Bent is back!!! Type 81M review Variant 3, T81 Underfolder. Read below.

[@JamesRumas3DArtist]

I got both options because I wasn't sure if I would like the underfolder, but like you it is now my favourite.

[@gnutzguy]

good to hear.

[@ziggyz2958]

Is it possible to shoot the underfolder accurately? To me it looks like it would be hard to get a consistent site picture.

[@streetfreak]

@@ziggyz2958to me it’s more comfy to get sight picture on the under folder. The fixed stock version has an uncomfortable angle so I have to tilt my head a lot to get proper sight picture

[@ziggyz2958]

@streetfreak Can you shoot the underfolder with the same accuracy as the fixed? Also, was yours straight?

[@streetfreak]

@@ziggyz2958haven’t gotten a chance to shoot lately but I definitely do want to see if they shoot straight…

[@klinfield]

I really like your videos and appreciate the time and effort you put into them. Thank you very much!

[@gnutzguy]

thanks. took me a whole day and over a dozen takes. as you noticed im not a natural speaker and i dont like to read notes plus i couldnt wait 3 days for the utubes to authorize ads on my video so im not getting paid till they do. oh well for the public.

[@gcanada3005]

Agree this gentleman taught me about SKS. Now he's teaching me about Type 81

[@Canadianman762]

I sadly missed the boat on the fixed version. I hope they bring in more so I don’t have to pay a GP scalper $1000 extra.

[@MakaveliThaDonKilluminati]

It was scalped from day one i see it selling for 2500 everywhere on gunpost

[@LinDJack]

Would the Midwest ak mini dot optic mount fit on this underfolder? Thanks

[@GUNWAR13]

Rumour is june-july for next batch plus more mags

[@ryannorman8900]

Fuck the staplers. There will be more

[@P_M1337]

​@@LinDJackA guy is making adapters to fit Mid Ind furniture on 81's. look up Chinookarms

[@jimmydigriz362]

first off, thanks for the breadth of knowledge on Canadian firearms you've provided over the years. now for the sacrilege part: despite your affection for the underfolder, is there a chance you might make a video doing a full disassembly of the folding mechanism, to see if the back plate is removable, and basically whether it's possible to non-destructively remove the undefolder element from the rifle, and see if various Sigmaco stock adapters would fit on it. there are a lot of people who want the T81, but not the underfolder and since clearly TI brought far more of those models in, knowing whether stock could be replaced would make a big difference for many. either way, thank you for the informative videos. you've been upgrading these rifles long before there was Sigmaco or any custom Type 81 furniture for that matter, so I thought I'd ask if you would be willing to do a deep dive on the underfolder and the options of upgrade on it as well.

[@gnutzguy]

i havta stop you right there. the underfolder trunnion arent removeable but i have already done a vid on underfolder disassembly. kzbin.info/www/bejne/g6Gzepd8iLGIgsU

[@jimmydigriz362]

@@gnutzguy oh I see, so there is no way to change the stock on the underfolder then? remove just the folding mechanism/wire stock and the back plate and put in the Sigmaco adapter? I guess the trunnion itself is different eh, no space for adapter there?

[@gnutzguy]

nope, nada, nil bupkis, lol. nothing from sigmaco will work with underfolder.

[@jimmydigriz362]

@@gnutzguy thanks, appreciate the information. keep up the good work!

[@rhye_guy7717]

I've been binge watching your vids the last couple days and you've earned a sub!

[@gnutzguy]

Thanks.... You watched all 34 vids of T81? Then you deserved a medal 🥇, lol.

[@oscarpaz27]

Very ckever way to measure the deviation of the barrel. Tip of the hat to you Sir. Thank you.

[@gnutzguy]

thanks.

[@papermind4010]

A Type 81 SBR would change my life.

[@gnutzguy]

especially a krinkov.

[@lexus9337]

Im happy i got the underfolder its really good

[@gnutzguy]

so there are not bent undie out there, interesting.

[@lexus9337]

@gnutzguy yeah mine looks perfect 👌. I did not measure the deviation on this one though. I did with my previous SE that was bent at the rear trunion it turned out be well in spec. With this one i will probably simply use a laser level to pull a straight line from the front sight to the center of the red dot to see if it's close enough but looking from the rear trunion cleaning hole it's close to perfection

[@gnutzguy]

Lexus: looking thru the butt hole also works. Lol.

[@lexus9337]

@gnutzguy like you suggested it is indeed slightly bent to the right. But i really had to look for it and with the laser level it seems to be only a couple mm off at the middle of the red dot. So i think I will have to zero it and see how it changes the poi at different distances. I will measure the deviation properly to have a point of reference.

[@3DVIDEOSMurray]

I think Tactical Imports has the ability to make most of these from scratch now... or maybe they always have... idk. These M variants along with the SR provide good evidence to support the notion that these arnt just repurposed and modified LMGs. The forgings / castings are different, the tin work is different, the barrel profiles are different. The SRs front sight base has no cleaning rod retainer like the LMG and M. The M has a cleaning rod loop on its gas block that neither the LMG nor SR have. The Ms front trunnion is bored to accept a heavy barrel blank like the LMG and SR however it does not have the carry handle holes. Both the SR and the M have no barrel step to support the LMG bipod. And obviously the SR has a totally different gas port location and the required change to the gas system tin to accommodate that. Interesting stuff for a Type 81 enthusiast.

[@gnutzguy]

i never thought that bcos i've heard the LMG was commissioned by norinco (not polytech) who use a different factory which had no bent inspite of a longer barrel so obvious the M wasnt built in that LMG factory.

[@thomassimpson6901]

@@gnutzguyNorinco is the export organisation not an individual factory. Polytech is one of several factories which receive orders from Norinco which acts as a single point of contact for foreign purchasers to approach these companies. So all contracts will be commissioned by Norinco.

[@gnutzguy]

@@thomassimpson6901 you are wrong. Norinco and Polytech are both exporters. Both belongs to government but different wing. Example PLA or ministry of defense. They do not manufacture firearms. They commission the production of firearms with different factories. The Canadian importer has been dealing with Polytech and thru Polytech to a factory that builds for norinco.

[@JamesRumas3DArtist]

definitely interested in seeing more of this underfolder sks!

[@1991tommygun]

The only thing makes it 'sks like' is the short stroke gas piston. Its just as much an AK as it is an SKS

[@streetfreak]

@@1991tommyguni was referring to the actual custom under folder sks that he made haha

[@deltadelta5095]

Sweet lord that Snubby VZ must be a fire breathing dragon lol awesome gun and video.

[@gnutzguy]

yup, the fireball. no need to go to the beach or sun tan salon, lol.

[@mattmorrison9379]

Ah yes , the AK, sks mash up gun. That being said, I want one lol. But the are very expensive in the states and uber rare. Great video btw. Very informative.

[@gnutzguy]

nice to hear an american visited my site... thanks

[@The007astig]

I am planning to have one, Is it possible to remove the sight and the cleaning rod removed,

[@gnutzguy]

yes , same as SKS. the retaining cross pins can be troublesome. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eai3q3aom5mgrKc

[@The007astig]

Planning to install fake can suppressor,

[@gordtron]

hopefully they will do a run of underfolding buttstock with underfolding bayonet. just wish they had a stripper clip guide.

[@gnutzguy]

Noooooooo, not a fixed bayo.... its front heavy already.

[@skyliner004]

Great content as always!

[@gnutzguy]

Glad you think so!

[@ziggyz2958]

I was interested in one of these but I don't want to pay that much and then get a bent one. Or have to deal with the bs of trying to return it. Unfortunately, there are not a lot of options for canadians at this time. Is there any way to avoid getting event one in the first place?

[@gnutzguy]

yes, be patience for underfolder. for a fixed you are SOL. some underfolder owners will not like it and sell it at cost. just asked them if its bent

[@q07906]

Very interesting and informative video!

[@gnutzguy]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@ilovefreeski]

Great video, did you do anything on the cherry red t81 "se" furniture to make it look so good and shiny? i have some birchwood casey gun stock wax but have been debating using it.

[@gnutzguy]

nope, as is.

[@dantheman4751]

Thanks for the video. How does the deviation translate practically? Does it need to be compensated for some how?

[@gnutzguy]

@@dantheman4751 ya welcome. only if you use a scope. See description.

[@tehyeh]

Whats the LOP of the underfolder? is it alot longer?

[@gnutzguy]

@@tehyeh I'm positive I mentioned it. You must have skipped it, lol

[@realestateuploads176]

I got a type81m fixed and it is noticeably bent, disappointed and dont want it anymore, going to try and send it back.

[@gnutzguy]

I hear ya but they won't take it back without proof of the deviation test.

[@AthelstanKing]

​@@gnutzguythat's because so many people have become convinced that their gun is bent when in reality it's perfectly fine. No doubt some have issues, like TI said .05% of all previous rifles had the issue. One guy screaming out of 2000 makes everyone think the issue is universal. It's good they require proof or else theyd end up refunding perfectly fine rifles.

[@gnutzguy]

@@AthelstanKing you are wrong. The truth lies somewhere between universal and what importer says.

[@CODMONSTER4LIFE]

I have a compatibility question, do you know if the top cherry wood handguard from the type 81 SE SA would fit on a type81M the new one orange wood from this year? I would like to swap it easily and not see any gaps/shims / do any machining. I see you have many versions I’m hoping you might know!

[@gnutzguy]

that depends on whether you are talking about the woods on the upper or lower HG. on the upper all are interchangeable except the dragunov variant 2 also bare in mind the orange wood has a deep finger grove where as the red and blonde dont. on the lower, the red are not interchangeable with variant 2 and variant 3, only with variant 1.

[@CODMONSTER4LIFE]

Yeah I’m looking for an upper handguard for my orange M from this year, so for the red SA SE upper does the compatibility also extend to the metal piece it’s attached to? The metal part that goes over the gas block, I’m hoping I can go back and forth between these two without messing with rivets each time. Thanks!!!

[@gnutzguy]

@@CODMONSTER4LIFE red and orange uppers are interchangeable, both wood and metal.

[@CODMONSTER4LIFE]

@@gnutzguy exactly what I was looking for. You’re a savior friend!

[@louislavoie1238]

I'm buying a T81 underfolder. They are priced lower than most other T81. Will put underfolder on SKS for the ultimate ruck sack rifle. Then will fiddle around putting either a fixed stock or VZ58 side folder on the T81. Problems to my perfect plan?

[@gnutzguy]

when i first posted a vid on installing a underfolder on SKS, the problem was there werent enuff of AK underfolders in canada, plenty in the US. the T81 solves that problem. good plan, i wanna do the same vid but the only problem i see is how do you plug the large gapping holes (looks fugly) left by the underfolder? hoping for an upstart company to make an alloy adapter that will solve that problem, similar to the AK underfolder to M4 stock in the US.

[@louislavoie1238]

@@gnutzguy Yeah, I'll end up with holes to plug somehow. Cant be to fussy when youre broke hehe. I'll let you know how I go about it. My Bubba spirit is strong and I'm a toolmaker so I'll figure out something. Also, I'm in touch with NorthernArmoury on Gunpost he produce nice 3D printed stuff for the T81. Plenty of SR owners with buyers remorses to help too!

[@MrCheesypickles]

Are they noticeably more front heavy compared to the version ones with the pencil barrel?

[@eman2498]

I can only speak for the underfolder and the side folder - yes they are heavier in my opinion. Not a deal breaker for me.

[@gnutzguy]

totally agree.

[@ebblank468]

do you think It would be worth it to get rid of a french tickler for an underfolder 81m?

[@gnutzguy]

But the FT is only $500 while the UF is $1200 so there is no comparison.

[@legroston3]

I would like to cut down the barrel sleeve to original length; are you saying that would make the rifle restricted? I haven't measured everything but, the overall length should be fine. Love your channel. Truly a reference for the Canadian gun community. Thank you.

[@gnutzguy]

To my knowledge, you can't cut barrel to restricted. Best to consult with a gunsmith plus the bore is chrome so you need to be careful not to chip it around the muzzle then you need to crown it.

[@legroston3]

@gnutzguy I meant to cut the grenade launcher sleeve to the original 2-rings length plus add the longer ring at the muzzle. Maybe even the groove for the bayonet. I'd prefer not to mess with the barrel if possible. Of course, I would consult a gunsmith for the same reasons you mentioned. I also don't have a lot of the required tooling and would probably ruin the rifle if I did😅 Thanks for answering.

[@chinbb]

Tks for posting your reviews. How is the fit and finish of 81M compared to the LMG?

[@gnutzguy]

not as good . the LMG was the best (thus no bent) and you can get blued finish. this variant only comes in park.

[@chinbb]

@@gnutzguy sounded like you prefer blued rather phosphate... Any reasons why? For the looks?

[@gnutzguy]

@@chinbb yup. Prefer blued but park is more durable and cheaper to process. Somehow the M park still doesn't look as good as the lmg park. Weird,,?

[@chinbb]

@@gnutzguy I tend to agree. My blued LMG was built like a showpiece while my underfolder M looks like it was built on a Monday by some guy who had a hangover from the weekend.

[@gnutzguy]

@@chinbb lol

[@dougjudy2305]

Can you change the stock on the underfolder?

[@gnutzguy]

yup, you can but first you need to watch my underfolder disassembly (not easy) and secondly, you dont mind gapping holes left by the underfolder. some people are making 3d printed adapter that cover up the holes and attach a m4 tube but suspect it wouldnt last. needs to be made of alloy.

[@dougjudy2305]

@@gnutzguy thank you for your answer. most appreciated

[@es1ib]

Is this still allowed under Bill C-21 as an unrestricted rifle?

[@gnutzguy]

yup , thats why they are current on sale by dealers.

[@es1ib]

@@gnutzguy Thank you, but aren't you scared that they will change it to a restricted firearm, making it impossible to use it outside of a range/club?

[@gnutzguy]

im beyond scared, lol. i learned not to live in fear. the Liberals already banned half a dozen of my guns.

[@Michael-io8ge]

I'm new to these guns but does the bend even matter (other than aesthetics) if you are just shooting with the irons? I gather this barrel / receiver misalignment is somewhat common in mass produced military rifles.

[@gnutzguy]

if using iron sight or red dot on quad rail HG then no. it effect scope users so my deviation is 3mm. my bullet lands 30" off center. but we arent paying mass produced military rifles prices? at $1200 they should afford better QC.

[@Michael-io8ge]

@@gnutzguy I agree, I just wanted to understand what effect the issue had on accuracy, so I appreciate the reply.

[@lexus9337]

I was waiting for you to drop a vid on jt !

[@gnutzguy]

you know i was gonna, lol. next is the paracord the undie, lol.

[@molonlabe420]

Hello gnutz guy, do you know if any of the new minty chinese sks are pinned internally like on many russians and yugos? I hate the rivet look but would love one of the unissued ones

[@gnutzguy]

Lol. This is a T81 vid but to answer your question is no, all chinese mint sks has tiny rivet showing

[@molonlabe420]

​@gnutzguy LOL sorry just realized was watching a few of your vids. Thanks for the reply. I might try to source an extra magazine.

[@bigbadjohnpesek9894]

I dont think we can get these in the states...at least I've never seen them for sale here. That being said it reminds me of my vz58. Sleek, slender and just badass all over.

[@gnutzguy]

nope, chinese rifles has been banned since 1994.

[@evansaw293]

What models all had bends? The se is the only one I can think of

[@gnutzguy]

variant 1 & 3 had bent . none from variant 2.

[@evansaw293]

@@gnutzguy 1 was the blonde. 2 the lmg and 3 the se/folder? What is the SR?

[@mr211595]

The deviation is for horizontal bend . Is there a test for a vertical bend or does that matter ?

[@gnutzguy]

For T81? Yes , same test, very easy to test from the top but how do you verify the deviation from the bottom?

[@GUNWAR13]

Do any of the sigmaco mlok slots clear the hole in the underfolder stock for a foregrip when folded?

[@gnutzguy]

Unfortunately, my sigmaco is a gen 1 , it won't fit variant 2 and 3 T81

[@Grubbypanda666]

Watch out for a chip in the barrel just below the crown ....I had 3 separate replacements with the exact same issue in the exact same spot...tactical imports said it was a manufacturers issue....said they couldnt garuntee how many were like that.. seem ok with selling them to people though

[@gnutzguy]

lol. thanks for pointing that out altho this is the first time i've heard of it, nothing on CGN.

[@winstonholmes5566]

How precise are magnets stuck to the side of a stamped piece of steel and then also using a ruler that could have a bend in it ? I’m not saying you are wrong, but I wouldn’t be convinced it was bent using this method. And does it really do anything ? The barrel isn’t bent. It may not be perfect on the receiver but that could be on anything and i don’t think it matters much with a rifle that has both sites on the barrel. I could be wrong. I’m curious on someone else’s input.

[@gnutzguy]

i didnt finish reading your post bcos this is the method the warranty call for. ofcos there are other method but probably most owners could do this.

[@aaronpestano6921]

Hi! I got interested in the type 81s recently and order an underfolder on TI a couple days ago. Now, after reading through forums and watching your vids reg canted barrels, now im kinda worried. In your case you said it's

[@gnutzguy]

@@aaronpestano6921 a bent T81 only effect you if you use a scope, otherwise no issue. just not perfect.

[@aaronpestano6921]

thanks you so much for the clarification! much appreciated! this is the answer i was looking for. ​i thought it was something so critical that affects the overall functionality of the firearm especially, safety. my firearms knowledge is still limited and the info you provide and videos you do provide a wealth of knowledge. @gnutzguy

[@auntjemima247]

Can you do a tutorial on installing the new M-LOK HANDGUARD FOR TYPE 81 LMG?? That would be a big help!

[@gnutzguy]

Only if you live in Vancouver, I can install it for you. Otherwise, no, I can't afford it.

[@Gristle111]

You might want to look up the 1 in 60 rule. You need the distance between the 2 measuring points length to turn those mm into degrees. That being said.. that length would have to be less than 60mm which from your diagram is not the case.. Nice review as always!! :)

[@sadnessinside123]

Do you mind elaborating. I'm a bit nervous about the barrel bend situation.

[@gnutzguy]

Gristle: im guessin you didnt read the description. i made the correction there already. has nothing to do with degree. it was late and i was tired, i got confused, lol

[@mysticmac5555]

Is there anyway to fix the deviation (bend) or are we stuck with it? I wonder how much it affects accuracy.

[@gnutzguy]

@@mysticmac5555 stuck. No effect on accuracy, just sighting with scope.

[@mysticmac5555]

@@gnutzguy so it's better to use the iron sights instead?

[@LinDJack]

would the MI mini dot optic mount fit on the 81m underfolder? thanks

[@gnutzguy]

if its made for ak then no.

[@savvykavvy9507]

How do you remove the "grenade launcher" muzzle device?

[@gnutzguy]

link in the description.

[@superdupermax]

Someone did a break down and SR has different pinning on the barrel. Pins are further apart.

[@gnutzguy]

dragunov and clubfoot has bigger barrel blocks thus no bent.

[@superdupermax]

@@gnutzguy clubfoot 😂

[@gnutzguy]

yup the LMG

[@ShaneThrice]

you can also use a cartridge to adjust the gas.

[@gnutzguy]

Yup . I know , lol.

[@ShaneThrice]

@@gnutzguy yea I figured you did it was more for chat.

[@vitalyyazamir606]

Underfolder is awesome... except of the issue that you can't switch safety lever positions while buttstock is folded!

[@gnutzguy]

👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@christoto7y]

Is there a knowed way to try fixing the bent or its a way of life ?? I have an 2020 folding

[@gnutzguy]

Nothing

[@christoto7y]

@@gnutzguy rip

[@MKx01]

at 21 minutes you mention the future for the t81 and mentioned RESTRICTED. gosh, i would buy an "ak74U" aesthetic one so fast, just like i bought the "sniper riflle" aesthetic SR.

[@gnutzguy]

like i said, its following the same path the VZ58 had taken, i dont see why this would be any different. hint hint to the inporter, lol.

[@FronkG]

@@gnutzguy oh man I would love a SBR

[@superdupermax]

one problem i got with my folder is there no positive stop at the open position. i have to wiggle it. hope it get better with use

[@gnutzguy]

mine stop ok.

[@tweakohgy4471]

I really like the red wood variants but the m is the nicest so far

[@gnutzguy]

the red stain is to cover up the cheap wood and finishing is poorly done.

[@zhuravl-m2285]

Prefer my Type 81 SE still, but more options are always good, and I'd keep both

[@gnutzguy]

you mean more variants? yup, we need a T81 krinkov, lol

[@zhuravl-m2285]

@@gnutzguy That is precisely what we need next. And after that, a T81 PCC xD

[@prsee5969]

lol yo I’m totally an under folding fan boi as well lol heck I paid so much to just find an adapter for the vz58 to slap a folder on it lol I feel you dude!

[@gnutzguy]

we should start an underfolder fan club? lol.

[@prsee5969]

@@gnutzguy100% I would be in lol I’m also crazy for the dong lol😂 I had made a custom one for my compact, full wooden set (no stock) but the pistol grip, the small top hand guard and the bottom hand guard had sort of like a shark fin coming out that would grip your finger/hand real well. I’m still waiting for mine to arrive.

[@cristianx9581]

is the gas regulator similar to the russian Dragunov?

[@gnutzguy]

Nope, they did not copy any one. That's why it was allowed into Canada

[@ryaningham904]

For the deviation test- It would make more sense to measure to one side of the barrel (as in the side furthest from your straight edge, regardless of the side you measure). The way you do it does NOT correct for if you aren't exactly centred on the barrel with your marks (if you are 2mm to the left, then that side shows 2mm less and the other 2mm more). Great info though, thx.

[@gnutzguy]

Lol. I know what you mean but this is the procedure they recommend for warranty.

[@gnutzguy]

did you read the description?

[@CharlesConover]

That’s not available in USA?

[@gnutzguy]

nope, they banned firearms from china back in 1994.

[@aarontitusz8655]

I need a 556 type 81

[@gnutzguy]

yup, 308 wouldnt hurt either.

[@eman2498]

Yes!

[@aarontitusz8655]

Range friendly (non corrosive non steel core) 223/556 is just so much cheaper than 762x39

[@nicholasfrancoeur3897]

Worth it in your opinion ?

[@gnutzguy]

Every penny

[@nicklesacc1427]

I cant wait to get mine! I ordered it optioned out!

[@gnutzguy]

What does "optioned out" means?

[@mouthbreather280]

@@gnutzguy he means he got the mlok handguard variant, added a muzzle device, picked up extra mags and sling, and whatever else was available on the order screen when buying off TI. They had a couple options you could add on.

[@MrCheesypickles]

Is the gas regulator removable from the gas block/housing like on the other models? I've seen a few reports of people saying they can't remove them.

[@gnutzguy]

yes, same as other variants.

[@MrCheesypickles]

@@gnutzguy Thanks that what I thought. Those people must just not understand how to remove them.

[@captaincj2778]

Please be a hero and try to install an underfolder adapter to ar15 buffer tube stocks. We need to see if that works for us who didn’t get the chance to buy the fixed stock and don’t like underfolders like you loved them

[@gnutzguy]

sorry, i dont import parts for prohib.

[@captaincj2778]

@@gnutzguy sorry i’m not fluent in english i think you misunderstood me, i’m talking of the adapter to put a buffer tube style stock on the type 81 underfolder.

[@gnutzguy]

@@captaincj2778 no misunderstandings. The adapter is made for AK and AKM which are prohibited in Canada. We are not allowed to import any parts made for prohibited guns so it's risky purchase. It could be ceased by CBSA.

[@captaincj2778]

@@gnutzguy ooh okay, didn’t thought of that, it’s a damn shame i hope someone manufactured something in the near future

[@FronkG]

Mine has a canted gas block, stuck gas plug and piston dont even ride smoothly in the gas plug. My old SE did not have the issue. Man im heart broken

[@gnutzguy]

the import will replace it.

[@FronkG]

@@gnutzguy i hope so. The gas plug is literally stuck.

[@Maxiusmilianio]

The method to check if line is centred on the barrel doesn't seem right. In your example, if the line is drawn 2mm off centre to either side, the 2 measurements would still add up to 44mm.

[@gnutzguy]

correct. see third example and they do add up to 44mm. dont take the diagram as actual.

[@nicholasarnold8028]

Does anyone know if the sigmico gen 2 handguards fit the new type 81m?

[@gnutzguy]

Their web site says it fits lmg so it will fit the M also

[@nicholasarnold8028]

Ok thanks

[@ditchdigger9612]

I just got mine and measured using your method but with paint sticks cause I didn’t have magnet lol. Seems to be bang on ! Can’t wait to shoot and thanks for the video on checking the barrel

[@gnutzguy]

Ditch, glad to hear. Was yours a underfolder?

[@ditchdigger9612]

@@gnutzguy yes it’s a underfolder, I was never interested in the lmg or sr versions, and the folders were never available for a fair price. This one I’m very happy with

[@jluvs2ride]

VZ 58 with a stamped receiver.

[@gnutzguy]

Nope, no even close. the vz58 are completely different. vz58 has striker.

[@jluvs2ride]

@@gnutzguy yeah, the vz58 is striker fired.

[@nicholasarnold8028]

Does it fit the same aftermarket handguards as the other models?

[@gnutzguy]

which aftermarket HG?

[@nicholasarnold8028]

The Gen 2 Handguard from sigmico

[@hardstyle719]

Has anyone tried straightening the receiver ?

[@gnutzguy]

It's not the receiver nor the barrel, both are straight. It's at the barrel block, not something any of us should tackle. Best left for a gunsmith.

[@hardstyle719]

@@gnutzguy are there any negatives to this ? I thought it was the receiver because my side mount for the scope doesn't center and is way off, plus looking down the receiver it looks pushed out on the left side.

[@hardstyle719]

@@gnutzguy I was referring to my own gun btw but I'm guessing most barrel blocks are offset or is the block actually warped/bent?

[@gnutzguy]

@@hardstyle719 how much is yours deviated? If your receiver is actually bent then you would experience fail to feed and fail to eject.

[@gnutzguy]

@@hardstyle719 the problem lies with the short barrel blocks, no issue with the long barrel blocks used in the lmg and sr so don't know why they can't fix it?

[@mr.awesome8424]

I’ll take my 858 4v over one of these anyday!

[@gnutzguy]

lets change the govern first.

[@markcomisky7106]

It seems cheap is it worth it

[@gnutzguy]

every penny for the underfolder.

[@Mr.Rakija]

what thee lord almighty vz58 is that thing. muzzle flash city.

[@gnutzguy]

muzzle flash city?

[@CharlesConover]

We want fireballs

[@Mr.Rakija]

Charles knows. 🎉

[@gnutzguy]

@@Mr.Rakija if you said fireball , I would get it but WTH is city?

[@superdupermax]

Give me under folder for the sks... i need it.

[@gnutzguy]

lol. no way.

[@superdupermax]

@@gnutzguy i got xcr kit on my sks. Folding stock would fuck pretty good. Well... i want a triangle side folder

[@jalexandermt]

Because I like math I did it for yall Numbers rounded and going off 3mm over 18 inches. 50m shot puts your point of impact 0.7 inches over 100m shot puts your point of impact 1.4 inches over If your using the irons, the bent trunnion isn't an issue. If your using a receiver mounted scope sighted in at 50m your point of impact at 100m will be ½" off

[@gnutzguy]

your math is wrong. using basic math. 3mm= 18" 328mm= 50m (1968") 656mm= 100m (3937") .... 656mm is 25.8" not 1.4"

[@jalexandermt]

@@gnutzguy I redid my math. You're correct. It's a .4° angle. I somehow got lost and was going with .004

[@gnutzguy]

@@jalexandermt No worries. So can imagine my first rifle was 5.5 degree deviation. Almost hitting the next guy 🎯 target, lol. Joking

[@tarzanstrickland]

27:51 results

[@gnutzguy]

they wont warranty with deviation of less than 4mm. i got 3 so no result

[@tarzanstrickland]

@@gnutzguy 👍

[@johnjohnyjonock]

My fixed stock type m is bent also, so dissatisfied

[@gnutzguy]

What's the deviation?

[@johnjohnyjonock]

​@@gnutzguylet you know when I'm back in a couple of weeks

[@popemobile12]

I want a 5.56 version

[@gnutzguy]

me too, lol.

[@MM-kv8ly]

One of the biggest reasons that I have never bought one is the chance that it will be bent. That would drive me nuts!

[@gnutzguy]

but my love of underfolder over came my dislike for bent, lol

[@MrFunguy8739]

People are already selling them on gunpost💀

[@gnutzguy]

thats what free market means, lol.

[@phasmomancer]

Spending 1.5k On a rifle and having to do your own QC to see if its bent or not is a absolute joke.

[@stoop14]

I just canceled my order, I'm not supporting this scam company. Not to mention the non existent customer support or communication. Or 3 weeks and still no rifle shipped.

[@lexus9337]

@derweissewolfe348 i would accept it on a AK that's for sure.

[@johnjohnyjonock]

Maybe these are rejected guns from another contract and then TI buys them cheap and sells to us

[@WellDone150]

​@derweissewolfe348 the canadaguns reddit is both funny and disappointing rn. Someone received their t81 with no mag release😂

[@teddynaicker2997]

​@@johnjohnyjonockI get your point. It's a hit or miss kinda deal. But if you get the perfect one then it's a solid and reliable gun that eats and spits any ammo and built like a tank. These modern tactical version guns will break way before these beast.

[@MakaveliThaDonKilluminati]

why couldnt you wait to relese this lol it will be sold out in 10 minutes

[@Mr.Rakija]

Take the loan, jump on that boat. dont wait.

[@williamdevitt7866]

You say 3 degrees is that not 3m/m if so that gun would shoot like shit 3 m/m at the tube will be like how much off center at 100 yrds 30 feet just saying i was going to buy one of these but after seeing some videos on how they are off well they can keep them now that being said is it bent or is it just not centered in the trunion block oh and that vz58 what happened to that gun did you chop the barrel down and if you did um i sure the hell your not up here in CANADSTAN LIKE IAM because i am pretty sure the little thing would be classes as prohib in fact that would be um worse the chopping down an old side by side shot gun actually that would be good old rcmp bait i like my rpal to much to have that kind of gun

[@gnutzguy]

im guessin you didnt read the description. i made the correction there already. it was late and i was tired, i got confused, lol.

[@remicharbonneau9800]

these rifles are 200$ rifles, no way any african country is paying 1000$ a piece

[@gnutzguy]

Those China subsidized.

[@gnutzguy]

@@OBrienx666 VZ58 and it's prohibited a few years ago.

[@qianshuixiang4852]

thank you . now I dont want to buy🙃

[@gnutzguy]

but... but... but... you could be lucky, lol

[@qd3mt]

I learned a new word' deviation, thanks

[@gnutzguy]

lol.

[@romans883]

DOES ANYONE MAKE TACTICAL CHASSIS FOR TYPE 81 SR WITH PICATINNY RAIL ? MOUNTING OPTICS ON THIS GUN IS A NIGHTMARE !!!

[@gnutzguy]

@@romans883 I bought the Soviet scope for the dragunov but I haven't tried it yet.