BELT DEFLECTION EXPLANATION AND HOW TO ADJUST! ALSO WHAT DOES WHAT INSIDE OUR CLUTCHES!

[@donaldmarcotte5223]

Great explanation of the working of the clutch, even if you familiar with clutches, Bruce brakes it it down even more. Great feeling having that knowledge just a phone call away. Once again, Bruce can setup your sled no matter what your riding skills are!

[@JESSEJAMES322]

Yes he can! Hes the man!

[@hermitrob5481]

Youngins don't know what an absolute gift this kind of brand specific visual information is. Can't tell how many do overs we had to do back in the day. If we could afford it that is. Just top notch gentleman.

[@JESSEJAMES322]

Thank you! trying our best to bring as much knowledge as possible!

[@hermitrob5481]

@@JESSEJAMES322 Its the little things. Like after setting the deflection and thinking "its to tight" and walking the viewer through how to yank it free so a proper determination can be made. Such a common overlooked small detail.

[@gunslinger8235]

Just received my snow checked 2023 XCR 850. First sled since my 1996 ZRT 800 Love your videos very helpful keep up the great work guys ✌️

[@JESSEJAMES322]

congrats youll be very happy! thanks for watching!

[@TheSaneRider]

Guy is a great teacher! New to snowmobiles and just did my first belt and had a little squeal going on at idle. Gonna get her all fixed tomorrow, thanks for posting!

[@JESSEJAMES322]

hes the best! Follow along for a ton of tech tips. Is your sled brand new?

[@TheSaneRider]

@@JESSEJAMES322 not a brand new sled but is a newer Indy. Adjusted the deflection correctly per the video and sled rips! No squeal either. Thanks a ton!

[@edwright3671]

Thanks Jesse and Bruce, this video made it very easy!!!! I appreciate all of your videos.

[@JESSEJAMES322]

Thanks Ed!!!

[@ramrox2460]

I really enjoyed clutching with the older system and they were simple and still very good secondary as they are. Great info Bruce as usual thanks for the videos Jesse it’s always good to be reminded of some things you already knew about but had forgotten over time so thanks a lot guys keep them rolling

[@JESSEJAMES322]

Thanks for the support and appreciation!

[@djg1028]

Very nice, couldn’t agree more. You always want your belt to be as tight as possible without hearing belt squeal and without the track spinning at idol. I always keep a 7/16 wrench and a 1/8 Allan with me at all times and check my belt deflection after every ride for best performance. A good way to check it is you want to be able to free spin the belt with your hands and have it take some effort. If you can free spin the belt with no effort the belt is too loose. If you can’t free spin the belt at all it’s too tight. It needs to take some effort. And then I take my dolly cart and elevate the track a little bit let the engine warm up, spin the track a few times and make sure the track is not spinning in the air at idle or it’s too tight and if it is just trying to spin it’s perfect. I think we will see that new automatic adjusting clutch that is on the boost make it to all the other Polaris sleds very soon, hopefully for model year 2023 otherwise definitely by model or 2024. Depends how many of the old clutches Polaris has left and how soon they can ramp up production of the new one.

[@JESSEJAMES322]

news one are for sure coming just dont know when!

[@djg1028]

@@JESSEJAMES322 I hope so. No reason not to bring it to the trail sleds and all sleds. Even arctic cat allready did haha they have an automatic clutch on their trail sleds for belt defection to always be perfect. The only thing you won’t see Polaris do is bring the quick drive 2.0 belt drive to the trail sleds. That is a mountain only specific thing as they need that to get traction and even then some mountain sleds are still chain case.

[@joestallbaum1593]

Thanks, I’ve been waiting for this one, there’s a lot of misinformation out there. Great video.

[@JESSEJAMES322]

A TON i agree there! Glad this helped!

[@chuckdonal2759]

WOW, I wish I saw this when we had snow, my new sled belt was slipping... I love the video!

[@JESSEJAMES322]

Hey Chuck! We have a tun of good info on the channel for you! What do you mean by the belt was slipping?

[@lobbyrobby]

Great stuff man. Everybody needs a friend like Bruce

[@JESSEJAMES322]

hes the best. very grateful for our relationship and friendship!

[@thirdgearboogie2210]

Good Work! I wasn't even aware that there was an adjustment for a primary, for proper belt engagement. How much adjustment does the primary allow? I have always just adjusted my secondary.

[@JESSEJAMES322]

well to properly set the primary you have to pull it all apart and set for your belt

[@adammcmahon7135]

Bruce is an awesome guy! He really knows hit shit! Great video! Very helpful for people that aren’t used to tinkering. Get your hands dirty people! Keep your machine running top notch!

[@JESSEJAMES322]

yes he is a wealth of knowledge thats for sure!! thanks for watching!

[@gymkhanadog]

Awesome explanation of a CVT and belt deflection to a life-long gearhead (and new snowmobiler); kinda literally. Always driven a manual car/truck, motorcycle, ATV. Never any CVT

[@JESSEJAMES322]

thank you!

[@sheddski2942]

Wow now that is something i allways EYE BALLED now i know how to actually do it right

[@JESSEJAMES322]

thats what we're here for!!

[@tomk3893]

Great explanation maybe you can help with the knowledge you have bruce. Why do the new clutches especially for side by sides not have deflection adjustments? The16 to current 1000 series ome with 100hp clunk on engagement what can be done to correct it?

[@JESSEJAMES322]

they dont have a deflection bolt because there is a bearing in the center of the primary which allows the belt to be as tight as possible all the time. look at more recent videos we actually touch on this topic again and show the new style clutches. the clunking i am unsure about it and would be tough to diagnose over the interweb!

[@andreww4885]

Again, great vid! Very helpful! I will adjust my belt tomorrow. I already have 700 miles on it 😳. Should have been done it 500 miles ago

[@JESSEJAMES322]

Oh yes you will be WAY out of adjustment!

[@jeffreytodaro5269]

Thank you, for the great info on how to adjust belt deflection, my first time owning a sled 08 polaris trail touring 550!

[@JESSEJAMES322]

Thanks for following along!

[@colindavid9984]

Great video, I think Bruce is a great addition to the channel. I have a 18 skidoo mxz 600 in the xs chassis and I know you have some experience with that chassis, and I would like to clutch it more aggressive, not as aggressive as a race sled but close. What would I do, add stiffer spring to the primary and lighter wheights? I'm 14 and want to learn the ins and outs of this stuff

[@JESSEJAMES322]

I would recommend a clutch kit from someone. I am not super familar with thise trail sleds. Race sled yes but not the trail stuff. Checkl out straightline performance. BONADUCE2022 at checkout in the promo code will save you some $$

[@ryanxcr800]

I'll say the polaris weight bushings let go fast and weights tend to touch the spider plus the secondary bushings wear out fast...

[@JESSEJAMES322]

we see the weights touch the spider but dont really see the other issues you mentioned

[@ryanxcr800]

@@JESSEJAMES322 oh I worked at the dealer long enough the secondary bushings wear way too fast... changed many with 1000miles

[@JESSEJAMES322]

Have you get entered in the channel giveaway? you could win a set of C&A skis, Woodys carbides, Woodys studs, Rox Speed FX hand guards and a $200 gift card to Southside!! anything purchased off 322threads.com gets you entered!

[@Growerman211]

U said it brother! 👏 i don't care how fast it goes on the lake u can strap a chimp on a sled and rubber band the throttle on the lake it takes no skills! I like to get across the lakes just as fast as possible but I want it rocket 🚀 fast and fun from corner to corner and thru the corner!

[@JESSEJAMES322]

yessiR!!!

[@rudyryberg4068]

Great video! Thanks for making me a better snowmobile rider!

[@JESSEJAMES322]

a more educated rider!

[@toptriode]

Thanks for uploading this informative video! At 20:10 Bruce shows excessive side to side gap between belt and primary sheaves. He mentions shimming to eliminate that gap. Can you point me to a video or page explaining how to do that? Thank you!

[@JESSEJAMES322]

that video we do not have unfortunately. need some specialty tools to get it done which is why i never did a video but i will have to get with him to go over that

[@mr.volleyball13]

Enjoy the content . Jesse I just adjusted my belt deflection after getting a new clutch kit installed. Set screw came loose ony first ride so shop much not have fully tightened it. Noticed my secondary clutch has some back and forth movement. That normal for a Polaris?

[@JESSEJAMES322]

yes that is normal for Polaris

[@mr.volleyball13]

@@JESSEJAMES322 ok great. Thank you for letting me know.

[@allensnook7760]

Question can i put a reverse from a polaris 1990s 500 into a 1990 polaris 400 indy?also a starter from same yrs?snooky pa.noticed the 400 block has mounts for what i would assume is for a starter and 500 primary depending on model has starter ring on primary clutches.just have to source the stuff off e-bay.snooky pa💥👍🤪🤟💥

[@JESSEJAMES322]

i do not have the slightest clue my man. that is well befire my time

[@maxmartz4665]

Great video. Tech is the same as 50 years ago or more. New clutches are smoother and belts are way better. Used to be lucky to get 500 ditch banging miles before the belt shredded.

[@JESSEJAMES322]

It has been the same for a very long time but people are still misinformed very very often so we wanted to touch on all of It

[@twadam5218]

Nice video, good way to break it down in simple terms.

[@JESSEJAMES322]

glad it helped! We knew we needed to make it as simple as possible!

[@craigcullen2565]

Another great and informative video. Thanks Jessie

[@JESSEJAMES322]

Thank you!!

[@youareright5431]

When did you shoot this video? Up riding in old forge it's awesome up here trails are suprisingly good! But it's seriously cold!! Getting ready to ride again tomorrow went to big moose tonight 👍👍

[@JESSEJAMES322]

This was shot weeks ago actually! I am up on the hill still. Thinking about riding to brantingham tomoorrow around 3

[@youareright5431]

@@JESSEJAMES322 Have you ever asked Bruce about that ethanol/ non ethanol deal with the 850s? I just leave it in ethanol mode and run good gas but when the weather is cold every once in a while you can hear a little detonation ,I haven't set a code or anything but I definitely hear it , How was the Hill? Trails we're actually pretty decent here? We have a trip to tug 25/28th I hope we get some more snow before than!!Have a great one 👍👍

[@snostm]

I really hope Polaris puts the new P-22 primary clutch on the trail sleds for MY23. I would Consider ordering one to try on my 22 that is if I ever get it. LOL Although there is not a lot clutch weights available for the P22 yet so would be hard to tune. Keep up the great content Jesse.

[@JESSEJAMES322]

id assume it is coming soon! Thanks for following

[@whiskeytango6706]

How much side to side play should be on the secondary? On the rmk. I have about .050 inches. Just curious. Great vids! Those custom paint jobs are sic!

[@JESSEJAMES322]

Yes thats fine. They all have some play! And thank you!

[@goodboyringo9716]

Nice video info about clutches and it got me thinking that it would be nice to have a new system with gears and shifting. Not so much the driver shifting but a system that uses gears and shifts like an automatic trans doing away with the type of clutch and belt that has been with us forever.

[@JESSEJAMES322]

would completely change the game!!! But I do agree It would be cool!

[@jeremy7923]

Love the videos, watch them all. But please please get a quality microphone!

[@JESSEJAMES322]

I finially figured out my audio issue. As ive said in a ton of videos we recorded a handful at once and I didnt realize until I was editing them that audio was all messed up. I tried my best to make them better but I know they arent great. But wasnt going to not post them

[@dirtrider88]

18:55 so a sled WILL NOT go as fast in reverse as it does in forward?

[@JESSEJAMES322]

You should try and let me know

[@bigmurph1447]

I will have to check my belt. I put 50miles on my new sled today finally

[@JESSEJAMES322]

youll probably need an adjustment!

[@PaulLower-t3r]

Excellent video, thank you, exactly what I.

[@JESSEJAMES322]

thank you! we have an updated video coming out soon and with better audio!

[@carlatamanczyk3891]

I like to scrub my new belts with soap and water to remove the manufacture mold release residue.

[@JESSEJAMES322]

i like too as well but that is a VERY controversal topic so i opted to not bring it up!

[@brianbulson5083]

Awesome video ! Keep em coming !

[@JESSEJAMES322]

Thank you!

[@MrJeffyb69]

Great video as usual! This is perfect timing as I just put a new belt on my 2016 ZR 8000 which has the same BOSS secondary as the Polaris (different primary). I've never done belt deflection before so this will definitely help. I'm just curious, what Bruce was talking about @20:13 with the slop in the primary, would that cause my clutches to clunk when leaving from a dead stop (being too loose)? My sled has been doing this for as long as I've owned it (4200 miles now), but my buddy's sled (the exact same sled) does not clunk and engages @ roughly 300-400 rpm lower, his is very smooth. I just don't get it?? Ask Obe one Bruce kanobi for me :-)

[@JESSEJAMES322]

you two both have different ramps id assume. That will change that and also there may be different springs. Many many many variables

[@MrJeffyb69]

@@JESSEJAMES322 I'm not sure what ramps are? We both have 2016 AC ZR8000 137" Limited's, same clutches. The only difference was the belt. I think he's running the stock AC belt and I was running a Gates. I'm currently running an Ultimax XS which appears to be slightly wider than the Gates I just took off ( could be that the gates is worn that bad?) The clunking doesn't seem as bad now with the new belt. So I was thinking what Bruce was saying about the slack in the primary could be the issue? I didn't realize there were shims in the primary ? Thanks :-)

[@JESSEJAMES322]

all this info was in this video

[@brandonminick9310]

Mine doesn't have the adjustment nut and set screw in that hole. 22 vr1 boost. How do I adjust mine?

[@TheRedpete379]

Good video just ordered my C&A pro skies 👌

[@JESSEJAMES322]

There ya go!!

[@topJimmyP1984]

What brand snap ring pliers do you use or where can I get a good set? Always have issues with the cir clip rings.

[@JESSEJAMES322]

i had to get a set of snap on ones so i dont have an issue anymore

[@topJimmyP1984]

@JESSEJAMES322 thanks for the reply and all the helpful, knowledgeable videos!

[@user-ji2vk5ti9m]

What about clutching for altitude ?

[@JESSEJAMES322]

are you asking how to clutch for altitude?

[@jacksyltie2614]

You should have Bruce do some race sled set up content, would love to see the behind the scenes of prepping a race sled.

[@JESSEJAMES322]

ive been wanting too just been so busy with the trail stuff!

[@barefootbob1269]

Hi Jesse. I have a question that has nothing to do with you're video. I am out of options with my dealer so going to throw it at you for some ideas. My rx1 is making a weird noise that I am unable to locate. It is what I will call a clacking sound much like a snow cat. It is only doing it at slow speed and seems to go away with just a bit of speed. I have carefully inspected the track for correct adjustment and any damage and found none. All drive cogs appear fine and all idler wheels turn free. Any thoughts would be very much appreciated. Thanks in advance for any help.

[@JESSEJAMES322]

chain case??

[@barefootbob1269]

@@JESSEJAMES322 Thanks Jesse for the response. I may have found it by accident this morning. Changed the belt found slight flat spot in old one. Took it for a test ride noise seems to be gone. That doesn't seem possible but keeping fingers crossed. The noise did seem to be the clutch side vs chain side. Will let you know after weekend. Thanks again!

[@mikedaigle9781]

Really helpful 👌 thank you

[@JESSEJAMES322]

thanks for wathcing!

[@21crookedstick]

Not sure why Polaris doesnt put the allen key on the end of its clutch tool like ski doo. Good info, lots of folks never look at this stuff.

[@JESSEJAMES322]

i never understood that either honestly! something i should have made!

[@mikemyers1516]

I almost feel like I know a thing or two after watching you and Bruce! 😆 ....1200 Miles on my new 850 and I just checked my belt.....ummmmm deflection detected...LOTS!!! Did You change plugs after your break in period??? Sled seems "OFF" today..we are back in Wisconsin and it's running shitty. .throttle response is sluggish...Maybe plugs or shitty gas!!! Not sure??

[@JESSEJAMES322]

check fuel settings. may have jumped fuel modes. guarantee thats it

[@mikemyers1516]

@@JESSEJAMES322 thank you!!!!

[@JESSEJAMES322]

let me know if i was right!!

[@mikemyers1516]

@@JESSEJAMES322 will do

[@MontexansHomestead]

Would the same scenario go for a 2022 Polaris ranger xp 1000 crew?

[@JESSEJAMES322]

i am not sure. I think they have a different clutch with a self adjusting system

[@dirtrider88]

so should all belts be set at 1/8th inch of deflection

[@JESSEJAMES322]

Check the owners manual for detailed specs on your sled

[@TheMapleleafs21]

Hey Jesse, just wondering if you can help me diagnose what’s going on with my Polaris iq shift 600

[@TheMapleleafs21]

kzbin.infoGTrZQf7DNCQ?si=ZC0-MKu2FckPmFju

[@JESSEJAMES322]

can try

[@TheMapleleafs21]

@@JESSEJAMES322 kzbin.infoGTrZQf7DNCQ?si=sClwlUgDT1oWw3vC if you don’t mind, skidoo has a whining sound, might be hard to hear, I was thinking belt too tight maybe

[@adammack4772]

Yet another great video

[@JESSEJAMES322]

Thank you!!

[@dougwilliamson3927]

That was a awesome video. Glad to see you do one like this. Thanks again. Keep them going.

[@JESSEJAMES322]

I knew alot of people would enjoy this!

[@ar14545]

Ive always wondered why the belts are ribbed when everything in the clutches is smooth.

[@JESSEJAMES322]

not sure. The sides of the belt that run along the clutches are smooth but idk why the tops and bottoms are ribbed

[@12dj6]

Massively increases flexibility of the belt, around the primary in the beginning it is a very small diameter circle it needs to stretch around. If the belt was solid the engine would need to use a whole bunch of power to curl the belt

[@TheJrschaefer]

Dude. Let’s get some riding in man. The tech tips are good to a point with your guy Bruce, but let’s see some riding footage

[@JESSEJAMES322]

I just got my sled haha. next handfull of videos will be riding and such. Cant do riding videos without a sled or snow but now I have both

[@Hammerback0]

Same principal for a polaris ATV?

[@JESSEJAMES322]

some have the P22 clutch which you do not need to adjust deflection

[@odiethesledandcarguy9884]

Awesome video

[@JESSEJAMES322]

Thank you!

[@runpuppyfpv5744]

Can i ask some advice ?

[@JESSEJAMES322]

sure can

[@runpuppyfpv5744]

@@JESSEJAMES322 well I'm having issues with a belt drive I'm sure your familiar with the setup I will send a link to a short video

[@runpuppyfpv5744]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/iKm8imaqfbVmgpYsi=N0iHnWOs9i-LygRn

[@runpuppyfpv5744]

Also the belt is loose compared to yours on the video I think it could be the wrong belt the deflection on the drive pulley is all the way in the belt is just barely sticking above the outer lip

[@JESSEJAMES322]

well definitely check to see if its the right belt. thats number 1

[@jimmesc]

It used to be how many belts per year. Now it's how many years per belt.

[@JESSEJAMES322]

very true! Ive tried to break these belts... I have failed hahah

[@lucille4931]

Awesome info, thanks for the Laymans terms! Haha

[@JESSEJAMES322]

have to make it simple for everyone. Its easier that way! Even us!

[@coryroot]

This is gold

[@JESSEJAMES322]

some think it is! Others argue

[@Grabberyellow5.0]

My belt sticks up alot and lots of deflection is this bad

[@JESSEJAMES322]

im not 100% sure what you mean but if there is alot of deflection It needs to be adjusted

[@Grabberyellow5.0]

Belt on secondary is all ready above spool

[@JESSEJAMES322]

is It adjusted like this video explains? just because its above doesnt mean It correct

[@Grabberyellow5.0]

Definitely not like video so I will make proper adjustments soon and keep you posted thanks again

[@adampallett8000]

Great video! For the love of… get yourself and Bruce a mic!!

[@JESSEJAMES322]

I finially figured out my audio issue. As ive said in a ton of videos we recorded a handful at once and I didnt realize until I was editing them that audio was all messed up. I tried my best to make them better but I know they arent great. But wasnt going to not post them

[@jonathanbjrklund8851]

That microphone needs to be repositioned😮

[@JESSEJAMES322]

We had a phone issue

[@stanleybennett8879]

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[@JESSEJAMES322]

thank you

[@dirtrider88]

i have never heard someone who knows so much refer to the secondary clutch as "the back clutch"

[@JESSEJAMES322]

Makes It easier for all viewers to understand. But he’s ms

[@tianjohan4633]

Dude, don't put a graphic saying you audio is xucked. Just fix it, even a voice over is better then bad audio

[@JESSEJAMES322]

I live 4 hours away from Bruce. Wasn’t going to redo It. Don’t know how to fix It so It is what It is

[@swoop-it4621]

I noticed one of my 2020 850’s were kinda whinning Thursday. Would that mean my belt needs tightened?

[@JESSEJAMES322]

really hard to tell without riding it. have you tightened teh chain?

[@swoop-it4621]

@@JESSEJAMES322 no on the chain. It was definitely belt side. Im gonna go chx the belt deflection asap. Thx

[@JESSEJAMES322]

Have you get entered in the channel giveaway? you could win a set of C&A skis, Woodys carbides, Woodys studs, Rox Speed FX hand guards and a $200 gift card to Southside!! anything purchased off 322threads.com gets you entered!