BEST BARGAIN AVR IN 2023! (NOT a review) | Discussion | Onkyo

[@WITHFULLFORCE66]

DACs RZ 50: Texas Inst. PCM1690 (24 Bit, 192kHz Sampling) DACs RZ 70: ESS Sabre ES8026Pro (36 Bit, 384kHz Sampling)

[@shawnblackmur7887]

To me the RZ50 with an Emotiva or Outlaw 5 channel amp is the best 7.1.4 bang for the buck out there.

[@ealanosborne]

Hell yes it is! 🤘

[@danemoreno88]

Yup absolutely but outlaw for me had both and the outlaw is superior

[@Audiomainia2310]

Agreed - and now only $1,178.00 on Amazon.

[@djaj423]

@@Audiomainia2310 now only 1032. the price war is on daily..will get as backup when it drops below a grand..anyday now.

[@mark17840]

@@ealanosborne i have the onkyo rz-50 with emotiva 5 channel amp let me tell you the sound is amazing .

[@danemoreno88]

I’d love a rz70 but not paying more than double the price I paid for the rz50

[@joonyrlee]

Thank you for this great comparison tip. However, I found that the info needs couple correction. For example, RZ70 has 2 subwoofers controlled independently. The Crutchfield has revised the comparison for the subwoofer as of now. Also, I would highlight that Auro 3D upmixing is there in RZ70 as an optional update, which is not shown in the Crutchfield comparison.

[@ealanosborne]

Thanks for the heads up! 🤘

[@Kevingc1]

Where did you see that the RZ70 could process 13 channels. I've gone through the manual and cannot find that.

[@joonyrlee]

@@Kevingc1 My sincere apology. You are right in that RZ70 can process 11 channels only. I mis-interpreted the spec sheet reading 13 preamp out as 13 processing. Again, my apology and I've edited my feedback to reflect this findings.

[@joonyrlee]

@@ealanosborne My sincere apology. You are right in that RZ70 can process 11 channels only. I mis-interpreted the spec sheet reading 13 preamp out as 13 processing. Again, my apology to you and whoever already read my feedback. I've edited my writing to reflect this findings.

[@ealanosborne]

@@joonyrlee No worries! I was a little miffed that Crutchfield's website wasn't exactly 100% up to date on the specs breakdown, but it is what it is. 😄

[@marklloyd4153]

I buy 90% of my equipment from Crutchfield . Love Crutchfield. RZ50 is now $1199 .love my RZ50 powering my Focal Chora atmos surround with a SVS PB1000 Pro . I enjoy movies and streaming Spotify . I bought everything either on sale or clearance. My bargain system brings me great happiness when I come home from work .

[@ealanosborne]

Awww, that's so great to hear! Thank you!

[@MrSteveCasper]

Have you tried playing youtube videos from a PC via the HDMI connections on the RZ50? I'm having to send mine back because the videos start then 4 seconds later the sound kicks in. If I pause then restart the video I get the same delay before the sound starts. Curious if this is a widespread issue or if I just got a bad one. If everybody else is having the same issue I'll give up on ordering another one from a different source.

[@troymack5259]

I have a rz50 I run 7.2.4 thanks to you I got the Costco klipsch speakers you recommended 5.0 I added 2 r41 bookshelf speakers and 2 klipsch in ceiling speakers

[@ealanosborne]

What a combo! 🤘😎

[@MrSteveCasper]

Have you tried playing youtube videos from a PC via the HDMI connections on the RZ50? I'm having to send mine back because the videos start then 4 seconds later the sound kicks in. If I pause then restart the video I get the same delay before the sound starts. Curious if this is a widespread issue or if I just got a bad one. If everybody else is having the same issue I'll give up on ordering another one from a different source.

[@stephencooper6499]

I had the same issue on my Sony Bravia TV. The fix for me was to turn off earc on the TV but leave it on on the RZ-50. Hope this helps.​@MrSteveCasper

[@charlesking678]

To me part of what makes the rz50 special is the insane price to performance ratio. The massive jump in price kinda kills it for me.

[@ealanosborne]

Agreed!

[@waterstill7100]

I bought my RZ 70 at $1,899 from BH Photos last week.

[@ofcourseimfullofit]

I love your channel. I can listen to you and understand what you're saying. Thanks for the info man!

[@ealanosborne]

You’re welcome! 😁🤘

[@ITWINGMAN]

The RZ70 has Bi-Amp Left, Center and Right channels, I have the RZ50 which you can only Bi-Amp Left and Right channels, Bi-Amping the RZ50 is knight and day, now I do not need separate amps very happy except for now the RZ70 has Bi-Amp Center Channel. Note when you Bi-Amp you give up your ATMOS can you please verify, I rather have Bi-Amp over ATMOS if I had to choose. Sony ES STR-AZ7000ES does not have or show Bi-Amp Left, Center and Right channel.

[@whitecrowuk575]

This only makes difference with speakers that dip into 4ohm and lower since AVR amps can’t deal with that well. If you get external amp that can then this passive bi amping won’t make a difference anymore

[@emiliofederici9459]

Elan, I'm sorry, but in this case you (mislead by Crutchfield) are giving wrong information: the RZ-70 DOES HAVE INDEPENDENT subwoofer outputs (otherwise it'd not be able to get the Dirac Live Bass Control Multi-channel option). Crutchfield has already corrected their site: I've checked right now and it now says "Yes" in the "Discrete Subwoofer Output" field of the RZ-70, you should edit this video.

[@ealanosborne]

Yes I’ve been informed of this as well. 🤘

[@Cakebattered]

$2800 for the RZ70 with an amplifier section that can only garner a THX Select certification? That's just sad. Buy an RZ50 and a separate 11 channel amplifier and you will have a better system. If the independent sub out is your thing, a Mini-dsp DDRC-24 will help you there too. You can probably buy an RZ-50, separate amp, and DDRC-24 for less than the price of an RZ70.

[@ealanosborne]

Yep! Pretty ridiculous price difference between the two.

[@austinabbott1120]

The sub hdmi out just duplicates the main. It does 4k120/8k60 as well since the main tv will automatically downgrade resolution and hz to match the capabilities of the tv connected to the "sub".

[@ealanosborne]

Ahhhhhhh, THANKS! 🤘

[@waterstill7100]

Easy pick. With RZ70, no need for external amp. Save money and headache for many of us.

[@mattgiunt]

Would you say the Sony 5000 ES is worth that 800 dollar jump over the RZ50 in sound quality alone?

[@ealanosborne]

Yeesh…well, I’d say maybe not, just because the RZ50 has Dirac Live already built in, which def rivals 360 Spatial Sound Mapping. 😬🤷‍♂️

[@mattgiunt]

@@ealanosborne thanks

[@john-y128]

From the TX-RZ70 Subwoofer Outputs (p41)- Connect a powered subwoofer with this unit using a subwoofer cable. Up to two powered subwoofers can be connected. • Different signals are output from the PRE OUT 1 and PRE OUT 2 terminals. The volume level can also be set separately. (p136) . (P136) - Double Bass: This can only be selected when the setting for "Configuration" - "Subwoofer" is "1ch" or "2ch", and the "Front" setting is "Full Band". Boost bass output by feeding bass sounds from the front left and right speakers and the center speaker to the subwoofer. "On": Bass output is boosted. "Off": Bass output is not boosted. • This function is not automatically set even if AccuEQ Room Calibration or Dirac Live is performed.

[@ealanosborne]

Thanks! 🎉

[@maejrmusic]

does anyone notice that his res lossless from apple is now supported to earbuds….or is is just me who never noticed?

[@dadevastator24_77]

It would have been great if Onkyo made the RZ50 with independent sub outputs

[@ealanosborne]

Yeah, I know 😫

[@dadevastator24_77]

@@ealanosborne they should have done this for there RZ line at least.

[@thiagodelgado3128]

Gene Della Sala sayd thats miss of independent sub output make he so great by the price

[@StuStuart]

miniDSP 2x4 or miniDSP Flex with REW and MSO fixes that issue

[@takacsistvan1686]

@@StuStuart this is true. However, you have to forget about DLBC...unfortunately...

[@weduhpeople8504]

I just got the RZ50 from Amazon for $999. The RZ70 is going for $1999 and the RZ50 went up $50 as of today. Best bang for the buck AV 7.2.4 Atmos receiver.

[@ealanosborne]

I agree!

[@roberthendricks5154]

I have the older NR797 receiver. Running it in 5.2.4 setup. It sounds great. How much of an improvement would I really be getting stepping up to either of these two? Thanks!

[@MultiDragola]

Dirac is game changing sounds so good when set right

[@ealanosborne]

The biggest different would be once you invest in external amps, honestly. Allowing your AVR to only worry about processing audio and not needing to also POWER speakers does wonders to sound quality and channel separation. 🤘 I had the NR787 for many years and it was great!

[@roberthendricks5154]

@ealanosborne Thank you. External amps may be my next improvement down the line. I'm running all Klipsch speakers with 2 12 inch powered subs. It more than shakes the house now. But i have to run the AVR at volume level 65 when watching Atmos movies to get the sound quality I prefer. But for now, it will do. More amps later. Thanks for the advice!.

[@fonkenful]

@@ealanosborne Indeed, other than the physical dimensions required when implementing all outboard amps as you noted, the RZ50 suddenly looks like one hellaciously great value as a processor alone. First world problems 😂 I had an NR818 for a few years - still a nice toy - but “upgraded” to a RZ740 to allow me to experiment with Atmos. Of course that’s a whole other world of analysis paralysis as regards to revised room configuration and speaker locations. Oh, and final note - in Canada, the RZ50 is still available at $2200, while the RZ70 is $4200 (Gibbys - sorta our mini-Canuck Crutchfield😂) Yes, those are Canadian pesos, but even at current exchange rate of, let’s say .75, that’s a major delta.

[@arielrodriguez6980]

IDK, I had high expectations for the rz50 but with Dirac on I get loud speaker pops and receiver goes into protection mode. This only happens with Dirac turned on.

[@amigatommy7]

Bought my first non Onkyo speaker for the system to update the center channel. Running a Denon 4800H.

[@ronmecca100]

If you had to rank the Denon X3800, the Rz50, and the Sony 5300ES how would you place them?

[@ealanosborne]

The X3800H and RZ50 are neck and neck between their pros and cons. If you spent the extra money for Dirac with the X3800H, then it'd be the winner, with up to 4 subwoofers and support for 6 height channels also. And did you mean the Sony AZ5000ES? If so, I would probably place that as #1 since it has a full set of pre outs, and 360 Spatial Sound Mapping is really cool!

[@ronmecca100]

@@ealanosborne I really appreciate the response. You are correct, I meant the Sony AZ5000ES. I keep going back and forth on these 3. If I picked up the 3800x I would definitely buy Dirac. I currently am running two SVS PB1000 Pros so I would also look at getting DLBC when it comes out. The Sony really has me intrigued. I loved my DN1080.

[@MaZEEZaM]

I completely agree about finding websites that only offer low resolution or non- magnifiable images, especially if I'm wanting to check something on the rear or worse directing someone else in connecting anything in the rear panel. Btw Andrew & Kristi Robinson are awesome and trustworthy people.

[@deepanmurugan467]

Anyone know what is the dimensions of the RZ70? Dimension is not mentioned anywhere in the Onkyo product page, spec sheet or manual. There are different dimensions mentioned on the internet, specifically the depth.

[@LongIslandBraves]

I have the TX-RZ50 and new Sony XR-85X95K on the TV sony apps I have picture BUT NO Audio. Went through all settings on both sides of sony and onkyo, spoke with sony they think its the Onkyo. Don't know what to do anymore. The apps do work on the TV speakers....HELP all brand new

[@ealanosborne]

Yikes! Sorry this is happening. I can only assume you’ve gone through all the RZ50 settings to make sure eARC is activated? Have you tried any other source besides the TV apps? Do you have a streamer (AppleTV, FireTV, etc) or Blu-Ray player that you could plug into the RZ50 to make sure you at least get sound out that way? So many possible factors involved here… 😬

[@LongIslandBraves]

@@ealanosborne yes Apple TV works with the sound an all I I love the rz50 sounds phenomenal everything is great just odd that part doesn’t work. When you hit the Sony remote options as in Bravia core, prime video etc. Shows video but no audio I can go around it on Apple TV but it’s just the point

[@ealanosborne]

@@LongIslandBraves So strange! There may be something wrong with the eARC feature alone? I might try to contact Onkyo to see if there are any troubleshooting steps that might help the situation. Other than that, your unit’s eARC might be broken? 🤷‍♂️😬

[@LongIslandBraves]

@@ealanosborne ok much appreciated keep me posted on it with the troubleshooting also my directv,cable goes through it as well works and all. Just for extra information. If you need it for troubleshooting Thanks for your help.

[@maxwellshaunmaybury3425]

Go to quick menu on remote, toggle to HDMI and togggle, "off" HDMI In exclusive mode. Hope that helps.

[@ekiquantameki7701]

hello, do you think rz50 or rz1100. It is obvious that the rz50 is much worse constructed, the calibration of Diaract Live is important as well as the support of the new consoles that I have. I have an external amplifier with the possibility of a power amplifier. Maybe it won't be so bad with the rz50?

[@ealanosborne]

Yeah, I don’t think it’ll be so bad with the RZ50, especially because of the next gen gaming features it has that the 1100 doesn’t. 🎉

[@BobElgin]

I had the Denon x3800 for 3 weeks and one of the channels went out. Took it back to Best Buy and picked up the Onkyo rz50 . What is your opinion for what i d did?

[@ealanosborne]

I think that’s a great trade off! Granted, the X3800H supports up to 4 subwoofers, but I know we all can’t afford or have enough space for 4. Other than that, Dirac Live is already built in, THX certified, etc. Should be great! 👍

[@BobElgin]

Thanx for the quick reply. I have a 7.2 system using the polk signature series.2 es60 , 4 es 20,es35 center,hts12 12" sub and a pinnacle cs 88 sub. Looknd forward to hearing. Come in on the 21 . Just a few days. Will be checking your youtube channel for setup!!! @@ealanosborne

[@GlassWolfLH]

If you're powering your speakers externally, use an Integra control amp, instead of an Onkyo amplified receiver. You're paying for features you're not using, but that still add more THD (which isn't as simple, or clear-cut as you imply.) Also, if you do use internal power, just look at the difference in the amplifiers inside of the receivers to see what you're paying for. It's not just the power rating, but the build quality, type of amp, etc. This is why a Pass Labs class-A amplifier will cost a lot more than an Emotiva class A/B of the same "power rating (RMS.) Sure, the RZS50 is cheaper, and offers a lot of the same features, which make it a better bargain. PS, Crutchfield is ALWAYS overpriced, and charge MSRP for everything. I can buy an RZ50 right now, BNIB for about $800 by just shopping around a llittle.

[@michaelmarquez6133]

I have my onkyo rz50 coming in Friday, as of right now I have for left right b&w 706 s2 an HTM 7 for center B&W and cdm1 for surround all B&W I plan on putting at least 2 in ceiling maybe 4 not sure yet I'm being told I need an amp for the left right any thoughts ?

[@MaestroPrep]

My RX50 will be delivered today! My choices were Onkyo rz50, Denon 3800, Pioneer 505... The RX price, quality of build vs features sold me.. the 3800 was my first choice.. just too expensive and no dirac..

[@ealanosborne]

Hell yeah, dude! I’m excited for you! 😁🤘

[@euclidesortiz7766]

Who is good to music rz50 or rz70??

[@ealanosborne]

They’re both pretty good, although they’re slightly more geared towards movies/TV. The RZ70 has better internal amps, so if you have fairly power hungry speakers, that may be the better buy. Although if you use external amps, that would negate the need for better internal amps, so you could go with the RZ50 and save some money.

[@setorliguddah]

Andrew Robinson says the rz50 is very good with music..like very good

[@ebarbie5016]

The RZ50 got very bad measurments results on ASR, which drove off the RZ70. I ended up getting the Denon X4800H instead. I only have two subwoofers, but as soon as Dirac ART or Bass Control becomes an option for Denon, I'll consider getting at least a third sub.

[@Cakebattered]

The RZ50's poor measurements on ASR was for its amplifier section. The SINAD score was actually better for the preamp section of the RZ50 than the Denon X3800H.

[@whitecrowuk575]

Rz70 power section is better much better

[@ttangomd]

RZ50 is $999 this week and I have it on order. There’s a whole population of people that have 4-8 TV screens for watching sports. I have 8. The RZ50 and one AVR in Onkyo’s lower line can support audio switching for up to 9 screens. That’s a big deal for multi-screen setups as it lets you avoid an HDMI Matrix. Does it matter that a bunch of those audio fees will be analog? Nope, that’s fine. The efficiency of the RZ50 paired with a Harmony Ultimate along with the 50s other features make it a no brainer for those ever-increasing multi screen setups.

[@ealanosborne]

Wow! So many screens! 🎉

[@gina4008]

I have the Onkyo RZ50 using Klipsch RP 7.1 speakers (planning to add 2 more speakers) that has been calibrated with Dirac Live but I'm having to push my volume up to 60 to get decent volume. You mentioned in your video that you "externally power your channels"....I'm assuming you're using a separate power amplifier? If so, which power amp do you use or recommend for the Onkyo RZ50? Thanks!

[@ealanosborne]

Depends on your budget! Most budget friendly external amplifiers are Class AB which put out lots of power. 💪 Emotiva BasX amps are the least expensive, yet still push some serious and clean power. Starke Sound has some excellent amps (Fiera4 & Fiera8) for a little more, if it’s in your budget. 🤘

[@gina4008]

@@ealanosborne Thanks for your suggestions. And BTW... I ALWAYS get an education watching your videos. Thanks for the videos!

[@ealanosborne]

@@gina4008 Awww, I really appreciate that. Thank you. 😊🎉

[@824tonimarie]

Thank you for this very detail spec by spec video. You clarified a lot for me. Not upgrading . I'm staying with my RZ 50👍

[@ealanosborne]

@@824tonimarie You're welcome!

[@MrSteveCasper]

Have you tried playing youtube videos from a PC via the HDMI connections on the RZ50? I'm having to send mine back because the videos start then 4 seconds later the sound kicks in. If I pause then restart the video I get the same delay before the sound starts. Curious if this is a widespread issue or if I just got a bad one. If everybody else is having the same issue I'll give up on ordering another one from a different source.

[@ealanosborne]

Huh…first time I’ve heard of this issue, but thanks for sharing! Could be something Onkyo needs to address… 🤷‍♂️

[@razhua]

how about the sony es str az 500es a little more expensive than the rz 50 but I hear great things about it

[@franma5122]

HiEalan, may I know if RZ50 can do : a) bi-amp for front speakers with 5.1.4 and b) bi-amp for front speakers with 5.1.2 and zone 2 connection? I didn’t find such configuration in the manual showing the connection methods, thanks!

[@ealanosborne]

Doesn’t look like it can do either of those scenarios while simultaneously bi-amping, according to Page 132 of the manual. Bi-amping defaults to “no” when two sets of height channels are used (so it won’t work with 5.1.4). And also “no” when a Zone 2 has been set up.

[@jaredhylton6591]

That would require 11 channels, the RZ50 only has 9.

[@ramonbmovies]

Though Crutchfield is great, I'd prefer to say, "Did you Ealan Osborne it?" I'm wondering now if I should've gotten the Onkyo rather than the Emotiva MR1. I'll be posting my review of the MR1 soon. Maybe you and I could do a collab - especially if you're coming to the Boston area?

[@ealanosborne]

Oof…I’m in Northern California, so an in-person collab would be EXPENSIVE! 😄 Congrats on the MR1, though. I just hooked up the MC1 which I’ll be reviewing. 🤘

[@ramonbmovies]

@@ealanosborne Yikes! That's far! Well, maybe we could do a Zoom call like what a few other guys do - Youthman, there's a Dad guy, and another man.

[@gowthamk5392]

So with a 2 chnl external amp we can make it as11 channel ryt!? Now planning to upgrade!! But confused btw TXNR7100 vs RZ50

[@ealanosborne]

Yes, the RZ50 can process up to 11 channels with the help of an external amp. 👍

[@gowthamk5392]

@@ealanosborne so bttr to go with RZ50 ryt!?

[@ealanosborne]

@@gowthamk5392 Better bargain, that’s for sure. 🤷‍♂️

[@gowthamk5392]

@@ealanosborne thnk u 😄

[@gowthamk5392]

@@ealanosborne in crutchfield i hv seen in rz50 one question is how much is the pre out volt output!? Its given 1 V. What is the significance of tat!?

[@tulio3571]

Hi there i am trying to decide between the RZ70 and the RZ50 , i mainly need it for music , the difference now is about $1000 . The RZ70 is 140 watts and the RZ50 is 130 watts , will i be able to tell the difference when listening to music ? thank you

[@ealanosborne]

The biggest difference regarding music will be the fact that the RZ70 has an ESS SABRE DAC in it. All the audiophiles salivate over a SABRE DAC. 🤤 Yeah, more money, but worth it if you can spend like a baller. 😎🎉

[@razhua]

Ealan the rz 70 has discrete sub outputs, when I did the comparison in crutchfiled it said so as well weird that you got a different info in your screen

[@ealanosborne]

Apparently it has been updated the day after I filmed that segment. 😄 Just my luck.

[@arielstereo5484]

I just tried dirac 3 point calibration. It's ok not night and day like xt32. Pioneer lx505.

[@ronaldbulatao]

Hi Ealan, which recievers have pre amp modes? Thanks for your informative videos for newbies like me

[@ealanosborne]

Off the top of my head, the 2020 Denon and Marantz 9+ channel models and newer have a preamp mode (X3700H, X4700H, X6700H, SR6015, SR7015, X3800H, X4800H, Cinema 70S, Cinema60, Cinema50, Cinema40) etc.

[@CSEducator]

The RZ50 looks real good. However, I am still rocking my RZ830 from a few years ago. I am going to keep it for a while. maybe the RZ70 will be 1299.99 when i am ready for a change😆

[@ealanosborne]

It’s possible! 😄

[@austinabbott1120]

Also rocking an rz830 as well, got the thing 3 years ago for $450 open box and haven't looked back...until now lol. Anyone know if the rz50 has better sound than the rz830/840? Or is it mostly just updated format compatibility(IMAX Enhanced) and hdmi 2.1 support? Seeing prices around $1100 on ebay and it's getting tempting to upgrade, but not for just those features.

[@CSEducator]

@@austinabbott1120 When the price dips i might upgrade 😀

[@ramdhawad8084]

Can I use any stereo receiver ( like Sony STR DTH190 ) as an external amp to pair with this for the 7.2.4 set up ? Thank you in advance.

[@ealanosborne]

Yes, technically you can, but there may be unwanted issues that you’ll have to deal with, like always needing to turn on the receiver and stereo amp manually, since the DH190 in particular doesn’t have a trigger input to automatically turn on when the receiver turns on, like a true external amp would have. Also there’s the volume difference - having to match the volumes of each unit - and unwanted audio processing that the stereo receiver might add to the signal, unless the stereo amp has a “pure direct” mode, adding no processing whatsoever. In a pinch, it’s okay, but not advised. I sometimes use a Peachtree Nova300 in my system because it’s a stereo integrated amp that has “home theater bypass” mode which integrates seamlessly into a larger system, and also has a trigger input.

[@ramdhawad8084]

Greta info and very helpful. Thank you Ealan! One more question, does one need an external amp for a 7.1.4 set up with the Rz50 ? I see 11 channels on the back. 9 + the 2 in the Zone 2. Sorry this is all new to me. In case I do need an external amp, for a 7.1.4 set up, which one would you recommend please ? Again, many thanks for all your help.

[@ealanosborne]

@@ramdhawad8084 Yes, you would need an external amp to power a 7.1.4 system. I’d recommend the Emotiva BasX A2 or even A2m depending on your budget. 🎉

[@ramdhawad8084]

Thank you Ealan! Much appreciated. Enjoy watching your videos and has helped immensely.

[@mikeortiz2139]

When I was looking to upgrade my Sony AVR, I was looking at the X4700H, and read rumors of the RZ70/RZ90 on Audio Science Review. With the big success of the RZ50, I thought I'd wait for the RZ70 and I could see it being about $2K. Ended up getting sticker shocked at the insane cost the RZ70 and I just got the X4700H after all. I wish it had Dirac, but there are ways around that, and I got Auro. Eventually I'll end up with an HTP-1, most likely in a few years.

[@ealanosborne]

Sounds like a plan! 🤘

[@fonkenful]

And of course in those few years time the landscape will change yet again. For some use cases - let’s say maybe septuagenarian or beyond boomers ( the cohort in which my date of birth places me) with no gaming or even physical media requirements - WISA or some likely successor may make enough technical headway to be a viable alternative. Depending on room layout, even advanced wireless connectivity sound bars / multichannel systems such as the Nak Dragon could be very attractive for those less than anal about surfing the bleeding edge of FOMO. I’d still be inclined towards physical discrete in ceilings for the overhead effects bubble, which as much as I’m not a fan of all of their speakers I’ve heard so far, Sonos’ ecosystem delivers great flexibility. No amount of power, signal processing/EQ or number of speaker channels will obviate the need to get the room dialed in first; for most of us there’s always some compromise - it’s just a matter of pick your poison.

[@rmp5841]

@mikeortiz2139 I actually started out with the Onkyo TX-RZ50, I purchased it from Audio Advice when it was still listed at $1399... However, I had a very difficult time with the Dirac Live software and was unable to optimize the calibration curves that I was expecting... When contacting Audio Advice for tech support, I could never reach anybody through phone support, despite leaving numerous voice messages... I also contacted Onkyo technical support as well, but they also weren't able to provide any real support... Unfortunately, as much as I was hoping the experience with the RZ50 would meet my expectations, I was very disappointed, to say the very least, but mostly because of my negative experience with Dirac Live... Needless to say, I ended up returning the Onkyo TX-RZ50 back to Audio Advice within the 30-day return policy... I also found out months later after returning the RZ50, I came across several KZbin videos that recommend purchasing the Mini DSP Umik-1 when running the Dirac Live software, but unfortunately, I wasn't aware of that at the time and assumed running the Dirac Live software with the included puck mic from Onkyo would be compatible, but I found out the hard way the included puck mic is only compatible with the Dirac Live basic version which is built-in with the receiver...At any rate, I was also very disappointed with the Dirac Live automatic built-in function as well... Fast forward, I went on to purchase the Denon AVR-X4700H directly from Denon which had a sale price of $1299 just prior to being discontinued before the release of the new Denon AVR-X3800H and AVR-X4800H receivers... What I found stands out from Denon over Onkyo is my Denon AVR-X4700H includes 2 independent subwoofer outputs whereas the Onkyo RZ50 dual sub outputs are not independent from one another... I also had a much more pleasant experience with setting up and running Audyssey room correction over Dirac Live, as it was much easier to understand the interface whether running the automatic version directly through the AVR-X4700H or optional Audyssey MultEQ-X app software for giving end users greater control over calibration parameters and more detailed information about their room acoustics. In the end, I've been very pleased with the Denon AVR-X4700H during the past 2 years and in my honest opinion, it provides the best bang for the buck performance over the competition, hands down and offers more features!

[@rmp5841]

I actually started out with the Onkyo TX-RZ50, I purchased it from Audio Advice when it was still listed at $1399... However, I had a very difficult time with the Dirac Live software and was unable to optimize the calibration curves that I was expecting... When contacting Audio Advice for tech support, I could never reach anybody through phone support, despite leaving numerous voice messages... I also contacted Onkyo technical support as well, but they also weren't able to provide any real support... Unfortunately, as much as I was hoping the experience with the RZ50 would meet my expectations, I was very disappointed, to say the very least, but mostly because of my negative experience with Dirac Live... Needless to say, I ended up returning the Onkyo TX-RZ50 back to Audio Advice within the 30-day return policy... I also found out months later after returning the RZ50, I came across several KZbin videos that recommend purchasing the Mini DSP Umik-1 when running the Dirac Live software, but unfortunately, I wasn't aware of that at the time and assumed running the Dirac Live software with the included puck mic from Onkyo would be compatible, but I found out the hard way the included puck mic is only compatible with the Dirac Live basic version which is built-in with the receiver...At any rate, I was also very disappointed with the Dirac Live automatic built-in function as well... Fast forward, I went on to purchase the Denon AVR-X4700H directly from Denon which had a sale price of $1299 just prior to being discontinued before the release of the new Denon AVR-X3800H and AVR-X4800H receivers... What I found stands out from Denon over Onkyo is my Denon AVR-X4700H includes 2 independent subwoofer outputs whereas the Onkyo RZ50 dual sub outputs are not independent from one another... I also had a much more pleasant experience with setting up and running Audyssey room correction over Dirac Live, as it was much easier to understand the interface whether running the automatic version directly through the AVR-X4700H or optional Audyssey MultEQ-X app software for giving end users greater control over calibration parameters and more detailed information about their room acoustics. In the end, I've been very pleased with the Denon AVR-X4700H during the past 2 years and in my honest opinion, it provides the best bang for the buck performance over the competition, hands down and offers more features!

[@GregFarrell-y2d]

I believe that the RZ 70 is worth the extra money. I have seen it on sale for $2,299. For those that are going to use the internal amplifiers, it will be worth the extra power for the Home Theater set ups.

[@arndtbc]

What do you think about these units compared to the Marantz Cinema 50?

[@ealanosborne]

When the RZ50 is on sale, it’s a better bargain than the Cinema 50. I think the punchy THX cinema sound I prefer better than the smoother Marantz sonic signature, since it’s made to be a very nice music player too. 🤷‍♂️

[@arndtbc]

@@ealanosborne I hear you, I want something thats a smoother for music, I just like that type of sound. Thanks! Love your Channel!

[@jlebeau5150]

Dang it Ealan I didn’t wake up today thinking I was gonna have to consider upgrading my AVR!!! Great video

[@ealanosborne]

😄😄

[@leighdog5866]

hello ealan, i dont know why the RZ50 is one thousand dollars cheaper in america than australia for me to buy ? the RZ50 is the one that i want , but im getting drawn to the X3800H coz its way cheaper than the RZ50 in OZ , i would love to see a video of RZ50 vs X3800H 🤜🤛 , thanks

[@ealanosborne]

Hmmm…well, they are very comparable. I still like the THX certification and overall cinema signature sound of the RZ50, but with such a price difference in your region, the x3800h is still great. Support for 4 subwoofers and Dirac Live is great (although Dirac costs extra).

[@leighdog5866]

@@ealanosborne the denon is about 500 cheaper than the rz50 atm in my currency , the denon live feature for the dirac was about a extra 300 to add i think since last time i checked .

[@Eki274]

Nie zgodzę się jak masz kolumny podłogowe na froncie rz70 vs rz50 ma znaczenie i to kolosalne.5.2.4 rz1100 się krztusił a jest mocniejszy od rz50.Rz70 w tym ustawieniu Bez problemu nie muszę dołączać rotel ra1572 jako końcówki mocy.

[@madcrabber1113]

Nice to see they are not made in China. Wish they had multi channel DSD through HDMI instead of only stereo but it's better than not having it. As of today 1/6/2023 the Pioneer VSX-LX505 is available at Adorama for under $800.

[@MrTchou]

I have the Rz70 and it DOES have the multichannel DSD on hdmi, first SACD i played was the dark side of the moon,.

[@richardevans1009]

How does the sound of the Integra 5.4 compare to the RZ50? I am 50% music 50% video so I am looking for great sound from my receiver. Anyone know the answer?

[@ealanosborne]

What I’ve gathered from watching other reviews is that Onkyo is the home theater leaning brand, Pioneer leans a little more movies AND music, and Integra is better suited for home integration/network home theater systems (since they’re all under the same umbrella). So maybe the Pioneer LX505 would be good for your hybrid movie/music needs? 🤷‍♂️

[@MaZEEZaM]

In Australia the RZ50 costs $2,700 AUD and the RZ70 costs $5,000 AUD Almost double the RZ50 price even if I bought the RZ70 through Amazon Australia, price including shipping and import taxes, it would still cost $3,927 AUD. Certainly cheaper than $5K but still vastly more expensive than the RZ50 at local price which btw would incl local warranty if needed.

[@ealanosborne]

Yikes! Sorry, mate! 😳

[@ThetaxDeltax]

we got the lg c1. got it at a discount. Ultra low price. At some place. They said the z50 is the one to get. Well one with 8k connections. The TV is a 4k 120 TV. Kinda weird. Trying to save money here. The receiver came out years ago and still cost almost 2 grand. whats up. onkyo went out of business.

[@ThetaxDeltax]

I got no idea what zone 2 is.

[@mnrodriguez]

Does the RZ50 have subwoofer outputs?

[@ealanosborne]

2 of them, yes. 🙌

[@rmp5841]

The RZ50 does include dual subwoofer outputs, but they are NOT independant outputs!

[@ATLballer]

just purchased the rz50......pushing classic RF7.......FIRST ONKYO....im a denon and yamaha fan.......hoping for a great receiver

[@MrSteveCasper]

Have you tried playing youtube videos from a PC via the HDMI connections on the RZ50? I'm having to send mine back because the videos start then 4 seconds later the sound kicks in. If I pause then restart the video I get the same delay before the sound starts. Curious if this is a widespread issue or if I just got a bad one. If everybody else is having the same issue I'll give up on ordering another one from a different source.

[@ATLballer]

@@MrSteveCasperWAS WORRIED after reading your comment.....thankfully no problems on sound.....i did have to replace a hmdi cable.....the txrz50 is sensitive on cables.....try different cables

[@anthonyalvarado1635]

I have the rz 50 and I love it. I heard th rz 70 and couldn't distinguish them apart sonically andni have a pretty refined ear.

[@ealanosborne]

Whoa cool! Good to know! 😀🙌

[@MrSteveCasper]

Have you tried playing youtube videos from a PC via the HDMI connections on the RZ50? I'm having to send mine back because the videos start then 4 seconds later the sound kicks in. If I pause then restart the video I get the same delay before the sound starts. Curious if this is a widespread issue or if I just got a bad one. If everybody else is having the same issue I'll give up on ordering another one from a different source.

[@haruchiopagani3367]

HDMI Sub and main comes in handy if you have a TV and a projector in the same room. One difference (and an important one) you didn't talk about is the weight difference between the RZ50 (30.9lbs) and the RZ70 (48.5lbs). There may simply be better quality components inside other than just the extra amp channels and 2 optical and coax inputs :)

[@marconista5390]

I don't trust the build quality of rz50 bcoz 9-11 channel but about 13 kgs only like other model of denon/marantz 13 kgs only, unlike other brands build like a tank.

[@GlassWolfLH]

@@marconista5390 The lighter weight comes from the use of class-D "digital" amplification these days (ala Pioneer Elite) versus older larege toroidal transformers to drive big class A/B amplification channels. I saw this weightg shift moving from an NR1010 to an RZ3100, when they made the switch at Onkyo from A/B to D.

[@computerenthusiast402]

I purchased the Budget AVR Onkyo TX-NR5060 from Costco For $399. It was full of Bugs and Problems at First but the Firmware upgrade fixed allot of the Problems. But it Still has some problems with Headset Sync and HDMI eArc. But that might be a problem From my Old Cable box being Slow. Other than that it works Great. It’s just Really Cheaply made. But I think Onkyo put all the MONEY into the AMP and Sound Quality and NOT the sheet metal case shell or Remote control.

[@ealanosborne]

Yeah that sounds about right. But I’m glad the audio quality is great, at least! 😁🙌

[@Rockovissi]

There they are. My old love and my new love. My new love is lookin’ a little too superficial though for me!

[@essonrebollo8569]

Hello, gud am. I to ask something about new model of Sony AVR, if they model for power input 220 volts for asia usage. Philippines, thank you very much.

[@ealanosborne]

I assume anything sold in the Philippines would support 220 volts 🤷‍♂️

[@danhammer1278]

Still relevant since the RZ30 came out Ealan?

[@ealanosborne]

Mostly, yeah. The RZ30 is great, but since it’s new, it’s $1,200 roughly, and it only supports up to a 5.2.4 speaker configuration. Whereas the RZ50 can support up to a 7.2.4 configuration with the help of an external amp, if that’s more your goal. And right now, the RZ50 is $999 on crutchfield.com. 🤷‍♂️

[@henryquezada8482]

I just purchased the rz50, not worth to pay double for the rz70

[@MrSteveCasper]

Have you tried playing youtube videos from a PC via the HDMI connections on the RZ50? I'm having to send mine back because the videos start then 4 seconds later the sound kicks in. If I pause then restart the video I get the same delay before the sound starts. Curious if this is a widespread issue or if I just got a bad one. If everybody else is having the same issue I'll give up on ordering another one from a different source.

[@quangtruong159]

Very very good review. Thanks much!!!

[@ealanosborne]

You're welcome! 😎

[@razhua]

they are both so similar yet the rz 70 is close to 20 pounds heavier, 1 pound heavier per extra watt of power?? lol what is taking 10 extra pounds

[@ealanosborne]

They just added some extra lead bricks in it just to add weight. 😄 J/K. Well, it does have 2 more amps and heat sinks than the RZ50. Maybe more robust amps? Hard to say.

[@panamalee]

7:46 Sub refers to a secondary monitor/projector/etc. Not a Subwoofer. Great video BTW.

[@ealanosborne]

Thanks!

[@brentsmith1746]

The rz70 has discrete subwoofer outputs

[@fonkenful]

If you don’t mind a bit of futzing around behind the curtain, you can probably achieve similar or even more flexible multiple subwoofer control with a miniDSP2x4HD for a shit ton less money than the difference in cost these two models. There is no such thing as future proof.

[@askmatt7283]

@@fonkenful This is the exact path I took: TX-RZ50 plus miniDSP2x4HD and its still $1k less than a RZ70. There is a bit of a learning curve with the miniDSP but the results are worth it. Definitely the best value in Home Theater currently 🍺

[@MrSteveCasper]

@@askmatt7283 Have you tried playing youtube videos from a PC via the HDMI connections on the RZ50? I'm having to send mine back because the videos start then 4 seconds later the sound kicks in. If I pause then restart the video I get the same delay before the sound starts. Curious if this is a widespread issue or if I just got a bad one. If everybody else is having the same issue I'll give up on ordering another one from a different source.

[@askmatt7283]

@@MrSteveCasper Unfortunately, I have not tried playing anything from a PC on to the RZ50 via HDMI. Hopefully it works out for you.

[@jaris.5732]

I have RZ50, LCR have external 3x300w 8ohm amp and setup at this moment is 7.1.2 subs are 4 x 18" sealed and they have DSPeaker Anti-Mode Cinema calibration.

[@ealanosborne]

Whoooaaaa! What a system! 🤘🎉

[@MrSteveCasper]

Have you tried playing youtube videos from a PC via the HDMI connections on the RZ50? I'm having to send mine back because the videos start then 4 seconds later the sound kicks in. If I pause then restart the video I get the same delay before the sound starts. Curious if this is a widespread issue or if I just got a bad one. If everybody else is having the same issue I'll give up on ordering another one from a different source.

[@kobrathai1541]

I’m looking forward to the integra 8.4 review. 😊

[@off_key88]

AR's review of the RZ50 is what helped me make up my mind. Also, as you've pointed out, it's the best bang for the buck on a receiver WITH pre-outs. My basement theater is 'on hold' so I decided to upgrade my Den/TV room. It's currently a Yamaha 5.1 only receiver. I was looking for something to do 5.1.4 with, this one was the winner! I'm adding 4 height (on wall) channels onto the ceiling and can't wait to hear what I've been missing! The basement will be a 9.4.4 setup, so this won't be moving when I resume the basement theater. I am not sure yet whether the RZ-50 will cut it for "power", but this is a pretty small room, so I doubt I'll need to add any external amps. MAYYYYBE for the LCR speakers... but I haven't tried it without yet, so that remains to be seen..err... heard ;)

[@off_key88]

Also, some people say the lack of "Auro 3D" support is a deal breaker. I looked through my media, 4k blu rays, I don't see any with Auro 3D soundtracks? Besides... I don't know that my 5.1.4 setup would work in Auro anyway... I say "MEH"!!

[@MrSteveCasper]

Have you tried playing youtube videos from a PC via the HDMI connections on the RZ50? I'm having to send mine back because the videos start then 4 seconds later the sound kicks in. If I pause then restart the video I get the same delay before the sound starts. Curious if this is a widespread issue or if I just got a bad one. If everybody else is having the same issue I'll give up on ordering another one from a different source.

[@127Frames]

I understand sponsorships, but wow this played like a Crutchfield ad!

[@ealanosborne]

Before you know it, you’ll subconsciously be searching on Crutchfield’s website and wonder, “How the heck did I get here?” Gotcha! 😂🎉

[@127Frames]

@@ealanosborne Have shopped at Crutchfield since 2014 but found the extra extra strong ad integration distasteful. Just my 2 cents.

[@emotive7]

Is using the preamp outs of a receiver like the RZ50 with separate power amps just as good as using a surround processor/preamp? It's just hard to find a surround processor with hdmi 2.1 that's affordable. I found a good deal on a Parasound 5 channel amp and am trying to find something to pair it with.

[@ealanosborne]

It’s been my experience with the IOTA AVX17 (which is a budget preamp) that having a preamp processor still has (IMO) a slight edge over AVRs. Just a bit close to the actual cinema experience.

[@kashima3626]

So much was missed in this comparison that it will be too long to mention. Those 2 models are 2 different beasts. If you don’t understand what you are talking about please go and educate yourself . Cheers

[@terrykendrick8025]

Rz 70 has better dacs

[@kinglaforest5769]

Thanks Elan you are the best

[@ealanosborne]

Thanks! 😁

[@jeremiahjohnson5205]

I'll explain how I personally use the MAIN/SUB HDMI outputs. I have both connected to the same tv. My dumb TCL tv doesn't have 4k@120Hz on the eARC HDMI port, so I use the MAIN as eARC only and all video output routed out of SUB to a 4k@120hz hdmi port on the tv. Things get pretty wonky when you do this. I had to disable CEC to make this work because I end up in a black screen loop with the avr and tv switching endlessly.

[@ealanosborne]

Whoa! Interesting! Thanks for the insight! 🙂

[@artpost6109]

Ealan like the channel, but could you spend some time on the HDMI motherboard problem that still plaques the receivers being sold still today! Pioneer and Onkyo tech services, seem to totally disregard the problems still exist. no handshake, drop-outs, no pass thru in standby, can not get the system setup screens. Overall just poor quality and a fair amount of consumers not happy, thanks in advance!

[@redpete89]

It’s even cheaper now and I love mine

[@texasbuzzard4970]

9:03 I had to watch 5 times over because I was so flabbergasted you skipped over the weights!!! After reading us a million specs that were all exactly the same you skipped over the weight! 🤯48.5 vs 30.9 lbs!! Huge difference bro. Power supply and amps must be substantially better on the 70. Would love to see all channels driven numbers on both units. $57.73 per pound on the 70 and 51.77 per pound for the 50. Pretty similar But as always bro excellent content. Your conclusions are undeniable, the 50 is a great deal and it wins the battle. I actually loled at the “Aw shucks” part

[@ashleythomas5553]

I just got mine for 1020 😩i never paid for something so fast lol

[@ealanosborne]

Congrats! :)

[@luispagan4758]

Right now The RZ70 is $1,999.00 and the RZ50 is $999.00

[@ealanosborne]

Such great deals!

[@tigerbalm666]

How dare you call me impotent!

[@samhalsey5051]

It’s more watts

[@bootneylee9802]

Why on earth would anyone pay more than twice the price for the RZ70 for literally nothing?😂

[@michaelwyckoff7593]

Yo Ealan😊

[@Lowkey_nxthxn]

I really want the RZ70 I'm glad I didn't buy the RZ50 I'm more so hyped up for auro 3d but the price 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@GBAL42022]

TX-RZ 90 wil be out next year !!

[@Eki274]

Ok przeglądasz co posiadają amplitunery mam rz1100 to był flagowiec jak rz3100 te same amplitunery 9.2 vs 11.2.Zakupilem rz70 w niemczech za 2200€ 2000euro.Bo u nas w bogatej polsce rz50 nie jak u was za nawet 999dolcow tylko 1800dolarow dołożyłem 400dolarow do rz70.Dzwiek jest niesamowity.Rz1100 jednak poległ.Ważne jest o ile rz70 jest lepszy dźwiękowo od rz50 bo raczej wejść wystarczy.2konsole.A do słuchania muzyki raczej są Wzmacniacze stereo.

[@jctai100]

6:57 if u wanna skip the rambling internet tutorial and get to the point

[@ealanosborne]

😂😂

[@evildrgo]

can’t deal with your audio echo and background music.

[@ealanosborne]

😂😂😂

[@marinflorentin8052]

Since yesterday, 29.10.2024 new firmware update for rz50 with the new feature dirac bas control

[@ealanosborne]

Oh hell yeah! Thanks for the heads up!