Behringer vs Moog: Why Behringer is Winning the Synth Wars. Exibit A: Syncussion SY-1

On this Episode of "That Synth Car" we are ranting about why Behringer is blowing away Moog in every way. Let me know ur thoughts.
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[@Siprophet08]

It's not just Behringer, Arturia just bitch slapped Moog with the PolyBrute 12. I'm glad I kept my originals which were designed by Bob. Uli doesn't hide the fact that he is selling cheap Chinese clones. Moog is trying to convince us to pay for expensive Chinese clones. Now where TF is my BCR32 Uli?

[@synthsamuraiproductions]

Yes exactly truth vs deception… maybe thats why moog makes my spider 🕷️ sense go off

[@Helvanic]

And Arturia also innovates with digital. The Minifreak is an awesome beast for 600$ (in its own way, I'm not comparing it to analog synths).

[@Siprophet08]

@@Helvanic I want one but I'm saving up for another digital beast

[@CalTN]

"Cheap" isn't an adjective I would use to describe Behringer synthesizers post Deepmind12/Crave productions. They did the work to engineer the manufacturing and supply chain of classic integrated circuit chips like the IR3109 filter. "Together with the classic analog polysynths themselves, the Curtis chips have long been out of production. In 2018 however, thanks to the new boom in analog synthesis, the 3340 VCO chip is once again available, from no less than three sources." These integrated circuit components ARE NOT expensive relative to your modern CPU. The Ryzen 7 5800X is a 7 nm production node using 4,150 million transistors. These VCOs and OTA, oscillators and op amp filters, are quite simple IC chips but it took Uli and his team to trailblaze their production back to life.

[@synthsamuraiproductions]

@@CalTN boom 💥 that how u bring the fire 🔥 brother wooweee . Cheap … i dont think so

[@jumpingman8160]

Moog is that fancy rich burguoise guy in the Titanic that refuses to get in the life boat with the working class as the Titanic is sinking

[@synthsamuraiproductions]

Perfect analogy 😱

[@wonderwheel80s]

...and when the Titanic is sunk, he blames the working class for his drowning.

[@jumpstar9000]

Too right man. The innovation that Behringer is bringing to the table is delivering great products at affordable prices, and doing it consistently. What more could anyone want.

[@synthsamuraiproductions]

I mean is it that hard to see it or give credit??

[@Heathcliff_hensel]

Moog charges premium prices for the most basic synthesizers.

[@synthsamuraiproductions]

100% the jig is up

[@lundsweden]

If you can afford it they're very nice, beautiful woodwork- it's like a $3,000 custom guitar, sure it doesn't sound much better, but it looks so cool!

[@kvmoore1]

There is an old Moog ad from the 70's that says "IF you can afford a truck, you can afford a synthesizer!" The ad showed a black and white picture that featured a Ford pickup truck and a small Moog modular system. I'm pretty sure that particular truck in the picture must've cost the same as the synthesizer.

[@lundsweden]

@@kvmoore1 But you can't drive to work in your Moog modular!

[@synthsamuraiproductions]

@@kvmoore1 lol thats hilarious

[@couchcamperTM]

they just released the syncussion xD

[@synthsamuraiproductions]

Amazing!!! Just saw

[@AbsurdTV1]

Looks very cool. Sticking the basics and loven it

[@DanglyLingham]

Cool glasses dude. You look like a cool synth space terminator

[@synthsamuraiproductions]

Lol cheers my brother.. ill be back

[@tommyg5095]

Whoever can take what is already known in electronic circuitry, and engineer the designs of synths that we as consumers want, these companies will succeed. Roland was at one time at the top of design/ development, but I personally would not buy any of their products today.. Uli is doing the right thing, taking good ideas and concepts, and not only making them better, but making them affordable... His company is seeing profits that others can only dream of... How many more Moog One 16 voice units would have been sold if they were $5,000, instead of $10,000. How many more Arturia PB12 's would sell if the price was brought down.. I believe the two items in particular would generate more profit for the companies, by virtue of more items sold. Yes , a smaller profit margin, but more profit due to increased number of sales...

[@synthsamuraiproductions]

Yeah brother couldnt agree more

[@CalTN]

Not to mention manufacturing costs typically decrease as you scale production.

[@EchoKraft]

Right on brother!!!!!

[@davebellamy4867]

0:33 Suzanne Ciani likes Buchla. It's all in the name name, like Moog.

[@synthsamuraiproductions]

🤔

[@AutisticCuriosity]

Moog is ‘Inmusic’

[@synthsamuraiproductions]

Yup InMoogic

[@davebellamy4867]

​​@@synthsamuraiproductions InMoogic!😂

[@jaypkock]

For me as a new synth-head - I look at sounds and prices and I can only say - even of I won $10000 I would only buy Behringer products... Idk why I would want to spend more on one Moog, Subsequential or even Roland, synth when I can spend on multiple devices that sounds perfectly good to my ears - with added features... Like come on - my first synth I got now, the pro-800 not only sounds great, it has CC MIDI so I can literally use it as analogue hardware OR a MIDI controller for VSTs? This is for the price of what only the MIDI CC desktop would cost? No-brainer

[@RichKielbasa]

Moog should Photoshop Uli in their next few advertisements. Worked for Behringer.

[@synthsamuraiproductions]

Hahah not a bad idea

[@lecliche8849]

Where's Cycling Mikey when you need him.

[@synthsamuraiproductions]

Oh yeah

[@smartti1970]

good luck on your monday ... we need a minimoog with ikea wood for 1500.-

[@synthsamuraiproductions]

Yeah do it agree

[@synthsamuraiproductions]

Call it Minimoog Lite

[@smartti1970]

@@synthsamuraiproductions 😆

[@jumpingman8160]

Well, Moog already sells you synths for you to built yourself... so it seems logical

[@lundsweden]

Moog probably secretly use Behringer made components. IMO Roland should make a new analog synth with Behringer. They worked with Studio Electronics to make the SE-2, why not work with the big B to make a new 16 voice Super Jupiter synth with poly aftertouch.

[@synthsamuraiproductions]

Yeah roland and korg should collab why not!! Would be epic. Also low 🔑 moog is behringer behringer is moog 👀

[@pepe7drum]

because they are greedy

[@charlesbronson2806]

Im curious how the Enigma sounds. I wanna hear if the lpg sounds right.

[@synthsamuraiproductions]

Yeah i cant wait for the demo… might be a while though lol

[@jdmjesus6103]

The arguments against knockoffs (i don't think behringer are knockoffs but bear with me) are that they are usually lower quality sub par imitations with every corner cut of current products, and that that cuts the profits of the companies that are doing the innovation and moving things forward, meaning no new products will be developed. None of this is true of behringer. They are making improved versions of 40 year old obsolete products which does nothing to stifle progress. If a company wants to make a new type of innovative synth, there is nothing stopping them, and if an existing manufacturer wants to re release an old model, they could (and often do) as well. I think people are just salty because it knocks some value off their old broken synths.

[@synthsamuraiproductions]

I think u nailed it brother totally 💯

[@DukedeLux]

I think Moog has been in the Upsidedown for a while, specially after the new owner’s take over. Let’s hope Moog will recover and offer new products to more competitive prices after the integration with InMusic. In the previous situation I honestly think Moog could not compete in prices with Behringer or other brands, just because of the company’s scale factor and production located in US. Kind of comparing Zara with a local taylor. It is a wonder that customers have kept Moog alive paying the extra fee for almost taylor made products. All the other original synth companies went bankrupt and discontinued production. On the other side Behringer is creating synthaddiction with their never ending reincarnations

[@immersiveaudionft2203]

Behringer owns Moog literally.

[@synthsamuraiproductions]

I mean cool audio (musictribe) makes all the chips now 😂

[@DjDoggDad]

Stradivarius created the modern standard of what is a violin, we don't fault luthiers for building strad styled clones, in fact its even expected. Uli & gang are just electronic luthiers using the standards that were set in place of what we expect certain things to sound like. Sure I would love an original 808 or moog or *insert antique overpriced gear here*, but a styled copy can do the thing, sure I would love a strad but a styled copy can do the thing.

[@synthsamuraiproductions]

Exactly brother. Pure logic

[@WrvrUgoThrUR]

I don’t like Behringer. I don’t dislike Behringer. But I love the 💩 outta my Deepmind 6 !!!!!

[@jjrusy7438]

i ate it to get a grandmother made in asheville. prior to the buyout, i was kicking around selling it. i think i will keep it as a memento. speaking of behr killing it, 2 of those model15's= a matriarch minus the keyboard for $600

[@synthsamuraiproductions]

Ohhh man never even thought of that!!! Gonna grab a double?

[@jjrusy7438]

@@synthsamuraiproductions since i have granny, i just need 1 model15. those 900 series circuits really sound so rich, and all the big moog rigs used those. imo granny sounds better than sub37 etc. matriarch has dual filters and 4 osc. since 15's are also semi-mod, you can run serial or parallel filters using the mults. semi-mod also means you can input sounds from other synths for dual filtering. 2x 15's means you can do 2 osc sync things that are different, and much more stuff i'm sure. fwiw, the 1st uno pro is 3osc and dual filters and imo, desktop is most bang for buck synth with microfreak. it has nice bass + effects too which freak doesn't have. im an uno fan. the plain uno is super fun too.

[@kvmoore1]

If the original designer of a synth is behind the development of it's recreation, then the synth is not a clone. It is a reissue of the original. BTW, How about a nice new $5000 appalachian cherry Minimoog Model D. Hehehe. How about a Minimoog Model D Lite that is the "SAME SIZE," "SAME LOOK," with the "SAME SOUND" but with a cheaper lighter weight chassis. Exchange the wood for sturdy plastic, like on the Grandmother and Matriarch. Keep the spacious tiltable control panel with the large knobs. Sell it for $2500, half the price of the regular Minimoog. Keep the regular Minimoog for those with deep pockets, but make a more affordable lighter version for those who can't afford the regular more expensive one. I think that would be a win-win for everyone. On a side note, I can remember when the first Model D reissue back in 2017 was selling for $3500 and some people thought even that was still too much money for a Minimoog.

[@synthsamuraiproductions]

Thats exactly what im saying brother. There is so much room to start making smart moves to get these beautiful synths to the massaes

[@kvmoore1]

@@synthsamuraiproductions Absolutely!

[@redsox3906]

Moog's problems are simple. They charge $5,000 for the Model D, while Behringer charges $300 for a Model D that sounds almost as good. It all goes down to production. Behringer has automated its supply chain as much as possible. Moog is keeping the hand assembled synth production process but moving it to Taiwan. Moog could have done what Behringer did with production but kept it in the USA which is what the Moog consumers really wanted.

[@synthsamuraiproductions]

Yeah its gonna be real hard to please the moogers here a fine needle 🪡 to thread 🧵

[@kvmoore1]

At the time Behringer first released their $300 Model D clone, Moog's Minimoog Model D reissue was $3,500, not $5,000. Then, Moog stopped making the Model D for a few years and later brought it back for $5,000 (not $3,500). Why raise the price on the SAME SYNTH!!!? They did it to the Moog One as well. The Moog One 16-voice was originally $8 000, not $10,000, which is what it is today. That's just over a period of 5 years. It's ridiculous.

[@synthsamuraiproductions]

@@kvmoore1 total madness man

[@geoffk777]

Would I rather have a MiniMoog than a Model-D? Of course. Is it worth $5000 to me instead of $350? No fricking way. Moog has become a luxury company like Rolex or Hermes. People buy them for the name and status; not because they want to make music with the sounds.

[@synthsamuraiproductions]

I think I would have to agree with you, my friend.

[@MikkelGrumBovin]

Looking good , mr. Samurai !

[@synthsamuraiproductions]

Right back at you brother

[@o.b.v.i.u.s]

Well, I love Moog prducts, and I love Behringer products. I own several products from each company (and many others). But most of the comments sound like they're from noobs who don't know $h¡† about $h¡†. As is so often the case, they don't think for themselves and just follow the content provider (in this case Synth Samurai). Now all of a sudden it's a rush to condemn Moog and exalt Behringer (who not long ago were a laughing stock). I can't tell the future of Moog but until recently they were an employee-owned American company whose premium products were still hand-built in the USA. Apparently many of the commenters are also ignorant about what that means economically. Too bad, Samurai, you need content so bad you have to pit Moog and Behringer and perpetuate the BS. I'm sure to buy several more Behringer synths in months ahead. Moog I'm not so sure about, now that they've been sold. Time will tell... 🙄

[@synthsamuraiproductions]

Im synth samurai and i love behringer. Moog are snake oil salesmen. Rip off artists. But they sure are pretty. All the commenters are legends as well. Though shall not judge, where did i hear that somewhere.

[@R4DL4B]

SUMMER OF SYNTHS BABY!

[@synthsamuraiproductions]

Big time!!

[@tadams1227]

I hate Moog. I hate Moog. I HATE MOOG!!! BTW, did I mention I hate Moog?

[@synthsamuraiproductions]

😂

[@samprock]

I have very few synths Buchla 208C, Moog Model D, Moog Subsequent 37, Korg ARP 2600 ...... Zero Behringers, too many, too expensive 😜 Waiting for a Muse to kiss me ... or better 😁 Any Behringer that has Moog Subsequent 37 editor VST to control over DAW?

[@synthsamuraiproductions]

Man u got All the big hitters

[@samprock]

@@synthsamuraiproductions ... and no time to play them, only time to pay them LOL

[@aftertheendtimes]

I repeat and said it before InMusic killed or at least smeard the Moog brand, Love ya' synth Samurai

[@synthsamuraiproductions]

Agree man. Love you too brother!!

[@SpaceCapsuleOne]

Buickla has adapted Balenciaga 's pricing strategy. 10k?

[@synthsamuraiproductions]

Hahahahha

[@MrRacecourser]

Moog has already gone tits up, unfortunately.

[@synthsamuraiproductions]

They need a hail mary now

[@klstay]

A disclaimer then first thought/comment: I have a Behringer MonoPoly, Cat, Model D, and RD9 - they have all been great. Delays in a synth release, especially the higher end models, are commonplace and NOT a big deal. An 8 voice bi-timbral great sounding synth (I will be shocked if it is other than great sounding) made with higher end components (top quality steel shaft pots, metal knobs, etc.) with a great workflow/interface at $4k is EXACTLY what a fair few want. $3500 for a 4 octave monotimbral 6 voice Trigon (also higher end components) which continues to sell well for a reason or $500 for the Muse...

[@synthsamuraiproductions]

If its great i love it. The spectravox blew hard. So waiting to see if they make it

[@klstay]

@@synthsamuraiproductions the demos have been terrible; they should have gotten it into the hands of someone who knows what they are doing with a 296t or Fumana, or Bark to see how comparable it might be for those wanting that. If you want a vocoder get a used STVC and then enjoy all the other great things it also does.

[@synthsamuraiproductions]

@klstay yeah agree. Thats kinda my point about moog not so much the products stink 💩 but their whole marketing plan has sucked on everything

[@klstay]

@@synthsamuraiproductions agreed on this fairly unique offering. However, I think Tim Shoebridge is working with the Muse and I cannot think of many I would rather have introduce it to me. Right now my thoughts on Moog and the Muse in particular are simply the slipped ship date is NOT that big a deal so just wait until it is out there before really deciding anything about the company or it.

[@synthsamuraiproductions]

@@klstay yeah tim will be a great ambassador for this synth lets hope its worthy of his time

[@allkeyspro6606]

Uli Behringer- the Donald Trump of the synth world!

[@synthsamuraiproductions]

Hahahhaha u aint wrong… i think he is more of Elon Musk of the synth world

[@crnkmnky]

@@synthsamuraiproductions Musk certainly has rabid fanboys as does Behringer, but his critics need to step up if they expect to compete with Behringer Derangement Syndrome.

[@synthsamuraiproductions]

@crnkmnky hahahha yes indeed.

[@R4DL4B]

💯

[@LucyLightHernandez]

OK, they hear well. Because we want MOOG, but it has to last, it vannot be cheapo. Because they make these synth moogergoody goods we can finally have these sounds and it is coming loud, souds authetic, and listen I still want MOOG, but who can afford it. The rest need to come mini, they make the cables so we can buy the synny moog synth, so BEHRINGER DID IT WAO!!!!!!!! Awe I can heal myself, these are my medications, I can be better.....AOWee!🎹🎹🎹🎹🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶🎵🎵🎵🎼🎼🎼🎼

[@synthsamuraiproductions]

Wooweee 😂

[@nonahyobusiness8063]

That Synth Car again. Love it.

[@synthsamuraiproductions]

We back baby!!!! Season 2

[@klstay]

Second thought/comment: the recent Behringer Facebook comment no synth should cost more than $1500 is ridiculous. If you make a good living at it premium grade studio kit and touring boards are worth every penny. Also, those with a lot of disposable income who prefer a premium build are better served there as long as the rest of what they want from a synth is also present. I appreciate Behringer kit as a hobbyist where it can be a great fit. At the same time one and done with a Hydrasynth Deluxe covers pretty much ALL the territory of EVERY announced or shipped Behringer synth...

[@synthsamuraiproductions]

Good point… but… maybe Uli knows something we dont know

[@klstay]

@@synthsamuraiproductions maybe. What he has done with their synth lineup is straightforward, but how he did it was brilliant. Those classics are fun to own & play; the pricepoint makes them accessible for us hobbyists. Being limited compared to a fully modern synth can be good in some ways. Not sure if it is part of their plans, but I would love to see an original using the bi-timbral 16 voice 5 octave "platform" inspired by Polyevolver. Pair 3340 with Pro VS oscillator/side, upcoming UB-X and Pro 16 filters, and the rest from other existing models.

[@EchoKraft]

Preach !!!!

[@synthsamuraiproductions]

🇺🇸

[@petercane6376]

I wholly agree with you. Just bought a Behringer 2600. I love it and its price so much I immediately ordered another!! I akso dont like this " clone" word. They have recreated a lot of vintage synths because they are loved and only the rich and collectors can afford them at rocket prices and their components are failing fast. Behringer remake the thing and with better functionality like ...adding midi.... Like adding certain waves to oscilators etc etc. I am currently selling my Moog gear. I cannot eben get $500 Australian dollars for it!!!? People are realising and soon the haters will jump on board or else pay through the nose for shit that does not work.

[@synthsamuraiproductions]

They can only hate for so long then they will covert. “First they ignore, then they laugh, then they fight you, then… you win”

[@synthsamuraiproductions]

Also double BARPs man thats awesome.

[@pmumble76]

I have a friend who recently bought some B modules. They feel like cheap junk. You get what you pay for.

[@synthsamuraiproductions]

Mine feel amazing built like sherman tanks

[@pmumble76]

These are the Behringer 140, 172, 173, and four lfo specifically. Their jacks are not bolted to the faceplates, the knobs wiggle, and the sliders feel cheap. Specifically which modules do you have that you feel are built like a tank?

[@synthsamuraiproductions]

@pmumble76 model d neutron monopoly wasp all built like fighter jets

[@AbsurdTV1]

Behringer is 10 steps ahead of Moog 🎉

[@synthsamuraiproductions]

Light years 🚀

[@michaelpierce3264]

Re-animate?

[@synthsamuraiproductions]

I like it, re incarnate instead of clone or re animate 😂

[@SigmaTigerNews]

Reincarnate > Clone

[@synthsamuraiproductions]

Ohhh yeah

[@EchoKraft]

Re-animate

[@custardgannet]

Clone something decades old but don't clone something still in production and researched and developed by someone else

[@synthsamuraiproductions]

Not a bad idea i think

[@michaelpierce3264]

Hunter Biden Buchla?

[@synthsamuraiproductions]

Cmonnnn mannn (biden voice) 😂

[@user-sh9-fd1uc]

Both Moog and Behringer are delusional. The future is in soft synths and midi controllers.

[@synthsamuraiproductions]

Lol u are prob right there actually

[@jumpstar9000]

As much as I love my soft synths, despite our best efforts, they can't fully emulate analog, but more than this, they certainly can't replicate the physicality of a piece of hardware or immediacy.

[@couchcamperTM]

@@jumpstar9000 correct, I refuse to buy 2 or three midi controllers to play with the software like I can with the real deal.

[@jumpstar9000]

@couchcamperTM Right, but MIDI controllers can only go so far. If you were to have a MIDI controller for all the popular VSTs it would be better to have the real deal. Plus, if you want the experience of a DAWless setup it is extremely difficult to get the latency low enough. That is even more the case when you have a pure analog signal path. It doesn't get faster or more continuous than the speed of electricity in copper. Both certainly have their place, and I don't see that changing anytime soon. The CAGR on the musical instrument market by some measures is 7.5% and climbing.

[@synthsamuraiproductions]

@jumpstar9000 team hardware

[@kierenmoore3236]

Any excitement I had for the Muse is dead … 🪦 The Spectravox is useless as a vocoder … 😵 RIP Moog. 😢

[@synthsamuraiproductions]

Couldn’t agree more, but as the greatest synth new sleuth i must follow the story 😂

[@bananarider69]

Moog used to be the Ford of the synth world. More like the Honda Accordion now

[@synthsamuraiproductions]

😂 yup