Behringer CRAVE vs Moog MOTHER-32: The definitive comparison

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I was absolutely amazed at how close these were, considering I wasn't expecting them to be so similar. I never realised the Behringer CRAVE was basically a carbon copy of the Moog Mother32.
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Intro 0:00
Overview 1:15
Main functions 3:25
Oscillators 5:19
LPF 12:00
HPF 15:00
Envelopes 18:37
LFO 22:41
Sequencer 25:06
Ties and Gates 27:09
Mutes (ghost triggers) 29:36
Reverse pattern 30:24
Assign CV 32:35
Some Sounds 34:53
Both Together 45:09

[@RichardOlpin]

In the update to 1.08 yesterday the Crave has got rid of the ghost triggering issue.

[@StarskyCarr]

Typical.. just after I upload this... :) pinned.

[@TheErkkiNyrkki]

Where did you find the update? I can't find it on Behringer site.

[@klmberezina274]

Thanx for the info!!! I ll try ASAP! ...It was my last request on this synth!

[@TheErkkiNyrkki]

@Bunty McCunty Thanks

[@Jamick_Elektronika]

You have to be careful, after this update, when in Synth Tool 2.1 I sent one sequence to Crave, it deleted all of them inside; /

[@MrBeen992]

why people always criticize the clicky keyboard buttons on the Crave ? They are not for playing Chopin ! Theyre just to input notes !

[@MSM5500]

"why people always criticize " Only few criticize then the rest just follow them like a sheep.

[@MrBeen992]

If I close my eyes while playing the video, both sound exactly the same. But if I open my eyes the Moog sounds better. Incredible !

[@nym053]

I work in a Baker store and many customers eat with their eyes. For instance, if I placed a sign for a specific cake the wrong place by accident, some costumers would ask for what it says on the sign while pointing at the cake that the sign is placed in front of. But when I tell them that it's a different cake that contains something different than what the sign says, they don't hesitate and just says: "yesyes I want it anyways", like it doesn't matter what it contains, as long as it looks tasty. It's like with small children at the age 2-5. They judge by the color. If it's colorful they want it. Like when I worked in an icecream shop, no matter if it were boys or girls, they would almost always pick a pink colored icecream with rainbow springles.

[@MrBeen992]

@@nym053 That is not a good argument here because in that case the Behringer Crave would be the winner cause its more colourful. The Mother 32 is black and boring.

[@nym053]

@@MrBeen992 that's not what I'm saying. Don't be so rigid ;) the point of my "argument" is just that some/many people eat with their eyes. I just came up with 2 different examples taken from my own personal life experience of how people could do so 😅

[@MrBeen992]

@@nym053 I dont know cause Ive had a different experience in bakeries. Usually what I look that tastes good, tastes good !

[@nym053]

@@MrBeen992 that's cool. In my experience, just because something looks like it would taste good, doesn't actually mean that it tastes as good as it looks. Something could look less good and taste significantly better. But that's the cool thing about life. We're all different. If we were all the same, it would be god damn boring ;)

[@johnkemp3592]

Great video, thank you. Currently have a Crave on order - It'll be my first new hardware synth in over 20 years!

[@brownmoney27]

Thanks for putting the actual juicy content from the start, good vid

[@SNO-]

for certain... this was a rather epic side by side. electroconclastica aside i was amazed by the truly mirrored demonstration. i actually did close my eyes and was just dumbfounded. i love Moog and i appreciate Behringer so its really a treat to see a proper side by side.... thanks Starsky (thats a keeper)

[@photicsonar]

You already saved me a lot of money with your Videos, man! Thanks for this!

[@iqi616]

Interesting comparison. Thanks for doing this.

[@christianthompson1473]

I love the yellow " danger! high voltage warnings" 😂

[@tablameister]

Thanks very much for this comparison. I had wondered what the Crave was a clone of and you answered that question.

[@floyd101954]

Your videos are always so thorough, objective and honest. I’m a retired recording engineer of 20+, years, Synthesizer owner and programmer since 1972 and a amateur drummer for a long time. With the support of my wife, about a year and half ago I started putting together a new Music Studio Production Room in our home to include a host of Synthesizers, both Modular as well as some new Synths recent to the market. Anyway I did initially start out with several Behringers, Model D, Pro-1, Neutron, K-2 and ARP 2600 Blue Marvin mainly because they replicated Synths I had owned or worked with. I also had looked at the Crave but not too closely. Now it was time to take another look at it. I didn’t realize just how close to the Moog Mother 32 it sounds and functions. Hey I’m a big fan of Moog (I own a Matriarch and Theremini) and understand why their products are priced the way they are. After watching your video I was sold. I just ordered mine today.

[@danielcelion]

This video made me buy a Crave some weeks ago and I love it. 🔥

[@remowo_]

In depth comparison so a rookie like me can really get a grasp of similarities and differences. Thank you sir

[@jimmy_jamesjams_a_lot4171]

My mother 32 has a filter that yields a sine wave that can track pitch even better than its normal VCO’s voices. THANKS FOR SHARING!!

[@SNO-]

And that folks is Moogs forte… controlling that filter pitch to maintain a musical attribute was the preciseness Bob relished in. He truly was a master of sound precision… him and Alan of course… but Bob was all about precision. I read that in the book :) I think thats why the Voyager is so coveted as well… it was his last synth he worked on fully. I’ve heard so many artist talk up that particular synth for having a toolbox of choices as well. Its price is right up there too 😂

[@saardean4481]

amazing and meticulous comparison. Thank you for that

[@KortKramer]

Very informative - I really enjoyed this, thank you.

[@Frozen_Smoke1972]

Great vid. I've been lusting after a M32 for the last couple of years but couldn't really justify the expense. The Crave is now on the shopping list.0

[@BrantleyAllen]

Same. My Crave should be here next week!

[@TheNimasan]

starsky i can't connect the crave via kyb cv and gate to my key step pro ........ i don't get any signal at all. i mean you used the crave to control the mother via the patchpoints, too. do you have an idea why it doesnt work? it should work right?

[@justFUNdimples]

This is the VS I've been waiting for. Thanks for doing this!

[@nyelmyel8418]

Hi what's the oscilloscope waveform viewer thingy your using to see the audio when doing comparisons between the two?. Looks really useful. Live your videos, nice to see British synth enthusiastic people. Love all your videos

[@atomaalatonal]

next level comparison like: screen shot the oscillators screens and blend layer over each other them to see the difference

[@bitbotrecords]

Great video thanks, it helped me make my decision, it should arrive tomorrow 🎉

[@atommachine]

Whats the cv output Volts per octave?

[@nodz007]

I have a minitaur which I love, this video really helped me give the Behringer a shot and with the saved funds may purchase another one or 2 of these Behringer almost clones.

[@paulmattle6683]

I have the Model D (mini Moog copy). I suggest getting one. It has 3 oscillators, which give you some Moog-like fatness. I bought an expander patchbay, that fits onto it perfectly, and gives you many more options for patching madness.

[@comfortofmadness]

@@paulmattle6683 what patchbay did you get ?

[@vprice509]

Very cool! Until now I did not realize that I already HAVE a Mother-32.

[@Rolf_D]

Great Demo, what program/app do you use to monitor the waves?

[@simaojoseph]

Moog finding it hard to swallow. I must add, I prefer the harder type of keys. If you can hear then, you’re just not loud enough.

[@walkeracid]

MIDI Thru on Crave, also act as a MIDI Out. I´m just playing some wonderfull sequences from Crave to my Model D :-)

[@iqi616]

walkeracid Thanks, that answers my biggest question. Having the Neutron I'd be buying the Crave primarily for the 32 step seq (as opposed to the 16 step seqs all my other gear has) so MIDI out is a big deal for my non-CV gear.

[@kaitsu9608]

Yeah man, you could work around it with beatstep pro, as it acts as midi to cv module aswell.. perhaps regular beatstep even

[@darrenringer9811]

@doksan The newest firmware adds a setting in setup mode (Page 8 option 2) to disable the auto start behavior of the M32 sequencer. That said, I've still had mine revert to the old behavior once or twice until I toggled the setting on and off again.

[@chakko007]

It's absolutely amazing what Behringer did with the Moog ladder filter. So close to the original.

[@maikvanrossum]

Very nice comparison, as you’ve done with the Edge vs #DFAM, too 👌🏻 I was wondering why exactly #Behringer didn’t put a ladder filter into the Edge as they’ve done in the Crave…? 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@jedstephensmusic0001]

Hi, love this video (and all your videos) will you be doing a similar video for the new Behringer Edge and the DFAM? it's another near direct copy from what I can tell, but the Edge has midi and USB so much more convenient to sync with a DAW (hopefully)

[@StarskyCarr]

… if I can get my hands on one.. 😉

[@electrosonicnebula]

I think Behringer shines best when a synth is mostly their own creation, as in Neutron, although taking inspiration from the a classic in that case the oscillator section of the Minimoog. Also it was cool the Deepmind is inspired on the Junos and had all that power and sounds so awesome but then the interface is stupid with menu controls that should be hardware and vice-versa. But then I realize how fond I am of the Crave and VC340. Still think they should have enhanced + diverged a bit from the originals, giving them a couple of onboard effects. All these new analogs should have an analog delay and decent reverb onboard...

[@electricmoon5402]

There's no pulse width in the Triangle wave on the 3340 VCO, correct? I don't hear a change in the waveform when switched to the right.

[@StarskyCarr]

That’s correct.

[@garethfox9272]

Brilliant video! It's great to see someone taking an objective view and offering a direct, un-biased comparison of a cheap 'n nasty piece of gear head-to-head with a premium product. I can hear some differences when they're both pushed to extremes- the M32 wins in a pure 'synth tone' way when under severe LFO/filter load. For a muppet like me though, this was everything I needed to know about the Crave... Getting one sent out ASAP 😆

[@StarskyCarr]

Cheap ‘n cheerful 😉 😂

[@NSW-ye3xw]

I’m not a Behringer fan at all. Listening to this comparison, I think the question here is: is the subtle differences worth the £500 price difference? I think not. I would go for the Crave.

[@Cristian-DanielCalinescu]

The Behringer sounds better. So you're asking if paying £500 more for a downgrade is worth it?

[@neon_one]

Hey can you please tell me what oscilloscope software that is on the right? assuming it's a vst

[@StarskyCarr]

its the Meldaproductions oscilloscope - part of their free bundle

[@jonkruth4157]

Cool Thanks for this work bro.. i decide for the crave ;)

[@alphanumeric1529]

Hey Hutch, recently picked up a Moog Grandmother. Absolutely love it. Our 4th analog synth , but our first Moog (well, except Animoog), and our first semi-modular. The GM has just been pure bonanza for inspiration. Love it, like next level. Question: How do you think the GM would play with the Crave? In Terms of patchability, as well as overall sound? Like do you think the GM and Crave could have a lot of meaningful cv interaction, producing new sounds and rhythms by sending cv back and forth? Think it would be better with M32? Thanks!

[@jayonbaby]

Great show!

[@Gainn]

I think the Crave is a little more unruly.. Which is nice. I know I just slapped mine into an old Zoom 1201, fired up the RD-8 and had more fun than is probably legal.

[@MD_is_me]

A lot of folks don't appreciate how such seemingly subtle differences between digital and analog implementations are actually quite large when performing live: 20:52 It's no small thing and it's enough for me to take it out of my cart.

[@StarskyCarr]

I agree... when gently tweaking and going for some subtle changes this makes a huge impact.

[@funkmachine6420]

For the price the Crave would be great for anyone starting out and also a fun cheap extra sound source

[@Psionetics]

like me!

[@BrentODell]

Holy crap, that's cool. I've played around with the Moog and thought it was really cool, but for the price difference, I could chain three Craves together and really go crazy.

[@mw7851]

Damn, I never even thought of that. That makes so much sense to combine multiple craves. I only wish it was in a eurorack compatible Format to stack them up efficiently.

[@jenniferw8963]

Perhaps when doing the OSC comparison, it would of been better to use the direct output of OSC SAW and OSC SQR? Perhaps the difference between the two waves , one being smoother than the other, is the differences in the filters?

[@user-wo4xt7jx1r]

Excellent comparison! You sold me the Crave! )) Please tell - whether the sound settings can be controlled via usb on Crave from my DAW ? And whether an external sequencer(DAW) can be connected via usb? Thank you for your answer.

[@StarskyCarr]

The only thing that can be controlled via MIDI USB from a Daw is note on/off. Everything else is CV only, you can’t control the other parameters with MIDI.

[@floherz]

@@StarskyCarr probably that wasn’t there when you made the video, but now you can actually assign mod or pitch wheel midi CC to the assign out!

[@magicdave93]

I have now got both and I must admit the crave’s controls are lade out better and also the firmware update is a breeze so quick where as the M32 can be a pain but I still love my M32, I really love this comparison as it must of taken ages to work out, thanks for sharing buddy!

[@Methanol2000]

For me the Behringer firmware update has never been anything but pain..just last month firmware update bricked my Monopoly.

[@biggrime]

I got subharmonicon, dfam and matriarch. Debating crave or mother-32. What is your opinion?

[@biggrime]

@nebula393 thanks a lot

[@richardthayer5907]

LOVE THE CHANNEL!

[@brandonspivey8020]

\Good on you Starsky and good to hear your northern accent!!

[@zpinkLondonBelow]

Cheers for another great video/revelation! But damn it, you may have forced me to get a Crave now... damn it! ;-)

[@cooloutcoexist]

Great comparison, thanks. Will you do the same thing for the DFAM and the Edge? :-)

[@StarskyCarr]

Well I do have a DFAM ;)

[@johnhorrobin8560]

Can the Crave be played from Midi Input from a more sophisticated sequencer without starting the seq as with the m32 instead of using the orrable clicky buttons Thanks John Horobin

[@StarskyCarr]

you can play it via midi or cv with whatever you like. I think it records the MIDI input into the sequencer if you want (sure I've done this but would have to check!)

[@johnhorrobin8560]

@@StarskyCarr thanks for the reply plse check and get back to me - thanks J Horobin

[@s3nsec0rruptr80]

So, after testing this and the behringer model d, which would you say is best for someone short on cash and space who wants that classic, fat, buttery moog sound?

[@StarskyCarr]

Without a doubt the Model D.

[@s3nsec0rruptr80]

@@StarskyCarr thanks! If only I had room for the poly d, but model d it is!

[@boriscat1999]

what's weird about Crave's buttons is they are tactile buttons. Which to the best of my knowledge cost more in components and assembly than a silicon keypad. At least when doing the sort of volumes that Behringer. Tactile is usually considered a more premium choice. But I think they are too loud to use on drum machines, groove boxes, and modular synths.

[@the_glove]

Quit micing your synths lol

[@bruceqi8709]

Can you link 2 craves together and do the random self generating patches/sequences a lot of people were doing on 2 mother 32 ? I always wanted to have a go at that but couldnt afford a grand for 2 moogs.

[@klmberezina274]

I ve seen a crave using a Mother32 self generating patch on YT... it worked. So why not with 2 ? ;)

[@Ar7an1s]

You can but I think all the cables will be on your way a bit annoying to me. In that matter the moog one has the advantage to be stacked up with another unit :)

[@Ar7an1s]

Unless you put them next to each other ofcourse

[@FluffyAnvil]

The crave may be one of the most fun synths especially at it's price point I ever bought. I just added one to my cart as it was relatively cheap and didn't expect much but IMHO it's one of the best purchases I made, even if I hated the synth part of it I could use the ladder filter with external audio but the synth is kick-ass.

[@eldontyrellcorp]

They sound surprisingly close !

[@magmakum4628]

My crave arrived a couple of days ago. Loving it. The only thing is that I wish it had the option of running on batteries, would've been my new traveling toy :)

[@christianthompson1473]

Hmm, that might have added another 20 bucks to the price 🤔

[@EverettVinzant]

I got a Korg Monologue and a Behringer Crave. If the Crave had batteries.... You’re right. I’ve been playing the Korg a LOT more because it can go with me.

[@fatgonzo]

Mine is coming today or tomorrow and I was thinking exactly the same since I spend couple of hours on a bus most days. But then I googled "12v power bank" and you can get ones that do 12v with a selection of plugs like in universal power supplies for around 20e. Here: tinyurl.com/ranlkwh That should run it just fine for a few hours..The cells are cheap, although the description isn't clear on whether that can actually charge them or not.

[@valley_robot]

You can get usb to jack converters for up to 12 volt , then you could use a USB power bank , that’s what I’m going to do

[@oracle-0018]

Just bought one !

[@mus0rmus1c3]

Seems I need a Crave. I'd like the M32 for the Euro compatibility, but it's not worth paying double or more IMO

[@GirlfightClub]

Love the aggressive sound of the Crave tbh

[@BassBaseBerlin]

Cool video! I'm an analog bass player and I'm just thinking to get some synth device for additional bass sounds. So there are some bass pedals - but I think it would be more "artificial" to take a real synth. And your video showed me nice stuff. So ... maybe I will get the "crave" just for having fun around christmas. Not sure, if it will get to a live gig - but I'm quite sure I will have fun with it. Thanks for the video, liked! Best regards, Stefan

[@StarskyCarr]

Get it... have a play, and if you not get much use from it you'll never lose much if you sell it. I always think of things like this as losing some cash if I sell them on, but I've had the fun from them for a few hours, which was worth the money. Thanks for watching :)

[@Quark.Lepton]

Enjoyed that-well done. If I had the money, I’d go with the Moog and maintain my black & silver motif rather than end up with Behringer’s lolly jar.

[@andewprod]

yeah thats true, the orange panel and the funny "CRAVE" logo looks rather like a something would get for free with a magazine. But once you hear the sound all this doesnt matter anymore :D

[@dans.8198]

Great comparison. At 27:14 it is clear the devices are very out of tune from each other. But in other parts of the comparison, they seem in tune. What happened ?

[@StarskyCarr]

Ha no idea. I’ll have been mucking about with them while making the sequence. I’ll have played around with everything to create the sequence I demo later, which uses a fair bit of modulation. Then come back to the start and demo what I’ve just been doing. I do this to make sure I’m going somewhere useful and not just making noises. But when doing these vids you’re concentrating on so much going on plus distractions... levels, timing, camera batteries, microphone getting in the way, telephones ringing etc etc it’s easy to miss the obvious!

[@alexsmart5452]

15:06 What does he mean by "Notch"?..its almost like a notch. Ive heard him say that in other videos and reviews and have never understood the meaning(even after looking it up)

[@StarskyCarr]

A notch is an indentation on a surface which is where the name comes from. The best way to envisage what a notch filter does is to imagine a straight line with a V shaped dip in the middle (the notch). The tip of the V is the cutoff frequency. As you sweep the cutoff you are reducing the frequencies in the mid range - as opposed to a high pass reducing the lows or a low pass reducing the highs.

[@alexsmart5452]

​@@StarskyCarr So when you say "its like a notch" you are saying that it sounds like frequency is being cutoff at the midrange(since there is no actual filter) at some point in the sound being played(or note). That doesnt sound like a good thing..or am I not understanding that a loss of frequency real or perceived is a "good thing"(Where have you gone)? or I could just shut up and listen. lol. Im new and learning(kind of).

[@StarskyCarr]

A notch filter is a thing - big with SEM oberheims and the like. It is a good thing 😀 I can’t remember why I said it in this - cutting the mid range can be great you get the beefy lows and the bright highs without the mud dunes of the mids.

[@JDSoundsets]

Great Video Starsky, I may get the Crave for the Money seems a no brainer (Just aswell I don't have..brain ).

[@marsmediapro]

I have been enjoying your videos ever since I got my 1st Behringer synth. One of my friends is considering either getting a Neutron or a Crave- might you do a video comparing those two? It's likely similar to comparing melons to apples, but hey, you are my fave synth master- will you conduct a Crave VS Neutron video? Thanks.

[@StarskyCarr]

Thanks, glad you're enjoying the channel. I've not got a Neutron, but may get hold of one - it didn't appeal to me as I think I've got it covered in other synths. I buy these myself so tend to only get things that might be a good addition.

[@marsmediapro]

@@StarskyCarr Fascinating- Thanks for your candid reply, and I concur.

[@Soundnautic]

What software plugins are being used to monitor the waves... the eq and oscilloscope. Also what spectrum analyzer does everyone recommend?

[@StarskyCarr]

Logic EQ and Meldaproduction oscilloscope part of their free bundle

[@ezion67]

IMO For spectrum + VU + stereo correlation on your master-bus SPAN from Voxandgo (freeware VST) is among the best there is.

[@AdamTheAd-vanc3d]

@@ezion67 I use Voxengo bit actually prefer the Melda plugins. Good shout still 👍🏾

[@Spherical_El]

Epic. Sounds exactly the same as the Mo...

[@ciatangallaghe2485]

It's up to Moog now to find. Way to reach the more affordable market..

Good Job!!

[@GB3770]

they sound identical to me - at least the initial bit at 35 mins - i rly doubt anyone could tell the difference if blindfolded - id be well impressed if anyone could tell them apart - maybe there is some way to do so... Once in a track i rly think it might be impossible to do but you never know...maybe someone has magic ears out there...

[@xisotopex]

how similar is the malekko manther to these?

[@StarskyCarr]

I've never used one sorry.

[@marcmistermarc]

I really like the transposable sequencer in the Crave. Not sure if the Moog can do it.

[@StarskyCarr]

A very timely comment.... I’ve just released on of my Virtual Moogfest videos showing the M32 with the MoogerFooger delay. In it I play a sequence and transpose it live while tweaking the M32 and delay kzbin.info/www/bejne/iXOon593a7Cbbac

[@6stringks]

No Crave without Bob. Have a Crave myself but will get some Bob stuff too when my funds allow. Moog is analogue fatness ;-) Thanks for your work!

[@Strepite]

Bob is dead...

[@doverbeachxyz]

I did a blind test. They are almost identical, but I always recognize the mother 32 and the crave. Crave is more "aggressive" in the low end but loses character in the higher range. There are also some subtle nuances (i.e. when pwm or changing the lfo rate) impossible to hear with the crave because it tends to distorce. Nuances that are instead audible with the M32. I'm not an expert (just passionate about modular) and my language is not appropriate, but that's what I hear.

[@StarskyCarr]

Same here... subtle differences but they are there. when you spend hours designing sounds and tweaking stuff the differences become clear. Most people will never do this and never care, but if you do.. it makes a difference. Behringer know this and it works great for them... and for their customers (including me) but sometimes the more subtle things are needed.

[@gilangakhirramadhan3900]

thank you very much!

[@commentingpausedtoprotectus]

I'd love to have one of these but I've played guitar all my life and I've absolutely no idea what to do to turn it from bleepy Mc bleep-bleeps and that white noise into music! Looks like a tonne of fun though!

[@andewprod]

The crave is a very simple synth and you can have loads of fun using it without any patch cables. All you need is some patience and a few youtube tutorials. The good thing is that once you understand the crave you will easily understand any other analog synth It took me more than a year with the crave to discover its true potential.. at least for my use and taste. The crave is really good at leads and arpeggios and other "organic" melody sounds.

[@omarbonifacino3381]

Wow friend. Behringher Is a super sound wonderful sound

[@petercane6376]

Moog is Moog and of course is respected for quality. There are also Behringer Haters around and they make it known. I have some hearing loss due to age but I cannot actually hear any difference. So if the Crave is better laid out, sounds the same, more working space and a 5th of the price I would rather have the Crave. In fact I am going to the synth shop this morning for one. When Moog saw this video they must have been horror stricken with the Audacity of it. Thank you for having the Audacity!

[@powermix24]

I bought a Model D and a crave for $420, there is no justifying a Moog Mother 32 IMHO. Great comparison.

[@scalebrain643]

Darkice Presents Arguably repair/service would be one reason. Parts supply chains via Behringer are a nightmare vs getting a part direct via Moog/it’s suppliers in my experience. You pay more, but it’s for the piece of mind you will be taken care of when something goes wrong - nobody talks about it cause repairs suck, but it’s the reality with larger companies vs boutique/smaller companies. That said, I think the new Behringer units sound great while they work - but I’ve sent more back for repair/parts in the short time I’ve seen them on the market vs the Mother range of products.

[@powermix24]

@@scalebrain643 There are lemons in all things we buy,i'll take my chance with them. Moog is a classic American built and well made no doubt, but i can't afford a minimoog for 3500 used that's 37 years old. Certain things are worth the hassle.

[@AshBashVids]

@@scalebrain643 The Crave just came out. Behringer's synths are also fairly well built too. Have little very little complaints or mentions of faults.

[@Breakbeat90s]

@@scalebrain643 they shouldnt break that easily tho so it's definetly worth spending less than half the price on a crave

[@scalebrain643]

@@powermix24 Sure there are lemons in all gear from all companies - it is how those lemons are sorted afterward. I agree, the clones sound great and are an excellent/only alternative to the real thing (Odyssey sounds awesome) - just hope you have better luck with repair parts than I've had on a regular basis. I'm glad these synths have come out, but I also fix music electronics for a living and figured I would say my piece in this regard. There are several reasons the modern Moogs are so expensive and same goes for why the Behringers are so inexpensive - repairability/customer service being a large one IMO.

[@eldontyrellcorp]

I didn't know the crave was a clone in disguise... Interesting! I have a crave and always wanted to have a mother 32. I won't buy one then :)

[@alessiomiraglia]

What do you suggest Uno synth or Crave?

[@StarskyCarr]

It really depends on what you're going to do with it. If you need presets, 2 voices etc then UNO. For a more hands on experience the CRAVE. I can't decide.. so I have both :)

[@Larry30102]

Not being able to rack Crave would be a deal breaker. Uncanny how similar they sound. I have a M32 and it kick but over any Moog software emulation imo.

[@StarskyCarr]

There’s someone on eBay U.K. that sells them for £20 a pair.

[@nebula0697]

The sound comparison is astounding. I prefer the Moog's interface but wow. As I keep saying in the Behringer clone-to-original comparisons, I hope most of the price difference is not attributable to factory workers' working conditions.

[@Sycokay]

Since the PCBs of Moog are also made in China there is no difference. With a Moog you support the US citizens that assemble the units I suppose. And pay for a name.

[@fluim0102]

@@Sycokay If the Behringer costs like 40 bucks and the Moog maybe 70 or 80, then you could already arrive at such a huge difference in retail price... Also Moog probably keeps their prices intendendly higher to fit a higher end brand.. Fun fact Gibson guitars were a lot cheaper in the 80's or 90's and it ended up hurting sales, since people thought they would also be less good... so they quickly raised prices again ;)

[@VestedUTuber]

The different in price is partially due to Behringer not doing any significant R&D since their clones are directly reverse-engineered from the originals, partially due to lower wages and thus lower manufacturing costs in China, and partially due to the fact that Moog synths are fully hand-built with the exception of the individual electronic components and PCBs which have to be outsourced.

[@brmbkl]

@@VestedUTuber translation for the apologists: moog pays people to carefully conceive synth designs, pays their workers living wages in a democracy, and the synths are assembled by people, not robots, thereby providing additional employment in said democracy.

[@brmbkl]

@@fluim0102 moog is not Gibson.

[@DBCisco]

Thanks !!

[@edwardprue]

Maybe I missed something (I was multi-tasking 😅) - did you ever touch on the envelope SUSTAIN switch on the M32? Or the fact that the patchbay input for the M32 LFO rate allows one to drive the LFO well into audio range? (around 600-650 Hz, I think, maybe more). I do have a bias (as my response to your comment about the design similarity makes clear). Just thought you might mention the SUSTAIN switch, since you mentioned the Crave SUSTAIN multiple times.

[@StarskyCarr]

I use the sustain switch when using the sequencer to demonstrate the gate length. I didn’t go into the patchbay, as both can do the same. I do however note that the Moog is faster when using the standard LFO. I mention CRaVE sustain a couple of times as it’s a notable difference.

[@Jimbo386000]

His whole thing was that the Moog has a switch so it’s only on and off and the Behringer has a knob so you can get that classic ADSR expression from it.

[@StarskyCarr]

Hah. Yeah, maybe I should only respond if someone actually watched it !! ;)

[@edwardprue]

@@StarskyCarr 😁 Fair enough - next time I'll have to make sure I'm not multi-tasking!

[@krsTBedfordStudios]

The LFO on the Moog can be driven to a max of 600Hz I believe, normal range is 1-350Hz, the crave falls slightly below this but not by a great deal, just a noticeable one lol

[@SynthgodXXX]

Thank you for this video! You ROCK! A+++++++++++++++++++++++++++

[@WingHouseCup]

Never considered how similar these two are. Wow.

[@StarskyCarr]

It came as a surprise to me. I had no idea until I stated to record this.

[@martywhiskersdoggity9392]

I sent my Crave to a furniture shop and they cleared off the lacquer on the wood panels for $300...... well worth it!

[@StarskyCarr]

Haha love it

[@sparrow867]

so similar except the moog pulse width sounds so much crisper. i need crispy.

[@sutusmihaly]

..to be fair, if behri nger cloned the moog mother-32, the design and sound of the crave is more my liking..even the orange colour fits to the palette of colours of the edge and possibly from the spice..cant wait to complete the trinity..I like behringer synths 🍀 🍄 🌻 ❤ great video by the way 🙂

[@gr4phic3r]

if you compare the 600 euro mother-32 and the 155 euro crave then the crave is faaar in front in relation what you get for your money, I ordered a crave last friday :)

[@streetdoghanoi]

2 year review, how's that crave working out for you?

[@drfluffy3983]

Cool comparison, i am not really interested in the Grave and also the mother 32 is not really on my wanted list atm. Subharmonicon looks much more interessting for me. But i would love to see a video like this about the comparison of the Behringer Edge that should come out soon and the Moog Dfam, i own the DFAM but would not mind to have a second one and a "travel DFAM" with midi. I only fear they go again with the 3340 Oscillator and even when that is for sure not a bad one, it will become hard to deliever the same power over the same frequency range as the dfam does.

[@StarskyCarr]

I’ll be doing my best to get hold of an edge

[@drfluffy3983]

@@StarskyCarr nice, would be really interesting how close it becomes. When they released the Boog Model D i made a extra visit at the Thomann music store to test it next to a Minimoog and could was really impressed that it was near impossibel to say only by audio what is what, but there they had the original osc cloned working inside. But since the Neutron they are in love with the 3340 Osc, what is how is said an amazing osc, but not to mimic a Moog

[@rorschach1]

The crave really sounds like a sequential filter!

[@SpeccyMan]

"What's in a name? That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet."

[@gnarlysoundscapes7210]

I never noticed how similar the Crave is to the Mother 32.

[@davidgoode7416]

Awesome!

[@leetronix]

Buttons BUTTONS haha trying playing on an Elektron Click Click Clack Clack hehe...nice video by the way :)

[@djkurtstudio]

I now look at Behringer as one of the most innovative companies out there and get excited when I see new products like these coming out. Years ago I used to think of them as studio junk. Obviously not run by the same team and engineers as it was many years ago! The company has taken a complete U-turn! I now think they're one of the best! Keep em coming guys!

[@klmberezina274]

Thanx, again... Nice work, and for me honest and unbiaised...