Bellman CX25P Stovetop Espresso Maker - Review

[@cobra646]

I just found one of these for $2 at a garage sale, pretty excited to try it

[@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters]

What a bargain!!! 🤜🏻 happy brewing

[@scummymulisha]

That's thievery! Jk

[@sherwin3]

What??? Classic Aussie steal!

[@treashinalim3011]

I got this for SGD 495, it's definitely worth it !!!

[@sorayamiller9356]

works?

[@lukewormald5802]

These are fantastic units. We have one in our camper trailer and use it on the gas stove. You can buy a tamp designed to fit over the hole so you don't have to use the level to tamp with.

[@unicornconservationco]

We found one in a cafe we bought! What a fun discovery! Thanks for the video to understand how it works.

[@andyk4676]

Really good quality review, thanks for taking the time

[@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters]

cheers, thank you

[@big5astra]

You could just find a small rubber plug with a bit of a shoulder on one end to put partly inside that centre tube when placing the ground coffee inside the holder. That would allow easier distribution of the ground coffee into the whole holder rather than getting coffee all over your fingers.

[@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters]

Thanks for the tip!

[@MsCellobass]

Wow great demo there! I plan to just get the steamer one since I already have a Moka and an espresso machine.

[@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters]

Yes that it a great product and the steam pressure is awesome

[@gerardvandijk1173]

Makes great coffee, description is accurate!

[@totti79]

Its basically a glorified mola pot with pressure gauge and steam wand. Espresso needs 9 bar and 93 degrees C . The moka pot is 1.3 bar and 107 C

[@Alley00Cat]

Bellman has this without the moka function, to be used purely as a milk steamer along with your lever espresso machine. But I love this one, same size, plus all-in-one moka/steamer you can bring on your trips. Very nice engineering.

[@maltamaryfree]

I have been eyeing the Bellman on ebay fo a while. Fun holiday espresso machine.

[@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters]

Yes it’s perfect for camping and holidays 👌🏻😄

[@peterlee9691]

Won't the first cup extraction tastes different from the second cup?

[@nanmillion]

did you burn your bench top putting it straight from the gas burner to the bench?

[@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters]

No it was ok, the neck tops are pretty solid here as we made them out selves and put additional hardner I to the paint

[@adrianscarlett]

I use a lapavoni lever machine, but this looks great as a backup

[@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters]

Yea, a good option as a backup or camping. Cheers luke

[@lindsay6529]

Hi, Great informative and simple video. I have a Breville BES850 Barista Express at home that I absolutely love. I find it sooooo consistant and very easy to tweak and adjust to beans/ grind etc .... I need something for caravaning and at times without 240v (although I have a 3000W inverter to do the job temporarily - would rather not have to use this). Will I be able to replicate EXACTLY what I'm able to get at home (Almond Flat White - double shot) with the beans that I could either buy or pre grind at home? I have never used plunger coffee etc ...... and are not interested in going that way either!

[@yvonnedaly8984]

Just got this unit and am getting used to it. How do I stop the coffee sputtering? Lower pressure on n the gage?

[@cookersandbun]

I have the same problem! Have you found any tips/advice?

[@DebShadbolt]

This is my 4th time using it. Has worked fine but my coffee is not pouring out. Just a slow drip. Can you help please

[@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters]

Can you adjust your grind? Or are you buying pre ground. Sounds like it’s very fine? Cheers luke

[@JuliaJosephMusic]

I wish you had shown the coffee.

[@Chris-sf2cp]

So your steaming with dirty coffee water ? Also do you get any creama?

[@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters]

The coffee water is in the top, the bottom water is clean. As long as you don’t mess up the process it’s clean steam. It’s a stovetop so not really crema but a bit of a bubble

[@titomoura7014]

Hi, thank you for the video and time to explain how the coffee machine works. But I have a question in regards the proportion between water and coffee to make a expresso. How much water should I use to make a small basket 15g and medium 30g?? Thanks in advance.

[@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters]

You would use the lowest water setting for both, i found the water markings to be very generous

[@haroldhildenbrand4203]

I watched a review complaining about coffee getting into the water and burning during the milk steaming. Has anyone had this problem and what was he doing wrong?

[@sahanemmi2483]

Cok sevdim bu cihazi cok mantikli

[@damian_smith]

Thanks. A couple of questions: This seems to be a low-pressure, slower extraction than a traditional espresso. How did the coffee taste compared with, say, Moka and full espresso machine? Was it good? Did you get an acidic first cup and bitter second cup?

[@damian_smith]

Aeropress would be many people's current goto for travel - already from the steamer, how does it compare with that? Btw, I really enjoyed the "how it works" demo.

[@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters]

The steam is fantastic and so easy to do 2-4 cups! The first brew was tasting like a traditional moka pot. The rich Esprssso is going to take some fine dialing in, as it brews to the top chamber and the dial is just opening up the top chamber to dispense it. It’s not like Esprssso where the water is forced thru because we opened the tap

[@damian_smith]

@@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters oh that's interesting. So it's probably all brewed before the pressure is very high. Your target of 1 bar is just to allow you to steam the milk. Thanks - that's much clearer now!

[@dushk0]

@@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters what chamber? There's a valve at the end of the spout, doesn't really have a place to go until you open the valve. The inside is just one chamber, I wouldn't call the black spout filled with trapped air a chamber.

[@dorianblue4229]

@@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters the "is it comparable to an espresso vs moka brew/taste" is what i think many are wondering (thanks Damian Smith for having asked), i'm from Italy (hi) where we all have mokas, some still use the old-fashioned flipdrips (i do) but we lack a real cheap simple home espresso maker (as far as i know at least). Other than an expensive, electric, maintenance-needing machine. And espresso would be best for milk drinks. Apart from: different extraction, taste, crema, etc. Only options to my (little) knowing are: handpresso (bit like a bike pump); simple lever tool (can't remember the name but jamed hoffman reviewed and approved, they go by same prices as these there)... Your video is great, I'll watch more, however I'm still left wondering about the espresso vs moka thing. Honestly to have a moka-like brew, i might as well be better off with a simpler (and 3 times cheaper, or even less) moka and a milk frother. But it's the crema I'd like to have. It's not like a bar espresso, but apparently it does deliver a good amount of crema. Hmmm... lol

[@thijsdonk231]

Im backpacking through australia. Should i buy this or would it break easily?

[@kurtzFPV]

I don't think it would break easily but it is pretty heavy

[@skumpeter]

is it possible to use the CX25P just for steaming milk when you are cooking your coffee in an other machine?

[@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters]

Yes, you sure can, or you can just buy the seamer version

[@jackbailey619]

So what’s the coffee actually taste like? Comparable result to a fully fledged cafe machine?

[@keppela1]

Is this really espresso if it's not made with pressurized water?

[@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters]

It’s still pressure water, just not pumped pressure water. So various pressure is applied to the coffee puck. It’s a stovetop with a frother

[@keppela1]

@@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters Interesting. I wonder how many bars of pressure it uses. I think espresso makers typically use 9 bars. If it's significantly less than that, I'm not really sure you could consider that espresso.

[@sdufg]

you have to use the paper filter??

[@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters]

Yes it’s a better way to brew

[@brucesherborne408]

Nice little unit

[@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters]

Sure is!

[@stefanb8255]

Does anyone else notice the milk has a bit of a “taste” to it once you pull a shot? Kinda funky (not good) coffee taste to it. Does anyone steam before pulling a shot? Also, thx for the video!!

[@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters]

If you brew first with too much water it will go over the coffee basket and back down into the bottom again, this could be giving you the coffee taste. Use less water and extract all the water to espresso

[@stefanb8255]

@@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters Ok will try to extract more. I’ve been using 30G of coffee and filling up to the #3 marking while only pulling a couple ounce shot.

[@afrinsdietkitchen]

When to add sugar if one wants to?

[@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters]

Add it into the cup before you add in any espresso. Dissolve all sugars in the the cup first

[@BenLeigh-h8f]

Can never get the steamer to do enough for x 2 cups when using different milks eg soy, normal milk.

[@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters]

You should have plenty, if your filling it all the way up to 9 in the water remember you have less room for steam volume. It just put it back on the heat for a few seconds to bring it back up again.

[@tonygibbons5]

These look great! But seems you probably have to use a lot of coffee to achieve a decent result?

[@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters]

Yes the gram weight is high in the big basket, but you can use the smaller or medium basket adapter to adjust the coffee used, you would also reduce the water accordingly. With a little playing You can get it perfect for your desired out come

[@NamAir]

nice video, thank you!

[@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters]

Our pleasure 👍🏻

[@KettleCamping]

Great video! Thank you! 👍

[@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters]

Thanks for watching!

[@DawzeyJ]

So something I've been think about with this model and that I've definitely noticed with using the measure as to tamp - by creating a hole essentially around the central canal, it contributes toward channeling of water through the coffee, reducing the consistency of the flow out. What are your thoughts on this?

[@dushk0]

Yes, buy their tamper, make one or don't tamp.

[@williamedmonds711]

@@dushk0 thank God someone has common-sense.

[@jankuyper8353]

You're right on that one :-)))))

[@jankuyper8353]

I put a paper filter on top of the coffee and a thin rubber washer over the center bolt on top of the filter to prevent pressurized water shooting up the basket between the bolt and the basket tube ...that tapered rubber washer on the bolt hardly does anything

[@patkillalea3917]

I’ve got a fundamental question. You say that with the Bellman you can control the amount of coffee going into the cup. How is that different from pouring coffee out of a moka pot? I mean you just stop pouring from the moka when you’ve got enough. I’m trying to understand the whole coffee process as I await my Bellman to arrive.

[@patkillalea3917]

And another question. 65 degrees you say is the ideal temperature for the milk. But I don’t see any thermometer. It seems you might be getting the temperature judging by the foam?

[@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters]

You measure the temp from a thermometer in your milk. 65 is the sweetest temp of milk.

[@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters]

It’s similar in its brewing to a moka,?but you can’t just tip it up as it’s pressurised, so the tap allows you to start and stop the flow of the espresso

[@jimcole4151]

@@patkillalea3917 many experienced baristas simply approximate this with their hand, based on the feel of the outside of the jug.

[@jimcole4151]

With a typical moka pot, the water simply pushes up through the grounds whenever it reaches high enough pressure to do so. In that case, the actual Brew pressure is determined by how fine your grind is and how much coffee you put in. On this unit, the ability to control the flow of hot water through the grounds allows you to aim for a specific pressure range, and maintain that range by increasing or decreasing the flow. Hopefully you're enjoying creamy espresso from your machine by now!

[@jakobw135]

Are all surfaces of the Bellman that come into contact with coffee, liquid or steam - made of stainless steel? P.S. too bad you didn't show us your latte art. 😁

[@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters]

Yes and yes, and sorry i will remember to show this form now on.

[@johnmaniscalco8835]

How does this claim to make espresso if it’s not reaching 9 bars of pressure, or even close to it? Not trying to be mean, just curious! Cheers

[@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters]

It’s a stove top brewer and frother. Not sure they claim Esprssso, but it still forces water thru coffee at 2 bar, so it’s not an immersion brewer

[@johnmaniscalco8835]

@@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters I see, thank you!

[@77Cfriend]

Not really espresso shot- too watery , just a thicker moca brew and that's ok for what it is, Bellmans have been used for a long time just as milk steamers along with manual brewing methods.

[@DavidMartin-ck3rd]

Agree, appeared to have no crema but didn’t see the finished shot

[@damian_smith]

What grind does it take?

[@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters]

Esprssso is the best to try and get a rich flavour, or you can treat it the same as a stove top or moka pot

[@skyking9248]

Ur kidding. This is amazing Would have saved me a couple grand if I saw this sooner 😂😂

[@chandy-kane]

I need one :)

[@danmartinez9497]

Thanks for the review, looks very practical, but the hole in the center of the coffee basket was definitely a deal breaker.

[@wyldlibrarian3549]

Is Bellman suitable for induction stovetop?

[@HessianHunter]

He says just before the 7 minute mark that it works with induction. I believe the unit is stainless steel.

[@technocurry]

It apparently depends on certain stoves too, it doesnt work on mine but does on a friends

[@johnmichaelrichards]

Need a doughnut tamper!

[@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters]

Yes a good option

[@diotriton2]

There is not cream on top of coffee 😕

[@chrisnewman7281]

so I gather that this will not produce creama?

[@Namrog_477]

I have one of these and find it extremely wasteful of water

[@broombroombrandon6100]

im confused on how this is a review

[@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters]

How to use and enjoy

[@veganpotterthevegan]

Those two cups of espresso will taste significantly different. It would be much better to run the entire thing, then split it

[@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters]

Yes you can do this, it’s all brewed into the top chamber so they are already joined

[@dushk0]

7:16 it goes to one cup

[@tubee2b]

These type "espresso" pots will never produce the same output(true espresso) as a high pressure steam espresso machine. That said, if multiple cups are dispensed in one run, dispense it into a larger container and pour cups from it to have consistency across all cups. Whatever the taste, good or bad, will be consistent.

[@tasmanstrachan2110]

This isn’t a cafe - it’s coffee between friends and consistent should not be the goal. As previously stated the coffee is already brewed in the top chamber so they’ll be 90%+ the same anyway.

[@veganpotterthevegan]

@tasmanstrachan2110 90% isn't very close in the world of coffee and what if those two friends actually have discerning taste buds?🤣

[@silasketgaskets8709]

a fundamental mistake. getting the second shot of espresso using the same puck, a big no no and something you'd never do with an espresso machine. better to do double volume initial extraction and then split that shot into 2. in Italy using the same puck for another shot makes "aqua sucia" dirty water bellman was my first steamer some decades ago. i didn't get the CX25 as I already had a moka pot.

[@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters]

👍🏻

[@jP-nw7nm]

Shut up and drink it. You're welcome!

[@BenJamin-ou7kd]

It's the same shot !! He just stopped he flow, rethink

[@silasketgaskets8709]

@@BenJamin-ou7kd it doesn't work like that. just as when you pull a shot with a standard espresso machine you can see the initial stream dark then at a certain point it goes "blond" or gets lighter in color. this first shot tastes better than if you use the same puck to pull a second shot. this is why 2 shots are pulled simultaneously with a dual spout 2 shot portafilter. nothing to rethink it is well known for decades. class dismissed

[@liamlofthouse7324]

He put 50 grams in, more than enough for two pulls

[@__-pl3jg]

The word Espresso gets thrown around a lot these days.

[@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters]

True, it’s a stovetop with a great steamer

[@jaypee8768]

1-1.5 bar wont make espresso just overextracted coffee that'll be bitter and astringent.

[@PamBum28829]

7:49 hahaha... nobody gonna know

[@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters]

😬

[@gazza750]

Great way to show how not to make a flat white Reheating milk is a NONO it burns the natural sugars in the milk and makes the coffee taste like crap. Froth jug should have been emptied and rinsed before pouring more milk into it

[@MarkMphonoman]

That is not espresso. This is more like an old stove top percolator pot that basically boils the water and drips it over the coffee. Can’t imagine that a black cup of coffee from this pot would win any rewards. As a final mote, steamed milk will likely cover the taste of boiled, over extracted coffee. coffee.

[@officeroinks8823]

bro used the idubbz music lmao

[@diego.silveira]

Just buy a Bialetti

[@luvee8113]

Umm..

[@jamescrydeman540]

I find it too fiddly,too messy and too wasteful.

[@klens_cs2]

This drink has nothing to do with espresso...

[@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters]

It’s what they call it, so it’s a stovetop espresso maker because the water is pressured thru coffee.

[@klens_cs2]

@@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters It's prosumer level of Mokka )))

[@TheMITTE]

It's frustrating to be looking at the man speaking while the product isn't visible in the video. I would rather be looking at the espresso maker while hearing his voice or both at the same time.

[@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters]

Sorry mate not sure what you're talking about? The product was in view for the entire video.

[@molouk3000]

Do we have to paper filter every time