Best Advice to Stop Forehand Wobble

[@timothy42b]

While watching this an old Overthrow segment on Andrew Marwede's forehand popped up. His disc path is very close to the flat plane path that you were showing here, with more torso rotation of course because he's throwing hard, but some similarity in an almost level disc.

[@stefanelf7794]

Can’t agree more re. teaching progressive steps rather than presenting a finished product to beginners! The forehand is my next project. This sounds like good advice for a solid beginning.

[@_TDG]

Good luck!

[@chadrobinson7234]

Love that you're coaching forehand throws now as well.

[@_TDG]

@@chadrobinson7234 thanks! Like I said: not an expert, but some principles are exactly the same on both sides.

[@chadrobinson7234]

Macbeth and Ohn Scoggins do a cool looking windup, down and up, on their forehand throws. Is that like a timing thing for their walk up? Don't worry, as a newbie, I won't try to emulate this, and I'll stick to your advice in the video for now.

[@_TDG]

@@chadrobinson7234 just like in the backhand a more complex swing plane allows you to use gravity as well as more muscles more effectively. But it is also more complicated and herder to get right…

[@chadrobinson7234]

@@_TDG Totally get it. Ohn especially does a wild down and up motion with her whole arm as she holds the disc vertically, before she goes into the backswing. I called it a "windup" in my previous comment, but maybe that's not the right word for it. I just find her throws fun to watch. I think she deserves +10 style points for this technique.

[@yoyoninjaboy6431]

4:20

[@_TDG]

@@yoyoninjaboy6431 ha! I had no idea…

[@jon51901]

Sounds good!

[@yorythmy]

Always appreciate your insight and thoughtfulness. Have you come across the concept of the Cycloid? It seems that ultimately, further down the line of progression, that in order to increase speed, hence distance, one would need to approximate the travel of the disc, forehand and backhand, along the line of the cyclonic curve. Which seems like what we, disc golfers, are perhaps unconsciously trying to achieve. What say you?

[@_TDG]

@@yorythmyThanks! ...interesting. Hadnt come across that term. I dont see any reason our ideal disc path would correlate with that idea and that is not the line that pro players throw on. There could be some mathematical correlation though. I think the most important thing about our disc path is how the arm and disc coil or wrap up and then the speed at which the forward elbow drive unwraps that coil, resulting in the CG of the disc being slung off the finger pivot with a significantly higher angular momentum than the hand.

[@yorythmy]

@@_TDG yes! What I found thought provoking is the animation of the cycloid on line. How the quickest path between two points is not a straight line. The cyclonic curve is, due to the acceleration achieved with the specific gravity. I see how the curve itself and the gravity combined achieves the quickest results. They are two separate elements in combination. The usual backhand drive mental cue is often, out, in, out, which seen from a Birds Eye view is a curve. Even the distance forehand can go from high and above swooping down towards release is again a, what I would call, an acceleration curve. I see how keeping the disc flat and focusing along a fairly straight line towards a target helps as a progression. I’ve had totally rounded backhand releases that go incredibly far, and obviously not in my intended direction, but the disc traveled along a curve, the opposite curve of the out,in,out curve, but nonetheless a curve, which seems to enhance acceleration and hence distance.

[@_TDG]

@@yorythmy yea. Out in out enhanced the depth of the finger sling. Thats why shanks right go further thats any of our other throws… the power available in our swing lines up better with the actual release point. So you get a better finger pivot. All the things I do in lower body coaching are to move that power point earlier in the throw. Rear leg counterweight limiting the hips and chest opening too much. Getting the front foot closed and shifting the weight behind you. Establishing arm timing to hit at 10:30 etc. Its all about getting that hit point earlier than we default to.

[@yorythmy]

@@_TDG yes! Thank you for putting that all together for me. Back to the practice crucible to combine and grind a more consistent game.🙏🤙

[@letsgobrody5608]

Please more forehand content as mine is garbage 😅

[@_TDG]

I'll see what else I can come up with!

[@timothy42b]

I've played around with this a bit and had some thoughts, quibbles maybe, don't want to be arguing in public. Is there a better place to send a message? Thanks.

[@_TDG]

That is unusually thoughtful for a youtube comment, thank you! Respectful quibbling is actually encouraged around here… if you hop on the Patreon as a free member we can message each other there.

[@_TDG]

patreon.com/_TDG

[@_TDG]

And let me know what patreon account name I should be looking out for.

[@timothy42b]

@@_TDG Thanks. I've never done patreon but it sounds useful, I'll get a login. My POV, I don't have a baseball background and I have no layback available, so I've been thinking about how the armpath needs to be modified to get power. It's not as simple as "throw like a baseball." (Stokely). For me. Also for me, the off plane torque doesn't come so much from downward momentum as from wrist release motion not lining up. I like your idea of progression and of being on plane earlier, but for me that also requires a very low elbow, which is the opposite of what baseball throwers do. I would note that a couple of the people I play with have the disc rising to the hit like a tennis forehand. And that got me deep into a rabbit hole of ATP vs WTA forehand - interesting stuff.

[@_TDG]

@@timothy42bcan you define layback in this context?