These COMPLETE KNOCKOFF mountain bike pedals have me heated!

[@lukepiccola3438]

Alternate title: Seth rants about pedals that sound like the f word

[@cubanlock15]

Forget 3D scanning, or even stealing the molds, if the RaceFace ones are made in China, the Fookers are probably made on literally the same machines. It’s very common these days to make the “American” product on a contract, and then produce a cheaper low-spec and sell on the side for wayyy cheaper.

[@thomascray]

Same with RockBros glasses (frames, anyway)... just like Oakleys.

[@Bill-Rink]

Yep RaceFace is cheap junk with no warranty or support

[@mysterious_czrs]

@@Bill-Rink What lol

[@Bill-Rink]

Mr. W yep RaceFace crank arms fell a apart first 50 miles never saw a MTB trail RaceFace never responded to me or bike shop now have Shimano crank Trek doesn’t warranty non Trek parts

[@Trainboyjackvr]

I’m sure raceface is Canadian but your probably right

[@SpencerForesman]

Can't believe that some fooker copied those pedal's and named the copied pedal after themselves.

[@derek596]

Spencer Foresman yeet

[@shano81]

lol 😂

[@jackmtb2505]

i like yur channel

[@Lfomod1Dubstep]

some that some? same that same here man!

[@meyb-real]

Ur soooooo right

[@benjaminhopkins4884]

As a designer, I have been on the unfortunate end of copying and yes, it sucks. Glad you're preaching integrity when it comes to this stuff!

[@terrycruise-zd5tw]

arent you supposed to get a patent? or i suppose a patent doesnt help much against chinese companies

[@mattb4640]

'tegridy

[@aidancahill7742]

“I’m trying to think of something I can huck to flat” Me: oh he’s gonna do the driveway gap Seth: leaps off the flight deck

[@larrylrs7226]

@@lakesidelaunchers4307 dude, stop spamming

[@lakesidelaunchers4307]

Aidan Cahill I stopped like 10 minutes ago

[@nicoh332]

He did the driveway gap, watch the video

[@archiehards9174]

Lakeside Launchers no u didn't

[@lakesidelaunchers4307]

I’ll delete them all

[@saml4332]

“At the risk of sounding preachy, this sucks.” Nice Seth😂

[@gracen4843]

“I would have told them to name it “Pedal-phile” 😂

[@shavedbird694]

Even that would have been a better name

[@onlyonecannoli3952]

I accidentally did a spit-take after reading this comment. Good job.

[@xts_eddy9527]

pp

[@mrvapor4791]

epic

[@Hollole_Media]

Haha🤣

[@ericsleeth]

Seth's mood swing is hilarious! Goes from being very angry in the shop, to after a bike ride, he is in a little better mood. (Doesn't approve but not as heated)

[@SkillsWithPhil]

Haha, I had these in my cart. Nearly bought them just because of the name.

[@filipfirmanty3145]

Just night some Funn Black Magic

[@seanmcadams1216]

Those fookers tried to lie to us.

[@rezenclowd3]

I bought them a year ago, still seem fine but I hate riding in mud or wet as I am in cali.

[@Kr4keN7]

What the Fook!

[@marcup1584]

@Alex they look identical to the Chesters, and honestly I prefer their shade of blue. For what it's worth I ride red Chesters and my wife rides all metal triple bearing Fookers.

[@nathangriese1824]

"soapy wooder" *Chrisfix has entered the chat*

[@reidmackay9703]

Nathan Griese first think I thought of lol

[@clarkegilbey6544]

Lol yes

[@Mainroad.Manjis101]

I’ve found my people

[@no_sleep_yx3]

I like your subaru 👀

[@Tryinglittleleg]

facts

[@mfnd502]

I bought the Fookers just to see if I liked flats. That was over a year ago, and they are no worse for wear. I'd say they are pretty Fookin good.

[@Rafael_Fuchs]

I've owned aluminium pedals from them for quite some time too. I got them to put on a garbage bike I used to get around town, liked the pedals far more than I thought I would, and threw them on my MTB to beat on till they finally die. They're all sorts of banged up with deep gouges from rocks, but they still feel amazing... They just don't look amazing. Lol

[@RealStealthyNinja]

Good quality maybe. Ethical? Well I don’t blame you personally or anything but the counterfeiters should be a bit ashamed.

[@serbanandrei7532]

Noice

[@landonlarocque1239]

RealStealthyNinja I mean if they work they work they aren’t exactly ripping you off or claiming they’re mainstream brand pedals

[@djbikesonline]

@@atombell991 raceface are ripping idiots like you off who think their mid range to lower end lines are anymore than China/Taiwan catalogue items.

[@BR279]

You should have put the name "Fooker" in the title, so that when people are shopping and looking for reviews this will come up on the search.

[@Aaron-jj9no]

SEO takes description into consideration, too.

[@kadenbef3871]

2:30 “The thing that makes me the angriest about this is if you go to amazon and you type in race face Chester these come up FIRST these come up before the race face Chesters, The FOOKERS!

[@XGaming1]

Because there waaaay cheaper. It’s not like there selling fookers and saying they race face.

[@user-ow1jh8yb5j]

Amazon has got really bad for this lately!

[@DubbelYoo]

They paid for it, under the listing it said “Sponsored”

[@XGaming1]

Who cares, if you want raceface Chester’s, then buy them but if you want a cheaper pedal that’s basically the same buy the fookers.

[@Avicados]

As others have said they paid for that search/keyword term. What is crazy about 3P sites like Amazon, most low/mid level companies won’t pay much for their own SEO. Coming from working at Amazon for 2 years, I have seen many products like this across clothing/jewelry/electronics etc that market the big name keywords.

[@one_mtb]

“Because this is America and that’s not cheap enough” 🇺🇸 I couldn’t agree more... 😆

[@garrettpaschal5995]

I think “Fooker” was the perfect name to make fun of all us fookers who spend too much money on our bikes

[@aerox3418]

But this stuff will last years so it’s worth the money

[@DaanRacer]

@@aerox3418 that's why everything is overpriced. We dumb mtbers just buy everything, with the mindset 'it will last for years so it's worth it'.

[@aerox3418]

@@DaanRacer lmao true

[@iawindowss4061]

@Rebecca Anderson He most likely does not. However I have to agree they will both last a long time might as well buy the cheaper one.

[@MrLongboarder87]

You can use an adjustable soldering iron to get an idea of how strong a plastic blend is. The more heat it takes to melt usually means it has more glass, carbon, or aramid blended in it. Cheap parts have little or no fiber in them and will melt at a low temp. Take the soldering iron at it’s lowest setting and touch the tip to the plastic of both peddles. Slowly turn the heat up while testing each part. It’s not exactly scientific but it will give you some idea of what the plastic is made of.

[@gabrieldelagente1028]

7:01 "I would call it pedalphile" Freaking seth

[@jcsrst]

That is HILARIOUS!!!!

[@LDaniel_BDuce]

*fooking

[@dubblearr7622]

Hahah. Had me loling

[@brycerivers1657]

Missed a chanced to say "Fooking Seth"

[@bassman4203]

S&m already did that back in the 90’s. It was a frame.

[@gdazey1]

Seth: I hate knock offs Harbor freight: I have 20% coupon.

[@ke6533]

I was thinking the same thing, as a consumer who visits HF every month. Although those 20% coupons have so many restriction you are basically able to use them only on the knockoffs of knockoffs.

[@rideallegretto1933]

Seth: hucks hardtail to flat off of 8 foot deck. Pinkbike: we need to up our game.

[@OxBlitzkriegxO]

PB is too snobby to ride a hardtail let alone have a pic taken of someone on it.

[@davidrocamora5109]

@@lakesidelaunchers4307 no one does

[@lakesidelaunchers4307]

Ok

[@RealMTBAddict]

PB ain't shit

[@johngonzalez1193]

Seth: "At least until this covid thing is over.." Me: Oh buddy..

[@israelshero9125]

You were saying?

[@johngonzalez1193]

@@israelshero9125 I'm saying it will never be over obviously

[@israelshero9125]

@@johngonzalez1193 Yes exactly I'm saying that you said oh buddy after only 6 months, and now two years later we're still dealing with it, so you have savant level prophetic knowledge

[@johngonzalez1193]

@@israelshero9125 you know it doesn't exist right? Also germ theory is garbage. Courtesy of that fraud pasteur and the Rockefeller clan.

[@israelshero9125]

@@johngonzalez1193 I've had COVID. Pretty sick but not as bad as say pneumonia, though I'm pretty young. I'm not interested in discussing this further, have a pleasant evening, or day if you live somewhere not in the Western Hemisphere.

[@TheCarBakery]

Btw: there are dozens of companies making this exact pedal. Back in 2012 I bought this pedal but it was made by NukeProof.

[@TwoDogsFighting]

There are dozens of companies rebadging this pedal. Most of these cycling manufacturers don't make shit.

[@liquidwombat]

I have basically the same pedal from Race Face, Fooker, Azonic, and HT. I honestly can’t tell the difference between any of them. If I was in the market to spend 100-ish dollars on alloy pedals I would absolutely be going with a name brand (but would probably stick with Shimano) for composite pedals with metal pins they’re all pretty much the same

[@TwoDogsFighting]

@@liquidwombat They're probably all made by wellgo in the end. I'm partial to my wah wah clones.

[@lonesomegavlan7279]

NukeProof is good, it's a well known brand. The boys at GMBN use it a lot.

[@bullfrogboss8008]

Mine are called Wheel Up

[@croomrider9785]

I’ve got the Chester pedals on my diamondback hardtail, they’ve been through hell and back and still work and perform great!

[@trailsoftrey]

Croomrider97 the race face slap g

[@M3LTUP]

I have never had any set of pedals fail in my lifetime. I normally replace them well before that.

[@ond.mp3]

I had a pare of fookers and the fell apart after 3 rides

[@M3LTUP]

@@ond.mp3 They must have been some really Fooked up pedals.

[@dillonglassford5688]

I have fooker pedals on my diamondback hardtail, no issues and I saved $20

[@kennymcrae2151]

I made the same mistake with some Chinese brake pads off of Amazon. I thought “probably made in the same factory, why not save some money” but the pad material separated from the backing after just a few rides. Luckily we were just messing around in our local woods because of the lockdown and nobody got hurt, but had we been riding our usual trails, it could have been very ugly. Just pay the money and get the real deal! Stay safe!

[@piciu256]

There are good brake pads for less than half the price out there, but you gotta do your research- test some untill you find a manufacturer that works, certainly don't buy the noname ones. Kingstop I found to be really good, not as cheap as the others but m,uch quieter and better braking power.

[@lakesidelaunchers4307]

Kenny McRae 👍

[@lukehinchelwood5765]

We all need a t-shirt that saids “today we’re gonna do something different but kinda the same”

[@pnwriding3220]

yes

[@itzmeleo9810]

Oh man how this worked

[@tristaneisner9526]

Seth: how many Me:Yes

[@Thatslikefortoddles3789]

​@@tristaneisner9526hahahahahhahahahahahah.

[@okie-rider]

Seth is giving Chris Fix a run for the most “wotter” drops in a video!

[@tristannguyen1717]

wooder

[@michalpawlak3344]

Soapy wooder

[@trailsidesam3592]

grab your soapy wooder and spray that hot exhaust

[@sambaron2625]

woorder

[@chiefkeefas4502]

Soapy wooder

[@Boeing737-8k5]

I’m from northern England 😂finally an American who recognised northern England

[@benthomas4072]

_MXKX-21 _ we may have been recognised but I don’t know anyone who says foooker in the north east it’s more like fuckah

[@gerardmontgomery280]

Maybe they'll get around to recognising Scotland, Wales and N. Ireland one of these days.

[@Adventures_with_Sog]

@@gerardmontgomery280 Where?

[@kingneptune8937]

Made me laugh I'm from Newcastle upon Tyne north England

[@Adventures_with_Sog]

@William Craig Cool story, Cowboy.

[@jamesjoyce8043]

Seths "Pedal file" company name has give me inspiration to try and make a pedal company

[@RealStealthyNinja]

Wellgo have a high class pedal brand called Xpedo, which is kinda funny, especially since one of their models is “Thrust”

[@andrewkessler58]

Good luck, if you seriously do make a company comment on a video i want to know how it goes

[@johnnykipp8662]

I would say they're different but kinda the same. I hate knock offs too, because on the original part you are compensating them for the research and thought that have gone into the product. What I also don't like is when parts are marked up for their name only. But sometimes you just gotta buy the cheap part because you can't afford the name brand stuff.

[@raphaelroshwalb5500]

" held up in soapy wooder" *Chrisfix intensifies *

[@none5647]

Hmm interesting..

[@your_average_cultured_dude]

Medium strength threadlocker

[@lakesidelaunchers4307]

Raphael Roshwalb 👍

[@andersbell6974]

Seth, you should review oval chainrings. Supposedly they make it easier to climb hills.

[@lakesidelaunchers4307]

Anders Bell I have a channel if you guys want to check it outfit not that’s fine to. Thanks

[@RealMTBAddict]

So do muscles

[@itsyaboi5861]

@@lakesidelaunchers4307 dude your thumbnail looks a lot like seths

[@henrykayes5319]

Yes , get this comment popular and he might see it!!!!

[@aidanmakinster922]

Yeh Im curious about those

[@stephenmarcantel7676]

Me: trying to listen to Seth talk about pedals Seth: War-ter , I see no war-ter in these pedals.

[@Evol_lov3]

The name “Fooker” is probably the best thing about those pedals.

[@andyman3960]

I'm strictly a bmx person but i have been here since the Trek 4900 days. Love this content.

[@pawtrolling]

"The fookers", as someone from northern England, I spat out my tea laughing

[@lennonh1575]

sam woolsey is there two England’s cause In the northern part of England where I live no one says fookers it’s fuck or fuckers

[@richardseppings4409]

I'm from West Yorkshire and "u" definitely has an "oo" undertone.

[@AndrewMiguelez]

They were probably made by the same factory that makes the originals. Whenever they aren't fulfilling orders for Race Face, they keep the line moving and produce the knockoffs with the same mold. A few cheaper parts later, they have a copy for extra profit. This happens all the time with electronics. I'm not surprised to see it with bike parts.

[@balijaa]

3:25 wheels: "Am I joke to you?"

[@steetlywoods]

Being from northern England, every time he said fooker it killed me😭😭

[@Zoidnitrous]

Conrad lawley hahah that line got me aswell man 🤣

[@zakiry8634]

I'm from North East, and he did us dirty with that

[@maxno2390]

😂

[@sputnic3032]

Fooker sounds more Irish than northern to me. where in the north are you pronouncing it fook?

[@Zoidnitrous]

Sputnic dunno mate I’m from West Yorkshire we say ‘couldn’t give a fook’ as a joke sometimes haha

[@dtr5600]

VIDEO IDEA:Build a bike out these kind of knockoff parts. I'm talking all of the parts, including the actual frame, have to be a copy of something name brand. That would be awesome. Love your vids.

[@surfah33]

I actually love this idea. Buy knockoff everything. Ride it.

[@markjd3108]

This has to be done. 🚲 I😂

[@workhorsemtb7075]

+1 for this idea

[@M3LTUP]

It has already been done. Walmart sells those bikes for $99.

[@mschroeder17]

I love how you talk about buying products that truly represent mountain biking. I think especially now is a great time to be buying local. I love you reviews keep it up

[@peglor]

If Race Face truly represent MTBing I've been doing it wrong all along by buying from companies that spec durable bearings and use materials other than what appears to be some sort of hardish cheese for their load bearing parts.

[@tgoods5049]

mschroeder17 race face is made overseas bro

[@frsknsld]

Yet his bikes are from a consumer direct company that cuts out the local businesses

[@RFVCXR200R]

Best ad for Fooker pedals ever. I wonder how many sets have been sold JUST because of this video.

[@OLKIEMTB]

I've got a pair of rock bros. They have been rock solid for me.

[@outdooractivist]

Same here

[@wadefisher2049]

I broke two pairs of rock bros

[@farreledviantbatubara8358]

@@wadefisher2049 damn 20 sec ago

[@boustrisservice1868]

I know, i follow ur channel and followed/copied one of you bike project for my 29" nishiki. Thanks for the guidance. No complaints about my rock bros.

[@muhammadokto5757]

My last rockbros pedals, the body just comes right off from the spindle and I almost crash i just have that pedals for like 5 months

[@matthewgilmore8046]

Haha I'm from Scotland and honestly I'd buy the pedals just for the name 😂

[@hubdeep9452]

I just checked Amazon and the mother fookers are out of stock 😂

[@michaelinglis8516]

I own the Fookers in turqoise and they are just as good as the race faces. Theres tons of other people who will say the same. Most people cant afford to spend a 1/4 cost of their bike on pedals. That doesnt mean they should use shitty cheap pedals.

[@dilloncash1325]

Michael Inglis you’re not riding hard enough then

[@BlueCollarBachelor]

@@michaelinglis8516 really? You saved $5 and rewarded thieves. Good for you.

[@lakesidelaunchers4307]

matthew gilmore 👍

[@FrankPapadakis]

their slogan should be "Ride with a dream, you fooker!"

[@gmoorach]

I'm a casual biker. I hated the stock pedals that came with my budget friendly Diamondback bike. So, I bought a pair of the Fookers for $25 in November 2018. These pedals are easily the single best upgrade I made to my bike. I'm sure they're nowhere as good as the Race Face pedals. But for the price and how I use them, they're perfect for me.

[@YarYarDaBar3111]

Before watching. I’ve had those knock offs for a year and love them

[@kelbyhunter6852]

get a real pair of Chester's

[@aldengentner3297]

YarYarDaBar3111 same they work great

[@brunopanizzi]

@@kelbyhunter6852 but why tho

[@WinkyMcWinkerson]

Yarp

[@silasgarrison8204]

I have them to and I love them

[@minimtb3154]

2:25 Seth: "The marketing slogan says 'Ride with a dream' well that makes sense. Actually, it doesn't make sense at all."

[@rajgill7576]

My cousin literally works at a factory where the same.cans get a variety of different labels to ship off to different companies for sale Its like aerosol air fresheners and hairspray products

[@randomuser5443]

I think paper towels are a better comparison

[@rajgill7576]

@@randomuser5443 I bet they're even worse at it. One brand printing different prints on the same paper all day long

[@littlegoobie]

bread is very similar also. big grocery stores carry their own "brand" of bread. Meanwhile, bread from NEARLY EVERY "brand" you see on the bread aisle at the grocery store comes out of the very same bread factory. When prices are significantly different, there will be changes to the product but overall it'll be similar. The best example i personally came across is the 3M green/yellow scrubber for doing dishes. The normal stores carry them for $2.50 each or whatever. I saw them at a dollar store for $1.25 in the same 3M wrapper and it all looked the same except this wrapper had dollar store logo added onto it. I get home and compare it to a real one and the green scrubbing side is 1/2 the thickness, the yellow sponge is 1/2 the thickness...and guess what? It fell apart in a fraction of the time. It looked the same, same brand even, but it was definitely NOT the same as one you would get if you paid full price in a normal store.

[@chawk_]

That’s how supply chains work for the most part. Chester doesn’t create every piece in their own pedals, neither does fooker. They both source them from OEMs and then build their product. the difference is where they source them from and the quality of the production. Chester obviously cares for the quality, and thus has quality manufacturers which is reflected in the cost and craftsmanship of the product. Fooker on the other hand found a manufacturer that could make the same pieces for the cheapest price with 0 regard towards quality.

[@cunning-stunt]

At 4:39 The fooker pedal shaft above the seal is a third less the diameter of the race face shaft. This is where the shaft will bend when landing heavy on most pedals, but on the fooker I would say a light to moderate landing would bend them. I reckon I could bend them just bouncing through the suspension stroke stationary.

[@djSpinege]

when he realizes they are made in the same factory he will poop his shorts.

[@Calfa2x]

They aren't, the material is quite different and you will notice the durability issues about 5 months riding them. Like Seth said, the type of steel and bearing type make a huge difference in durability. You won't notice it short term but they will snap at the 6-8 month mark.

[@lljkSadi]

Precisely. I used to design power tools and Bosch, Ingersoll rand, atlas copco and my company all sourced grinders from one company. We would even use the same designs, just pay more to have “exclusive feature” and change the look outside. Most but not all of the parts were interchangeable. Sioux and others Chinese brands were selling the exact same tool but at way lower profit margins.

[@Ghostiification]

Well to be fair, pretty much all batteries etc are made in the same factories. You know, those Samsung one's that cost 20€ are just manufactured in the same place where they make those pirate 5€ batteries aswell. But the difference always is that the legit companies have to follow restrictions and guidelines, while the others don't. That's the main concern with pirated products.

[@michelt4390]

I guess that's the price to pay for outsourcing stuff to China... US company does it to increase profit margins to 72%... Chinese guy, hey! I could sell the same and be happy with a 30% profit margin

[@Tallretrodude]

@@lljkSadi curiosity what are some good chinese power tool brands?

[@fionnflynn9395]

That Pedal File jokes that Seth made is underrated😂

[@ZachRice]

"How is this legal?" Made in China... tooling for mass production is expensive, so I almost think it's more likely that Fooker just ordered a cost-down version of that pedal from the same factory that RaceFace uses, using the same mold. If the bike industry is anything like the guitar industry, lots of brands get their products from the same set of overseas factories.

[@bonzobanana1]

That's pretty much what I was going to write. Maybe even the fooker pedals are a generic design pedals and raceface ordered them with an upgrade on internal parts. SRAM designs a lot of bike parts but relies on factories in the far east to make them and may change factories frequently to get the best price. Maybe after losing the contract with Raceface they started knocking out the same pedal moulds pretty much under their own brand. I've have to say I've bought pedals from ebay for £3 with aluminium bodies and after servicing them as soon as I got them with grease and getting the tension just right they were great pedals. They were loose bearings so easy to replace too if I need to. Seen pretty much the same pedals go for £30 in local bike shops as their economy pedals.

[@Wrang15]

Goes on in the US too. I worked at a place that made ketchup. Guess what we did every brand lol... the were close it was funny on how some companys charged much more of their brand. Some big name brands owned the store brand. Sometimes your just paying for a name.

[@ZachRice]

@@Wrang15 true, I bet that occurs in many industries.

[@krugrisso6095]

Little did he know this “COVID” will go on for another year

[@cattalkbmx]

They're going to try to milk this forever...

[@derpsmash9741]

You're all twats.

[@caffeinepowered3957]

2024 and it's not gone, nor will it likely ever be gone because people are too stupid and selfish.

[@SavageAudits]

Fools. Millions and millions of gullible fools.

[@MilandIvanforlife7]

Just call it “Shin Destroyer”

[@colten4355]

I'm glad youtube decided not to put this video in my sub box, like I watch MTB content more than any other I'm subbed to and they say their sub box is supposed to show you the content you watch most. Anyway great video Seth!

[@placesaroundus]

Colten it did it to me too

[@rcspeed5443]

As someone from the North or England I'm crying with laughter each time you say fooker 🤣 set of fooker's

[@--jay--]

🤣 I'm from northern England - happy we got a mention on your channel, please tell us more about your knowledge of our kind - an impression would be hilarious 😍

[@jdwalker9718]

3:02 it's not legal, in most of the world... but, as we're all aware now, the rules don't apply to some and will not be held accountable

[@wapniak666]

its legal to buy a product with your logo and then sell it as your product, which race face and fooker are doing, fooker didnt copy it from race face, they just bought the same pedals and asked for their logos instead of race face logos

[@piciu256]

@@wapniak666 exactly, and most peopple seem to know this, Seth didn't do his research on that one ;)

[@natebit7167]

wapniak666 are you serious.. the pedals are obviously designed differently, yet intentionally trying to replicate raceface. Secondly, how tf do you think that fooker can buy a pedal from raceface and then sell that exact same pedal for half the price.

[@wapniak666]

@@natebit7167fooker is not buying it from raceface lol, they are buying it from chinese factory, the same one that sold it to race face aswell. they are selling it for cheaper because they used cheaper axle desing, and becasue they have lower maring. race face is making a HUGE profit on this pedals they are not designed to copy race face product. race face just paid chinese company to make pedals with their logo. fooker did the same

[@Adurianman]

@@natebit7167 Its the other way round, a lot of bike companies buys pedals offered by big volume manufacturers and slaps their logo on it. A lot of brands do have a bunch of designers, but most of the time they do not have manufacturing engineers and do not have the capability to design the structural element of parts.

[@HardPanG]

I put these Fookers on all my mountain bikes! :)

[@jacobgoodingbmx4512]

I had the fookers for a couple months I actually liked them lol

[@SolLignum]

I've searched on Aliexpress a little bit, and while i didn't yet found those Fookers, i did found out that the exact same Chester's knockoffs are being sold under many "brands", or even with no "brand" at all. Wheelup, Mzyrh, Ztto, etcetera. Everything is the same, even that little KP logo, just diffirent names printed at the same spots in a same pattern. Feels like those brands doesn't even actually exist, it's like one factory making this today and that tomorrow. for whatever reason. And i've noticed the same trend with other stuff like grips or chainrings for instance. Same item, diffirent logo.

[@negatory5687]

My chinese hydration pack came with brand name "Local outdoor lion" my bar tape was branded as "good horse", fooker is not that bad to be honest.

[@tonyrobinson1623]

I have a Local Lion backpack that is an exact copy of an Osprey. It's held up just fine.

[@mrN3w7]

Seriously... I want that bar tape :D.

[@richardrahadi]

Hydration pack’s fine, good horse freak me out so bad

[@theh0r5e90]

I also would like to know where you got the bar tape

[@scottiemanners]

I have a bunch of offbrand outdoor gear that are replicas of the expensive brands, I feel like you pay for the name a lot of times when the same quality can be made and sold way cheaper

[@Gabriel2.0]

6:41 "pedaro" in Spanish is a person who cannot stop farting hahahaha

[@elorz007]

En qué país? Porque en España pedaro no significa nada. Pedorro quizás...

[@rowenlampe7426]

@@elorz007 no hable espanol

[@claudiodominguez8649]

No , it doesn't. You learned Spanish in the Fooker Academy !? . JK. But , Pedaro is not a Spanish word.

[@zygis337]

Pretty sure that's not a Spanish word, but any Russian speaking country knows a different meaning for the word 🙃

[@ViktorJ0van0vski]

And it means gay in my language 🤣🤣🤣

[@LackingLoam]

That’s funny I literally just bought race face chesters

[@au69miner]

got those on my new Scott Scale....color me satisfied

[@Scruffybirdd]

Me too! They look great on my brand new Rosco7

[@colancaster84]

I did too last year! Great pedals! RIP our shins!

[@archiehards9174]

Lakeside Launchers plz shut up stop spamming

[@doriankolic9207]

A friend reccomended these fookers to me but I went with the real thing

[@lakeolson2855]

“At least until this COVID thing is over”! 🤣🤣 okay seth

[@alexrubin6422]

Carries more weight now lol

[@WeslarWaven]

Still going 😂

[@guamcruise4278]

Is it just me that hears a extremely high pitch sound when he’s riding?

[@jojo_is_a_go5893]

BigBootyBrad it’s his brakes

[@Matio25091]

Disc brakes

[@Vaasmios]

That's just him talking . Jk love you Seth lmao

[@victoriathegreencheekconur5477]

BigBootyBrad yea its either his brakes or the music

[@JimnyRicardo]

This is the sound of metallic break pads as opposed to the organic ones

[@Mattman993]

I doubt these are copies exactly. This sounds like a “3rd shift” deal, where the factory in charge of the injection molding comes back after hours to make unauthorized production runs. The bearings and other stuff being different makes sense, as I doubt the factory would do all that for a 3rd shift item.

[@nayrdrumr]

Seth: “Ya know what really grinds my gears... fookers”

[@XennialGuy]

I bought two sets of Raceface Chester's, and both sets started to fail at the bearings. The second set never felt right from the beginning, one of the bearings was clicky from day one. It eventually completely failed and the bearings split apart on a light trail and the pedal slid off the spindle and had catastrophic failure. I paid $50 for those. I decided to try the newer designed Fooker brand with needle bearings for $25 and figured it couldn't be any worse than the Raceface brand. Boy what a better quality set for half the price! The updated Fookers just feel better, spin more smoothly, and have zero play. They have been improved since this video was made. Honestly, they are now built better than the Chester's and will be my new go to pedal for EMTB riding. They also come with spare pins and shims as a courtesy. The Raceface warranty requires you to fill out a form and give your CC number so they can charge you. Skip them and go Fooker.

[@MrAlex112956]

Hey man take a look at these fookers. Random dude: what bro? Oh yeah my pedals dude. Foooooker.

[@FOREST10PL]

The gain on your microphone was way to high. You're clipping all the time.

[@roseroserose588]

At a guess, the fooker pedals are made in the exact same factory as the raceface pedals, potentially ones that didn't pass QA or maybe the factory just sells that design to multiple different brands and the fooker pedals are just finished with cheaper hardware.

[@MrJeffdahmer]

I bet it's not even cheaper hardware. Race face orders 100,000 units from the factory in China, the factory delivers the product but they still have all the molds and means to produce the pedals with the knowledge they can sell them at half the price and still make a profit. Who wouldn't?

[@treewizzard]

thats what race face gets for cheaping out and going the Chinese route, these chinese pedals are made to make money for the same kind of businessmen as the raceface pedals.i dont care where a company is "based" raceface is the one responsible for the chinese pedals.

[@michellesharpe6159]

Thanks so much for this video Seth. You inspired me to not only get these RaceFace pedals, but to get them direct from the source!

[@ryanpayne712]

In the description it says race face chesters with a link then a link to these fookers

[@pyguy9915]

Plot twist: they licensed the design and Seth just trashed it

[@TheWebstaff]

Plot twist: same factory in China designs and makes them. No licence involved. RF specs them slightly better, pays 10% more for better pedal but charges you 50% more for the name and a bit better pedal, plus a load of marketing BS.. Like red bull gives you wings.. (also gives nearly 30% of its taking back as marketing) Should be Red Bull gives you long term health issues..

[@ChrisMasna]

This is terribly common, same as both brands buying the same design from an independent design studio, or both brands being owned by the same company but aiming at different market tiers, or even the most expensive brand copying the cheaper one. Source: studied Industrial Design.

[@mtb2sea170]

Dave Webster There is more to it than that. RF has a retail price set to protect bike shops. RF likely sells them to a bike shop for about $25. So RF is likely paying $10 for the pedals. There is shipping and packaging involved, along with sponsorships and employees they have. So the factory is probably making the RF for $5. Then they, or another factory across the street, makes a copy of the original at a lower spec for $4 and sells it for $20 at a much higher profit margin selling direct. They likely eat a little profit using Amazon FBA, but they still have a higher margin. They are scum bags for selling knockoffs, but in the Chinese culture they do not have nor do they understand intellectual property. To them it’s a silly concept, they feel if it can be made cheaper then it should be, it’s how their culture has always existed. Most people these days will just say, duh I don’t care, it’s cheaper. But it hurts businesses and it effects jobs. It’s what happened to American automotive jobs the we are too good to do now, but we feel we are better than that, we don’t need to do that kind of work. It’s too expensive to do that work here. Chinese manufacturing and Amazon has destroyed retail models. Now people are slaving in fulfillment centers rather than in a factory. This pandemic shows that America can not survive on its own, because we rely on imports. We could get shut down by China if they wanted too. They own us.

[@badgamergood6713]

MTB 2 SEA Indeed they do, this is how China wages war, and 99% of the time they will win, its interesting how a “communist” country now operates on a philosophy at the low level of almost perfect capitalism.

[@davidbronstein2040]

BadGamerGood China is essentially communist by name only, its mostly just authoritarianism with extra steps.

[@zacjohnson452]

I have some fookers, they’ve been holding up to the gnar nicely!

[@DriveCarToBar]

Assuming these aren't just the same pedal contract manufactured on the same machines in China, you're not talking about some new whizz bang invention. It's a platform pedal. I was using those on my old Redline BMX bike in the mid-90s. Back when they had Cr-Mo frames! You used bear claw pedals until you didn't get your foot back on quick enough and discovered your pedals were actually sawblades as they ripped through your shins. Then you switched to platforms because bleeding into your own shoes for an hour sucks while you wait to get stitches from the bear claws. But honestly, if you're mad because some Chinese company makes the same pedals you make, and they're the same as a platform from 30 years ago and it's cutting into your overpriced sales, tough shit. Innovate instead.

[@gregorforbes8327]

Don’t know if anyone’s commented this but I think the “FP” on it stands for Fooker pedal

[@noahdurose31]

Gregor Forbes it was said KP not FP but I had thought the same.

[@Lakersman54]

I’m glad I got my chesters before these fookers came out.

[@diywarren1776]

All of these ads about “see how I started my own online business” You’re seeing one possible example of that business model. Not the creation of the products but the amazon distribution

[@user-op1tq9ur3t]

Thanks man. I was gonna be one of those fookers to... but changed my mind and got the chesters because of you.I now have a proper piece of mind.🍻✌️

[@logger-ke5tx]

Which brand are the Pedals from? "Fooker!!" OK sorry man😂😂

[@Jamie_kemp]

2:35 They come up first, yeah, but that's only because they're sponsored. it has almost nothing to do with the brand or model name, it's just about Amazon knowing they're pedals, and putting that at the top. Not trying to defend them, but just an observation

[@dantrav1927]

wrong, Amazon makes more money selling the crap

[@Jamie_kemp]

@@dantrav1927I'm sure they probably do, but the reason these pedals are at the top is because they're a sponsored listing, not because Amazon wants to sell you them.

[@ajsonic2361]

I have the same pedals for almost 3 years now. It's so good!

[@dawsonfradin9071]

7:44 "at least until this covid stuff is over" Us in december: :|

[@xylerkajiyama7544]

It’s 2021 time

[@isaachlloyd]

Us in february :|

[@kingofallworlds]

I'm calling it now. Us in 2022..

[@Dayjsusjddhhd]

Us in March

[@preachedbeast8934]

me in April over a year later

[@Cuzbanger]

I have Chester pedals, and I'm very happy with them. They're probably the best flats I've owned in 25 years (and not the most expensive!).

[@landofthelostzRo]

Chester the pedalphile

[@mattkneller900]

Welcome to open source catalogue parts . Just wait till he finds out the Diamondback bikes he rides have been engineered by a frame supplier in Taiwan and has just been tweeked by a diamondback “designer” amongst others to meet their needs. Quality of fit and finish depends on how much you want to pay.

[@frsknsld]

Ya this videos dumb. Those are just a wellgo pedal.

[@curtisg.8671]

Should have made your title. "Meet the Fookers"

[@Bef090]

Your dry humor is always hilarious. Hello from NC!

[@noahe300]

13:30 *breaking news Oscar has converted into a bowling bowl knocking down everything in sight*

[@essentiallyjesus]

Who buying them: Us Who isn't buying them: All professional mountain bikers Edit: People got pretty fired in the comments, I was just trying to make a joke. Try to take it a little more lightly next time :) stay safe

[@tymarlowemarlowe9326]

I fucking agree, this was probably the most stupid video Seth has made. And what also pisses me of is the majority of his audience is the average joe who doesn’t what to spend $50 on some pedals that are the same

[@Madtica]

Right, because the average joe can’t save the extra 20 bucks.. I think it’s a great video because it helps us make an informed decision whether you want to support a company who actually does their homework and creates a great product or merely someone who copies someone else’s work.

[@emmetfoster7430]

@@tymarlowemarlowe9326 you mean fooking

[@leo-yf9rw]

​@@tymarlowemarlowe9326 I don't think most of his audience are "joes", and I think it is a good video because these trash companies are destroying the good companies by just copiyng them. If you support those stealers then something is wrong with you, im happy to buy something quality and I just bought pedals for 100$

[@mostcomplicatedman8115]

i feel the same with forks too . like om roding coil cuz airforks are expensive as fuck

[@levicooke05]

The way Seth says “water” just makes me laugh

[@dylandualsport1462]

Waiter 😂

[@superguygames4122]

Listen to ChrisFix say “water” it’s so funny

[@andersonmorgan760]

@@superguygames4122 soapy wooder

[@aydenrothfuss5679]

Chrisfux and seth are both from long island or jersey thats why they say "wooder" instead of "water"

[@PF-Fly]

“They didn’t use a very good English name generator…” I think they nailed it. When my foot slips off the pedal and I take the teeth to the leg that’s exactly what I say… “Ouch, You Fooker” Or “MotherFooker”

[@schmidt5988]

Man, I love ur content Thx for entertainning....

[@lacquerhead351]

I've had great experience with Fookers. I bought an aluminum pair on a whim a while back and I've been running them for about 18 months with no issues

[@mymorristribe]

I think official mtb companies tend to price gouge a bit for the parts they sell. If they cared about the sport as much as you want us to think they do, their parts would cost less. My 2 cents. Personally, I've been rockin the Rockbros $20 pedals on my Release 4C for about a year after bending the stock pedals on a rock strike. So far so good.

[@zombislasher]

Yes, they know passionate riders like to spend big cash upgrading their mtb's

[@joshuaramirez6121]

Most companies do that in general, but the reason they do is because of these chinese counterfeiters copying their product and stealing their business. So they have to counter it by raising the price to make up for lost revenue.

[@pkananen]

Most bike company owners are not exactly walking around as millionaires

[@SurvivalistMedia]

All prices are usually based on what the market can bear, if they could sell it for less they probably would. These companies don't produce a lot of millionaires so I wouldn't go all mean mr money bags capitalist conspiracy theorist. The best part about this hobby is it is still controlled by other people passionate about the sport. If a large purely profit based company tries to ruin it, most people are willing to spend more to fund the passionate hobbyist over the purely profit motivated fookers. You've convinced yourself that the independent maker is profit motivated while supporting the true vile profit motivated capitalist. YDY.

[@portland97211]

That internal sleeve nut is designed to put pressure on the outside bearing race. So the hole in the middle of it is really just a design thing rather than a way to keep water out or grease in. Just a heads up since it really seemed to upset you.

[@coopertalburt2663]

I bought a pair of cheap mtb pedals for $15 and I’ve had them for a year and they still work amazing and I don’t plan on changing pedals anytime soon

[@mattfromtinder1055]

Cooper Talburt congrats on supporting a communist government in China. Loser.

[@saturndesigns2339]

Justin E and he obviously doesn't ride a bike hard either because those always have some fatal flaw like the fookers haha...

[@kudosbudo]

@@saturndesigns2339 Jokes on you. Your expensive pedals are likely mad ein Taiwan or china. Incidentally why even by aluminim alloy pedals when you can get high quality BMX pedals in PLASTIC that work as well and weigh less and are cheaper... bloody MTBers with their overpriced crap...

[@saturndesigns2339]

Benjamin Whitehead first of all. They are plastic pretty much, and you obviously didn't watch the video and the part about the internals

[@vacheron2346]

Actually bought some "knock off" Chesters and now returning for the real thing. Never thought of the R&D that RF would have spent to ensure a great product. Awesome call out Seth!

[@BeamMonsterZeus]

Even those are made in the same place as what you call a knock-off. It's the US companies selling overpriced versions of the same products and brainwashing people into believing the money was well-spent. It's why poverty can't be quelled.

[@avdikslv]

company: haha we steal race face pedal design! me: those fookers!

[@boe6622]

This made me laugh genuinely. Good one

[@avdikslv]

@@boe6622 i am happy that i made someone happy!

[@Stuff-i-Like]

So i just bought pedals, AU$28 (US$17.75) RockBros, Nylon / Plastic, with proper screw in bolted spikes, 4 enclosed bearings per pedal, they feel perfect ie you can't feel any slop, good rubber bungs / o-rings to keep the dirt out, they are excellent, even for road riding, i don't slip off them esp'' in the wet, and i get more power when my feet have a good horizontal pedalling component, could not find Fookers, glad i couldn't. My current bike is all dark grey / black, didn't want to cheapen it up with lots of anodised colour, however i purchased a yellow-green set, so that is now the 1 highlight colour allowed on that bike, again is good for road riding, large bright rotating pedals on a largely dark bike background. Cheers!