Best Bang for the Buck Ubiquiti Unifi Alternative : TP-Link Omada

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[@dougle03]

You missed out the absolute nightmare of adoption on Unifi - when it works well it's great, but when it doesn't, boy you'd better be ready and willing to roll your sleeves up and get down and dirty with the command line interface. Also, Ubiquiti do have a habit of rolling out updates either before they are ready or with breaking changes that can (and do) bork your installation. I lost a whole day solving mine Unifi network when upgrading the controller software to V6.x

[@SwipeSide19]

Thought it was just me

[@gekkehenkie0001]

Yes. And not to mention the utter BS you are stuck with after software upgrades

[@williambryce8527]

Followed your advice running all TP-Link Omada and it is fantastic. I took a chance and believed in your advice. It was the right choice! Thank you!

[@TechnoDadLife]

I installed this at my Dads house and he couldn’t be happier for half the price of Unifi.

[@anujbhatia3337]

What do you think is missing from the TP Link system? I'm kind of sold on it at this point minus the additional maintenance work vs a consumer grade router.

[@JamieStuff]

A couple of things caught my eye on your product selections: 1. Omada EAP225 vs UAP-AC-Pro: A proper comparison with the $149 Ubiquiti AP would be the AC1750 EAP265 HD at $130; at least they are both AC1750. A better match for the EAP225 would have been the U6-Lite-US. The MSRP of $99 gives you WiFi 6 capability and still faster speed (1500 vs 1350). 2. I'm not sure why you went with the old-gen Security Gateway. The USG is considered at end-of-life (a Gen 2 unit is due Soon), and Ubiquiti recommends one of the Dream Machines instead. Yes, the UDM Pro is a great piece of hardware, but serious overkill for nearly any home application. And speaking of the Dream Machine... The non-Pro Dream Machine is a compact all-in-one unit that appears to do everything your $298 TP-Link setup does, and has an MSRP of $299. I have to say "apparently", since TP-Link is not very open about the specs on the Omada line. And 3. You don't need the $99 Cloud Key. The software is free, and has been "Dockerized" by several people, including Linuxserver. You definitely an "apples to oranges" comparison here. Maybe it was the lack of coffee... ;)

[@TechnoDadLife]

You didn’t watch the video to the end where I compare the Dream machine also. It is an even worse deal. As I said in the video, I was going for a direct comparison, so Omada is just releasing their WiFi 6 ap, but I didn’t have a price. So far though, they put all their prices under Unifi by quite a large margin. The biggest Unifi price difference is cameras. Unifi charges double for their cameras. Unifi is just very expensive for what it is. They are coasting on their past reputation.

[@DeliberateGeek]

@@TechnoDadLife To be fair, you compared the Dream Machine Pro at the end, not the lower end Dream Machine. I'm not terribly familiar with the Omada line, but it would seem to me that the $299 Dream Machine would replace the router, access point, and controller. Also, without the access point, there's no need for POE and depending on your wired connection needs, you may not even need the switch as the Dream Machine has a pretty solid AP built in. Having said all that, there are valid use cases where the flexibility of separate devices is more useful, which makes the Omada line an interesting option from a pricing perspective.

[@matthiasvastring4264]

Point 3 - the omada sdn controller is also available as free software ;)

[@ecu8r]

I have Ubiquiti and love it, it looks sharp. It's like buying macs which I also happen to love. I've used all types of networking devices and I'm sticking with Ubiquiti. Interesting video though.

[@pfunkPT]

did I miss something or you forgot to mention the dream machine, not the PRO, the one that has built in wifi, it costs 299 and has everything in one package, I think, great review overall...

[@tusharnayyer951]

I couldn't agree more. I recently setup my home networking with 3 EAPs 245 and TP-SG 2008P Switch and awaiting shipment of TL 605 Gateway. This entire projected costed me half of what unifi would have costed me. The ui is like exact replica of Unifi and functions about the same. TPLINK is going to crush the Unifi market if they continue like this.

[@TechnoDadLife]

I agree. Unifi was the only choice a few years ago and people are still fixed on it. The market has moved on and is making the same or better equipment for cheaper.

[@mauisam1]

Great video! Could you do a video on how to install and configure all of the components talked about in this video. Especially the cloud controller and how it works. Thks.

[@normanintveldt5845]

I've got basicly the same TP-Link Omada setup, works like a charm!

[@kastnerr]

I realize this is an old video but I didn't see your solution for threat management. That was the primary reason I went with the UDM, wishing I would have purchased the pro now.

[@Kalianyia]

For those watching this video in 2022, Ubiquiti has the Dream Router for $200, which does it all. Router, 4 port (2 are 802.3af POE) switch , Wifi AP, integrated cloud controller with 128GB internal storage, and a SD card for additional storage. It also supports IDS/IPS via the Unifi Controller. The only substantial downsides are: if you want more switch ports, more powerful POE (if 802.3af doesn't cut it for you), and finally users report it caps out at around 700-800 mbps inbound on the WAN instead of full Gigabit due to the weaker CPU they used. Still, it's a great deal. They sell out very quickly though. Ubiquiti puts them up for sale randomly Monday - Saturday between 8:05-8:15am EST. Middle of the month tends to have higher volume. They usually sell out very quickly (30m or less).

[@TechnoDadLife]

Yes, the Unifi back plan problem is why I wouldn't buy one. Why pay for gigabit ethernet and then install equipment that won't let you use it?

[@Kalianyia]

@@TechnoDadLife Never heard of that. What is it?

[@Trizen321]

I tried the tplink products in my parents house and at first they seemed fine but all 3 aps in the house are now dropping WiFi through the whole house. I replaced 1 and 3 months later and it started doing the same thing. I think the software is fine and the router is good but the aps don’t have good reliability since I now have 4 devices all having the same issues. Also have tried the managed and unmanaged switches and they work fine. The UniFi networks I put up for my customers I have no such problems, have only had one Poe switch fail due to lightning strike at customers house.

[@BerkeleyTowers]

It's pretty important to say here whether you've used TP-Link consumer products or the Omada products? Don't know where you are and what your consumer rights are , but I'd (UK) be back at the retailer PDQ if it's that bad.

[@Statek63]

Hi, that does not sound good - but also you haven't provided any details on what was happening and what steps were taken to find out the root cause. If three AP were replaced without any change then I would be seriously looking for some other reason than HW failure or a general problem with the APs, especially as they were working fine earlier on.

[@recom273]

Looks nice - I wish I had known about it before I bought UniFi which I am really happy with - there are a couple of issues, paying for a cloud key when the software can be run on any server to hand - the switches aren’t available in my country.

[@zhenxiangcai1552]

Awesome video. Do all the APs and the controller have to be in the native VLAN? Can I set a tagged management VLAN then move all the devices into it? Thanks.

[@TechnoDadLife]

No, if I understand your question. Check the Omada site. They have a video on this.

[@Pabula]

Really amazing stuff, for sure seems like a cheaper UNIFI setup, hope they continue to grown their eco system with bigger POE switches, with SND support. Honestly if i didn't buy last years some Unifi Nanos, i would buy Omada to try it out.

[@randalllawkin]

New to me, thanks for the info tplink it is.

[@christophhaug]

Wow, and you didn't even need to mention any of the massive state of a mess that Ubiquiti currently is in (consistently buggy firmware, pulling features from their cloud key to force you into their cloud, ironically just after their cloud has been hacked, ...). Ubiquiti has apparently been investing into youtube influencers rather than quality control and development, so it's really great to see videos like this one that mention alternatives. I so much wanted to like my Unifi network and I really like the looks of the UDM (what other router do you actually want to put on display in your living room?), but my entire user experience is pointing me away from Unifi. But where to? Maybe TP-Link? Could you say something about cloud vs local? Are you dependent on the TP-link cloud or can everything be managed locally? If you were to find five flaws with TP-Link, what would these be?

[@TechnoDadLife]

Tp-link you manage your cloud locally and you can use a docker to do it. Or just manage each device through their web interface. I set up this system in my father house and can monitor with my phone. For my new to me house, I am installing an Aruba Instant On switch and APs. I like that the web interface shows just enough and not to much. I also can switch to local control and have things as complicated as I want. For my router, I will be using PfSense on a mini pc that has two Ethernet ports. Wiring will be cat 6 and I will have fiber going to my office/studio, so I can be ready for 40g in my house.

[@christophhaug]

@@TechnoDadLife So you prefer Aruba Instant On over TP-Link? Could you explain why? Also: I learned the hard way that if you want your unifi router (UDM) work properly, you need to throw out all non-Unifi switches and APs and replace them with Unifi ones. I was kinda assuming that the same would be the case with other network controllers, like Omada or Aruba. But are mixing Aruba with pfSense. So that works fine? Is it only Ubiquiti that are trying to build their own Apple-type ecosystem that sucks you in and never lets you go?

[@keithluken5790]

TPLink has some nice stuff, but they need to fill out the product lien and need more multigig switches.

[@DavidTelesPortugal]

Funny thing. I had made the exact same configuration of Omada Equipment but I am comparing it to the non-Pro Dream machine. It is precesely the same price for me. Is it worth it to have some more port but a giant mess of wires? (I don't have a server cabinet on my condo, and it will have to live in the media cabinet

[@BerkeleyTowers]

Big thumbs up from me too. Couldn't agree more.... two indoor and two outdoor AP's and the controller here. Rock solid and fast.... One of the indoor AP's is a meshed 245.... worth it for the extra channel/faster speeds/extra RJ45. I did struggle with the software controller and ended up spending on the hardware controller.... It does make things an order of magnitude easier...

[@TechnoDadLife]

I agree.

[@anujbhatia3337]

What’s so bad about the software controller? Thinking about this setup for a 1Gpbs symmetrical fiber line and I want handoff and advanced QoS features.

[@BerkeleyTowers]

@@anujbhatia3337 I can’t honestly remember off the top of my head now. My recollection was difficulty getting devices recognised. Also, I was trying to run it as an Unraid docker as well……. I gave up and splashed the cash….. my struggle was my struggle…. I’m sure others with more knowledge/ability will crack it.

[@anujbhatia3337]

@@BerkeleyTowers Yeah, I like to keep it simple. While I don't like spending extra cash, my time is worth more than the cost of a hardware controller.

[@geoff650r]

A $59 router concerns me when I have gig internet and want intrusion run detection/prevention. The switch and AP might be worthwhile, though. Assuming they can handle VLANs from pfsense or the like.

[@Monsieur2068]

The Edgrouter-X is wildly popular but is 50usd. And the switches and APs can handle vlans from pfsense, this is my exact setup at home.

[@ivoklijn271]

Great video, im concidering a upgrade myself. Does this system support Mesh? AC pro (without HD) does not support Mesh. Thanks!

[@Monsieur2068]

Does support mesh, requires controller 24/7 for mesh. I setup my neighbor mesh config, I recommend using the eap245 since it has an extra 5ghz radio for mesh.

[@PaterBoy17]

This is exactly why I went with the Omada series, as I was originally looking at Ubiquiti

[@brainsoft]

Only problem with Omada... No parental controls at all! Targeted at the business segment, not much thought to the prosumers. I love my EAP245 AP and I wanted so bad to get an Omada gateway but without parental controls I ended up with a Non-omada Archer AX50 router and just turned off the wifi. The UI is not great.

[@gekkehenkie0001]

I have a usg, ap pro and ck setup The reason... THE reason for me to dump UBI like it's stink, is because of the UI and UX Their login experience (3 different logins for every different part), proprietary 2FA, android app broken for the last 2 years and their upgrade issues is a complete pain when having spend so much money My question now is, how is the UX of TP link?

[@TechnoDadLife]

Similar

[@AgentMoler]

Nobody has answered this before but does the Omada system integrate well with Tp link’s consumer equipment?

[@TechnoDadLife]

They have to say Omada to integrate.

[@justangvano]

One thing that turned me off of TP Link is what people have described as giving all their privacy rights away when agreeing to their terms of service. Did you find that this was the case or is it just their consumer line?

[@Wahinies]

That might be the tplink kasa smart device line of products. Omada gear is a bit different and their version of the cloud key doesn't require internet connectivity so there's one area where privacy on Omada has a leg up.

[@ytmerdock]

Saw your other video with raspberry pi and pihole. I was using pihole with a dd-wrt router. I just got tl-r605, eap245, and controller. Are you using the pihole with the omada setup? I Haven’t been able to find good instructions how to set this up.

[@TechnoDadLife]

Glad I could help! Just use the pi as you dns server in Omada router.

[@rickybogoful]

not sure if you noticed, but the 8 LAN ports on the Dream Machine are NOT PoE.

[@TechnoDadLife]

Wow, this thing only gets more worse over time. If you try to use unifi protect features than you have to buy an additional PoE switch!

[@jozefgasparovic5859]

and all 8 ports have 1gbe backplain. but on another hend there are 2 sfp+ ports

[@bitTorrenter]

TP-Link offer the EAP245 which does AC1750, but interestingly the EAP225 has more powerful antennae.

[@TechnoDadLife]

The AP world is very strange. Every manufacturer does this.

[@ipsdon]

I purchased the units after your review. Can you share how to setup firewall rules on the switch where Staff network/vlan can access IOT network but not the other way around. I have exhausted every possibility for something seemingly a straight forward task using Permit/Deny rules at switch level without success.

[@davm001]

This is where Omada falls short. I went with all TPLink Omada gear as it seems like the right choice. All good until you want to setup VLANs for your IOT devices. Omada is lacking a few key features that Ubiquiti gets right. Accept Established and Related sessions and mDNS are two that are missing in order to satisfy the needs that most will consider a need if you are getting into this equipment. Unfortunately there aren't any videos that call this out to help get TPLink's attention.

[@MatthewCourville]

like your content, but the audio clicking is driving me crazy. You should be able to reduce that if you adjust your sampling rate on the audio capture software. 128 or 256 outta do it.

[@maen6043]

Hm currently if you look for the access points and have no need for other infrastructure than switching, unifi is way cheaper Unifi 6 Lite beats the EAP620HD in the pricepoint and has similar hardware specs Unifi 6 LR beats the EAP660 HD Ubiquiti EdgeRouter X SFP is a nice neady switch with sfp module, tp link has nothing which is this cheap with sfp I think tp-link needs to adjust its pricepoints, even there is still no full ipv6 support

[@fakryboy]

Can this AP handle 30-40 NoT and IoT for smart home usage + few mobile devices and other standard WiFi clients?

[@TechnoDadLife]

Looks like it. But of course, you should research it your self.

[@oscarmvl]

Do you know if the TP-Link router supports the equivalent of Smart Queues in Unifi (fq_codel)? I want to go for a single vendor to have everything managed in a single interface, but this advanced QoS is a very important feature for me.

[@TechnoDadLife]

Yes

[@viscopaul18]

Will this kind of setup work if we ommit the omada controller and then install the software version of omada instead?

[@TechnoDadLife]

Yes

[@lars-goranlindstrom7467]

Not so great comparison. Why not compare performance before making the judgment TP stuff is cheap. You get what you pay for.

[@briccimn]

:-) Yep.

[@Statek63]

There was no performance comparison in this review, rather a comparison of features and functionality - or did we watch different videos ?

[@ipsdon]

Is it possible to reuse eero (3 units mesh) in bridge mode as AP and plug into the smart switch? Will it show up in the controller?

[@brandonprice9986]

You could technically still use them but they will not be able to show up in the controller so you wouldn't be able to manage them that way.

[@ipsdon]

@@brandonprice9986 will the entire wifi network in bridge mode appear to Omada as one device?

[@wamote6867]

Is that cloud only? Or can you run the controller without internet connection, like you can do with a dream machine?

[@Monsieur2068]

You can run a local instance, the cloud controller is still "coming soon".

[@wamote6867]

@@Monsieur2068 Nice, thank you for the answer.

[@JudgeD-hc9vw]

Expandability for the TP Link system? Say i add the server you mention, but need 8 cameras, with a big enough switch, can this system handle it?

[@TechnoDadLife]

Yes, they have bigger Poe switches.

[@MrHD71]

What about the unifi 6 lite access point? Would it be better than ac1750?

[@TechnoDadLife]

If you are already using Unifi, but if not it does not make sense.

[@MrHD71]

@@TechnoDadLife What if im not?

[@MrHD71]

@@TechnoDadLife Would you recommend me get the unifi 6 lite or ac1750 for home usage? ac1750 is like 30$ cheaper where i live

[@MichaelTheCelt]

Does the system have intrusion prevention system ability?

[@TechnoDadLife]

You would have to look at the specs to see specifically what you are looking for.

[@MichaelTheCelt]

@@TechnoDadLife ok, thanks 😊

[@bretschwartz]

Why not just use one dream machine (not pro) with the built in wifi and be done? Why on earth would you install all that equipment for one measly access point?

[@dougle03]

Because many people will add more than one Access point. Most standard two story homes would benefit from an AP on each floor and possibly an external AP for garden/garage coverage. But also, the the Dream Machine is barely any better than a decent ISP issued all in one, save for a few features most people either won't bother or even understand how to best setup. ...

[@bretschwartz]

@@dougle03 sorry but that’s incorrect, the dream machine was built for exactly the same reasons you gave above. Meshing (or hardwire) additional access points is what makes it so powerful. Additionally, the dream machine has built in intrusion prevention, deep packet inspection and its all managed from a fantastic app.

[@G0ogs]

I,m not a IT guy but yes thier cameras are far to expensive as i do install ip cctv, and if you take the mick out of yourself like you did that makes you an ok guy.

[@TechnoDadLife]

My mail order bride is from there originally from England. I imported her from Canada though. She already made it across the pond. My English inlaws are the best.

[@L3gion3r]

Newb here. What is so special about ubiquity? why so many people drool over it?

[@pinkipromise]

supposedly enterprise level features at a cheap price of $500

[@gunjja13]

Hi Techno Dad. Did you ever try out the Routers from Mikrotik? I would love to hear your opinion about those ones.

[@TechnoDadLife]

Reviewing cloud switches now. I was looking at a 10 gig Mikrotik yesterday. It looks very tasty!

[@pirate6930]

Mikrotik is great! Ive used the Routers for years and they're very reliable. The gui makes configuration easy too!

[@brandonprice9986]

@@TechnoDadLife I run a MikroTik Hex S for my main router. Big learning curve but once you get used to it these things are bullet proof. I'd definitely recommend.

[@James_Knott]

Be careful with TP-Link. Some of their gear doesn't handle VLANs properly. I found this out the hard way with an access point and others discovered it with some switch models. Multicast packets can leak from the main LAN to the VLANs, which make it impossible to use IPv6 on a VLAN and can also cause some problems with IPv4. After I replaced the TP-Link AP with Unifi, the problem went away.

[@briccimn]

Perfectly said!

[@Statek63]

Oh, is "vlan leaking" still a (FUD) argument in 2021 ? ;-) I said FUD because you mentioned "some of their gear" which is kinda meaningless, they make tons of different devices. All of them based on merchant silicon which other vendors use too...

[@James_Knott]

@@Statek63 It wasn't FUD for me. I had that problem with a TL-WA901ND access point. With it, the IPv6 router advertisements from the main LAN would leak into the VLAN that I used for my guest WiFi. This meant I couldn't run IPv6 on that VLAN, as devices would wind up with the wrong address. The problem doesn't happen with my Unifi AP. I contacted TP-Link support about that problem and 1st level said it was supposed to work that way. 2nd level agreed it was a problem, but no fix was forthcoming for my version of the AP. Others, in the pfsense forum, have experienced it with at least the low cost managed switches. Hopefully, that problem has been fixed in later versions, but I have no info on that.

[@Statek63]

@@James_Knott TL-WA901ND specs do not quote IPv6 support as far, as I can see on their page, also that's a quite old product, isn't it ? Have you tried with any of their more current AP for which they quote IPv6 support ?

[@James_Knott]

@@Statek63 The management interface is IPv4 only, but that has nothing to do with what can be carried over the WiFi. It should be able to carry any valid Ethernet frame, which includes both IPv4 and IPv6, as well as many more frame types. I used that AP with IPv6 for over 8 years and other than the leakage problem, it worked fine. Here is a list of Ethertype numbers. Every Ethernet device should be able to pass all of them. www.iana.org/assignments/ieee-802-numbers/ieee-802-numbers.xhtml

[@alexandreb.6323]

Mikrotik + hAP / cAP's / wAP

[@TechnoDadLife]

This is Unifi Alternative. People who want Unifi will not want MikroTik. They want easy mode.

[@user-jh1mq2ih2u]

But it’s not really the same system... unify has stronger security measures and more options for vlans and multiple Ssd... you can also go with with cheaper alternative wired security camera options that have their own recorder

[@TechnoDadLife]

The stronger security measures and vlans are the router part. Switch to PF sense and then you have something more powerful than what you have now.

[@marine1718]

1 word for neste ubiquiti alternative is mikrotik

[@TechnoDadLife]

Cheap and complicated.

[@marine1718]

@@TechnoDadLife complicated until you learn after that u have the best router for price

[@marine1718]

I have set it up with the tp link deco m4 and couple of cheap Ali express switch

[@JackJacked]

does you father need so crazy WiFI? :D

[@TechnoDadLife]

Only because he is my father.

[@ghhoward]

Omada TP-LINK is missing IP6v but it is a footnote as a later development update.

[@vt1yj260]

1:51 unbeschreiblich

[@TechnoDadLife]

Guess you don't like Unifi.

[@PatriotAr15]

Even better? Buy used Unifi equipment.

[@TechnoDadLife]

Then it will be slow.

[@PatriotAr15]

The USG3 *is* pretty slow, if you enable IDS/IPS as it will throttle speeds down to 80mbps. I have the USG 4 Pro... It does not throttle my 150mbps connection. In fact, I typically get around 200mbps. Even if I were to enable IDS/IPS... it would throttle it to 250mbps. Plenty fast. I'm quite happy with my USG-4-Pro. I got it used for only $120. =) If I ever get a gigabit internet, I guess I'll upgrade to a UDM PRo.

[@briccimn]

OMG, please do not compare Omada to Ubiquiti UniFi... Please, also TP-Link technicians with whom I spoke admit they cannot barely be compared!

[@mosey4650]

your lack of details with your statement makes it almost worthless. Conjecture at best.

[@briccimn]

@@mosey4650 as the same compared to saying that Omada is better upon a price basis. Do you need some data? VLAN are very fragile: I contactedTP-Link because of a problem of a customer of mine wasn't able to navigate through an expressly created VLAN for guests in his office. The technician I already mentioned said that there are problems. Also, the firmware (as tech said!) are still several betas but aiming to a very robust one, but that is what is since the last year and a half... The habit of copying UBNT interface, as if they do want be UBNT with the tast of Taiwanese food. And so on. I do not say that they do not work, but, please, comparisons must be done more seriously.

[@Monsieur2068]

Unifi APs besides the HD are all mediatek cpus, ALL tp link aps are qualcomm which is the same CPU offered in the unifi HD, better firmware and offers wave 2 in all of there APs. So the techs where right they "cannot barely be compared".

[@Statek63]

@@Monsieur2068 the original post from @briccimn was not designed to survive your reality check :D

[@briccimn]

@@Statek63 call TP-Link, and ask them. CPUs are not the only part of a whole to be considered upon a use in everyday life. I use TP-Link, Ubiquiti, HP, Aruba... The point is that this video IS NOT honest if you compare two makers saying the price is the point to consider one better than the other, while the comparison is in how the devices must work and render your security / work / reliability THE point.

[@flyingmonkey3315]

no

[@Zeric1]

huh??