Public Debate: Veganism Doesn't Matter

[@skepticchic3426]

There is nothing more dangerous than a man who is confident in his ignorance.

[@marcoc8810]

I think a tsunami is more dangerous ^^

[@fromans1734]

@@marcoc8810 depends.

[@elloiseansell5322]

@Prairiedoggen there is a serious difference between taking a life and asking someone to morally justify taking a life

[@christineh86]

Prairiedoggen the meat eater is not the one being killed.. how could he be a victim? Only his taste buds are not more important than the animals life

[@kracken6218]

Its almost painful to see this guy, thinking he's educated and philosophical

[@thecheesyvegan5694]

‘Why does it matter if there’s a victim’. Holy shit.

[@dombower]

Fairly average response....from any psychopath

[@spoopep]

I don't want to be stuck with this guy in a small place. He would of eat me immediatly 😰 What a dickhead

[@andrewnguyen3312]

I know right...

[@FruitflyBat]

Exactly my reaction

[@spoopep]

@Kirsty B lol he would build a house with my bones and my eyes would be decoration I guess he's life inspirations are Hannibal Lecter and Norman Bates

[@aabracadavra]

*This dude said animals don't experience conscious pain because they don't know English* . Perhaps now I've heard it all.

[@xedgexpax]

Yeah haha

[@coolfellabackwards]

No, you're twisting words. He said you cannot threaten an animal with pain, therefore they are, if only slightly, less conscious/aware of pain.

[@vegan-vrking9565]

@@coolfellabackwards which you can see we simply pointed out that u can't use english or chinese or german or any dialect to threaten an animal *they don't go to school to learn* our language....he's stupid af for making a point if he talks calm they won't get scared duhhhhh they don't speak... circus animals fear tomorrow everyday......

[@vegan-vrking9565]

@@coolfellabackwards he clearly was trying to say *english* words cannot scare a dog, so therefore it cannot feel pain on the same level... *idiotic*

[@coolfellabackwards]

True, true. But circus animals, like (most of)you vegans for example, get abused every day(you get tortured every day by people not sharing your lifestyle), so they feel the I N C R E D I B L E P A I N you're talking about. Killing an animal in less than 2 seconds isn't that I N C R E D I B L E P A I N.

[@AnthonyTizzleMyNizzle]

The ignorance of this guy is sad. Ed deserves a medal for his patience.

[@yingthao6855]

Says the vegan guy lol

[@kurtcrean]

Ignorance and arrogance at the same time. Dunning Kruger effect in full force.

[@ketansrivastav]

@@yingthao6855 the vegan guy is correct. The dude literally said the without Christian values people would kill each other will nilly. Seriously? What a moron

[@pirds102010]

This guys brain activity: left: 100% right: 0%

[@Meatmanmark75]

You mean Ed as he thinks he is helping the planet when he's not.

[@angierose1143]

When you take one class in philosophy.

[@katja3297]

Angie Rose 😂😂😂🙄

[@cynicalidealist11]

lmao

[@TXRhody]

To quote Cheers, "if a little knowledge is dangerous, then you are a walking time bomb."

[@beruga]

Came here to post exactly this. The guy probably took Philosophy 101 and now believes that he is qualified to talk about the ultimate meaning in the universe. Maybe he should learn to listen to others' arguments, as that's a more important lesson to learn from philosophy.

[@JBgirlypop]

Oh shit, I'm taking a philosophy class right now 😂😂😂 hopefully I don't turn into a douche bag.

[@griffinmoore]

First time hearing the "animals are lesser because they can't be threatened a day in advance in English" argument. Good grief.

[@cynicalidealist11]

I guess it's okay to stab babies in the throat and eat them.

[@landonp.4073]

Griffin Moore That was tough to watch..I can’t believe Ed wasn’t able to refute that until the lady pointed it out

[@pyramidworship]

lmfao

[@infiniteoptimal]

I hadn’t watched the whole video yet I’d just started, and I saw this comment, got me laughing :D

[@griffinmoore]

Well, the guy was all over the place and wasn't at all interested in listening. I think it can be even more difficult to argue these absurd ones- as you can't figure what could possibly resonate with a person who is so far gone in their argument.

[@RySpirit]

For a man who claims he is not religious, he sure talks about God a lot.

[@ShaynaChambers]

ikr

[@workrelated755]

he is probably super Christian but does not want to portray it. I know a Christian who likes debating morality without bringing the word god or religion into it.

[@davidgiardina5424]

He's just a garden variety entitled halfwit actually.

[@gliocchiali6075]

"Soul tho"

[@naomixx5629]

You don’t have to be religious to still believe in god .

[@tsarina24honolulu87]

I could see this guy fighting against ending slavery in the 1800s and against women's rights in the 1920s.

[@davidt8087]

And I can see him on live TV or running for public office saying "racism bad. Women and men should be treated equally.", and then going home and abusing his wife telling her to make some food and using racist words to complain about other ethnicities for no reason just because he randomly saw one outside his window. And then the wife hates him more and more and decides to leave while he acts all masculine at first pretending he has it under control until she ignores him and gets a restraining order and next thing you know he got angry and enraged for realizing hes not "in control" like he thought and his masculinity was an illusion and thus he got enraged and next thing you know he shot her to "reassert his authority" while saying "God I know you understand and forgive me". What a psychopath. The religious are insane

[@bizznick444joe7]

I'm sure you remember those times great grandma

[@sophiepooks2174]

@@davidt8087 Like the petite fascist listening to John Lennon's Imagine then threatening to beat up his neighbor for being gay.

[@alinerichardwards4957]

or voting for trump in24

[@tsarina24honolulu87]

​@@alinerichardwards4957false analogy

[@sajfen]

10 seconds in "why is it wrong for someone to be a victim" ... WOW!

[@WorldOfARandomVegan]

Blew me away too.

[@LeeDowningKeat]

Knew it was going downhill from there, like wtf

[@sajfen]

You do realize that plants do not have brains or nervous systems, right? You should know this. You should also know that even if plants were to feel pain and suffering a vegan diet would minimize that too since vegans consume far fewer plants and animals than meat eaters.

[@sajfen]

And this is coming from someone who supports factory farming? Why should I listen to you? Either you're trolling or you're trying desperately to find minute perceived inconsistencies in the vegan lifestyle to justify your own blatantly immoral behavior.

[@sajfen]

"Why are you kicking that dog?" "Well, I saw you kick a rock earlier and since biological features is an irrelevant factor when we constructor moral frameworks so kicking this dog is basically the same thing as kicking a rock" "WHAT?!"

[@TheLegendOfLame]

This guy is all about "let me finish" but then cuts of Ed 1000x times

[@carolinewiggins2803]

I don't think Ed even finished one sentence in the whole debate. The guy even had the arrogance to say to Ed what he thought Ed would say in answer while not letting Ed answer!! Oh my lord!!

[@teallevi823]

Yes!

[@maxwaring530]

who else watches ed for comebacks and how to answer when people criticise you

[@mynamejeff7872]

@@Baby_m0thh Are you really satisfied with the thought of stealing other people's ideas and passing them off as your own? I really doubt that, so I'd suggest developing your own arguments, then using everything in your arsenal to take those arguments apart. That's how you should be developing arguments. It's like building your house out of straw, sticks and bricks then testing the durability of each house and living in the one that will keep you safest. Your future self will thank you if you drop the pseudo intellectual act and pursue objective thinking.

[@luizaculau2541]

me !!

[@aprildiamond6510]

Maxxy Wxringg !!!!

[@HPS2O31]

@@Baby_m0thh lol your mad!

[@lunaticwave6707]

Maxxy Wxringg I study his videos so much!

[@heethanthen706]

“Why is it wrong to be a victim?” Off to a fantastic start there...

[@alekale6519]

He’s so wrong, if you were very calmly threatening him in another language, he also wouldn’t understand

[@owencampbell7956]

AleKale yeah that was a terrible argument by him. Any baby wouldn’t understand it also if he threatened them calmly

[@toastwh0re]

If someone started scratching me and saying "I'm gonna kill you" they'd be dead first 😂

[@haydo8373]

I probably wouldn't have grasped that concept if it wasn't for the demonstration 😂

[@GlennMarshallnz]

To be fair if someone was threatening him in English he also wouldn't understand.

[@fabianbianan]

As a philosphy student it makes me sick listening to that dude trying to use philosphy as an excuse for killing animals.

[@jos9559]

late reply, but as a fellow philosophy student, you have to hear him out. i have, and i disagree with him (i think that we can grant that pleasure/pain are good/bad as our foundations). just because hes using our subject to argue for something with which we violently disagree does not mean that we can fob it off. you have to hear his case and provide good objections, rather than dismiss. the questions hes raising do have some philosophical merit imo

[@dialecdicks3255]

Same omg, I’ve never cringed so hard in my life. This guy was literally moving like Descartes with his views on animals.

[@TheSurpremeLogician]

@@jos9559 you can use a philosophical idea or whatever to deem anything acceptable.

[@jos9559]

@@TheSurpremeLogician i have no idea what you are trying to show by saying that. it is true that for any statement, there probably exists a philosophical idea which, if true, means that the statement is true. but this doesnt mean that the philosophical idea is actually true. all im saying is that even though i disagree with his arguments, you still have to hear out his philosophy to be able to argue against it. you cant dismiss his argument by simply saying 'it makes me sick that hes using philosophy'

[@TheSurpremeLogician]

@@jos9559 what questions in particular that he raised has philosophical merit?

[@pphils14]

“Im not religious but souls tho”

[@angierose1143]

And he has morality, but theres only morality if there is a god

[@TXRhody]

And Ed has no morality because he doesn't believe in a god, but Ed is the one NOT stabbing animals in the neck unnecessarily.

[@itswrongtokillanimalsifyou2837]

pffhahahaHAHAHA, was thinking the same thing. Well put!

[@WorldOfARandomVegan]

He's so hypocritical.

[@Avenger222]

+Ilowa I think Angie was quoting the random guy. The whole "only objective morals come from God; therefore, bible = objective" is a giant meme.

[@theRhen34]

This man has never considered animal rights or veganism before but he took an intro to philosophy class once so obviously he knows everything there is to know

[@gcoffee3231]

🤣

[@pirds102010]

To be fair, it is irrelevant, he doesn't need to, because his belief is, that animals are kind of robots.

[@cheez1903]

​@@pirds102010 feel like the comment is still valid doe, he is using dense philosophy coupled with unfalsifiable claims to justify his behaviour. He claims that humans have a sould that makes us different from any other animal, this can't be known, or at the very least it isn't knon right now. With some knowledge of evolutionary biology there are reasons to even believe that animals would feel pain to a deeper extent than humans, this is speculation but it is based in the fact that we can avoid undesirable stuff (predators, or any harm) in huge part by our intelligence/ability to abstract, since animals can't do this, it makes sense to believe that they would rely more on their crude physical sensations such as pain to avoid such harms. He says animals are just mechanical biological robots but we share a common ancestor with every single life form, the general hardware we have has been developed in an identically before we split with other apes in the evolutionary tree, meaning that when it comes to general sensations, pain is probably a shared thing with most animals, given that it is a sensation that would promote evolution (as an example people that don't feel pain are in risk of having many health problems/injuries that could kill them if not rutinely checked) He also says morality is ultimately just personal preference (I don't think ed readily agreed) which is true, or at least I share that opinion, this doesn't invalidate morality, even if relative and just an random evolutionary trait that helped us survive, the fact is that it is still there, it still exists, whether objective or subjective, and acting in disacordance with it is inmoral by definition, even if subjective. It kinda seems like this guy probs just got a intro class to philosophy and he used this to post-hoc rationalise, he did say some animal treatment is cruel, so despite animals just being mechanical robots, they still hold some moral consideration? Surely if what he values if the sould, and animals lack this, he wouldn't extend moral value to them. I think he probably has the normal intuition that harming animals is fucked up but this is in tension with his actions, and his metaphysical views on souls act as a way to overcomplicate animal rights. Long response, tl:dr, scientifically there is no reason to believe we are significantly different from animals, at least in crude pain sensations and other things, the big difference is the ability to abstract and stuff like language. Morality being subjective doesn't matter and he probably is using intro philosophy knowledge to in a way post hoc justify his actions, through a worldview that isn't supported by any empirical method of study or science, it doesn't even stem from non-experiential deductive or inductive logic.

[@Anubis424242]

Reminds me of a flat earther I know. He took a philosophy class and a critical thinking class, but can't actually use critical thinking, hence the flat Earth crap.

[@maximilianhubner4851]

" when u kick a dog, the dog doesnt experience pain, his body just reacts to an injury. " God help this poor man

[@brocklesnar3802]

Hahaha 😝

[@isaiah5621]

As you bring God into a conversation, that must prescribe your religious which would end this whole argument

[@FeloLato]

I won't.

[@mchobbit2951]

And he says that he loves dogs. He clearly does not.

[@robsengahay5614]

Yet we euthanize our pets and dogs to end their pain and suffering. Or perhaps this man believes that we do that for our own pleasure because the dog or cat is not feeling pain and isn’t aware of its own mortality so I wonder how he rationalises euthanasia for pets.

[@jinsakai8157]

Guy: "just let me finish my sentence". The same guy later on: *interrupts continuously for 30 min.

[@ASMRyouVEGANyet]

It was so irritating. He wasn't actually listening to anything Ed was saying. Just waiting until he could butt in and hear himself talk again.

[@TheGreyzer1]

Adam Kagan that’s because Ed is weak, tired and malnourished

[@Tuncapoo]

His ego is getting the best of him

[@milamnwalker4801]

"This dog doesn't speak english, nor can he tell the future, therefore he can't feel pain the way I do." -Donkey Of The Day

[@milamnwalker4801]

@getonfort : what did he mean then?

[@DiamondSquidy]

Grace the dude got tongue twisted that’s it... his point was clear there’s levels of sentience

[@salolyon3471]

Please don't insult the donkeys :(

[@matrusum7629]

@Grace because he didnt know how to reply, but he could have approached with another example. Visual threats which will any language speaker understand. I take a knife in my hand (or gun), and point to you and show with my finger that i will do an action with this weapon to harm you (very gently but visual understandable). You will understand, dog wont! Even tho you maybe never have been attacked by knife, you will acknowledge the threat. Animal wont UNLESS it has not experienced it before. But there is also a term for this, and it is called training. If dog learns that the gun means threat, and i switch to AK47 dog, again, wont understand what does it means. Human will! His point is clear. Animals are not at the same level as humans are. Thinking that they are is not logical. Humans have more potential for everything, they have more intellect, and dont react mostly on their instincts. Animals wont get this level of evolution in next thousands of years. Even if we dont interfere, most of the species wont evolve and will stay as animals due to many other factors. Diseases, other predators etc...

[@dhanushvarthiboina]

@@matrusum7629 I see you a sensible person , than a person who just speaks in a fast paced soft tone about morality and responsibilits and expects everyone to feel he is correct just because he is kind hearted ..example :- Earthling Ed

[@timart9]

Wow. What makes Ed brilliant at debating is not just his huge amount of knowledge and intelligence but his endless and generous amount of patience. He is a great example of human grace.

[@Ryan-0089]

My brain hurts... ed has such patience

[@cuppatae834]

Awww I love your picture! So cuuute.

[@jagodarogalska1030]

This other guy is the one with patience

[@Gaia2912]

i was to write the same... i got headhurts...

[@midna477]

This dude talks so much hes basically having a conversation with himself

[@ladydy2831]

lol

[@daniglezdguez]

Absolutelly, he is looking to the air like searching for some excuses on his dead brain, holly molly XD

[@tremix2963]

Not everyone in the world is going to be vegan, and no matter how much people teach me, I’m always going to be an omnivore.

[@toouniquetobe]

@@tremix2963 That is where you are factually wrong- humans are not omnivores like bears or dogs. You will get a butt cancer in your 50s more likely. Good going.

[@Ganpignanus]

'i don't need to morally justify it'. thinks every violent criminal...

[@gliocchiali6075]

I think Dahmer would think the same lol

[@kubush]

Is killing a fetus morally justified?

[@mrs6100]

Ganpignanus .Gianni you are probably right, if we asked a psychopath that question he might say he doesn’t have to morally justify murder. Is it not true that everyone has their own beliefs and judgment and the point is that we all judge ourselves and judge others?

[@jaymakay]

@@kubush Good question. I think it could be if it's out of necessity like he talked about. I think about the future population. "The current world population of 7.6 billion is expected to reach 8.6 billion in 2030, 9.8 billion in 2050 and 11.2 billion in 2100, according to a new United Nations report being launched June 2017" We can hardly sustain the population where it's at, so what's going to happen after that? If every baby was born because abortions were illegal, that would add to the problem of overpopulation. Now, personally I couldn't bring myself to get an abortion unless it was necessary for my survival for some reason, because it's not totally morally right to kill any sentient being. But morals are a spectrum like most things. Nothing's just black and white.

[@ataraxiaooo3535]

kubush fetuses are not sentient while in early stages of development.

[@glttrbby]

This is what it’s like arguing with a narcissist: they demand to finish their point while never letting you speak. Take things on irrelevant tangents but require you to stick to their points. Extremely frustrating, there is no way to see and be seen with these people.

[@tylersnow75]

The guy talks like he’s jerking himself off

[@sofiabrasil]

yes and you can see how high he thinks of himself and all his "intellectualness" and "rationality"...... just this fact alone is icky.

[@pirds102010]

but this is completely normal for narcissists, they think of them as the highest, like climate protesters or woke people often. If you think you are perfect or "so good", "better than the rest" you already lost. You can improve so much, you cannot imagine! Self improvement, responsibility instead of complaining. Get vegan for example, I try this for sure and nobody can be perfect.@@sofiabrasil

[@Youtubedeletedmyoldhandle]

@@pirds102010 climate protestors dont think they are better than anyone else, they literally risk their safety and freedom to draw attention to issues the only way they have ever been solved (disruption of government or day to day services until it becomes something that is costing the government money) all to protect your freedoms like freedom of expression, freedom to protest or freedom to live in a world that isnt being destroyed. And all for people who they know will hate them for it. You cant compare that to a narcissist. Im not even a protestor but its such a npc vibe to hate on protestors lol

[@christiane710]

So so so true

[@frenchlearner19]

"I believe animals are like biological machines." Human arrogance at it's finest.

[@veganvvarrior]

Dorn many people who eat meat and dairy products take the most ridiculous stands when debating vegans. To me it is a clear sign that they are actually conflicted, bust just so uncomfortable with the thought of being wrong that they end up sounding like lunatics. Like people claiming that no life have value, including their own and shit like that just to be logically consistent.

[@veganvvarrior]

Sam I don’t believe in the soul either, that has absolutely nothing to do with anything. Life’s value doesn’t stem from an outsiders opinion. Neither you or I can claim that life has no value, because it is the individuals will to live that dictates the value of their life. You can on the other hand argue that from a broader perspective individuals life doesn’t have any value. Anyone of us can die any day, and many people die every day without it affecting the state of the world. Same goes for animals of course. But value of life isn’t based on value in such a broad scale. Laws aren’t written based on if you murder less than 2% of the countries population it’s ok, for a reason. I have serious doubts that anyone actually believe life has no value if you start to dissect their arguments. It is just something lost teenagers and meat eaters claim ;)

[@DiamondSquidy]

veganvvarrior when I debate against a vegan I don’t think I sound ridiculous I feel like I’m allot smarter than the dumbass who I’m debating Bc their vegan.... they bring up the same few things in every debate and base it off of morality and that’s it

[@raskolnikov3799]

@Sam I agree completely. I think more people should study philosophy, and it would make conversation like the one presented in the video much more productive.

[@plants_before_people5329]

@@DiamondSquidy maybe because those arguments are important and valid? Climate change is caused partly by greenhouse gases, is it wrong to bring those up in every debate? Also there are many more points that moral. Pandemics outbreaks, climate change, antibiotic resistant bacteria. Those are also for a large part caused by animal agriculture

[@dreamsaresharedhere_]

First "plants feel pain tho" now "animals don't feel pain" we are regressing

[@anuravindranath8733]

EXACTLY!!!

[@richardmoores]

They make up reality as they see fit

[@dreamsaresharedhere_]

Random Boredom Productions Plants are obviously living things... it's just silly to say they are sentient. Plants don't experience life like come on. This argument is dumb because whether you're vegan or not, you eat plants

[@dreamsaresharedhere_]

Random Boredom Productions Guy, okay maybe plants do have some sort of experiential consciousness, but slicing an apple definitely doesn't give the human a feeling of disturbance, but seeing slaughter house footage of a cow's throat getting sliced open does. Doesn't that tell you something? Yes it does, it means that one is food and the other is a species living on earth with us. There's a reason we can dice tomatoes and not tear flesh off an animal and eat it. There's also a reason why slaughter houses are hidden and behind closed doors, because it's morally wrong and we were given that compass

[@dreamsaresharedhere_]

Random Boredom Productions Vegans don't think they're better than everyone else, but we definitely get frustrated at silly arguments like yours. And frankly I don't even know why i'm wasting my energy on this.

[@Blindsyde5762]

Having this debate with a sociopath has to be frustrating

[@jquanclarke1049]

Well I guess im also one

[@netxyz00]

Great way to convince meat eaters that they are all sociopath:-)

[@2quick4u54]

Most people in this world are sociopaths anyway.

[@attilanemeth8215]

yes poor guy in the baseball cap

[@Blindsyde5762]

@@netxyz00 I certainly don't think that , but the specific arguments the guy was using sounded pretty shitty when he was saying he doesn't care about the pain of the animals.

[@icedtea4924]

why do some people have the audacity to think morals don't exist without god. Thats so scary

[@toouniquetobe]

Looks like someone told him to think that. Just as he accused Ed for it haha, ironic.

[@김한얼재학영미문학]

Moral over gods.

[@AsmaaPurity]

@@김한얼재학영미문학 It's God who put morals and rules, how come you make thinks upside down!

[@feefriz]

Why do some people have the audacity to assume there is a god?

[@hawk2million]

​@@AsmaaPurity which God?

[@nicogs97]

He reminds me of the students in class who don’t do the reading but still try to participate in the discussion of the reading

[@FrenchComprehensibleInput]

hahahah I like the comparision mate, quite true!

[@marishasveganworld2240]

Nicolas Gonzalez exactly!

[@joshuafoubert8474]

Lol that was me as a child but then when the teacher asked me I still knew what they were talking about which surprised them

[@ladydy2831]

Oh yeah

[@justinghamandi]

underrated comment, dawg i died when i read this

[@davidjandrow1098]

this guy is cringe-factor to the max

[@wilkinsos]

Yeah that´s exactly what i feel too.. So much cringe it hurts.

[@samuricexful]

Haha, Yeah, Ed is so much cringe!

[@sierraalexandra7630]

@@samuricexful and yet you're still here

[@sierraalexandra7630]

@Rickie j and one triggered corpse muncher

[@sierraalexandra7630]

@Rickie j ... okay?

[@LukeLane1984]

Person A: Hey, I killed your dog yesterday. Person B: What? Are you crazy? Person A: Don't worry, I ate it afterwards, made burgers out of it. Person B: Ah, OK, it's fine then.

[@crispkiller1157]

So the person A killed a Carnivore(dog) and made burger patty out of it..... Dafuk does that when you have cattle(herbivore) animals..?

[@bijanae]

Cont. Person A: It wasn't out of necessity but it tasted good.

[@creativeschmuck8132]

@@crispkiller1157 Who said you are supposed to eat herbivores and not carnivores

[@crispkiller1157]

@@creativeschmuck8132.. who said you can't eat grass?

[@creativeschmuck8132]

@@crispkiller1157 But grass is not digestable is it? A dog and a cow are equal in that sense. Both can sustain us.

[@golden2993]

The entire debate is like Ed: "Do you think animals feel pain like us?" the guy: "No, I don't think animals have awareness of the future."

[@benwaggler3541]

"See what happens when I threaten this dog? Clearly god didn't give it a soul."

[@glenjimen1234]

This guy could be the worst one yet. Shocking that people are this thick.

[@stratobay]

Disagree

[@milderaddiction8865]

The worst part is he thinks he is a philosophical genius

[@darith770]

I was going to post the same comment! He's the worse yet

[@Guusje83]

Worst means sausage in Dutch

[@stephenpagett2848]

glenjimen1234 This guy show Ed to be so very shallow as he does not actually believe in anything apart from not harming and killing animals - complete hypocrisy.

[@dcudd.y6454]

The woman behind them was about to have a stroke trying to listen to this man rattle off his nonsense lmao

[@4kmedia2023]

Sometimes you got to let them talk to know how smart they are

[@TheGreyzer1]

D Cudd.y probably because she was lacking nutrients

[@Bardo_de_Goya]

luke bee, wow, you’re such a comedy genius: never heard that one before.

[@Jr-iz1dg]

Taken in

[@leangainzlabelle4544]

So was I.

[@joshuarogers5346]

It litterally hurts my brain listening to this guy

[@fabianhernandez6339]

It really hurts me reading this comment

[@joshuarogers5346]

The scroll to one thats easier to figure out a clever response

[@autumn5852]

Joshua Rogers which one?

[@joshuarogers5346]

The one who cant get the idea its wrong to hurt animals

[@autumn5852]

Joshua Rogers 👍🏽 cheers although I don’t think the can’t get the idea that it’s wrong to hurt animals, so much as it’s not wrong to him and without a belief in god or a higher spirit or the creator or whatever, who’s to say that one person’s belief is any more valid than the other? One believes it’s ok to kill animals for food etc, the other doesn’t, who’s to say which one is right?

[@ABDER333]

What this was, was an example of a person who loves the sound of their own voice

[@stewartmoore5158]

Vegan: "Pain is bad" Non-vegan: "How do you know pain is bad?" Vegan: "Would you like it if I punched you?" Non-vegan: "Okay, but that's different" Vegan: "How so" Non-vegan: "Because humans are special" Vegan: "How do you know humans are special?" Funny how they ask for evidence that animals feel pain but believe humans are special without a shred of evidence.

[@MrTuttiFrutti]

Their common argument when they lack logical one, "Because God said so" 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@caitlin4576]

@@kaloianmarinov7581 Your personal religion shouldn't dictate what sentient being gets to live or die; everyone has their own beliefs, just because you believe in a sadistic, cruel "god" that apparently created sentient beings that can feel pain and fear, only for them to live lives of torture that end in slaughter, doesn't make it right. I'd say something is severely wrong with you for even thinking it's okay to worship such a heartless deity - but again, your PERSONAL RELIGION is only your own. It does not dictate what should live or die. Do not push your religion on others, or weakly justify ending lives over it. That's sick.

[@caitlin4576]

@@kaloianmarinov7581 You believe atheists can't sense right from wrong, all while having insanely skewed, sickening morals. So sad.

[@edwarddongres7866]

Vegan: "Pain is bad" Non-vegan: "Did you ask wolves?"

[@edwarddongres7866]

Vegan: "Would you like it if I punched you?" Non-vegan: "Make my day! Do you feel lucky today punk?"

[@LiveLoveSour]

Im about 25% of the way through this video. I had to pause and comment on how grateful I am for activists like Ed because Im growing impatient even listening to this from the comfort of my home.

[@cristopherdominguez9425]

Same here! I don't know how Ed brings that much patience. I wanted to punch that guy in the face so many times!

[@ReizenCreations]

Retarded vegans

[@KAZ2648]

CoRpusTricking 🖕

[@Battleborn357]

@@cristopherdominguez9425 And you are the problem. Merely disagreeing w/ Veganism(whether wrong or right) makes you want to bring physical harm to others. And you wonder why people think most Vegans are insane.

[@accidentallyvegan4life399]

agreed i'm not even that far yet. Ed is so amazing cos I annoyed by him in less then 2 minutes.

[@mooshboint]

If animals have no anticipation of the future, why does the word "bath" send my dog running for the hills? 😂

[@jonjonwp]

Good one !

[@IwasBlueb4]

nic llllolllll that was v v funny

[@Simplymisssarah]

🤣🤣🤣

[@biorythmicshifter]

My dog gets excited when I mention taking a ride...and hides when I mention “bath”.

[@gabsdonati]

Aha! So Dogs DO understand English! XD

[@JordanCalifornia27]

It's sad to see the lack of compassion in other human beings 💔

[@Joey21363]

This guy sounds like he's been using reddit for an unhealthy amount of time.

[@ronja_kkat]

One more minute of this debate and he'd pull out some incel shit

[@shin-ishikiri-no]

@@ronja_kkat Nah, the incels are actually quite the comedians. They have their own vocabulary and memes. lol

[@abbyboyd4422]

“Hold on let me finish my point” *continues to interrupt Ed every time he starts to speak*

[@kevinmcd112]

Dear Ed, A wise man once said, "Arguing with an idiot is like playing chess with a pigeon, no matter how good you are, the bird will just sh*t on the board and strut around like it won." Don't waste your time with this guy or his ilk.

[@wokeaf1337]

That's why u don't play chess with pigeons, u eat them .)

[@AYAmusicish]

"Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. " Mark Twain

[@gedrooney9305]

‘Don’t waste your time with this guy or his ilk’ Surely that would defeat purpose of Ed’s videos? How liberal of you, how alarmingly vapid..your arrogance is astounding you silly soul

[@jean6453]

@@gedrooney9305 You right, this silly man arguing with Ed is very entertaining : )

[@AnuRMusicVideos]

Unfortunately my friend is this way and it really hurts. :(

[@heatheran4783]

The arrogance of sociopaths is always shocking to me.

[@aaronburnslees9832]

This man just tried to argue that he can't make a good argument because "the English language doesn't have enough vocabulary"...

[@syzyphyz]

English contains more words than any other language because it is a trade language and just adopts vocabulary from other languages, so the world's most expansive language isn't enough for this guy.

[@abby6792]

Did Ed debate in his school days? Or uni? His debating skills (your debating skills if you read this Ed) are honestly impeccable. You know how to be respectful, articulate and how to deal with these irritating situations, THANK YOU.

[@channel111100]

Yeah, I wish I could debate like Ed 😂

[@knockel18]

I couldn't agree more

[@ophylarussositzia5982]

He talks about this in his podcast check it out!

[@andytaylor5563]

He's brilliant

[@retiredtidepodeater3339]

The cult of veganism & moral victories 😂😂

[@nancybender3076]

Wow, someone likes to hear himself talk. And it's not Ed.

[@IntoTheUnknownnnnnnn]

Nancy Bender you’re right it’s Ed’s borderline personality. He’s accessed his “other side”.

[@ASMRyouVEGANyet]

Exactly. He won't shut the hell up long enough to actually LISTEN

[@jackflicker8577]

This was by far the most difficult debate to watch on your channel.

[@deanlowdon8381]

There’s plenty of competition. Listening to some of these people’s reasons for eating meat is painful at times.

[@carlmarx7855]

*Guy kneels down* Ed: “you don’t need to do this”😂😂

[@Nour-mx3uu]

Guy: "agghh i wanna kill you aghhh" Dog: Excuse me ? Guy: ...

[@NickwatchesYTtho]

I'm glad I wasn't the only one who thought that was a funny bit.

[@lisa-sz8jj]

I would have to hold back from kicking him in his face and tell him to step away from the dog. Whether it was his dog or anyone elses. Im vegan and don't believe in violence or murder but if anyone _did_ deserve it ... Bloody hell. It's Animal cruelty making these human activists listen to his pathetic moronic excuses for "arguments" 😣

[@danse-move]

LMAO 😂😂😂 that was too funny. “You don’t need to do this. You don’t need to do this” That guy made a fool of himself

[@freddiemercury4evr]

No way would I allow that psycho to touch or even speak to my dog!

[@akuma2892]

This was extremely difficult to watch... so much respect for you, Ed.

[@davidgiardina5424]

Indeed

[@belindahaynes3302]

This was seriously hard to watch. How sad is it that people actually think this way? This man made me sick to listen to him. He has no awareness... His ignorance makes my head spin. Ed is amazing. I couldn't talk to this mental fossil without wanting to smack the shit out of him.

[@mrgankface8687]

Akuma why no eat animal

[@theprimitivista]

"why does it matter if there's a victim?" I would have been too scared to continue talking to someone who is so clearly emotionally deranged.

[@kellemese6252]

He was clearly a psycho. But at least an open and not a covert one. I would have stopped talking to him at that point too, waste of energy

[@theprimitivista]

Open about it only because he seems to truly be unaware of his own lack of empathy, which is also sad

[@anneshaughnessy2754]

This guy is just like my mother. It's impossible to have an intelligent conversation about this with her. Actually, almost everyone in my family is like this. I can't get over this. It's sooooo frustrating!

[@falsehoodbasher7240]

and then hate your *compassion* ! like *compassion* is some kinda freak trait while they're The freaks devoid of it

[@AmeliaLidstrom]

My family is also like this

[@pirds102010]

stay away from them. They won't help you to move forward in life. I know it is hard, but you don't HAVE to stay at your family. If they are completely different and toxic for your mind, just leave. And then they will wonder around "whywhywhy??" The world doesn't need people who stay the same their whole life. It really doesn't need these people and they won't come far in the world of tomorrow. Don't let your kids be in their environment. Our kids must be different, otherwise they will suffer and or die.

[@pirds102010]

compassion is only nice when it comes with responsibility, what many people lack nowadays@@falsehoodbasher7240

[@nikkis8827]

I felt like the woman with glasses for this entire debate. Her facial expressions said it all.

[@lotrec100]

Sooo agree.. Face priceless.. Giys an idiot !! Fancy a night of pleasure with him... Yak!!!

[@Shy__wolf]

Yeah!! It takes strength to hold your tongue in those situations.

[@theoneatyourdoor87]

I feel like a deaf person could like at her face and know exactly what the conversation was.

[@todaysrealhealth8038]

She deserves a pampering vegan spa day and a big basket of fruit.

[@baileybennett4724]

Suddenly I feel a lot less safer knowing this dude is running around free in the streets

[@epicfly4319]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Colby_Purrins801]

aidsbrigade Joey also completely transformed his entire lifestyle after finally recognizing the damage he was causing to himself and others. He did his time in prison. He also WASN’T vegan until he was in prison and had the real time to self reflect. He doesn’t shy away from his past, either. He expresses what he’s done, he’s broadcasted it and we as people have the beautiful ability to completely change for the better. Go plant based for a better life. Just food for thought 🌱💜🙏🏻

[@IwasBlueb4]

what a stupid comment...and 269 idiots liked it....

[@IwasBlueb4]

@@Colby_Purrins801 best comment by far

[@blair3264]

Why?

[@Sickvibe1]

4:56 There actually was a scientific meetup where top scientists declared that animals ARE sentient

[@Steetotal]

Exactly. Here you go: "Non-human animals experience physical and emotional feelings" (Neuroscientists - The Cambridge Declaration of Consciousness, 2012).

[@sBSonicR]

"But you must first understand the study and be able to do it and prove it yourself from scratch, don't go just citing studies". This hurts to listen, he just antagonizes everything and tries to make it reasonable. He must be a great debater in whatever side he's placed, but mostly relying on void arguments and enormous confidence and authority. He has some knowledge, yet seems to not be taking the best out of it.

[@Sickvibe1]

@@sBSonicR When I heard that I was asking myself if that guy thinks the earth is round ? If gravity exists ? If yes, then he must have understood the studies proving that and explain why these are the way they are without citing Newton

[@ASMRyouVEGANyet]

But he needs more language! You can't describe it with just the Latin and Greek words! 😂😂😂

[@thescienceofit]

This guy is hilarious. He asks questions, Ed answers them (very impressively), and he constantly shifts his goalposts and rearranges his questions

[@spiritualgangster__]

You cannot reason with the unreasonable.

[@FIshfood500]

Is Ed reasonable

[@pax7061]

FIshfood500 Absolutely.

[@aprildiamond6510]

Kate - !!!!!!

[@whydontyouhateme]

What you said is unreasonable

[@JH-ki9xb]

I think to put animals and humans on the same level is unreasonable

[@suzanajosic9501]

"Why is it wrong to cause the pain?" Do these ppl hear themselves when they talk? WTF

[@xedgexpax]

I know. lmao

[@mahadev1483]

That is very disturbing and cruel... :(

[@gliocchiali6075]

This is what happened when you have no good reason not be vegan and you're left with crazy excuses

[@kellemese6252]

Psychopaths

[@jos9559]

actually not necessarily. he was trying to be philosophical and in philosophical circles or debate, questions which may appear psychopathic are actually necessary to ask sometimes

[@jojrab5207]

8:15 That part where he talks to the dog is pure cringe.

[@doyalaundry]

He 110% has a personality disorder

[@Reem.H.A]

i had to skip that the cringe was too much for me

[@coulissart]

Ed: "You don't need to do this.."

[@xxxcam3372]

I had to stop the video, the cringe shower nearly drowned me

[@LastBrigadiez]

Why did he have to do it to a dog why couldn’t he just explain it

[@michaelt5017]

This man is confusing sentience with intelligence; they are two entirely different things. Amazing how tolerant and patient Ed is. "It's hard to win an argument with a smart person, but it's damn near impossible to win an argument with a stupid person"

[@davidt8087]

Funny the humans who keep using the "inteligent" argument are never intelligent. It's like they're compensating for their lack of intelligence by constantly trying to remind others that "humans are more inteligent Than animals" so they can feel included in the inteligent club, the club that 99% of humans aren't part of and never can be. No wonder they're insecure.

[@absolutezeromusicofficial]

Ed's a patient man but my god he was being tested here.

[@ixataca9596]

Harder still are those that feigns or denies them

[@michaelfischer1979]

If somebody is wondering why some vegans value animals higher than humans, just send them this video. I am normally against any form of violence (outside of a dojo), but this guy really makes it hard to not want to punch his face. Amazing how you can stay so calm. Good job, Ed.

[@coldstrawberryblood]

Rip xD

[@Bunjamin72]

😹😹😹😹

[@WorldOfARandomVegan]

He is being deliberately obtuse.

[@WorldOfARandomVegan]

And when he gets heart disease, he won't even know why.

[@DeonaHerbals]

Yep, five finger death punch right there. I'd have lost my cool and moved on. Great job Ed!✌❤🌱🕉

[@danielorme5030]

"...This is gonna be super fun to see on the internet later when you guys edit me into being a psycho..." (*No edit...still appears to be a psycho).

[@opheliarathmore7829]

ahahaha frrr tho

[@joepsnuiters4384]

A whole unedited conversation is uploaded haha

[@opheliarathmore7829]

@@joepsnuiters4384 ikr?

[@cyberfunk3793]

Psycho because he understands philosophy?

[@lilbatty]

@@cyberfunk3793 the study of philosophy when taken seriously, impedes scientific progress, undermines moral conviction and erodes the very sense of patriotism and loyalty necessary for a thriving democratic republic such as ours.

[@silviasantos9364]

'Why is it wrong to cause them pain, just because they feel?' Is he serious?

[@fishzima]

He is serious. That's how "othering" works. That's how every genocide works. He BELIEVES in a "soul". Where's this soul? How does he know other people have any sentience?

[@Lerian_V]

@@fishzima The soul is the spiritual aspect of you, that by which you resemble God the most. You are a union of a body and a soul.

[@RTR15Glenn]

@@Lerian_V can you provide any evidence for either of those claims. I'm aware of evidence that strongly shows that our conciousness is tied only to our brain, and I'm unaware of any evidence for a soul existing

[@Lerian_V]

@@RTR15Glenn What type of evidence are you looking for? I'm aware of the evidence that the brain is the gateway through which our physical bodies access our consciousness, and I'm unaware of any evidence that consciousness is produced by the brain. The soul (or consciousness) is the principle of life. It is the "form" of the body and animates the body. It's not hidden someplace within the body but rather it is a greater reality that includes the body.

[@RTR15Glenn]

@@Lerian_V what I mean is evidence other than anecdotal. How would we learn about the soul or find out what the process is or how it works? And take someone like a split brain patient for example, what happens is essentially you have two different personalities inhabiting the same brain that are both unaware of each other and can have contradictory beliefs.

[@ThindiGee]

I had the feeling that this narcissist actually managed to frustrate Ed. His patience and that he was able to end this debate on an agreement was most impressive. I would have walked away cursing early on in the conversation. How in the world does he keep his calm?

[@kkunkel8]

Love your work Ed, but listening to this guy your debating was very painful. Kudo's to you for your hard work.

[@LeeDowningKeat]

So much patience

[@emmabennett769]

Yeh I would’ve walked away after 1 min of his babbling hahhaa

[@sounanya3]

"you're"! sounded like you said Ed's debating was painful

[@mcsplinxz9668]

He's only doing it for money, how comes he don't have a job

[@sounanya3]

you think he's rich? any proof he's doing it for money? is having a pointless job to have money and spend it on meaningless pleasure more respectful than spending all your time and risking your mental health for a non-selfish issue? think again.

[@chrism95]

This guys argument is literally, "i dont care that I hurt animals" and he made up random sentences to try to convince himself that his feelings toward something are an argument for it

[@KyleRBell-pe7yy]

You do realize most people don't care about the bloody animals. And they never will. What vegans fail to understand is the world will never be vegan under any set of circumstances.

[@aa-tp6oh]

@@KyleRBell-pe7yy 2.7% of the world is vegan and that number is growing every day. In 2019 vegan growth was so high that The Economist called the year "The Year of the Vegan". 14% of the world is vegetarian, vegan, or other related diets. You're incorrect in your assumptions here.

[@KyleRBell-pe7yy]

@@aa-tp6oh I never said it wasn't growing. Nor did I state any percentages because they're minuscule. And to state it's growing everyday is a hyperbole. I said the world will never go vegan. Point blank. Which it won't for a plethora of different reasons I won't get into because I'd be writing for hours. To put it simply, the infrastructure will never be there on a global economic scale because it's not sustainable. Unilever wouldn't allow it, they already have their share of vegan profits, which pales in comparison to the bulk of their net profits. And that's just one of the corporations involved.

[@aa-tp6oh]

@@KyleRBell-pe7yy It seems you don't have all the facts on sustainability of veganism. I suggest you watch this video. kzbin.info/www/bejne/iZTFloCajtB-esU Also, did I give any numbers to how much veganism was growing? How can you say it's a hyperbole when I didn't give any numbers at all? One person a day switching to veganism means it's growing. A net gain of 1 person per year going vegan means it's growing. You cannot say I am using a hyperbole when I gave you zero numbers. What I can do though, is tell you that in 3 years veganism grew 600% in the US alone. I think you sorely misunderstand the growth of veganism across the globe. Why do you think so many companies are adopting plant based meals? 2.7% of the US is not miniscule, that's roughly 10 million people. 14% of the world is not miniscule. That is roughly 1,074,360,000 people. Is that miniscule to you? It seems you have a guttural reaction to these facts because you don't want to be on the wrong side of the issue. I suggest you look for facts, use them in your arguments (it'll make you look better), and then consider where you lay with your moral standpoint on the issue rather than going and spreading misinformation in KZbin comments, lol.

[@KyleRBell-pe7yy]

@@aa-tp6oh I followed a vegan diet for 2 years. Watched Cowspiracy, Earthlings, etc. You aren't speaking to someone who is ignorant to the misinformation that's spread. Also, I'm not a supporter of factory farming. I buy my meat, dairy, and eggs from local farmers.

[@tissue869]

Not hurting someone if they don't want to be hurt isnt christianity, it's called common sense and compassion..

[@juliamarinasenapassarelli7829]

​@Prairiedoggen That's just dumb, lol. If we stop feeding the plants to animals and eat the plants directly, less plants will be killed. That's the second law of thermodynamics. Also, billions of tons of fertilizer are being used right now for soy monoculture, to feed livestock.

[@piggychocostitch5679]

@Prairiedoggen In response to the website link - it states that plants have a similar response to us when they are damaged, not that they feel pain. It actually states that "Plants don’t have nervous systems" - the sensation of pain is transmitted through nerves and so without a nervous system, plants cannot feel pain. And as for the video - he says himself that the 'screams' heard from plants when they are damaged are caused by gas bubbles and it is not known if they are actually speaking or not. And unlike animals, plants no not have a brain. They cannot feel pain, and they cannot experience emotional responses. But, even if I am wrong, even if plants 'scream', - it is widely known that animals experience pain, grief and fear and can be lastingly traumatised by things they experience. That is a fact, and I don't want to be any part of that if I can help it.

[@piggychocostitch5679]

@Prairiedoggen Plants cannot feel pain. They are not sentient and they do not feel fear, unlike animals.

[@piggychocostitch5679]

And I don't think that you are evil - I understand that you have a different lifestyle from me. All I want is that understanding in response and that you too have an understanding of what goes into producing animal products. Eating animals is a choice, but ideally it should be made based on facts and an understanding of just what exactly that choice means to the animals and the environment it may harm.

[@tissue869]

@Prairiedoggen just go vegan already jeez

[@halfaperson8967]

I'm currently rewatching all of Ed's debates and so many people just don't let Ed talk. They keep interrupting him and it's so frustrating.

[@tttyn2237]

Because he is a fuking hypocrite. By his logic. Plants life dont matter but animals do. His belief is right and others is not . Vegans are mental ill .

[@KhallDrake]

And all they do to play the victim is "let me finish!" after ed starts to raise a point that they feel they need to jump in and clarify before he can ask.

[@bizznick444joe7]

Because he's just going to keep pushing the goal posts

[@constantchange1145]

Yeh it's interesting, to me it's a classic example of being subconciously not ready to consider or confront this stuff within himself so he interrupts before Ed can explain the inconvenient truth.

[@markgillespie4630]

That hurt my head. Underneath that guy's cap there's a hamster on LSD running around on a spinning wheel.

[@EarthtoRosita]

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA

[@EvanNDoan-ry8vf]

Mark Gillespie lmao

[@Bromega30]

no LSD would have him awaken to the connectivity and equality of all life forms haha

[@Laxbroham60]

Mark Gillespie Im dead. You have killed me. It is your fault you immoral beast XD

[@lucastillery1685]

Hell that's too much credit

[@MsBlackAndWhiteKeys]

The women in the background with the anonymous for the voiceless t shirt is all of us.

[@ispectechular]

B. Obst I don’t why, but this had me dying! 😂

[@azadi444]

I‘m the blonde lady with the phone

[@gliocchiali6075]

@@azadi444 witnessing and recording the stupidity of humanity. Between religion and cognitive dissonance

[@azadi444]

Gli occhiali exactly

[@metanoiabooks3729]

B. Obst 😂😂👏👏👏💓

[@bradneufeld1925]

Thanks!

[@elala8850]

When this dude keeps interrupting Ed, is clear to say he is close-minded, refusing to take in any other facts except for facts he CHOSE to believe. lmao

[@KyleRBell-pe7yy]

And vegans chose to believe in their doctrine as well. Vegans aren't more conscious people because they don't advocate the suffering, torture, and death of animals. Yet, most act like they are more self-aware because of their man made ethics.

[@tsarina24honolulu87]

No this is based in science. Not belief. Why are you advocating cruelty?

[@CollagenExpert]

@@KyleRBell-pe7yy just like religion

[@bobmenat3361]

@@KyleRBell-pe7yy This is very dumb wow

[@valerieholt3625]

He repeatedly interrupted Ed, over and over and over again, but then demanded that Ed “let him finish”. So rude and selfish.

[@alicesshelter9719]

You're the best vegan activist I've ever watched

[@LeeDowningKeat]

Hes awesome isnt it

[@alicesshelter9719]

@@LeeDowningKeat oh yeah.)) Now when I watch i have an urge to go through screen and be there because he didn't use some good arguments and missed some points (haven't finished the video though). Vegan-activists always kinda fail when philosophy, isoteric or religion come in. Although this one is the best philosophy vs veganism arguments.

[@harveyplantharvester1502]

Alice's shelter Ed may not be the best but he's one of the most calm and composed. Unfortunately he does miss quite a few points and I agree he drops the ball in any kind of religious or spiritual discussion. He could really learn from Gary Yourofsky's speeches or Joey Carbstrong's debates on that topic, as both of them not only understand spirituality as opposed to organized religion, but are extremely open-minded to the concept & have well-thought out proper responses.

[@alicesshelter9719]

@@harveyplantharvester1502 i don't know who gary yourofsky is. But from what I saw Joey is worse at religious arguments. When the opponent has a completly different worldview Joey is just getting frustrated (i'm not against him at all, ge's doing a good thing, it's just sometimes he seems a bit agressive though i totally understand how those ppl might make u mad) When Ed tries to find issues, very politely.

[@harveyplantharvester1502]

Joey's very passionate and transparent so you can easily read his emotions, but he has a great ability to hold his composure when he's being attacked on all sides, like on TV shows. He also has a very impressive record of convincing people to become vegan, so I'd hardly say he was "worse" at anything. It would literally take you 2 seconds to find out who Gary Yourofsky is just by putting his name in a youtube search. He paved the way for these activists and practically convinced the whole country of Israel to go vegan.

[@dombower]

I don’t need to believe in a god to have decency and morals.

[@albertoscatto5796]

YES

[@WorldOfARandomVegan]

Thank you.

[@Matt-ww9wv]

That's wrong, Meshari. We live in a civilized world due to morals, some of which were meaningful and universally agreed upon enough to become laws. Morals are the baseline of what society believes is right and wrong and with inspection they guide us in maximizing our own well being. They give us the ability to experience lives significantly better than what is available through chaos and nature alone.

[@Matt-ww9wv]

Meshari, one topic at a time. You said there is no need for morals without God so I told you that most humans value civilization through human rights which can exist with or without a God. You agree, right?

[@Matt-ww9wv]

Wouldn't you say believing in human rights is a moral position? If there's no need for morality why not abandon all laws? Of course, this is opinions. But they consistent and they aim to maximize well being and minimize suffering. We can measure whether something is successful in that regard quite easily.

[@aana_sun]

wow, this guy just loves the sound of his own voice. Doesn't let anyone else finish their sentences.... just ego and ignorance. Hard to watch but Ed did great here standing his ground.

[@bizznick444joe7]

I wish I could enjoy the sound of my own voice

[@phantasticdrago230]

The lovely lady in the middle with glasses is a mood.

[@casual_dismay]

She's keeping her calm much better than I would 😅

[@EllenFisher]

u did so amazing staying calm ed, he never even gave you a chance to speak. so maddening

[@gennamosher6382]

Yes Ellen!!!! I love you! It’s so frustrating how people associate vegans and vegetarians with being these super mean and angry hippie type people when in nearly every one of these arguments this is how the meat-eater behaves...I was so happy to see you in these comments!!! Love your channel so much you’re super inspiring!!

[@christophermallett8166]

How you react to someone that has a different opinion to you says a lot about you. If getting mad is your default setting you should take a good look at your life

[@Me-bz7sw]

Christopher Mallett How you treat other beings on planets, not only human animals, tells a lot about you as well.

[@christophermallett8166]

@@Me-bz7sw that has nothing to do with my point. But thanks. Typical vegan side stepping bullshit.

[@slaygirlyboopop]

I would have started yelling and that guy would have clearly seen that I was mad😂

[@w3sb]

This man is VILE.

[@munick2441]

This guy has dangerous views and is really missing some screws. Ed you are awesome!

[@stelladavis7832]

I think he's normal, however, he's wrong on his views so now he's being interllectualy dishonest and going down the mental gymnastics hole and coming out a pretzel

[@shen164]

Your patience is a thing of beauty ❤

[@Heidi_137]

O, was thinking the very same!

[@nickshand]

So what is this guys point?? He’s just going off on massive irrelevant tangents to avoid debating the actual issue. Well done Ed for listening and asking questions..

[@SHADESLAVE]

Right?! He doesn't even know what his point is. He is trying to only convince himself lol

[@ceasefireforpalestine]

This guy wants to be a conscious spiritual person, but is caught in his own ego trap..he definitely needs to study up on compassion & empathy instead of complex philosophies that just end up making him look ignorant

[@ceasefireforpalestine]

@Harmony May i'd like to disagree,i mean...if this person is spiritual there are a ton of lessons and lectures specifically on this, and various things in life could influence someone to change. like look at joey carbstrong's story yk he was able to change ....but yeah if they're actual psychopaths then they're just too far gone

[@nasiatsekouras170]

He should be in the place of his victims! 🤬 Earthling Ed you are so incredibly patient and kind. I would lose it!

[@VeganFootsoldier]

Guy thought he was well intelligent but everything he said was entry level fallacy territory

[@DaleRoossien]

Yes, anyone who says morality is only obtained through belief in god is shallow minded.

[@TomVFormOfficial]

Footsoldier 32:40 ...we got into a intellectual debate... whaaaaaat...? Where is the intellect of this guy?

[@ASMRyouVEGANyet]

@@TomVFormOfficial 😂😂

[@jmarvosa6x3]

Hear, hear!

[@turbonbc]

The problem is, if you were truly intelligent, you wouldn't argue against common sense.

[@deiterroche7875]

A pseudo-spiritual-reductionist hybrid. Never thought I would see this specimen.

[@BurntFossil]

@@andrewzcolvin So am I, I didn't think people of this mentality actually existed! It's scary with the amount of ludicrous reasons he finds to justify killing something and his outlook on life, it's almost like the mind of a fucked up murderer, scary person indeed.

[@todaysrealhealth8038]

Deiter Roche well said

[@isaiahyoungbrown]

Ed: "You don't have to do this, You don't have to do this" Man: "I'm going to kill you" Dog: I'ma good boy

[@JK-cz1km]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@ReasonMakes]

This guy is the definition of speciesism. Literally using human supremacy arguments left and right. "We're special", "they're beneath us", and referring to them as 'it' and 'thing'.

[@kace9075]

That guy thinks he is clever but is actually nuts.

[@TheLegendOfLame]

@@misakistalker How is Ed a religious zealot? He's agnostic. That's basically saying "I think theres some sort of god, but idk what who/what they are."

[@TheLegendOfLame]

@@misakistalker veganism is not a religion, it's a lifestyle. It goes only in this life. A religion carries through life and past that. It's the belief in a higher power. Veganism is just believing animals shouldnt be exploited or harmed by humans for anything. And to say any belief system is a religion is absurd. Others and I believe we shouldn't have slaves. That's a belief system. Does that mean it's a religion? No. Believing we should or shouldnt do something on this earth without it relating to a higher power is not a religion. Do your research before you make such absurd claims.

[@TheLegendOfLame]

@@misakistalker you're generalizing, which means your argument is invalid. You may have had certain experiences with vegans before to have a perception like that about them, but to say all vegans are like that is a generalization, which is an invalid argument.

[@TheLegendOfLame]

@@misakistalker also, nothing about veganism is unhealthy, and it's a lifestyle, not just a diet. Numerous studies show that vegans live longer than non vegans, so to claim its unhealthy is rediculous (unless you think being healthy is living a short life, then yeah, i'd only call vegans unhealthy then)

[@TheLegendOfLame]

@@misakistalker Look up patrik Baboumian. He is 100% vegan. Idk if i'd call that lanky. You are merely misinformed and basing your judgment on your own biases

[@dombower]

Wtf “ if I kick a dog and that dog feels pain, how do we know it is conscious and actually feels that pain”. 6:40 wtf

[@PerpetuallyAnnoyed]

I like the woman in the background. Her eyes and facial expressions tell me she has a lot to say, but this isn't her conversation. Bless her heart...

[@antitheistvegan]

Seriously Ed, I know how difficult it is to have these kinds of conversations.. I hope you’re taking good care of yourself.

[@user-rh3jn4tf9c]

Here to learn about veganism and patience.

[@halolegendz101]

I hope that the people Ed debates end up watching these videos. Reflecting on the logic they use, seeing their perspective through a different paradigm (3rd person), and read the comment section lol.

[@0mega.mechan1c.]

An excellent observation, Nosher.

[@SofeeYAH]

dude i think this every single tiiimmee. they have to see how absolutely idiotic they are 🤦🏾‍♀️

[@anilaz07]

I hope so too.

[@jimbocarter7202]

Sir you have my like.

[@1316Salva]

I think that if they read this comment section of people calling them dumb for trying to find a defense for eating meat, which is something probably most of us have done, it would put them very much off veganism or at least with a hatred for vegans

[@infectedvoice7293]

01:20, why is it wrong to cause them pain?.......seriously dude, you are a grown ass man and you actually just asked that out loud??, thats a psychopathic question. How is so hard for people to fathom that compassion for living, feeling beings is a great trait in a person. His question is also a question 9 out of 10 rapists, child abusers and murderers ask.

[@kimberlybrown2999]

Agreed, holy hell that was chilling

[@splashgvng]

this is why i strongly believe people who eat meat are far more likely to commit violent and murderous crimes.

[@thepaleoconservativefortru5707]

He was making the clear distinction, animals have no soul. If no? Can you prove otherwise? No? Then shut up. Nobody is changing their mind. If I dont except your construct, it doesn't exist.

[@splashgvng]

@@thepaleoconservativefortru5707 ok but how can he/you prove that animals have no soul? its kind of a silly argument based on god fearing principals that only idiots accept as truth.

[@epicfly4319]

@@thepaleoconservativefortru5707 If you study deeply about soul. Soul and body aren't the same parts. We are souls but we have bodies. Bodies feel pain since it includes nervous system while souls don't.

[@dianasandoval3219]

He kept asking Ed to finish letting him talk yet he interrupted him through every valid point, trying to curve his words

[@austinbirch5154]

He believes in god but doesn’t have a definition of what his god is like. But that’s the center of his argument

[@100pmistry]

This guy likes to hear himself talk

[@plantplanetearth509]

Parth Exactly. It’s called “masterbatory” talking.

[@benward4538]

Parth what ed? Yeah you’re right about that

[@zenmint]

Of course not Ed. Hes the only one being logical lol

[@benward4538]

Vegan In Michigan solid argument there. Very insightful

[@100pmistry]

Ben Ward: No. I'm not talking about ed.

[@isabelle2373f]

This guy is trying to be a philosopher and then argues that killing an animal yourself is totally different than paying someone to kill an animal for you...!? They may as well be the same thing. How is the one justified and the other not?

[@Food5Thought]

A lot of problems in his arguments, and he tries to point out fallacies in Ed (being wrong, and proven wrong) :/

[@greendholia5206]

feel sorry for him tbh

[@bornyesterday8976]

@Emma Cote was hitler a murderer? Nope he got others to do his bidding.still classed as a murderer. Wtf you on about hitmen and shit you idiot. Keep off them carrots... theyre rotting the only cell you have. Fool.

[@ataraxiaooo3535]

Born Yesterday you’re so ignorant it’s crazy

[@bornyesterday8976]

@@soupspiracy makes plenty of difference you tool. You tell a court that......they'll do exactly the same as me.....piss themselves with laughter at your stupidity.

[@user-xe5jz8om7x]

Ed, your patience is out of this world.

[@erkabur6978]

This dude literally got on his knees, showing he dog love while saying "I'm going to kill you", and that in itself shows that the animal is unconscious. lol WHAT? Because the dog doesn't know English, mate.... JESUS CHRIST.

[@zooksy4541]

Ed's like "you don't need to do this"

[@tijuanaforeplay8232]

@@zooksy4541 said it over and over. I was scrolling down the comments and didn't have the video image to see. All I kept hearing was Ed's voice responding to a really creepy voice.

[@milamnwalker4801]

"This dog doesn't speak English, therefore, he cannot experience pain like I do. " Basically.