@@dwightrenfield2241Their second contract right after the Alive/Destroyer period clearly says they would eventually be required to do 4 solo albums. Paul wasn’t really being clear about that in the Exposed documentary. He implied that Ace and Peter had threatened to quit around the Love Gun period and that that was the sole reason for the solo albums.

[@comatose3788]

Kiss did make a movie (film) and a cartoon series, Kiss Meets the Phantom of the Park 1978, Cartoon was in 1979, nearly launch in NBC. They did show the opening episode.

[@consuelogomez4805]

There is the 1978 true kiss live in Japan concert film. It is said to be lost but I have seen it many years ago.

[@DragonflyII]

Kiss Live In Vegas received a limited worldwide theatrical release, so they've already done a cinema concert film.

[@butterbagboy]

Good video, thanks

[@ChristianClark]

I do remember that Music from "The Elder was also going to be a movie too. LOL

[@BradCarlMusic]

I think they should've done a collective live concert movie from all KISS Eras: Early KISS (1973 to 1975) Golden KISS (1976 to 1979) Broken KISS (1980 to 1982) Makeup-less KISS (1983 to 1989) Comeback/Revenge KISS (1992) Reunion KISS (1995 - 2001) Imposter KISS (2002 - Present) 7 Eras - each one has 15 - 20 min. worth of live footage. Maybe a quick blurb about what had happened in between each. Man, now that I've thought about this....I wish it would happen! But it won't. It's too good of an idea if I do say some myself.

[@mztokyo7630]

Awesome timeline and summary. Very succinct. thanks so much.

[@BradCarlMusic]

@@mztokyo7630 Thank you!

[@michaelashley7944]

Stage show from the KISS ALIVE II would be the obvious choice for a big screen. But the black and white '75 footage would be great with some AI editing, as well.

[@robbievenditti2130]

This is so cool.😎😎😎

[@Zan_Jayna]

They were great on Millenium

[@Prof_Tickles92]

Maybe they were worried a new drummer and a new character wouldn’t be well received by casual moviegoers? Idk. Speaking of that new contract that KISS signed, I can’t help but wonder if that was the same one Chris Lendt wrote about in KISS & Sell? Sometime around 80-82 KISS secured a lucrative royalty deal which would pay them $1.20 per unit(album) sold. This is also a minor reason that KISS was broke throughout the 80’s. Even though Ace quit, he was still under contract until 1985. Creatures of The Night and Lick It Up were certified gold, but Animalize was *supposed to be* a big money maker since it went platinum not long after release. But since Ace was still under contract he got 1/3 of the royalties. $1.20 x 1,000,000 = $1,200,000 Ace received approximately $400,000. I imagine the band would’ve fared better financially if Ace hadn’t been getting a cut.

[@SeanBlumenshine]

Peter also retained a 25% stake in the band as part of the deal I think

[@Prof_Tickles92]

@@SeanBlumenshineI’ve heard that. Chris Lendt says that Peter retained a stake. Ace claims he was the one. So I don’t know which source to believe. I’m inclined to believe Chris because I’ve found Ace to not be truthful about a few things. Not calling Ace a liar, just stating that a few things he’s claimed (such as owning his makeup) have been debunked by multiple sources. The only reason I call into question that it wasn’t Peter, is because it makes sense that Ace would retain his stake for a few years. Think about it, KISS renegotiated their contract around 80-81, Ace *quits*, the contract stipulated that the principal partners of KISS were: Simmons, Stanley, and Frehley; therefore Ace would likely be entitled to a share of revenue until that contract expired. Idk man. We might never know for sure.

[@Fireglo]

There's no way Ace got 1/3 of the royalties. He has way less songwriting credits than Paul and Gene at that point.

[@jafl2183]

The solo albums were a part of their contract

[@KISStributeNYC97]

Great storytelling, sir. Thanks for the video!

[@GoodMrDawes]

So pissed that my brothers went to see this at the movies without me

[@darrensweetnam5593]

There should be enough footage in the vaults to make a HD concert/ Doco now

[@jond.2868]

Cool!

[@CT68]

Back in the 2000's I saw a U2 Concert film in IMAX; it was done really well, and felt as almost as good (better in some ways) than watching a concert live. A high-budget KISS concert could also be good, but it should really just be a concert film, without some gimmicky plot about fans or whatever.

[@margaretschaffner9133]

OK did you see the youtube final curtain video? wtf?

[@CT68]

@@margaretschaffner9133 I saw A final Curtain video on KZbin. It was shot on a cell phone and had crappy sound. What I'd like is a 3d IMAX movie like the one I described.

[@Seadansr1]

i bought all 4 of the solo albums

[@ScarecrowzTube]

Interesting. I wasn't aware of the timeline details for the planned movie which made sense they were ok with kiss content but not kiss members acting lol

[@timjonesvideos]

I swear there is a lost official documentary out there too, I remember getting it out from the library on VHS in the early 90's, it was not X-treme close up because it featured the video for 'Who Wants to be Lonely' in it. Drives me mad..

[@SeanBlumenshine]

Are you thinking of Kiss Exposed?

[@timjonesvideos]

@@SeanBlumenshine It might have been actually, it was a long time ago and there was no cover on the video, I'll check it out, thanks.

[@TheFatalT]

Sounds like Exposed. I wore that VHS tape out.

[@mikeshelogowski434]

Exposed 😊

[@LuciferMornStar]

I just had to waste 10min of my life watching this! My first concert was at 14 and I got to see kiss and Bob Segar. I left there in the kiss army and couldn't remember anything Segar played except for Nutbush city limits. I think they played that anyways. Tell you the truth ,other than knowing that they were still playing the Alive 1 tour sets,I don't remember much past cold gin and Strutter that kiss played! But I was a fan. And I can't forget all the fire,explosions and other effects like ACEs smoking guitar. In fact I almost got a piece of the cheap guitar that Paul busted up and threw into the audience! It was their live shows that were their hallmark. I finally grew up and discovered what real music was in my early 20s. I had chosen Aces side in the fight. Chriss really was messing up pretty bad and couldn't get sober. I had realized Ace was actually the better of the musicians in the group. Or let's say he tried using more than the lick or 2 most of the songs from the first 3 albums all seemed to have. I still like some of the old songs. Destroyer is still my favorite album. I probably have 10-12 Kiss songs sprinkled throughout my playlists. 3 off Aces solo and the rest off Destroyer, Dr.Love and songs from the Elder. I will give honorable mention to Alive platinum for the best mix and sound and to sycho circus for what to me sounded like a experiment in a heavier edgier sound. But it didn't make up for the bad marketing when they dropped the makeup. Kiss was never going to get anywhere with their musical skills. Tho they're really not that bad. Gene and Paul had good rock and roll voices. Gene was also a very decent bassist. Paul a very good rhythm guitar player. Peter was over talented for the group. At his best he could hold his own against any rock drummer past or present. His drumming skills in Kiss were like putting $25,000 worth of wheels and tires on a $300 Pinto station wagon! Please guys! Retire!

[@karl-unoisaksson4000]

Just... Lovely idea!!! I would LOVE to see a tour film, or a Hollywood adaption with carefully picked actors, during the early years - the tour in a ... Don't know the english word: Herrgårdsvagn... To see Stinky (Gene) and Whatthefuck(Ace) share a single room wall to wall with Look, Im not gay at all - I have hair on my chest(Paul) and Don'tyatry it I'll stab you (Pete)... I would soooo wanna see the movie about 1973-1975... Love from Sweden 💖

[@darkraven5459]

This is a great video Sean! How have you been? I have been looking for all my KISS stuff and I might record a video for everything.

[@SeanBlumenshine]

Thank you! I am okay.

[@ianmackenzie686]

Some things best left un-found.

[@KissRemastersFilms]

Watch out dude, the Gooch will get you.

[@Cfolger]

Wow I've read all 4 of their books and this movie was never mentioned

[@jonstreng7850]

I owned the Animalize Uncensored Tour, unfortunately, on VHS. I think a great tour (era) to film would be a Behind the Scenes of the recording of Destroyer after finishing touring for Alive. 75-77 is definitely the peak for this group.

[@user-xf6xr9nu3l]

There’s an Alive II movie out there. I’ve seen part of it on KZbin

[@bullseyecanada]

ALIVE III was a live concert film. Released on DVD instead of being put in theatres because.....greed.

[@l.salisbury1253]

3:53 - Isn't this how the Clash film "Rude Boy" (1980) was filmed?

[@timothyowens8141]

Are they going to remaster the solo albums or CDs and are they going to make the vinyl colored

[@chrisstory563]

sound like something Alice Cooper did with "Good To See You Again" concert film when he did something similar. this concert film idea would had washed away a little bit of stink from the tv movie phantom of the park.

[@henrikharbin5521]

I wish they could have licensed the video for KISS DESTROYS ANAHEIM and cleaned it up a little. There would have been no need or reason for can added framing plot; maybe splice in some interviews. The band has always been at their best when they were playing live. It was always my understsnding that the one who suggested doing a solo album first was Ace; he allegedly b threatened to leave if that didn't happen.

[@SeanBlumenshine]

That’s the story they’ve always told, that it was decided during the making of Kiss Meets the Phantom of the Park because Ace was threatening to leave. But their contracts showed up online and the solo albums were part of it. Timing of it may have been because of Ace.

[@one_with_kevrything9825]

Best years to do it would probably have been 1978 instead of Phantom, 1979 after the success of Dynasty, or 1997 fall/winter with the Reunion Tour being so well received.

[@ericrojasvelez8891]

Alive 2 was supposed to be on the big screen but never happened...so we stay with meet the phantoms of the park😅😅😅

[@statman99]

1979 Tour would have been the best.

[@Strimbles]

Best concert film would have been filmed 77-78 !!

[@boataxe4605]

They should have lost Kiss and the phantom of the park too.

[@0773heidi]

I liked the film they did kiss meets the phantom of the park x

[@MetalHeart8787]

well with the same set up / set they also filmed the videos for she so European & Talk to me. which featured eric car. maybe with their popularity going down hill at the time they thought it isn't a Good time for a Kiss Movie. NOT a Movie but i thought Kiss exposed 1987 was a Good one, and Extreme close up in 1993 was really Good with paul & Gene Talking and old Video clips.

[@donnybrascocoliogne819]

Paul Daniel Ace Frehley (Spaceman) IS KISS 💋

[@Rock4UNow]

Even though KISS was my favorite band then their popularity started fizzling out with the hard-core Rockers! "I was made for loving you" was an embarrassment in spite of the album hadving some great rockers like "Hard Times". KISS ALIVE II should have been filmed and released in theaters. They were Giant Rockers then.

[@manolokonosko594]

April fools Day, 1980 - KISS signs a lucrative 6 album deal with Polygram, plus another Peter Criss solo album. This is what happens when a label looks at the numbers but doesn't do due diligence on the quality and popularity of a band. They probably didn't even listen to other rock records released around that time to get a feel for the direction music was turning. Peter Criss missed out on the pot of gold by getting spectacularly fired, and Ace quit after the second album. The money had nowhere to go but to Gene and Paul's bank accounts.

[@TheJimbo1791]

I think a theatrical movie will become. There WILL be a reunion of the original four members after the End of the road tour. And there will be new records as well. Kiss is far from done. I believe they will do Vegas. A concept album like the Elder is not out of question either. But the reunion is 100% sure. I believe they are - again - just starting !

[@margaretschaffner9133]

Interesting.

[@jamesrudd8705]

There will most certainly NOT be any kind of a reunion. Sheesh.

[@jeffhodge7272]

Doubtful.

[@ericrojasvelez8891]

Creatures and alive 2 on the big screen

[@user-wf4fv4oc1h]

KiSS music is best. Silver and Black KISS best. We're gonna get this place, HOTTER THAN HELL!!

[@julesrutty1384]

were can you view that 1980 germany footage??

[@SeanBlumenshine]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/eWesmKpvqM50sLcsi=wF6PHUS2HAb6moyO

[@joekingsley7642]

The lighting is awful for a show to be released on tv or the big screen. 😊

[@leedouglass9636]

The best tour was revenge

[@captainu.s.a.7980]

No commit.thanks you tube...😮

[@johnkriete2152]

Would be much better than seeing Taylor all over everywhere. Enough is enough.

[@AndyCzubai]

Some of these statements have been disproven. There were ALOT more Simmons solo albums sent out followed by Paul's, by design.

[@jeffhodge7272]

Pauls was great.😊

[@georgeedward1226]

It sounds like the Abba movie made around the same time period.

[@simonjohnson6581]

It was a funny time for kiss , some of dynasty was good, unmasked was pretty much shit apart from a couple of songs, the elder was just trashed, but I thought it was good, just like when motley crue did the album without vince, good record just not the right time or whatever, killers was a greatest hits, creatures was brilliant, as was lick it up, just a bit of funny time for them

[@slanderbob415]

Alive II tour 77 In Japan

[@jeffhodge7272]

That was on HBO in '78.I missed it.Wish I could watch it on demand today!🤟🎶🎸🥁🔥🩸

[@knines4280]

Not bad! However, you never delved into the "Solo" album for Pete, that you had alluded to........

[@warmonger8799]

[@Acejustforalaugh]

Hmmm... Nubium huh. Not bad, not bad ! 😊

[@leokimvideo]

Peter Criss at least had control of the band playing a real live concert. Sadly Kiss's concerts are tightly controlled affairs using click tracks, pre recorded vocals and a very rigid set list of songs. Maybe the bigger question is where was the lost Kiss Alive 3 albums that covers the early 80's era Kiss. Real fans have created it yet Kiss ignore this era as if it's poison. Thanks for your support as always 😣

[@margaretschaffner9133]

Maybe you don't get it, on either ends. These dudes are icons.

[@glenteavictor7822]

When were you born? 1999

[@Indigenous267]

Love Gun Tour woukda been great to see on film. They didn't sound that great on Dynasty tour ... they sounded unreleased at best.

[@rhettcorbett3346]

Not Kiss without the OG Peter & Ace.

[@joeysingletary2943]

Totally agree everything sense has just been the gene and Paul show or cover bands

[@brailonbruce]

I remember the movie Detroit Rock City, which was total crap. You didn't actually see Kiss till the last part of the movie.

[@jeffhodge7272]

And some of it wasn't actually them. A friend was in the tribute band used for the movie.😏

[@imagine9265]

I was a teen when KISS ALIVE came out it was a career maker but soon after I realized there talent was average it was there theatrical shows and 🤡 make up that made them a novelty act 🎪

[@jeffholt9437]

You don't say whether you actually bought the album (or any before / since)? Being in the UK, I never saw any moving images of the band from 78 , when discovering them, until late 79 when attending a low key convention. In that time I bought all the back catalogue and played them to death!!!!

[@imagine9265]

@@jeffholt9437 I BOUGHT THE FIRST THREE SOLEY FOR THE ALBUM COVERS . BUT I DID BUY KISS ALIVE AND THEY BROUGHT ALL THE BORING STUDIO VERSIONS TO LIFE. BUT BEING A MUSICIAN I OUTGROW THE BAND MAKE UP and STAGE SHOW BUT MY FAVORITES TILL TO THIS DAY IS HARD LUCK WOMEN GOLD GIN DETROIT ROCK CITY ESPECIALLY WHEN I CRASHED MY CAR RUSHING TO A GIG AND MY ADULT SON HEARD ME TELL HIS MOTHER I CRASHED AND WHEN I STARTED TO TEACH HIM TO PLAY THE DRUMS WHEN HE WAS IN DIAPERS HE WOULD SAY DADDY PLAY THE SONG WHEN DADDY YOU CRASHED THE CAR ! SO THAT SONG HAS HISTORY WHEN I HEAR IT .OH" MY GOD NO TIME TO TURN 🎶 BRINGS BE BACK WHEN I TOTALLED MY VETTE. BUT NOT ONE SCRATCH ON ME !! THANKS TO GOD PEACE ✌️

[@karlshuler1011]

I would have gone back then. But really, it sounds like a crappy idea for a movie. I would love to see a full set up of a tour instead. From drafting the stage, to the equipment needed. The stress of it all being put together. Then rehearsals, right up to the show.

[@SeanBlumenshine]

Yeah a more documentary style would be the best. No need for a cheesy plot.

[@karlshuler1011]

@@SeanBlumenshine exactly

[@jesuscampos8136]

That wasn't not a hit. They might have pushed it to be a hit but that song is what killed the band. You can thank Mr Stanley for that. It didn't cross over like Beth did.

[@TimothyDuffy-cy4vb]

Kiss was supposed to do a movie, besides how they met a phantom of magic mountain amusement park. In fact, they even made a soundtrack to it, even though the movie was never made; Kiss; music from the elder. And, eventhough they may be too old to do live action acting performances they can still make that movie through animation like the motion picture, Heavy Metal. So, kiss fans, bug them into doing it. Have a nice day! 🤘

[@jeffhodge7272]

That'd be kinda cool.😊

[@outoftheforest7652]

now I will say KISS MEETS THE PHANTOM OF THE PARK WAS HORRIBLE!!! watch that puppy stoned

[@johnpatterson4272]

Anything that starts with Sailor Quift has most people scratching their heads, KISS and the woke Swift shill machine are extremely polar at these points in their individual careers. What Mr. Gil does not know is the proposed second KISS movie ( a version of ABBA: the movie) stayed in the KISS realm of possibilities until mid-1983. I met the producer/director for that potential second film in Canada in 1983.