benyamind - The Mirror | 22-EDO

[@Sevish]

I'm expecting big things from you if this track is anything to go by. Really impressive, well-produced and definitely xenharmonic. On first listen my expectations were subverted a few times, which is a good thing. I listened to it a bunch more times since then. Looking forward to hearing more! Thanks for the shout out too.

[@benyamind]

Cheers for reaching out, I'm glad you out of all people are enjoying it! This won't be the only xenharmonic piece, in the (near) future I'll have more to share. I'll stay tuned to your endeavors as well. Peace

[@notisac3149]

And to think the two of you would have a collab years later, blew my mind right there!

[@3zzzTyle]

Now that's some great microtonal shit. I like how, unlike many tracks out there, this melody isn't all over the weird jarring places, like a Powerpoint presentation for all the sounds you can't play in 12-EDO. It's actually harmonious and pleasing to the ear while still showing unique sound. This approach is what's really needed to draw more people into appreciating and composing in different tunings.

[@TheoShahh]

Completely agree! Microtonal music should branch out into more «subgenres»; I would probably pay to hear industry standard use and implementation of microtonality!

[@bhoenix3213]

​@@TheoShahhBroadway style xenharmonic music 👀

[@tomguder]

I just listen. Then I get used to it. Like to the sound of the frogs, birds and even some bats. I like it!

[@gawful44]

I'm so happy to discover Microtonal and Polychromatic music. Along with music and instruments centered around the Turkish region. This song is fantastic!

[@benyamind]

Same! All these different colors to experience. I'm half Turkish so I grew up exposed to the Turkish sound, only later to realize that from western perspective they use micro-tones. I'm experimenting quite a bit with microtonal stuff. Trying to stay in an harmonic core though, it cán get pretty freaky and weird quickly. Glad you enjoyed this! It's interesting to see how people respond to it.. because as the creator you gradually adapt to the colors and differences from standard tuning, but a first-time listener didn't have that whole process. Going to drop a new microtonal piece soon, stay tuned! Cheers.

[@TookTooMuch-bb6hu]

I love the very subtle sin bass

[@cactusowo1835]

Came again to listen and comment, i first listened to this in 2020, this gives me a powerful, really expanded the way I enjoy music. Also 5/4 is a good flavour, literally anything that contains it I automatically love it.

[@jan_harald]

if you say so ;P

[@Xotla]

This has such a great texture! I feel I can learn a lot from your music as a composer, so thank you. I love the polyrhythm with 3 groups of 5 on the piano against 3-3-4 on the drums, Mesmerising

[@benyamind]

Cheers man! Yeah the polyrhythms are interesting. It's like the piano spirals through the drums (if you were to visualize a 2d or 3d spiral). Atleast that's how my head flows with it haha. The drums do 3-3-4 indeed, the piano does 3 groups of 5 (triplets by itself) and then the bongos do a 5/4 rhythm through the thing. Really weird as a whole, but hey it works!

[@e8heterotic649]

I like this song. It's weird, in a good way. That's something nice about 22 EDO, it's alien but also "organic."

[@greatwavefan397]

22-EDO turns any instrument into magical glass.

[@henrikljungstrand2036]

@@greatwavefan397 Thinking about Glassic by Paul Erlich eh? 😉

[@thezetes]

You know I still listen to this music!

[@benyamind]

A blessing brother, hope life is good!

[@Protegit]

Its polyrhythmical, microtonal now just make it polytonal and we're home hahaha

[@benyamind]

wow! let's not get to crazy man!

[@febilogi]

@@benyamind 😂

[@AndyRoidEU]

Thank you. Among all the boring sameness of everyday music I found this. Have a nice day.

[@nicko-7749]

I don’t know why, but it reminds me of NiN/Trent Reznor’s work, real solid, loving it

[@MacacoDoSistema]

I especially like this song, stable harmony with a feeling of infinity, perfect for chill!

[@benyamind]

Thank you! It's pretty stable yes, it revolves a lot around root-fifth, and 22 has a pretty solid harmony spectrum to play with. Very alien but not too harsh.

[@EliotMini]

WHY TF DID YOU GET ONLY 4000 VIEWS ?? THIS IS ONE OF THE BEST MICROTONAL SONG I'VE HEARD SO FAR.

[@benyamind]

< 3

[@5StringTheory]

Wow! That sounds so incredible! Very peculiar and oddly satisfying.

[@tomassalvador9341]

Yep, that tasted purple 💜

[@balalaikabeginner]

This is probably the best 22 TET piece I've heard so far. It sounds really good!

[@yuyiya]

Some pleasant surprises, in the rhythyms as well as the harmonies. More, please!

[@sukopyramid]

Beautiful composition and great use of microtonality and its flavors! Masterful!

[@benyamind]

Thank you! Glad you dig it.

[@spacepiratehacker5464]

Very cool piece! Can I know what scale you are using for this? The description says you are using some sort of harmonic minor equivalent but could you be more specific? I love seeing people experiment with all kinds of new scales in unfamiliar tunings. Keep up the good work!

[@benyamind]

Thank you! I've opened up the project but it's been a while since I dove into the structures of this tune so I'm not quite sure what views I had on it. I seem to use a lot of the intervals in 22-edo and shift around a bit between modes.. I think. At that time it felt related to harmonic minor.

[@TylerKirk120]

This is pure genius in my opinion this is like nothing else I’ve heard, and the visuals I imagine in my mind from listening to it are something else 👀

[@benyamind]

I'm really grateful man thank you! Regarding visuals, I worked on this at night back then and I felt like an ancient wizard hacking the matrix man haha, that tonality really made me trip as if I found a lost scroll in a temple in an alien jungle.

[@JLMoriart]

I think this one is great!! Really tasteful =)

[@Mority90]

Excellent music!

[@martinzamoranomusic]

1:14 fantastic dramaturgy

[@tranquil_cove4884]

holy shit this is amazing

[@mitrofan2504]

I'm glad I found this

[@CarlsbadSGP2007]

Excellent

[@henrikljungstrand2036]

In my humble opinion you are an excellent musician, Ben! You really should try to make money on your music, provided you can find a non-corrupt small record label willing to market and promote your music, without trying to change your style.

[@benyamind]

I appreciate your kind words! I'm often thinking about my moves, that's why I started streaming too. I like to be free and feel free, and joy in music is most important for me atm, so we'll see...

[@politoons8776]

This one reminds me of phrygian dominant the most

[@feirceraven1249]

This time signature seems to be 3/4, followed by 3/4, followed by 4/4, or 10/4, depending on your view.

[@Lucius_Chiaraviglio]

If it weren't for the Western-European-sounding piano, this would sound like an introduction to a rain forest refuge.

[@bremlquan]

Yup

[@DjSamvy]

When making music like this do you just use a note on 12-EDO as the base and pitch it up or down or is there a more sophisticated way of making micro-tonal music? Sounds interesting for sure and honestly pretty damn good too.

[@benyamind]

Certain synths are micro-tuning friendly, and you can pick - for example - an equal temperament like 22-EDO. This maps out your midi-keyboard to 22 notes per octave and voila, you can make weird music. : ) Glad you like it!

[@Xandiyer]

Hi! There's a game called Project Arrythmia, a musical bullet hell. Players can upload custom levels, but we need permission from artists to use their songs. I'm wondering if we could use your songs in levels. The game IS payed for, but custom levels don't make any revenue.

[@benyamind]

Hi, thanks for reaching out! I'd be more than happy to discuss any projects over email (see bio).

[@microtonalmilio5233]

How do you know what chords to use? I can make 12 TET music easy because the chords are always in tune. I don’t know if the chords I pick in 22 are in tune.

[@benyamind]

When I made this song I was pretty new to microtonal music and tunings like 22-EDO. I remember just noodling around and being entranced by these otherworldly proportions to the sounds. When I make music in different tunings like 17/22/31 and more, I also like to know what cents/ratios I am working with. I like to reference everything back to 12, so I often still think of intervals as simply warped versions of the common intervals. I also strongly value the fifth. To me the fifth gives grip to all these alien tonalities. I'll always be looking for fifths in melody/harmony. That's why I tend to avoid tunings that don't represent the fifth well. With all this said, I still mostly go by ear. The more you make music - regardless of tuning - the more your ear gets fine-tuned in terms of harmony sensation. Hope this answers your question!

[@phlubblebubble]

Hey man what all synths did you use for this? I write microtonal stuff all the time but I can never get it to sound this *rich*, and I suspect a lot of it is just what I'm using.

[@benyamind]

A lot of my sounds come from libraries for the VST Kontakt. I made a tutorial on how to microtune in Kontakt: kzbin.info/www/bejne/epS6pZ98Z9p9ibs Here's a helpful list: en.xen.wiki/w/List_of_microtonal_software_plugins Thanks for reaching out. 🙏

[@phlubblebubble]

@@benyamind I suspected it was Kontakt, just based on sounds I've heard other people get out of it! I've been wanting to check that one out (beyond just the player version), but the price point of the full one has always made me hesitate a bit! I'll have to look into it. I'm usually happy with Surge and Dexed and ZynAddSubFx but there truly is an audible difference when you start messing with the professional plugins. Thanks for the quick reply and I'll check out your video.

[@lunyxappocalypse7071]

Reminds me of exploring the Nether in Minecraft.

[@janhundling4647]

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