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In today’s debate I end up in a heated discussion with a UC Berkeley student who defiantly tells me that he won’t give up eating chicken. The debate takes a series of strange and unusual turns and is filled with some very interesting arguments. How do you think it went?
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Ed Winters is a vegan educator, best-selling author, public speaker and content creator. Ed has spoken at over 1/3 of UK universities and at 6 Ivy league colleges, including as a guest lecturer at Harvard University in both 2019 and 2020. He has given speeches across the world, including at the University of Cambridge, EPFL, Google NYC and Google Zürich. In early 2019 he gave 2 TEDx talks, surpassing a total of 2 million views online. His speech “You Will Never Look at Your Life in the Same Way Again” has 35 million accumulative views online and has been given to thousands of students across UK universities.

[@ed.winters]

In today’s debate I end up in a heated discussion with a UC Berkeley student who defiantly tells me that he won’t give up eating chicken. The debate takes a series of strange and unusual turns and is filled with some very interesting arguments. How do you think it went? I.D.E.A. Studios launch collection is available now to order to your home! 🚀 weareideastudios.com - thank you so much for your support! 🌱 If you find my work at universities valuable, you can become a regular supporter or make a one-off contribution through the following links (thank you!): earthlinged.org/support & patreon.com/earthlinged 📚 Order my best-selling book This is Vegan Propaganda (& Other Lies the Meat Industry Tells You) here: earthlinged.org/orderbook 🎤 Organise a speech or presentation at your company/education establishment: earthlinged.org/contact

[@v.a.n.e.]

my apologies for this, perhaps, too private question. have materials of animal origin been used during your blepharoplasty? asking for a vegan friend.

[@Emperor-Inker]

Hi Ed, I'm a meat eater but a question I'd like an answer to if we stop eating meat would be what do we do with the animals that we have solely for eating (chickens, cows pigs etc) do we just let them be let them fend for themselves against the world. Keep them in captivity like a zoo. Also I'd like to hear your opinions on us humans having animals as pets as I'm sure you're aware of ethical points against us having pets. This is a open question to anyone who's a meat eater, vegetarian, or vegan.

[@markvega5036]

You are so pompous

[@mistygirl3995]

@@markvega5036 🤣😂pompous because necrivores have nothing else to say? Non-vegans have no valid arguments in this arena. Imagine being mocked and condemned for being compassionate to all living beings. Sacrilege, I say.

[@v.a.n.e.]

regarding your debate with this young gentleman, I must say that I felt sorry for you. you seem to be getting out of shape and not what you used to be. even your arguments are in some way flimsy and underdeveloped. actually, I was rooting for you. I always root for the underdog

[@BillyBoMagicShow]

Perfect example of someone that loves hating on vegans but lacks the intelligence to know why

[@pinholau]

This

[@user123bx]

Definitely this. 🙈 You can feel so bad that he just hates vegans 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@EldhoseJoseph]

He should have said, "I don't hate vegan, I hate it when they portray non vegans in bad light, a lesser being, and I will stick to be non vegetarian". He is right, just that he doesn't know how to put it into words.

[@EldhoseJoseph]

@@somad6997 just coz "some group or individuals, portray you in bad light, doesn't mean ur wrong/doing wrong and u should succumb". Bad argument. Black Americans were portrayed by white as inferior before the emancipation, if they heard someone like u, slavery will continue to be normalized (just extending ur dumb argument to a relatable example)

[@ARKSURVIVOR879]

you just described sound like someone at my school😂

[@Hikari7775]

I love how he apologizes for saying "shit" while telling Ed it's a-OK to kill a human lol

[@vietnamd0820]

Good point!

[@FruityHachi]

because religions bash people for cursing but killing a human is negotiable

[@alreadyvegan]

it was great when he apologised for saying shit, and then immediately said shit again

[@minimal-vegan]

😆🌱🖖🏼

[@AlistairCrooks44]

@@alreadyvegan Do you mean he said "shit", or he said shit? Because they both work!

[@triss23199]

Imagine thinking eating meat helps reduce the amount of farm animals. This dude is beyond oblivious to whats going on

[@niranjansinghdangi8397]

did we watch the same video? This boy toasted Ed

[@WarningBFG-isHiring]

@@niranjansinghdangi8397 I’m not a vegan but seeing you side with someone who’s bad faith and obtuse doesn’t make you look good.

[@fuxinferior2195]

@@niranjansinghdangi8397 "toasted" as in?

[@niranjansinghdangi8397]

@@fuxinferior2195 he exposed Ed and all of his lies. I'm eating chicken breast right now

[@fuxinferior2195]

@@niranjansinghdangi8397I have little interest in what you are eating. The fact that you assumed it makes any difference to me says more than enough....thanks all the same halfwit

[@joaquinvalenzuela2776]

"I play sports, I need my protein" 😂😂 Dude the Wimbledon final was between 2 vegans, and I dont think you play more sports than them. I would love to see Ed refering to this.💚

[@hesat6023]

True

[@manunited1235]

I didn’t know novak is a vegan

[@plastifiedmetal5682]

Vegans can be strong and healthy but they need to commit to a strict diet. Extremely hard. The average person wont be able to get all his nutrients without some sort of pills.

[@wannabeserpento99]

@@plastifiedmetal5682 Meat is not some magic that has all nutrients lol as you said it takes effort to have a "perfect diet", no matter what diet you eat you should take a supplement, you're not gonna overdose on vitamins because of it.

[@OnePieceFan2100]

@@plastifiedmetal5682 Its really not that hard. I became vegan from 1 day to another without any information prior to it. When something is missing you notice it and supplement it. Sure high performance athletes need a more controlled diet, but that is the same for omnivore athletes. There is no magic involved, if you are unsecure a 30 min KZbin Video answers all your questions. I really hope you don't consider that extremely hard.

[@suburbanhomestead]

This was like talking to a confused wall.

[@stevengarcia3233]

And somehow he got accepted to that school 🥴

[@janinmarquez-medina6265]

@@stevengarcia3233 Some people are really dedicated to learning and memorizing of the essential material to make it into the school. Doesnt mean they spend time understanding others, exploring their moral compass, opening ones mind to new concepts and ideas, etc.. Most people arent okay admitting their biases and confronting them. For a lot of people school was a lot of molding oneself to fit in groups.. basically a lot of "fitting in" and doing what you are told to do because youre expected to.

[@gritsteel3225]

@@stevengarcia3233 Worse! He got carried in. How can he see with his head so far up his arse? 💩

[@unbreakableldorado7723]

Ed's patience is out of this world..

[@beeeean]

Does being vegan automatically make you a good person because you made the more "moral" decision on reducing less animal suffering?

[@unbreakableldorado7723]

@@beeeean my comment was just regarding his patience. If you watch many videos of Ed, you see the insane disrespect, how many try to ridicule him or even insult or threaten.. But no, it doesn't automatically make you a better person. People are simply born into eating meat, and have no connection to the suffering industrial meat production causes. It's not about suddenly being a morally perfect person over night, but eating plant proteins instead reduces animal suffering and negative impacts for the planet tremendously.

[@bhaveshsharma510]

+1

[@Piigbigwig]

yeah he has so much patience. if I tried to do what earthling ed does id end up on the 6 o clock news

[@johnsinclair4621]

@@beeeean It definitely makes you better in regard to this decision.

[@Scrollupone]

This guy will be a “professional” in something in 4 yrs. Which is why you should always get multiple opinions.

[@Cowz19999]

Probably gender studies or some other BS.

[@jahverussell2642]

Exactly what I was thinking...😕

[@veganvanguard8273]

@@Cowz19999 Whats wrong with gender studies? Are you a STEMlord that believes sociology and the humanities are fake?

[@AmaraFerris]

Lmao

[@shivo4659]

This comment killed me

[@carrierider5700]

This guy apologizing for saying a swear word while explaining murder is okay if it feels good was really funny to me. 😂

[@gingerisvegan]

Exactly my thought 😂

[@Dhi_3]

Exactly

[@abhinavjain2985]

he still used the word immediately after tho

[@jdturkdrcox]

Murder is for premediated murder of another human you fool.

[@ginfizzz2895]

It’s not murder, abortion is

[@Dehibernation]

This guys' an example of why some people need a religious book to tell them "murder is bad" "don't steal" "rape is wrong". What an absolute psychopath.

[@pockydust3404]

LOOOOOL this comment is amazing!

[@anti-ethniccleansing465]

💯

[@angelocarantino4803]

Don't diss all of us because one religious person is an idiot. That's as bad as him generalizing about vegans. People love religion for various reasons, many of them valid, and whether religious or not this guy would be an idiot. Please stop insulting entire groups of people simply because you disagree with them.

[@VeganSemihCyprus33]

Ladies and gentlemen, here you can see the goal of the mass education system... Arrogant soulless robots to tear down the forests and holocaust life. The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 🔥

[@tamcon72]

Not a psychopath. People need to stop using this word reflexively. Some people are just stupid. Smart in a limited way, maybe, but basically stupid. Don't assume malice where intellectual laziness makes more sense.

[@stevenbridges]

It’s like… half the time in the video I’m gaining faith in the world from Ed’s patience and well put questions/arguments… And then I listen to the other guy. 😅

[@rasmus101ful]

Lol I used to watch your magic content back in the day. What's the chance I stumble upon you here

[@rasmus101ful]

Are you coming to vegan camp out?

[@TheHouseofFruits]

same here ...

[@stevenbridges]

@@rasmus101ful Small world eh! Probably not tbh, I'm not really a festival person. I like watching the talks online afterwards though

[@stevenbridges]

@Ryan Robinett Well if you've got some against Veganism arguments I'd love to hear them. Yet to hear anything convincing. And a lot of arguments reference poor quality studies.

[@kattihatt]

This guy is a perfect example of when a person cannot fathom his own stupidity.

[@JungleJoeVN]

That's an understatement 😀

[@shitlista4283]

Exactly, he might be one of the most stupid ones here

[@madnezz1961]

i'd like to know how he got into Berkley

[@T.H.E.]

It may be his first time encountering these arguments. They're hard to swallow(pun intended). Cut him some slack, he'll sleep on it.

[@shitlista4283]

@@T.H.E. it obviously wasn't his first time saying shitty arguments to vegans, like saying things like vegans are weak etc. A super ignorant and stupid bully. His interview is one of the worst on this channel.

[@pyrokenesis1855]

Wish people watch back their debate, realise how crazy their arguments are and how irrational they are

[@slavefreenow6106]

True.

[@nvmffs]

Don't think that would help in this guy's case... He literally says he doesn't know why he thinks something but he refuses to question it.

[@CynthiaCook-ow6su]

Was just thing the same...

[@Vindettacon]

Imagine failing to get a spot at a university because this guy got it instead.

[@adorable3817]

How does that work anyway? He lives in Africa and applied to go to an american University? Isn't that expensive?

[@ljamest3828]

Top comment!!

[@636theofthebeast8]

Hahahahah this comment is gold

[@iraidasantana6364]

I can't even imagine😂

[@TheSilverGate]

🔥🔥🔥

[@lahelalala]

"It's hard to win an argument with a smart person, but it's damn near impossible to win an argument with a stupid person." - Bill Murray

[@MathiasBacher]

Ed ed somehow still managed to do it 😂

[@theveganveteran]

OmG!!! I’m committing this to memory!! So true and I love me some Bill Murray…thanks for the laugh!😂 Like I said tho, maybe, just maybe, this guy went home and figured out how to do the right thing. I hope I’m not wrong…🧐

[@Ayte888]

That kid made my brain hurt.

[@hash3m535]

Shake your nose

[@beeeean]

The comments is just. He said something you don't agree about "let's attack him" thanks earthling ed. "He's a meat eater so that's ok because he enjoys making animals suffer"

[@Stargirl_-wz8ub]

I’m genuinely confused, how did he get into Berkeley? Why did they let him in? LOL. Yikes!

[@davidsheriff9274]

His family must have donated a building or something.

[@el29]

Why are you discriminating against stupid people ?. Whats next downsyndrom people ?. Discrimination you biggot...... I hope the left woke wont attack you =()

[@withgoddess7646]

He's a janitor...

[@Milonpepsi]

Because he is an immigrant

[@project77977]

@@withgoddess7646 😂🤣🤣🤣☠💀

[@mayvegan2488]

"Killing humans is wrong because they might help solve global worming". Signed, the smartest species. WTF?!!

[@janus2773]

could have even went down that line. "why is global warming bad?" i wonder what his answer would have been.

[@SevenEllen]

@@davidsheriff9274 Yes. We've just all been taught the lie that humans are superior just because we have thumbs and bigger brains.

[@shro_okee]

so the guy does not understand the correlation of climate change being partially worsened because of the meat and dairy industry? a university student everyone

[@catmatism]

It's actually humans causing global warming.

[@nvmffs]

@@shro_okee Not just any university but the one associated with the most awards and prizes out of all public universities.

[@vanshpuri8921]

"I'm obsessed so it's a necessity". Bruh I hope he doesn't use that to justify everything in his life because wtf

[@bizznick444joe7]

Gen Z are different. They're based as fuck

[@mareezy]

It's not Gen Z. It's this guy.

[@MrFooChops]

I'm feeling a tad bit un-easy knowing someone like this walks around in society

[@alienmapping3536]

Yeah the goverment should start doing morality tests on adults

[@maurice8180]

@@alienmapping3536 are you serious? 😂

[@friedrice207]

@@alienmapping3536 it's all fun and games until conservatives add christianity to the test...

[@alienmapping3536]

@@maurice8180 yeah why

[@JustinViola]

oh I think you would be unpleasantly surprised of the quantity of 'this kind of people' in society.

[@aleks0_o879]

19 minutes in, he's basically telling us he is willingful ignorant and doesn't have to question anything

[@rmac3217]

And he really likes chicken, have you tried chicken? It's so good though...

[@Beastmaster8698]

​@rmac3217 have you tried them without seasoning and spices or even cooking them? Bet you'd think otherwise if you did 🤡

[@Veena-c8y]

​@@rmac3217Have you scammed someone? The money's so goooddd

[@dt261]

He is making it up as he goes along. This is because he is internally conflicted and making excuses for his actions. Well done Ed for continuously bringing him back to the point at hand.

[@juliewake4585]

As usual Ed I an answer for everything he was throwing at him. And not much of what the guy was saying made any sense did it?

[@MrJavacash]

he's not conflicted, classic "omg u have cognitive dissonance!" hahah its just because he has a different opinion than you doesn't mean he's conflicted! He has his reasoning and facts

[@dt261]

@@juliewake4585 It was difficult to watch. I like to think that he will watch this back at some point and muse over his arguments.

[@Priority76]

@@MrJavacash "He has his...facts" but they weren't facts though were they?

[@juliewake4585]

@@dt261 he did seem very much to be “obsessed” with “his “ chicken.

[@starduster2829]

This guy was insufferable. I could even tell that Ed was struggling to take him seriously.

[@AB-cn1ly]

Ed could talk to a rock and still find a way to patiently wait for him to express his opinion

[@janeolsen3695]

@@pacmanmcgavin7034 these people choose to talk to Ed and make him look good lol

[@wwemj213]

@@pacmanmcgavin7034 while you're probably right to some extant these people decided to sit down all on their own no one made them do that.

[@Benjay1975]

@@pacmanmcgavin7034 he doesn't choose them they sit down randomly to talk with Ed.

[@leahfarrar7062]

@@pacmanmcgavin7034 Ed looks good *always* because there is no sufficient argument against veganism AND because he knows his shit. THAT’S why.

[@mara3842]

Guy: "Tofu is so boring. How can I eat tofu all the time." Also guy: "I eat chicken. I eat so much chicken. I eat chicken all the time."

[@jmai7679]

"Yeah you know chicken... you can cook it a 100 different ways."

[@WeirdSmellyMan]

that's because meat is tastier.

[@stephenh694]

There are definitely far more ways to cook chicken than tofu. I think he describes tofu as boring because chicken tastes so much better and can be flavourful.

[@thoughtfulpro371]

Chicken literally stinks and has no flavor without seasoning it with dried vegetable flakes (herbs) lol.

[@WeirdSmellyMan]

@@thoughtfulpro371 meat and vegetables are meant to compliment each other.

[@firstnamelastname5761]

How does this guy survive everyday life? Such extreme stupidity is scary beyond words.

[@nvmffs]

I imagine his answer would be "No clue whatsoever!".

[@eitanmagaliff9772]

“So that’s humane?” “Yep.” “What does humane mean?” “Not a clue.” 😂😂

[@devvyas6751]

I cracked up at this so much

[@planetcaravan2925]

@@devvyas6751 k

[@VeganSemihCyprus33]

Ladies and gentlemen, here you can see the goal of the mass education system... Arrogant soulless robots to tear down the forests and holocaust life. The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 🔥

[@mamadolce]

„Higher intelligence“ 😂😂😂

[@leilapotieva6671]

When he mentioned this hypothetical unhelpful chicken..."Dang you, chicken!" 😡

[@nicolaspirlet]

This guy is the real life impersonation of an internet troll

[@Sayydz]

He’s probably a redditor

[@CarnismDebunked]

100%. He is the reason I value animals over humans.

[@blacksuitedsonic]

This dude: "We are supposed to be the smartest species on the planet" I am not so sure of that after this video lol

[@Empathy4Animals411]

I was not so sure of that before this video either.

[@SeeNickView]

Boom roasted lol

[@llamatreee]

Meat eaters are, eating meat made our brains grow

[@blacksuitedsonic]

@@llamatreee okay? lets say that is actually true. Factory farming is still one of the biggest contributors to global warming and probably one of the easiest ones to fix (relatively speaking). It doesn't matter how big our brains grow when nature is eventually going to rip us apart because of climate change lol

[@llamatreee]

@@blacksuitedsonic I’m not obsessed with human driven climate change, I think it’s exaggerated for the purposes of taxation and to hamstring western economies. Anyway, without a global consensus we aren’t gonna make any kind of impact.

[@dharmendra722]

I am an India, Hindu and Vegan. I can confirm i have seen many of my relatives and friends who love meat try to justify it in the same way as this guy does. In short they have absolutely no clue but make random excuses by bringing in tradition, religion, and nutrition into it. Superb job Ed 👏👏👏 Your debate has inspired me to have a logical debate with any of my friend or relative if they try to justify it.

[@antman0719]

This is why I have been watching many of these debates by Ed and Joey Carbstrong recently as well as researching to solidify my point of view as well as the reasoning to why going vegan is a greater option on behalf of creatures upon our planet.

[@voiceforanimals8457]

I too am a hindu and a vegan and I think it is very easy to become a vegan in India...

[@voiceforanimals8457]

@plurabelle5 people expect reality to be according to their own comfort. People call vegans extreme when they show animal murder or corpses, but they fail to accept that they are the ones who are eating it.

[@WorldOfARandomVegan]

He is literally spewing so much nonsense. How can he have no idea what vegans might eat? He's running around in circles with such nonsense excuses.

[@youtuber-sl2xe]

I am also an Indian, Hindu and a Vegan. Cheers!

[@_b-e-n_]

My eyes have rolled to the back of my head after listening to this guy for 30 minutes. People like this are the reason we're screwed as a species and taking the rest of the world down with us

[@thefarmersvegandaughter1540]

You did well to get to 30 minutes, I was eye rolling at about 30 seconds!! 🤪

[@Vegan4Life_]

Wow I couldn't listen to any more than a few sentences, ugh..😞

[@Toadlorrrd]

I really really struggled with this video. 🤣

[@VeganSemihCyprus33]

Ladies and gentlemen, here you can see the goal of the mass education system... Arrogant soulless robots to tear down the forests and holocaust life. The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 🔥

[@janinmarquez-medina6265]

Justifying and saying its okay to rape, mutilate, murder because theres fun or food in it........ I immediately just thought he's a lost cause or a troll.

[@discursion]

This guy represents basically everything wrong with this world. (P.S. I don't mean this literally.)

[@MrBarry465]

Yep.

[@JustinViola]

couldn't have been said in a better way.

[@x-latetv-x6816]

Uc Berkeley is a woke shxt hole what can you expect

[@MrJavacash]

so like 99% of the world which isn't vegan is stupid and vegans a small minority are the ones who are sane and right? That sounds like a cool world for you but it's false my friend. Must make you feel special that you're leading the world and everyone else around u is inferior but it's fake news and quite selfish that you're just ridding people's arguments

[@marishasveganworld2240]

Precisely.

[@chipandchap100]

"A human could be potentially beneficial in solving global warming" Well, one of them is sitting right in front of you and you are arguing against him ...

[@eleni1615]

Exactly what I was thinking! The irony!

[@slavefreenow6106]

Irony at its finest.

[@helpfuliavids]

:D thank you!

[@hesat6023]

Wow this person is literally paying to increase global warming and he wants others to solve it…. How could someone be so hypocritical

[@elliotfowler654]

15:14 The look of ill-deserved confidence that every carnist gets when he thinks he’s about to ask, for the very first time in humanity, ‘do plants feel pain?’

[@jaquelyncaiello4569]

Hahahaha I love that look, when they think they are about to mic drop you with info they think you have never heard before. We have heard it all before. I've been vegan for over 8 years and I've heard every argument over and over in every iteration. They think they've gotten over on us, but it's just the same predictable cognitive dissonance.

[@withgoddess7646]

😂

[@henrikpetersson3463]

It is a valid argument though.

[@henrikpetersson3463]

@plurabelle5 The problem is that most vegans don't care about plants. How they are grown and how they and the soil they live in is treated. There is a lack of a wholistic perspective in the vegan movement. As long as it's not made of animals, it's ok. Anything else goes. Vegans put animals above plants, just as carnivores put humans above animals. They are not very much different in that sense.

[@bizznick444joe7]

The way Ed was defeated from that was enough to say. Want to bring up nervous system? Goal posts much? You're still taking a life. If I drug a person and kill him if he doesn't feel anything is that okay because he doesn't feel it? That's Ed's argument here.

[@Doubledex123]

Good to see Berkeley intake standards are so high.

[@gregsthrottle]

OOF, this was PAINFUL to watch. The sociopathy & narcissism is just SO BEYOND blatant, but I couldn’t look away lol. Great job as always, Ed !!!

[@DhruvPatel-zg1zs]

Wtf uc Berkeley is doing ? What are their admission criteria ? Critical thinking is ofcourse not one of them.

[@Sayydz]

@@DhruvPatel-zg1zs they saw his pic, saw the kid was brown and had an accent, the campus was trying to be more “inclusive” so they scooped him up. Lots of colleges are like that, pick you only because your a minority.

[@MrJavacash]

it's not sociopathy he's thinking logically vegans think with emotion get affected then start interpreting research incorrectly and selfishly invalidating other peoples arguments, learn something!

[@enyamontiel]

I think he's just blatantly stupid. It's ridiculous that he cannot even answer the most simple questions

[@Priority76]

@@Sayydz That's some nice racist hearsay you've got there.

[@eloisesophia947]

Imagine finding out this person got accepted into university and you didn’t 💀

[@beeeean]

Does being vegan automatically make you a good person because you made the more "moral" decision on reducing less animal suffering?

[@joaogomes850]

@@beeeean Well... A vegan can acknowledged animal suffering but maybe cannot acknowledge other moral problems hence not doing the moral choice for other things... So, it doesn't necessarily make you a good person, because "good" is difficult to define anyways. BUT, if you acknowledge any moral issue, not only the "killing animals for food wrong", but still keep making the "wrong" choice, it's up to you but... Do you personally see virtue in these choices?

[@joaogomes850]

@@beeeean So... If vegans say they are superior, well, they are being scumbags because nobody does everything "right" in society... But well, murder and rape is wrong so if you do it... Is it okay, is it nice?

[@nvmffs]

@@beeeean Who's talking about good and bad? The OP was putting into question how someone like this person could get accepted being as obtuse as he is but other smarter people can't.

[@sebastiaanpleij867]

Its ok, it just means he was better at regurgitating expected answers than you! 😂

[@QueenLumi]

The perfect example that you cannot study intelligence at university.

[@mackhomie6]

Sure you can. That's what universities are for, studying things.

[@Mrbrycejames]

@@mackhomie6True although I think maybe he meant you can’t fix stupid but I could be wrong

[@mackhomie6]

@@Mrbrycejames no, you're right, I was just being pedantic.

[@SpiritualLife-uz5nc]

​@@mackhomie6 what is the need for that? what point do you want to prove?

[@mackhomie6]

@@SpiritualLife-uz5nc the point is that you can quite literally study the subject of intelligence at a university. What he was trying to say is that you do not necessarily _become_ intelligent just by studying at a university, but you absolutely can study "intelligence" (in humans or animals) as a subject. Get it? That's why I said I was being pedantic. Because technically he is incorrect, but we both knew what he meant.

[@jesserogalski1402]

I'm twice this dude's size and never have to think about my portein intake while eating vegan. Ten years going.

[@SammieMousie]

I'm not. I'm a tiny petite woman, 5'0 and 110 lbs. But I do calisthenics and rock climbing. Pound for pound I'm stronger than a lot of people I come across. I put money that I can do more pull ups than this guy. The protein argument gets so tiring. I've been vegan 7 years now.

[@suicune2001]

@@SammieMousie Dang! I want to be like you. I'm 4'7 and 110 lbs. I need to get back to working out so I can get stronger and healthier and be a badass.

[@Chompchompyerded]

For me, it's life long. I'm old, and nearing the end of what would be an average American lifespan. That in spite of the fact that I suffered a severe disability from a drunk driver, and have had to face many of the problems that people with my disability have. You've gotta be getting a good amount of proper protein and many other nutrients to survive some of the things I've been confronted with, yet here I am. Taking it to the distance, and perhaps further. When I get invited to potluck dinners, I volunteer to bring the mains (not hard since everyone hates cooking mains and would rather bring a salad, pop, chips, or cookies bought at a bakery. I always take something vegan, and I always go home with an empty container and lots of requests for the recipe. When they find out how jaw droppingly easy and inexpensive whatever I've made is, I almost always have a shoe in the door. After the second time, when they know they're going to be satiated and not get hungry for a long time, I've got a convert, especially when they ask, "do you have more of those kind of recipes? They know I'm healthy even though my condition would suggest I shouldn't be, and they think that if I can make it in a little of no time that they almost certainly can too, and they're right. Even without fake meat vegan food can be better in all ways if you make the right things. You don't even have to evangelize. Let their tongues, tummies, bodies, and wallets do the evangelizing. The best way to convert people is to help them discover with their own direct experience how much better a way of life it is. You have a super in with college kids. Also, convert a lot of college women and you will have several generations won. It's the women who feed the kids, and in most homes it's the woman who decides what's on the man's menu. Teach women how to make vegan foods that will fill mens' needs and you'll really seal the deal. It's rarely hard to get women to eat vegan. If you can teach her how to make food that men will crave just as much as they crave meat, You'll have the ladies nocking down your door trying to get those magical recipes, especially if their quick, healthy, and inexpensive to make. I'll bet you anything he'd have made a convert out of the guy if, instead of trying to win and argument with the guy, he had have simply fed him something that he really liked and that left him craving nothing, then did it again the next week, and maybe one more week after that. Everyone wants to save money and feel better. Provide that for them and the rest will come right along. If no one is eating chicken, the chicken hell holes will dry up, and farmers will grow human feed instead of chicken feed, including the farmer who used to grow chickens.

[@TheOldBeef]

do you even lift bruh

[@Chompchompyerded]

@@SammieMousie I've been vegan all my life, and at 74. I'm not short on protein. I do make sure I get both rice and beans within a 48 hour period of time, and that seems to have covered it just fine. You don't get to be my age having had a healthy baby along the way by being anything deficient. Anyone who thinks that veganism is an unhealthy life choice doesn't know what they're talking about. It's baloney. But ya can't beat 'em by arguing with them. You get it across to them by feeding them really tasty, very healthy, inexpensive and easy to make vegan food. They eat it enough and like it most of the time, and they'll convert without an argument. They'll do it because they choose to, and that's the way to make a permanent convert. If vegan food is better and more satisfying in all ways, they won't want meat. Feed them food that ticks all the boxes and they'll give up meat. They'll have no reason to, and will on their own choose the better option. It honestly is that simple. I've done it. I've got ideas to share if anyone wants to commit their life to making a real change. It really can be done, and if enough people do it, we will eventually reach critical mass, and at that point most people will be vegan for all the right reasons, and the folks raising animals for meat will have to turn to more profitable ways of making a living. Instead of growing chicken feed, they'll grow people feed.

[@pamelapage8893]

This student is so clueless, thoughtless, selfish and morally reprehensible, with no cogent points to articulate, I can’t even listen to him. Ed, you were wonderful as always.

[@Maria-tm8jg]

The student should be on a watch list for real

[@taylordanielsen1465]

This. Very well said.

[@chrisx5127]

Vegan are so weird!

[@bizznick444joe7]

Not really Gen Z just doesn't deal with crap. Lot of this moral crap is from my pathetic generation. Gen Z is literally "another animal" entirely.

[@pixeljauntvr7774]

​@@bizznick444joe7Gen X has nothing to do with it. This guy is just stupid.

[@bhavikasicka7871]

Like him, I am a Hindu student at an American university. I'd like to inform him that we can eat daal, chawal, roti, sabjis, chilla, upma, poha, idli, vada, dosa, uttapam, papad, salads, vegan raitas, chutneys, chaats, pakodas, samosas, paani puri, jhaal muri, kachori, pav bhaji. He's making terrible excuses for his terrible obsession with carnism, which is 100% morally unjustifiable in his case.

[@hayleyk2960]

He manages to get into and attend a university halfway across the world but can't manage to find meat free options despite apparently eating them 3 days a week for his whole life?

[@lunascorpius1458]

@@hayleyk2960 Well, it’s something he may have never been interested in. Before I went vegan, I had no idea what vegans or even vegetarians ate. Thus, he most likely never researched it because he liked meat too much. 😏

[@krisyafaust5100]

Thanks for this perspective, it is an important one.

[@gritsteel3225]

Unbelievable! You made me hungry🤤

[@SevenEllen]

I just Google imaged every food item you just listed that I've not had before and I want every single one. 8-) I've had salad, chutney, and daal but didn't know the names of the others. They all look great!

[@knick5218]

That Ed could stay calm throughout all of these 28 minutes is ultimate proof that he is the gigachad of all vegans. I have such an unbelievably high amount of respect for him.

[@AdamIsMyNameO]

The fact that these people get into college baffles me

[@CarnismDebunked]

Haha welcome to modern America!

[@MrJavacash]

not a good argument my friend. College just brainwashes you in many ways. Why do you think colleges support veganism and all other leftists and modern liberal agendas?

[@AdamIsMyNameO]

@@MrJavacash …what? Your comment is not relevant at all. The person in this video claimed he had a lifetime of cultural conditioning… and this is a highly liberal school…

[@llamatreee]

Non whites/East Asians get into university easily.

[@JohnSmith-lk8cy]

Its case of bums on seats. Anyone can get in these days.

[@JoelTrollGaming]

A clear case of someone being unable to admit that their argument is wrong, while inadvertently admitting it later on when the discussion takes a different path. Ed did a wonderful job revealing how this guy’s views kept becoming contradictory

[@Sal3600]

The moral implication regarding animals is not worth giving up the juicy steak. And if you do give up the meat, i assure you, you're still a shit human. Over population isn't a thing. All weak arguments.

[@johnzackarias11]

@@Sal3600 Overpopulation isn't an argument made by vegans, though, it's always made by meat eaters. It's either "the problem isn't meat consumption, it's that we have too many humans" or "we have an overpopulation of animals, and if we don't kill them, where are they gonna go?". The size of humanity is a problem only if we keep our current habits of consumptions, for instance eating as much meat as we currently do.

[@anti-ethniccleansing465]

Seems like his intelligence fits right in with everyone walking around in masks. 😂 Just think about the fact that this guy was accepted into this university and was allowed to move here for it, instead of a citizen having the spot.

[@VeganSemihCyprus33]

Ladies and gentlemen, here you can see the goal of the mass education system... Arrogant soulless robots to tear down the forests and holocaust life. The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 🔥

[@llamatreee]

@@anti-ethniccleansing465 Diversity appointments wooo

[@nathanrossi6126]

“You can be raised with beliefs and follow them. You don’t always have to have a reason.” Everyone, this from an international student at one of the foremost institutions of higher learning in the world. We are in deep doodoo.

[@seanogorman3617]

Ya that part was something else

[@BigBigBafz]

Yeah it clearly shows that intelligence and academic ability aren't necessarily directly related.

[@angelocarantino4803]

Some traditions are fine to follow simply to respect tradition but not when it's morally wrong or incongruous with logic. I'm Christian because I love the traditions. I also happen to believe it but regardless I would be Christian because I love the Bible and I love the principles I've learned. It's when something doesn't add up that we need to be able to question our beliefs and have intellectual conversations and think critically to come to conclusions. Hope your having a good day :)

[@VeganSemihCyprus33]

Ladies and gentlemen, here you can see the goal of the mass education system... Arrogant soulless robots to tear down the forests and holocaust life. The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 🔥

[@llamatreee]

California doesn’t care about intelligence, they care about diversity appointments lol.

[@xander8335]

Chicken has 20g protein(100g) Chickpeas 19g protein (100g) You don't need to kill someone just for one extra gram of protein

[@NR-EDIT]

I agree that we don't have to kill someone for protein but nutrition is more complex than that. Proteins differ from source to source and our digestive systems cares a lot about where those proteins come from. Unfortunately (as a vegan myself) animal proteins can be used more efficiently by our bodies. At least I heard - I'm not an expert. In the end you can, of course, still get enough proteins from plant based food but you can not simply look at the raw numbers. Does someone know more about this and may enlighten me?

[@chandruishwar1]

he is not killing only the chicken, he is killing himself with the extra fat and cholestrol he gets from the chicken. they dont even have the idea of scale of ignorance they are soaked in

[@isislee919]

@@NR-EDIT you're right that not all proteins are the same, like chickpeas aren't a complete protein to comparing them one to one with chicken isn't very fair. that doesn't mean chickpeas aren't a good source, you just need to make sure to get protein from multiple different sources so you can meet your need for all the essential amino acids

[@Daelaight]

​@NR-EDIT chickpeas aren't a complete protein but that's why our meals contain variety. no one is eating just a bowl of chickpeas. when you include variety however you're able to make combinations that offer all nine essential amino acids like beans and rice as a combination.

[@project77977]

@@NR-EDIT our body make chick peas complete protien

[@Jigglypoop97]

This is just a very ignorant man arguing with bad faith and intense bias. He has no interest in the debate itself.

[@vietnamd0820]

I felt the same way…he wasn’t taking the debate seriously

[@MrJavacash]

don't you think veganism is the most bias thing ever? Omg the fact that you don't realize that is crazy. Many vegans first get emotional over animals getting stabbed then start reading into nutrition studies, why'd I trust them? That's not the world u wanna live in anyway and u won't believe it so everything ur analyzing is probably wrong

[@Jigglypoop97]

@@MrJavacash I have an honest question for you. Are you familiar with the United States Civil War? If you are, do you think that the Union was "biased" for wanting to free the slaves? Were they just too emotional over innocent people being enslaved?

[@anti-ethniccleansing465]

@@Jigglypoop97 Lincoln couldn’t give a shit about freeing the slaves. All he cared about was keeping the country together, whether or not that meant keeping or free the slaves.

[@VeganSemihCyprus33]

Ladies and gentlemen, here you can see the goal of the mass education system... Arrogant soulless robots to tear down the forests and holocaust life. The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 🔥

[@TheAndyVegan]

This is better than any movie I've ever watched. Thanks for giving us life, but mostly, thanks for giving the animals life. Ed Winters, you are amazing.

[@onewa712]

It's got a better story than most popular movies 😂

[@VeganSemihCyprus33]

Ladies and gentlemen, here you can see the goal of the mass education system... Arrogant soulless robots to tear down the forests and holocaust life. The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 🔥

[@discursion]

The cringe is nearly unbearable.

[@GarudaLegends]

they are looking for smart ppl, not vegan hippies who are vastly unintelligent about life.

[@VeganSemihCyprus33]

Ladies and gentlemen, here you can see the goal of the mass education system... Arrogant soulless robots to tear down the forests and holocaust life. The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 🔥

[@Cowz19999]

Don't be so harsh on Ed. He's pretty good.

[@discursion]

@@Cowz19999 That comment obviously did not refer to Ed.

[@slavefreenow6106]

Fact.

[@theecoherbivore9659]

Ed, you have the patience of a saint. This dude contradicts himself so much. You’re a superhero. Thank you for everything that you do ❤️❤️❤️

[@Sal3600]

Hes being put in a corner and is a little ignorant. Ed has weak arguments. Lmao think for yourself. Ed is equating human life to other animals.A chicken is insignificant. So much so that you can't even call it a "someone"

[@renny___9388]

@@Sal3600 The problems stemming from the poultry industry are more significant than anything you will say or do in your lifetime, Sal. But don't let me stop you from crying on every video lol

[@Investigate_Mermaids]

@@Sal3600 That's a biased statement made from the biased perspective that humans are superior to all other animals. That perspective is congruent with the vast majority of people's. It was only through exploring veganism that I began to think for myself.

[@VeganSemihCyprus33]

Ladies and gentlemen, here you can see the goal of the mass education system... Arrogant soulless robots to tear down the forests and holocaust life. The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 🔥

[@lauraanne5175]

@@Sal3600 why is a chicken insignificant? Some people feel other groups of people are insignificant so why shouldn't we kill those groups?

[@mitchellkirkpatrick5714]

when he said he said 'I work out I need protein' I litterally laughed out loud. guy's tiny and I'd love to take him to the gym throw 120kg on the bench and see how his chicken arms hold out... personally I've not eaten meat in 6yrs and it hasn't hindered my lifting at all.

[@seraphin01]

I don't even do sport and I know I can take that guy anytime of the day even though I'm twice his age and haven't touched an animal product for over 10 years.. at this level of "workout" he's at I'm not sure you even need to eat at all lol

[@themadtitan728]

Name one vegan athlete who's No.1 in ANY strength sport.

[@mitchellkirkpatrick5714]

@@themadtitan728 I hope you caugh last years Wimbledon final. It was a good one.

[@themadtitan728]

@@mitchellkirkpatrick5714 Tennis is not a strength sport. Lol.

[@mitchellkirkpatrick5714]

@themadtitan728 depends on what you mean by strength? Are we inly classing power lifting as a strength sport, or do we include the boxers and mma fighters who are vegan, etc. Basically, your argument is stupid. Also of the worlds population only around 10% of it is vegan, and yet there are still top-tier athletes who are vegan. Also, if strength is important to you, how much do you bench?

[@TheUS1889]

The fact that this guy couldn't answer why it's wrong to kill even a human is extremely concerning. The best he could offer up is that other humans might be beneficial to the environment. What a psychopath. Can't expect someone like that, who doesn't even empathize with humans, to empathize with animals.

[@Veganarchy-Zetetic]

You would be surprised how many people are just like him.

[@vegan-rising]

works in reverse too. many psychopathic serial killers have a history of animal abuse.

[@r.m8146]

But that is not the exception it's the rule. When I debate people, 95% of the time those that are defending slaughter of animals will also defend murder, rape, genocide, coprophagy, cannibalism etc and they'll do it very casually. Anyone who does any kind of activism debating knows what I'm talking about.

[@ramonserna8089]

To be fair a lot of people are like this. They behave because if they dont they will go to jail or their religion says so. They have never stopped to think why you should live a moral life.

[@Veganarchy-Zetetic]

@@r.m8146 100% this, becoming vegan has really made me see what a POS most people really are.

[@1terminatorr]

Ed is truly amazing at what he does, I don’t think many would have managed to calmly reason with this person for this long.

[@beeeean]

Does being vegan automatically make you a good person because you made the more "moral" decision on reducing less animal suffering?

[@Ben-io2vo]

@@beeeean no, it doesn't make you a 'good' person just because you oppose horrible cruelty to animals it's a moral baseline if you are knowingly consciously paying for someone to suffer then by most people's definitions not good

[@el29]

ahh,, okay... So you are just a childish person then ?. You cant handle conversations ?.

[@Sondalyn]

The funniest part of this video is how he's arguing that you shouldn't kill someone because they could solve global warming, while if everyone went vegan, global warming would be essentially be solved.

[@user-cp2pw6kl1o]

Yeah, hoped he mentioned that

[@albert6157]

Actually, if everyone be vegan, it still wont solve global warming on the long run. Other industries and other greenhouse gas sources still causes global warming, it is one part of the solution, but not the entire solution to global warming and climate change.

[@VeganSemihCyprus33]

Ladies and gentlemen, here you can see the goal of the mass education system... Arrogant soulless robots to tear down the forests and holocaust life. The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 🔥

[@Cowz19999]

Greenhouse Earth is coming eventually. Can only try to postpone it. A lot more funding should be going to learning how to deal with the inevitable disappearance of the ice caps.

[@stevengarcia3233]

😂💯

[@drsalka]

"Human is a separate caste." RIP 💀 Wow, the man is still thinking within the caste system...😩 So much work left to do. Possibly the worst person to be interviewed by Ed so far. Insufferable.

[@Ganpignanus]

according to the caste system he is referring to meat eaters are considered the cruelest and lowest. maybe he should look into it.

[@sourabhgupta99]

He is typically confused Hindu who has bought into western bs about high protein diet and meat consumption- he is also confused about caste system as you are.

[@LoveYourself-my9nz]

​@@sourabhgupta99he is an American, and he pretty sure doesn't know how bad the caste system is but he uses caste word means caste is still practiced by his family just like most NRIs do!

[@jadecollins7693]

For someone who is supposedly religious, he really does seem to find it difficult to answer the question- 'is it morally justifiable to kill a human?'

[@FruityHachi]

like George Carlin said, religions never really had a problem with killing, it depends on who is being killed and who does the killing

[@MrJavacash]

veganism is a religion, and vegans deny it

[@EldhoseJoseph]

@@FruityHachi did any atheist voiced against sentencing to death? And urging Ukrainians to drop weapons?

[@EldhoseJoseph]

He should have said YES.

[@jadecollins7693]

@@MrJavacash explain?

[@maomao180]

Becoming Vegan is like waking into a nightmare, you suddenly see how apathetic majority of the world is.

[@VerdantJedi]

Being vegan is not easy. But that doesn't mean we should give up ✌🌱

[@lastdreamofhome]

I try and think about the individual animals saved by going vegan, and the occasional thoughtful and compassionate people who also make the change. Otherwise the true scale of animal exploitation and public apathy are absolutely too much to bear.

[@303cris]

@@pacmanmcgavin7034 your comments are pointless.

[@llamatreee]

Omg vegans are so brave and saintly, you really are amazing because you eat beans.

[@jacewright6428]

For me it's less stressful than sleeping through it!

[@stratton00]

This guy is acting like Ed forced him to be there. I seriously had to remind myself multiples times, oh no, this is voluntary.

[@Ayte888]

"I'm still eating my chicken" kids ego is hurt from being embarrassed from Ed schooling him while kid looks sillier and sillier.

[@nvmffs]

Remember, it's his chicken!

[@sumalyabarman7291]

hahahahhaa

[@withgoddess7646]

Trust me his appearance is ridiculous and it's only downhill from there...

[@arun.sekher]

He 'loves his chickens so much'!! 🐓

[@nutmeg0144]

@@withgoddess7646 oh well. He'll continue eating his chicken and you'll keep coping

[@jimenezarturo]

Listing to this guy's blind thoughts is proof of how most people are programmed to believe what they think it's their own way of thinking.

[@MrJavacash]

programmed? vegans are programmed to think veggies are healthy. Utterly insane. Many meat eaters came to their decision from logic reasoning and even after listening to vegans for a long time. its not "cognitive dissonance" as they always say hahaah

[@redbriarn6295]

@ Arturo Jimenez after the 2004 tsunami washed salty ocean water over the northern Indonesia 🇮🇩 rice farming areas. Stupid humans started creating more inland fish farms , fisheries, and marine fishing boats 🚤 to feed starving people on Asia. Was that wrong? All those exploited animals feeding humans? Is that ok ??

[@GlossRabban]

NPCs the lot of them 😉

[@VeganSemihCyprus33]

Ladies and gentlemen, here you can see the goal of the mass education system... Arrogant soulless robots to tear down the forests and holocaust life. The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 🔥

[@anakarlaperez3050]

exacto!

[@DuelingPeaks]

This guy is a lunatic. The part where he says, in a sort of exasperated tone, "I'm coming with an open mind, I see where you're coming from" after literally just saying"If you want to become a murderer, kill people and eat them, go ahead" is incredible. Like Ed's the one with the ridiculous views 😂

[@dxvexlmeida4256]

When Ed asked "what is more valuable, taste or life" and he said "i want to say taste and i'm gonna say taste", that was the end of the video for me. It's just sad how people can be so conditioned and with such closed personality and mind, to the point they sound like a psychopath.

[@Hesselgrenify]

In a mad world only the mad are sane... We ( who choose to not inflict unecessary harm to sentient beings) are deemed insane and people like this guy are the norm and what's considered "sane".

[@MindVersusMisery]

@@Hesselgrenify Are you from Sweden? Your name sound Swedish... :) In that's the case "Greetings from Eskilstuna"

[@VeganSemihCyprus33]

Ladies and gentlemen, here you can see the goal of the mass education system... Arrogant soulless robots to tear down the forests and holocaust life. The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 🔥

[@EthanJahnz]

putting morality aside, if you kill someone you can just keep killing people until you get into trouble. am I wrong? I'm pretty sure that's what serial killers are

[@megankillian5839]

Mother of God, did this guy actually get into Berkeley?

[@sariuca]

Probably paid loads of money to get in

[@aloha2orangeneko]

If he’s in, hopefully he flunks out. He’s dumb enough to.

[@Chompchompyerded]

He got in, and he probably belongs there too. It's just that beliefs he's held since infancy are being challenged, and when you do that to a person, they usually don't react rationally. It's exactly the wrong approach because it isn't eliciting a rational response and is shutting down an otherwise rational person. There are far better ways to win someone over than arguing with them,. but you've gotta make it so that it's his decision and that he owns it. Do that, and you'll have a convert for life, and you won't have to argue. There are a lot of really good possibilities for someone who wants to make producing that sort of change their life's work. Would you like to give it a try? I don't know what's going on in your life, and maybe you don't have the time or have other priorities to devote your life to. Or, perhaps like me, you're old and don't have much time left. But if you're interested, we can toss some ideas around.

[@jackbicknell4711]

@@Chompchompyerded How would you attempt to change this fellas mind if you were Ed then?

[@Chompchompyerded]

@@jackbicknell4711 I would do it the way I always have. I would cook the food for them , let them eat it and enjoy it, and give them the recipe to go with it. There are some extremely easy vegan recipes which are very inexpensive and at the same time very nutritious. College students are always short on money and looking for ways to save. They are also always short on time, so if you give them food and recipes which are cheap, simple, and taste delicious, as well as satisfy their hunger, they'll make the right choice all on their own. Also, it's best to target the women. Guys eat junk, and nothing is going to get a college age guy to eat better. But if you convert the women, after the wedding bells ring, she'll have a captive audience, and if nobody else converts him, she sure will! He won't have much of a choice. I've been doing this since I was in college almost 50 years ago, and I'll tell you, it works! I've got more people to go vegan simply by feeding them than anyone has convinced simply by arguing with them. Try it! You'll see. Don't expect them to make the dive right away, but after they've tried a few things they like and that they can make on their busy schedules, they'll change. Also, when you hand out the recipe for what you're feeding them, make sure to put all over it how much it costs per serving. That will really get their attention. One other thing I did for awhile was to open a restaurant near campus where I charged only what it cost to make the food. I got funding from other vegans to cover the rent., and handed out recipes for what I was making with the meal. I also offered to bring anyone who didn't know how to cook back into the kitchen to learn if they wanted to. I had the lowest prices in the area, and the food was as good and better than anything else they could get in the neighborhood. In that little show I got more people to turn vegan than from anything else I've done. My goal was a strange one. It was to get so many people cooking vegan at home that it would put me out of business. The thing was, I was always ending up with a new crop of students coming in each year, so as the old crop began coming in less and less frequently, I'd have a new gang coming in each fall. From time to time I would ask some of my patrons if they had gone vegan, and almost invariably they'd say they had. Folks really will make the right decision if you prove it's the right decision through their tongues and bellies.

[@GaryLuKOTH]

"You can't kill a human." "Okay, but what if it feels good?" "Well, then you're free to do it." What the heck?

[@voiceforanimals8457]

This dude is changing the definition of civilization 😂😂😂

[@Maria-tm8jg]

I legit said "What the fuck out?" loud the moment he said that...

[@voiceforanimals8457]

@plurabelle5 iykyk😂😂😂

[@bizznick444joe7]

Yes you can kill the human and face the consequences. Why is this so hard to understand. Just don't know if it's worth it to do it if it just feels good. I have to question Ed for even saying this. Does he secretly feel good killing people?

[@eladguitar]

@bizznick444joe7 The question was not if whether if enjoying killing people is morally justifying it for people who enjoy killing people. The question was if *he* thinks it's morally justifiable. Moral is subjective so nothing is universally moral, that's why you need to find some basic agreements in order to have a discussion.

[@MO-rl9gl]

This guy literally admitted to not even believing his own “beliefs” 😂

[@peterbsims]

Spot on.

[@VeganSemihCyprus33]

Ladies and gentlemen, here you can see the goal of the mass education system... Arrogant soulless robots to tear down the forests and holocaust life. The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 🔥

[@SelinasVisualStories]

Seriously 😂

[@nvmffs]

Well, he doesn't eat meat on Tuesdays... you gotta give him that.

[@lucaaa857]

@@nvmffs 😭😭😭

[@py16667]

This guy is just not all there, missing more than few screws

[@andrewdl6824]

Yeah, he was ignorant and not capable of navigating the subjects.

[@matthewv5063]

Damn this is probably the most frustrating, mind numbing and painful thing I've seen in my entire life. Never have I admired you more ed.

[@hesat6023]

True It’s such a headache when ed’s trying to have a logical conversation and he just wants to impose his illogical beliefs

[@Ethanity20]

You can tell by his answers like "murder is wrong because it's murder" and "what answer are you looking for" that this guy doesn't do much thinking of his own. Just gives the answers that he thinks are acceptable because that's what he's been told, it's a shame really. Great work as always Ed

[@thebowandbullet]

If he's morally consistent, this guy basically demonstrated that he would fully support murder, human trafficking, r@pe, forced-breeding, abuse, forced confinement, etc., as long as one enjoys it and can profit from it.

[@GarudaLegends]

it is your ideology. not his. i will never stop eating meat. only in your tiny vegan brain, you would muder a human, because i eat chicken wings

[@thebowandbullet]

@@GarudaLegends As usual, you fail to connect the dots and understand simple concepts, troll Garuda.

[@caseyburger9864]

Which part of that gave you the impression that he cares about being morally consistent?

[@VeganSemihCyprus33]

Ladies and gentlemen, here you can see the goal of the mass education system... Arrogant soulless robots to tear down the forests and holocaust life. The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 🔥

[@caseyburger9864]

@Aaron Loos not an argument

[@ponteacampata]

i actually think Ed managed to make him question himself and those questions will continue to move around in his mind, great work as always! and great patience!

[@johnzackarias11]

Unfortunately, I don't think so. The only thing going on inside his head was not "does Ed have a point?", rather "what argument do I come up with now?.

[@helenlamb2432]

@@johnzackarias11 Totally agree with you... he was just interested in keeping his head above water, no interest in the debate.

[@jacewright6428]

@@johnzackarias11 I was the same way when I was 14

[@johnzackarias11]

@@jacewright6428 Me too. Additionally, I would bring up all the "protein", "wild animals", "we can't let them out", "one person won't make a difference" arguments.

[@TiagoSalemaG]

technically speaking, those questions cannot really move "around" in his mind if he only has 2 neurons. They will move in a straight line from one to the other.

[@ShayC143]

Comes to show that intelligence isn't equivalent to what school you go to. Ignorance is ignorance. I hope he reconsiders his choices. I'm dumbfounded by his reasonings.

[@llamatreee]

Obviously, most students are socialist and support blm lol

[@kaseykohler1490]

Imagine eating plain chicken and thinking it tastes good without any plant spices lol. BuT ToFu iS bLaNd!

[@mareezy]

Daaaaaaaaaang, good point!!!!! Ed should've said that

[@yoni-3240]

Earthling Ed, your ability to structure your argument and your patience is absolutely remarkable. Well done and keep carrying the torch 💪🏼

[@VeganSemihCyprus33]

Ladies and gentlemen, here you can see the goal of the mass education system... Arrogant soulless robots to tear down the forests and holocaust life. The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 🔥

[@wayneliketowalk3740]

I found it hilarious that taste was more important than life😂 I hope he never meets a cannibal that's hungry.

[@Erecura]

THIS is a UC Berkeley student? Wow, how embarrassing for them. Zero critical thinking whatsoever.

[@Herberberber]

Not a good school. USC way better

[@erinhunt235]

I am screaming inside soooooo much listening to this guy.. I can’t.. bless Ed for not ripping his eyes out.. wow

[@coloradostatesenatorsteven7443]

so you only care about animals who don't give two sh*ts about you but not your own species?

[@coloradostatesenatorsteven7443]

and harm only non vegans?

[@coloradostatesenatorsteven7443]

I thought the murder of all animals is against your religon/cult. but I guess whittling down the non vegan population would be alright with your non sustainable non nutrient agenda

[@chrissiehorsley304]

@@coloradostatesenatorsteven7443 Animal agriculture is the second highest contributor to the climate crisis after fossil fuels and above all the world's transport emissions. What do you think are the positives for animal farming? I'll wait.....

[@withgoddess7646]

It wouldnt prove that veganism is moral...thats why.

[@tp_cologne]

It's impressive every time to see you, Ed, being calm, focused, and kind during these discussions. It's sometimes hard to watch these videos (this one is one of the tough ones) since it's not only the arguments but the ignorance that's disturbing.

[@Chompchompyerded]

It's not ignorance. It's resistance to changing a thing which they have known all their lives. It's difficult to do because of the cognitive dissonance. That's why you'll rarely change someone by arguing or debating them. They're defending against something they've never questioned their entire life, and that doesn't have to be rational to them. The way to convert them is to demonstrate to them via their other senses that this is a good substitute. Feed them really yummy, in expensive, and easy to make vegan food that is satisfying and keeps them full and you won't be able to help but convert people. I've been doing it all of my 73 years and I've converted a more than a hundred people without the least bit of pushback. When I feed them and they really like it, I hand them a recipe card and tell them how little it costs to make it, and at the very least they reduce their meat intake. After they've collected several inexpensive, easy and fast to make dishes that they really like, they choose the vegan option every time, and I don't have to argue with t hem one bit. The argument is in their mouths, tummies, and pocket books. There's no beating that combination. They will convince themselves, and that's an argument that will last a lifetime, and be passed on to another generation. That's where you get the biggest bang for your buck and your time. Try it and see.

[@tp_cologne]

@@Chompchompyerded I couldn't agree more and I'd love to print your answer and hand it out to everyone who wants to 'convert' people by judging them or their socially inherited thinking. I agree the best way to let people change their mind is making them realize a vegan life isn't about getting rid of taste, choices, and joy. Letting people experience the beauty of creative vegan cuisine and the ease of change is definitely what's more successful. Still, of course, it's disturbing to watch. Not because there's someone who didn't reflect enough yet on what they've learned in their life so far and what the reality and the morality and ethics around that might look like, but because it's a mirror for my and other's former mindset, when I wasn't vegan, but trying to find the exact same excuses. So, I stick with my comment that the ignorance is distrubing, but you reminded me that it took a while for me to realize it myself. Thanks a lot for this comment and for your encouraging words.

[@Chompchompyerded]

@@tp_cologne I have another tool that I've used over the years and I'm trying to find people who would be willing to use it. I won't charge a dime because I want others to do it so that they will have an easier time understanding. If you could learn to communicate with a duck or a goose at a high level, and if you could then use that duck or goose to prove to people that these birds that they are killing for food are sentient, self-aware, and emotional beings would you do it? If you have the time to dedicate to it, I can teach you modified Central Flyway canada goose or mallard. It will be very much like committing to raise a disabled child which happens to have a very sharp mind. It will take a lot of time and dedication, but the end result will be something amazing that you probably couldn't have guessed is possible. I have done it several times, but my life is drawing to a close and I don't have time left to do it. Basically you will need to need to see the bird through its entire life. I will warn you ahead of time that when the bird passes, it will be like loosing a child. It hurts more than just about anything else in terms of emotional pain. I can tell you that without a doubt because I lost my only child and that loss was exactly the same as the loss of the ducks and the geese which I have raised and communicated with. If you can face the pain, and if can commit the time, you will have the all the proof that you need to convince people of the immorality of killing and eating animals. If you need someone to vouch for me, I'll give you the name and phone number of the vet who treated the birds I had, and who saw first hand, and benefitted from being able to communicate with my birds to find out what was wrong when they were sick. It made his job a lot easier because he was able to ask them what was wrong and where they hurt and they could tell him using me as a translator. I'm pretty sure that just about anyone can do it giving the correct training. I'll need to teach you the vocabulary. it's very different from any human language. They do things like layering sentences and words. But it's doable if you commit yourself to it. There will be a lot of hands on work to do to. Once you've learned the language you'll need to commit to speaking with the baby before it even hatches out. You'll also need to continuously talk to it in the modified language all day every day, without getting a reply until it's vocalization tract is mature. At that point it will be kind of like someone turned the lights on in a dark room. It will start communicating with you in full thoughts and it will start requesting things. It will also do a lot of talking just for the sake of socialization. At first it will be asking you a lot of questions which to you will seem mundane. It's just like little children do when they learn to talk, but without the terrible twos. The amazing thing is what the potential of these birds to learn complex concepts. If you want to be completely successful, you'll need to home school it just as you would a child which cannot use its hands and which cannot read. Waterfowl don't have opposable thumbs nor do they have binocular vision, but they have a huge capacity to remember, recall, and to manipulate facts, ideas, and data. If you stick with it, it will be able to do amazing things and if you spend the time, it will be right on grade level for a human child of the same age. Would you be interested in learning how it's done, or do you know a nyone who would? I don't want to die without passing along what I've learned, but I have only six years tops, and so far, no takers. How about it? want to give it a go?

[@Tobi806]

@@Chompchompyerded I wouldn't say that this is always the perfect way of helping people go vegan. Firstly you have to be someone who really enjoys cooking for others. On the other hand there are enough people who would really refuse getting cooked a vegan meal. Even in my family. And still at some point I did and I really put all the love in and created dishes that meat eaters would love. All the people always say that it is tasty and great but they don't form any connection to the suffering on their heads. I really think that having discussions like ed has them . Respectful and Empathetic will plant a seed. People will then go on and watch graphical content and that makes most of the time the switch. Still it is inspiring what you do

[@thebowandbullet]

Ed: So getting tortured, having your genitals ripped off, then having your throat cut in a slaughterhouse is humane to you? [paraphrasing] Student: Yeah. Ed: What does humane mean? Student: Not a clue. 🤦‍♂🤦‍♂🤦‍♂

[@caseyburger9864]

Proceeds to explain what he means by humane, showing that he was lying.

[@DasRL]

So intelectually dishonest

[@sumalyabarman7291]

i think he was trying to be smart

[@RapidBlindfolds]

This guy has never met a vegan in real life, only seen them in KZbin fail compilations

[@cynicalidealist11]

Poor guy probably thought a debate with a vegan would be an easy win

[@davidhopkins6946]

Once, before I became vegan, I was at my uncle's house with my Thanksgiving dinner laid out in front of me: turkey, stuffing, cranberry, mashed potatoes & gravy, yams, and I noticed my uncle had forgotten to serve me a liver, so I pointed out "I don't have a liver" and he replied "Yes you do. You'd be dead if you didn't." While I thought his response was hilarious back then, it doesn't seem funny at all in retrospect knowing now that the poor turkey's liver was not mine to eat, any more than the rest of the poor turkey.

[@MEMORY_LANE.]

I love this.

[@Jodie-masterson]

Thanksgiving turned me vegan once when I saw a turkey neck being pulled out of its insides I felt sad

[@the_highfruitvegan]

He literally ran away, can't believe he still couldn't understand after such a conversation 😤

[@PBandJames1]

I think Ed made a dent. I hope this guy thinks about it again the next time he eats chicken.

[@connorwhitmore5400]

He did, he just wasn't admitting it

[@stevesas632]

I believe it's just a case that he's one of those (and the're many) humans that will never have much empathy towards others, & certainly none at all towards animals.

[@johnzackarias11]

@@PBandJames1 The only thing that was dented was this guy's ego. I guarantee you he will not consider the worth of an animal even once.

[@janeolsen3695]

@@johnzackarias11 I hope not :(

[@derv1sh135]

Ed’s brain is exploding trying to have a logical conversation with this guy, insane how many people live in this moral cloud of speciesism

[@Chompchompyerded]

It's because he's going about it the wrong way. There are far better and easier ways to get people to become vegan than arguing with them. That only builds up resistance. If you give them the opportunity to make that decision for themselves, you'll meet very little resistance at all. It's not that the guy's stupid, it's just that he's resistant, and when you're trying to argue someone out of doing something which has been an integral part of their life since infancy, you'll never win by arguing. That's not the way the mind works. That doesn't mean you give up. It only means you try a different way which will get you far less pushback, and will bypass all the irrationalism which everyone throws up when long cherished ways are challenged.

[@beeeean]

Does being vegan automatically make you a good person because you made the more "moral" decision on reducing less animal suffering?

[@Chompchompyerded]

@@beeeean It all depends on how you view animals, and how much you want to do for the planet, especially when it comes to reducing one's carbon footprint. I'm tired of religious types telling me what's moral and what's not, and I'm not about to tell anyone else what's moral and what's not. If you believe as I do that animals which are used for food or for the production of food are sentient beings who are self-aware and feel pain, then in my opinion one should not inflict pain or hardship on them. That's my take on it, and I have pretty hard evidence to back it up. I don't want to do things that cause pain or harm to anyone. Others will see it differently, and far be it for me to to judge and to push my morality off on others. Each person finds their own morality based on their own realities, knowledge, and beliefs. Because you believe differently from me does not necessarily make you more or less moral. It only makes you different from me. I know I'll catch flack for my position, but that's how I feel about it. I desire to be allowed to make my decisions about my life and my moral values, and I believe you should be allowed the same.

[@slavefreenow6106]

Facts

[@nvmffs]

@@Chompchompyerded What would that way be? In any case people should put into question everything they do, regardless if it started in early infancy or not.

[@clapwingbirb]

I burst into a loud laughter when he said that he thinks that murdering humans is wrong because the person that gets killed could have solved global warming! I-CAN'T-BELIEVE-THIS.

[@roseofthetree]

ironic isn't it x)

[@peachesmcgee4795]

The mental gymnastics are strong with this guy.

[@livid2699]

He tried to troll Ed but ended up looking like a troll to whatever audience surrounded him🤡 Shoutout to Ed for fighting through that one🫡

[@starcatcher3691]

Not very impressive this student. Selfish, heartless and ignorant at the same time.

[@laurapark9986]

also kills other people's braincells at the same time

[@existentialbowlofnoodles2495]

@@laurapark9986 makes me feel smart though listening to the shit he says

[@GreasyPhil420]

I like chicken too, I like bacon aswell. I don't eat them or other meat though because I know that the meat came from a sentient being that deserves life just as much as I do. that's the point.

[@TykoBrian7]

What makes you think they deserve life as much as you do?

[@GreasyPhil420]

@@TykoBrian7 why don't they?

[@GreasyPhil420]

@Aaron Loos good for you

[@Cowz19999]

I eat chicken but I pass on beef and pork.

[@officialasa]

“Murder is wrong because it’s wrong” That’s his religious framework at play. Tautology to the max

[@DhruvPatel-zg1zs]

I am not angry him but I am angry on uc Berkeley. Wtf uc Berkeley is doing

[@mantra1481]

Then complains about Ed creating circular arguments 😂

[@Nick_Lyston]

“The unexamined life is not worth living.” This guy mentions at one point that he has better things to do, but he had a chance to learn more in this 30 min conversation than 4 years of whatever BS he is learning.

[@pmaster1173]

He's just stupid. Hinduism doesn't just ban beef, but also promotes Ahimsa(non violence) towards all sentient beings and promotes vegetarianism.

[@followintruthlj2865]

Perfect evidence that not all humans are smarter than a chicken....fair play Ed for remaining calm ..as you always do.

[@marinakaverina2864]

Patience is your absolute superpower, Ed! Admire your work here, I wouldn’t be able to have a conversation with this person. He’s living proof that not all humans have actually evolved

[@MrJavacash]

superpower to misinformation and brainwash people OMG! Vegans are wrong on many levels but won't admit it

[@frankmedrisch7451]

This person was being disingenous and did not deserve patience

[@mordecaiben-gurion1199]

🤣🤣🤣 man!

[@Masilya111]

you know you're in for a treat when someone is struggling hard to explain why murder is wrong. I hope the other students are not that dense

[@Cowz19999]

Maybe he doesn't consider it wrong and just doesn't do it cause it would get him into trouble. You'd be surprised how many people do.

[@GarudaLegends]

good thing killing a chicken for food is not murder.

[@sebleblan]

These debates are truely bewildering. These students are supposed to be the brightest but they can't put together an inteligible argument or even remember what they said the sentence before!

[@JustinViola]

this tells one a lot about what society deems 'intelligent'. people unfortunately miss out on vital parts on what makes a person truly intelligent. one could know how to manufacture a rocket and still think there's nothing wrong with eating children. at least in my opinion, intelligence is a full package with not only IQ but also EQ and overall the ability to empathize. empathy is what truly gives potential to one's intelligence. after all you need to bring yourself in the perspective of a whole new world from a whole new individual. it's obviously not that easy explained but still, to sum up my point: if one lacks even the ability to empathize on the most basic level they in no way qualify as 'intelligent'. but I guess the reality-disconnected hivemind will decide whether or not that is true - like it always does. 'do what is popular, not what is right' seems to be the internal slogan of the majority of humankind. 'ignore the uncomfortable, even if its obvious because everyone else does so, too'. 'pay hollow lip service and act as if you are a kind and empathic being even though you're not because image is everything.' I feel like most of those things are already happening automatically in people. because they don't even pay a drop of attention to actually important things and only care about themselves. this guy in the video is a prime example of this and I swear people would be surprised of how many people exist that are just like him. for example I live in a kind of 'ghetto city' and the majority of people my age here are like this dude. one half is exactly like him, the other half focusses more on the hollow lip service but their actions are essentially the same. at this point it only keeps reminding me of one quote: 'If human beings were shown what they’re really like, they’d either kill one another as vermin, or hang themselves.' - Aldous Huxley it just seems they can't even face reality anymore at this point. collectively they are at fault for destroying everything basically but they can't bear facing this. so they continue to lie to themselves, not even allowing them to apply the most basic logic. just repeat what others in their herd have said. without thinking. without empathizing. as if the whole universe only spins around them. inherent arrogance and narcissism. I also feel like after decades of superficiality and marketing lies, goverment lies, capitalism and the lowkey exploitation of half of the world, it feels like arrogance and narcissism became human traits through natural selection. I mean one has to ask themselves at one point what happens if responsible and kind-hearted people think trice if they should ever get children while in some way 'his kind' has no issue with pumping out several children - all of which of course get no actual education or are raised properly but instead are 'raised' by irresponsible parents and the internet. it happens all over the world. I guess I have to say this but to me it just seems obvious that most people literally chose to be evil. chose to be selfish. and this guy is just a prime example of this when it comes to the public videos. conversations like this are common though in my city. and I doubt my city is the only one. those arrogant and selfish hypocrites are everywhere and my guess is even that they already make up at least more than half of humanity - and I believe this is even optimistically viewed. my gut tells me that it's more like 70-80%. just my two cents. It's just frustrating and depressing when one knows the obvious truth since so many years and in terms of society nothign seems to have changed. people became just more arrogant and hostile. more intentionally misleading and opportunistic.

[@amarisfrede2]

@@JustinViola Makes me sad to think you have resigned. It reads as though you see the human kind as a hopeless species. Probably because you want to do the right thing, and thus inform yourself on what humans do wrong and how to do better. That can often give the impression that humans are terrible by nature. But they aren't. There are plenty of studies that show how kind and compassionate children are by default, and how many indiginous societies, that don't work with our capitalism, are about helping the group, by helping each individual. Capitalism forces us to do terrible things to ourselves and others, just to survive in a way we can see and understand. But nowadays so many people are able to educate themselves, see the error in our ways as a society and in themselves as individuals, and they make the changes they can. Ed is doing his part the way he can. He lives a vegan life and educates others. If all you could do is eat less animals (because you can't choose your food completely, if you still live at your parents for example), or use both sides of a paper to save trees, or do any other small thing, then you are already doing your part. Don't beat yourself up for not being perfect, and don't beat yourself up because many who could do way more still don't because they don't see the need. Just be a nice person. Be the best version you can be at the time, and never give up trying to improve. Then you are doing your part. Sending you much love! ☮🕊😘🌈❤🧡💛💚💙💜💗🤍🖤🤎🏳‍🌈🏳‍⚧🤗🕊☮

[@sebleblan]

@@JustinViola well even with empathy aside, simple logic seem to evade many of these interviewees/debate mates...

[@hanspeter6427]

Dude, how can he sit through this so calmly? He is a god.

[@withgoddess7646]

I saw a first ever flash of irritation in his eyes. It was that bad...

[@joaotfranco]

he says he doesn't eat beef because of his religion but still doesn't manage to comprehend why he shouldn't eat everything, lmao

[@somethingor]

boy doesn’t even know why he doesn’t eat cows. that’s the main problem.

[@EclipseDj]

Because his religion told him not to, and yet it also said not to eat meat on Saturdays but he has no issues breaking that moral code because he hates the vegan loaf 😅 So it comes down to selfishness. I think no matter the evidence, the statistics, the obvious moral conflict which Ed posed and debated brilliantly, unfortunately the outcome with this guy was always going to be, "I will eat my chicken"

[@VeganSemihCyprus33]

Ladies and gentlemen, here you can see the goal of the mass education system... Arrogant soulless robots to tear down the forests and holocaust life. The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 🔥

[@tamcon72]

I am guessing this is someone from an affluent Indian family who associates eating plants with being poor. That's it. It's a class-based hang-up and has very little to do with eating habits. If I'm right.

[@donacatanguma]

@@tamcon72 That crossed my mind as well. I’ve encountered plenty of grad students like him and they were often difficult to be around. However, practicing Sikhs and Jains from the subcontinent tend to be strictly vegetarian, although not predominantly vegan. Ironically, the burgeoning vegan movement in India tends to be concentrated in cosmopolitan urban areas and associated with the growing middle classes.

[@frafor]

I didn't see any reaction from this person after the interviewer explained to him all the foods that the interviewer eats. The person being interviewed is a person with absolutely no knowledge of what it is possible to eat today that contains zero animal products in it. He has no idea that it's possible to eat highly nutritious and healthy food without killing one single animal.

[@thomasjohnson308]

Holy shit this guy is a real piece of work. Ed, you're a saint, thank you for the work you do.

[@Monochidraws]

What an infuriating human being I cannot fathom how someone can be so ignorant. Thank you Ed for keeping calm, you exposed me to the horror that is the meat, egg and dairy industry and helped me kick start my journey to becoming vegan through your videos. Thank you ☺️👍

[@ElliottPiano]

Thanks ED , you're helping us create a wonderful future been vegan two years thanks to you , and haven't eaten a single animal in 4 years

[@callingelvis9614]

💚

[@laurab3876]

Good job! Congratulations

[@llamatreee]

I’ve upped my chicken consumption to compensate for the vegans

[@zzzzzbbbbbb7203]

This was so hard to watch....and the most frustrated I've ever seen Ed.

[@GreenVegan816]

I totally agree!

[@__cmo]

There should be a "poe's law" equivalent terminology for when the lines blur so much that you can't tell if someone is so bad faith that they've forced themselves to come off as extremely stupid, or they're so extremely stupid that they just come off as bad faith. My vote is name it after whatever this guy's name is

[@irenethompson7679]

my god. That describes so much of our stupid culture wars discourse so well.

[@maddyv]

This is definitely the smartest comment on this video!

[@anthonyhughes4642]

Not sure if you'll ever convince any of these people, but you certainly make me feel better about my own decisions. And thank you for maintaining kindness with these people.

[@VegaNurse.]

I wonder if he watches this back and has the self awareness to hear the sociopathy tumble out of his mouth.

[@JustinViola]

probably not if we're being honest.

[@303cris]

He will probably think he won the debate.

[@llamatreee]

How’s he a sociopath?

[@VegaNurse.]

Didn't state he was, rather that he spoke like one, someone with a lack of effective empathy in this instance.

[@llamatreee]

@@VegaNurse. Are you talking about his comments towards people or livestock?

[@aurimasvelicka5533]

This guy is a tool. So funny that he sat down with this confidence about himself, and throughout the video you can see him being destroyed little by little. Well done, Ed

[@TheSilverGate]

I don't know if he's muslim, but I've seen thousands of videos of muslims debating atheism and they have all the same void and arguments and self assurance about themselves.

[@LisaCooper-thevegan-123]

God help the human race! And God bless you Ed for your patience!!👏🙏♥️♥️♥️

[@MrJavacash]

god bless meat eaters for doing the right thing and vegans for destroying the world including our health

[@Priority76]

If you're relying on god to help the human race, I think we're fckd.

[@catmatism]

People like you never realise this god never prevents atrocities in the first place

[@Empathy4Animals411]

@@catmatism So humans take no responsibility for their free will and evil actions? Reality Check: You're not in Heaven or Paradise, you're on earth ruled by evil humans and psychopaths.

[@LisaCooper-thevegan-123]

@@MrJavacash Lol!